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he falsely claimed that mexico was sending drugs and rapists and this type of rhetoric moved from the fringe right to the mainstream talk points with the so-called

invasion of the sojourner border and now with trump vying for another bid at the white house, this rhetoric has only gotten worse in recent months as he promised the largest deportation and to scare voters is the spread of the rhetoric, but the data shows us something different. it shows that trump's claims against the migrants are baseless including with the comments of the should crime wave. the nbc news review of crime data in blue cities where migrants are bussed and flown with texas governor abbott shows crime dropping, in fact, immigrant crime research over the past 20 years have shown that immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born americans, but despite the facts, anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric is foundation and fear mongering for many of the policies like in arizona where a bill passed up the statehouse

that allows citizens to shoot and kill anyone trespassing on their land is being pondered now. a phoenix democrat said the bill would allow, quote, open season on migrants, but tribalism is part of the fabric and anti-and in the state of the union, presidential debate used the word illegal when describing an undocumented man that killed a georgia student, lincoln riley. no human being is illegal. biden has received pushback from some fellow democrats and migrant advocates. yesterday, biden attempted to rectify this by apologizing for using that word to describe an undocumented immigrant with a exclusive with jonathan

capehart. why does this matter, it's a word, who cares. this language matters and the words we use to describe each other matter and just like trump, biden realizes that our border words can reshape our world and have consequences. this is ana garcia, from the power campaign and a veteran campaign manager and former white house senior advisor. thank you so much, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> i appreciate you joining me with this uplifting topic. let's start with this idea that donald trump is using the very same rhetoric that he was using during 2015, during 2016, but it's been eight years since then. how effect is that today? >> well, what i think what we're seeing is that over and over again for nearly a decade now, he has been spreading this racist garbage of a message, and it's starting to have an impact

on the american public. voters do perceive immigration to be a to be issue, but as you've mentioned, this has been studied by many people over many years at many institutions and every single time, it shows that crime rates in undocumented populations are lower italian crime rates in native born populations, so what is this truly about? this is about donald trying to soften the ground for his rise as an authoritarian leader. when he sits on the interview with shawn handy and says from day one, i'm going to be a dictator. he's talking about immigration, because he thinks he's won the argument to use the military to round people up, but we were going to be foolish if we think he would stop on day one and foolish to think if he would stop at immigration, so that's why it's so critically important the democrats actually get on this game in the issue and present an alternative vision

that is inclusive of the people that need a pathway to citizenship. you can't just meet him where he is on this issue, because it's a cycle of lies. >> right, you mention the democrats, so what can democrats take into consideration that this situation the migrant crime wave has been powerful and this conversation over immigration is dominated by fox news and the g.o.p. what can democrats effectively do to counter that? >> well, one thing is we need to remember who donald trump was as president. this is a man that rescinded daca to try to take down dreamers with their stability in their life with work authorization and deport them. this is a man that took children out of the arms of their mothers. this is a man who tried to pass policies to send us back to the racial quota laws of the 1920s. one democrats the democrats have is four years of immigration

policy that was remarkably unpopular by donald trump. he lost in the 2018 election pushing on immigration. he lost in 2020, and so that's why it's important that democrats don't just meet him where he's at on this issue. they need to walk the american public away from the fear of the brown bogeyman and into a policy vision for the future inclusive of hope and in states like nevada and arizona, as well. >> so i have to ask you, because, you know, we started the show by underlying this idea that language matters. what were your initial thoughts when donald trump said illegal since he has rectified. what do you make of that? >> well, it was hurtful, and i think there are a lot of people who want to make sure that the american process is one and that

center lip is one that believes they should be a part of the process, and when we use language like that, you erode a sense of belonging, so i know for me and my peers, we were rooting for the president. he was crushing it. the group chats were all flames, but then when that happened, it was like, oh, no, how did this happen, because it was hurtful. i have the privilege of being a united states citizen, but i have? friends undocumented who felt the president was not speaking to them at /t -- and he understands that was a mistake, and hopefully we won't experience that again. >> alita garcia, thank you for joining us. >> winning the primary race for 34th congressional district that sits on the rio grande valley

center the u.s./mexico border and becoming the first latina to represent congress before losing the election to vicente gonzalez. they are set for a rematch who years later and joining me now is mayra flores, thank you for being with me tonight. >> no, thank you. >> so you recently just won your republican primary wondering over 80% of the vote, but i'm thinking about the viewers that are listening to you tonight, right, and i think one of the things that many are still sort of wrestling is this idea of, you know, how can a mexican-born people, the daughter of immigrants a young latina from a border state back up a party whose leader says immigrants poison the blood of our country. what would you tell our viewers? >> do you believe that only people star far left, only democrats should come to this country. >> you don't believe that

conservatives should come to this country, as well? because i was raised with conservative values, the values i fight for are values that were instilled by my parents and grandparents, and just because i came here to the united states, it doesn't mean i should forget the values. those values are for important than any political party, and in my opinion, it's the biden administration values that are poisoning our culture, because he does not represent our values of god, of family, of hard work. that is just who we are in south texas, and i know the majority of the hispanic community are strong in faith, in family values ask also very hard working. >> you make an important point, which is the idea, yes, there is a large segment of latinos that are conservative, that do believe in the principals that you're espousing in your campaign. it's relating to the idea approximating yourself as a latina, as a hispanic to trump precisely because of the language he uses, precisely he

refers to undocumented immigrants as poisonous, people carrying diseases, mentally ill people. so my question to you is do you condemn that kind of anti-immigrant rhetoric? >> i condemn the biden administration and what he has done to our community. he has hurt our community tremendously here in south texas. it's because of him the majority of the american people are hurting tremendously living paycheck to paycheck. the majority of americans are making serious sacrifices. they're not able to spend family time with their children -- why? because they have to work, and we feel all we do is work and work and work. we're not able to enjoy life, why? because everything is so expensive. we're not able to take that family vacation. that is our top priority right now, securing the border, strengthening the economy, that's what's hurting our community more than anything. >> but i'm asking about the language that donald trump uses, and i'll ask you one more time? >> and i'm talking about the

actions. i'm talking about the actions. >> you want to represent a district where 90% are latino, with mixed families in the rio grande valley and at least one person is undocumented, so i'm asking you one more time, do you condemn that type of really dangerous anti-immigrant rhetoric where people in your district are being called poisonous and terrorists? >> no, nobody is being called that, so don't mix up the words. >> donald trump hasn't said that? >> absolutely. nobody has called them that. you're making up words. you're making up words. are you saying the people in south texas are undocumented? are you saying the people of south texas undocumented? we are americans. we stand for god, family ask hard work, and that is who we are in south texas. it's not about words.

>> those are words that donald trump has used. you mention the border, so let's talk about the borders, obviously, the border is extremely important in your district, it's extremely an important issue -- very important. >> president biden has pout this endorse biden the national council and endorsed by? senate republicans, it's a bill that even amnesty international called the post extreme anti-immigrant proposal this country has seen in 100 years. why don't you support the bill? >> it still allows over 5,000 people to cross illegally into this country, and it's sending billions of dollars to ukraine. that is not border security. there is nothing compassionate about illegal immigration. do you know what happens to these women and children that i've personally spoken to them?

i've spoken to women who have multiple times raped and abused on this dangerous journey. i have seen children that were abused, as well, on this dangerous journey. we need to stop encouraging illegal immigration, which is also funding the cartel at the southern border, which is also hurting people in mexico. millions of mexican-americans cannot go to mexico or don't go as often because they're afraid. stay can't visit their loved ones. illegal immigration is funding the mexican cartel. we need to stop illegal immigration but instead focus on legal immigration. no one is talking about the millions of people waiting in line right now. what about them? what about the people waiting five, 10, 15 years that the biden administration promised to do something about? we need to focus on illegal immigration and helping those people that are following the law. these people should not be a top priority. the top priority should be the american people, the people that voted for them to be in that position that they're in, that's

who we're supposed to be putting first. >> to be clear, the national border counsel council, represent 18,000 agents, they say the bill put forward to a bill, they said it will drop illegal border crossings nationwide and allow our agents get back to detecting and apprehending those that want to cross our border legally. so again, in this conversation -- >> the border patrol agents are desperate right now. >> those are in fact words coming from the border patrol agent? >> i'm a border patrol wife. i understand. >> mayra flores, thank you for joining us. >> god pless you. >> thank you. >> after the break, we'll hear from a latino candidate running in the district right along the rio grande valley. g th rio grande valley. oticed symptoms, which kept coming and going, i should have gone to the doctor.

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the election trends specifically when it comes to immigration and abortion and latinos swing in the far right or far left within that political spectrum. back in november 2022, the state's 15th congressional district side-outs monica cruz and michelle vallejo had a platform based on progress policy and in the last segment, we spoke with mayra flores running in the 42nd congressional district and the 14th and the 15th, those sit on the rio grande valley where the debate over the border security and immigration has ramped up in the recent month. as a reporter put in "texas

molly" said, the dualling -- and congressional democratic candidate michelle vallejo joins me now. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> i want to start with your reactions to the conversation i just had with republican congressional candidate mayra flores. i don't know if you were able to listen, but if you were, what was your reaction? >> so i'm a small business owner, a daughter of immigrants fighting for the hard working families. i'm in this fight to make sure we get access to quality healthcare, to make sure that women have the right to choose when it comes to their own choice asks reproductive care, also making sure we get good-paying jobs and the a good education for our children and families here in south texas ask what i heard is more excuse and more blaming of folks instead of taking responsibility for the results and the solutions that our families in south texas very

much need, so i know that i am bringing that voice, especially in this fight and representing south texas already as the democratic nominee of the only swing state that we could flip from red to blue, which is texas 15, and for me also this fight is about honoring my mother's legacy, so my mom lived with multiple sclerosis for 15 years since i was very, very young, and often times, we had to travel as a family outside of south texas into mexico to get the care that she desperately needed, so i know that our families are experiencing things that are very, very challenging, and the fight for access to healthcare and the fight for abortion care, as well, is a fight i'm hearing from all our voters and all community members no matter the background, no matter if they're democratic or republican, but this is what our families are really thinking about right now here in south texas. >> michelle, i think it's also undeniable to acknowledge,

right, that people like mayra flores are emerging and monique cruz, who you're facing a rematch, someone who is a maga trump republican, someone that won her race based on an anti-immigrant campaign, those types of profiles are also very much present where you are now, so what do you think voters saw in someone like monique cruz in 102? >> so unfortunately what happens in elections when people don't have access to the ballot box, which a lot of people in texas have to overcome, we see far extreme politicians come into office, and might opponent, monica dela cruz very much represents that far right extremism. one point, for example s this fight for women's reproductive freedoms, our right to body autonomy, the right to make our own healthcare decisions ourselves with our doctors,

we'll have to highlight that texas is the battleground, for example, just what happened to the mom of two in dallas, kate cox, begging for a chance for her family facing a dangerous pregnancy, she was forwarded to leave texas to get the abortion and it was extremism ises like monica dela cruz doing this. that's what we get, that's what we get when people don't have access to the ballot box and that is what my fight for texas and congress is, engaging our community members, it's been connecting with people who have been ignored in texas and the latino community and i'm excited, and we haven't stopped working every single day. >> there seems to be this myth

that latinas in south texas are conservative, right, that they don't want to hear the word aborto or anything do with that, but how do you rereproductive just know justice and abortion playing in your race? >> i myself, the first conversation i had before jumping and putting my name is a conversation in my own home. people were uncomfortable to talk about even healthcare, but what we really came to agree with is the fact that women and doctors should be the only ones making their healthcare decisions, and this is something that we are fighting for, and i do want to say and i want to invite everybody to our fight. i want to invite everybody to find me online, i am michelle for texas, so this is a fight not only for texas but our entire country. >> thank you for joining us.

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tim, now that lara trump is cochairing the rnc, what do you see next for the trump, don, jr. with a job at the white house or the doj, what do you think? >> aaron is looking pretty tall so they'll find a spot for him somewhere. i have to do a quick fact check before we get do the trump family. lara brings that up. on tuesday, mark harris, the republicans nominated somebody for congress whose campaign was caught doing voter fraud in the past, and that's why he ended up losing, so, again, it's not as if the government is out there searching for voter fraud. they have, and they've caught, often times, they tend to be republicans in certain cases that are guilty of this. what she is doing is demagoguing about nonsense, and we all know

the voter fraud was false and made up, but she's going to keep saying, this because that's what keeps her father-in-law happy. i used to work with the rnc and it's preposterous to think you have a family member as a spy as a cochair ensuring that everyone is loyal, that money can go into their legal coffers, and the whole thing as a very small democratic feel and feels like an authoritarian country where you're installing family members into key positions. >> right, you say that, it does feel like this authoritarian move where you're installing these family members, so what do you think is going through the minds of the donald trump republicans this year, what's in it for them? >> well, a lot of them are cultists, too, and a lot of the people that would have been upset about this have sort of, you know, stepped off stage on

their own, and you saw this in the recent congress like mike gal year in congress and rogers, some from the pre-trump party ask relatively normal and a lot are saying it's not worth the trouble so the people opting to run are happy for the rnc to be in service to donald trump because they're totally in service to donald trump. among the strategists, there should be concerns, and there should be concerns. president biden's campaign launched a big ad campaign this weekend, you know, eight figure ad campaign. the trump campaign doesn't have that money because a lot of the resources are being diverted to the legal side of things. i think there are legitimate concerns that the remaining republican strategists not enthralled to trump have a move in this. >> how are you playing out this idea that the rnc doesn't have this money and the money they

have is reverted to the sort of lofty legal bills? if you're a republican voter and aware of that, what type of impact does that have? >> you would think it would have a bigger impact at this point, paula. it's pretty disappointing and reporting on the types of regular joe republican voters that have really got scammed by this, you know, and got scammed by donations they thought was going to one thing ends up going to donald trump's legal bills. so i think there can be some backlash, but at this point, we're so deep into this that a lot of the people that would have spoken out over it are no longer playing key roles or in prominent positions, and the folks that are still there have learned to be quiet and that, again, is the echo of what happens in authoritarian countries where people are scared to criticize the head man, and that's what you'll be seeing here, unfortunately, for those republicans. >> tim miller, thank you so much, again, for sticking with

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. easy to were displaced children in gaza protesting earlier today along the eygpt/ghast word demand an immediate end to the israel-hamas war ahead of ramadan tomorrow. yes, children marching in the streets calling on the world for help. according to defense of children, more than 12,000 kids have been killed since october 7th and five months later, they're not only killed by the bombs but by starvation and disease. they report that at least 16 children have died as a result of malnutrition and dehydration and among the thousands of children who have survived, many are now orphans. take four-year-old omar abu kuwaik, whose mother and sister were killed in an airstrike, and he luckily is coming to the united states to receive treatment thanks to the effort of family and strangers.

and at least 17,000 people are unaccompanied on the gaza strip and being called the most dangerous place to be a child. this is the president and ceo of save the in u.s. thank you for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, paula. >> i want to start by playing you a quick sound bite of just one of the tens of thousands of children in gaza right now. take a listen. [ speaking a global language ] . >> this is just a child who wants to live a normal life, who wants to be like any other child around the world. we know that the situation worsens by the day, by the hour

in gaza, but what's your staff telling you on the ground right now? >> exactly that, paula. it's an absolute catastrophe, and i said many months ago it can't get any worse, and clearly, it's gotten much, much worse. we've seen less aid even then when i was in january in the rafah crossing. we have seen many more children die. we are now seeing the first reports of children dying from starvation, which we argued and warned against, again, many months ago when we saw the absolute inadequacy of supplies coming in. >> i know you just mentioned you were in the rafah crossing and you then observed how difficult it was to access such important resources, and i also know that you have said that the u.s. air drops of aid are theatrics. you've called them ineffective? >> that's right. >> explain that to us.

>> look, it's a great photo opportunity, parachutes with pallets dropping down. it's incredibly expensive to do it that way and nearly impossible to exactly target who gets that aid and how they distribute it afterwards, where it lands even, are the most vulnerable people going to get it in this way? is it even going to be adequate? is it going to be damaged when it lands? it's one of the worst ways to drop aid. we applaud everybody is thinking creatively, but we don't have to be that creative in order to get for aid into gaza. we need to open more crossings, more trucks need to be let in. the process needs to be simplified and then we can get more aid into gaza. there's hundreds of trucks waiting in eygpt. we can get in through jordan, so it is, as i said, a photo

opportunity. we think it's ineffective, inefficient and a distraction for aid to get in. >> it's also important for us to point out that children have been bearing the brunt of israel's assault in gaza for decades, right, the escalation of violence is horrific, but this isn't necessarily new. right, older children in gaza have lived through six wars since 2008 and 500,000 children have been notified as needing mental health or some sort of psychological support before october 7th, right, so my question to you is understanding that reality, understanding these staggering numbers, where do organizations like yourself begin to think about the different types of needs to address the situation? >> yeah, in every crisis, we see similar things happening, right, to children, particularly conflicts. so that's what we plan for.

we plan for immediate life-saving support from water and food and shelter, malnutrition treatment, now particularly relevant in gaza today. healthcare integration and pediatric, and healthcare prevention especially because we'll see so many children affected by bombing and the blasts, so that is the life-saving response we are trying today however inadequate it is. and as the months go on, and that is we assume there is an end to the violence and stuff can get in more, then, of course, we would love to start going back to forms of education, mental health and social support, counselling process and as we do in other conflicts. >> you said you assume there may be an end to the violence. i know aid to children has

called for a definitive cease-fire to gaza, but what is your message to the biden administration and those yet to call for a permanent cease-fire. what would you tell them? >> we've been telling your government for many months now that what the government has been doing, good intentions aside, that the results are just not there. too many children, too many civilians have lost their lives, getting more vulnerable by the day, by the hour. use more leverage for them. speak out more forwards fully /tpoárs fully forcefully so other life-saving organizations can do their job. >> thank you for joining us and for everything you're doing. i really appreciate it.

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to a whopping 14% with the average american living 86 mills from a provider. a new piece from marie-claire, executive director andrea stanley detailed the journey many are accessing to get the care and taking to the skies. stanley once on board with elevated access, a network of over 1,000 volunteer pilots flying people across the country to reach the basic services they need. as one of the pilots put it, quote, access to women's healthcare is going to require an overground railroad and that's what general aviation affords us. no one can touch us up there. andrea stanley joins me now. thank you so much and thank you for writing such a beautiful and incredible piece, it really was a joy to read it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> of course, talk to us about how the fall of roe created this

need for elevated rides? >> post jobs, what we saw surprisingly was an increase in restricting access for people to get the reproductive care that they need according to a white house briefing in january, that number is roughly at 27 million people, which means one out of every three women of reproductive age are now living in a state with an abortion ban, so what that means is that people have to travel to get the reproductive healthcare they need, and that's not easy to do, some have to travel a state away or two states away or as far as a thousand miles, and this creates a big issue to have access to the clinics. there are many, many hurdles that women have to cross to kind of get the healthcare that they

need, and sometimes this means, you know, finding child care, finding reliable transportation, and it's not always easy to do, so elevated access was created so people did not have to get in a car ask travel a thousand miles, take days out of their schedule to get the healthcare that they need. it can now with done in hours, and it can be done in a very discreet and private way. >> you know, one of the things you write about, andrea, is of course, the way some of the women are feeling scared and nervous before they sort of get into the planes, but you also write about the way that the pilots are texting them, calling them to make them feel better. they're telling them how proud they are to be flying them. you also share the story of one woman who after she did the elevated access flight, she gets out of the plane, right, and she says i feel like beyonce. that's of course, likely due to the way that these pilots are injecting just basic humanity

and dignity into these conversations, i'm assuming, so while you were observing all of this, how important was that level of compassion, the pilots have to have with the women? >> yeah, absolutely. so what we know with this legislation that is making women feel very ashamed, feel very embarrassed about the need to access healthcare, and it flattens them into not a whole person, and so the pilots that i met really went out of their way to make these women feel heard and appreciated and whole, and i will not say the quote as beautiful and as eloquent as the pilot, robin, i spoke to in the piece, so you have to read it, but she essentially calls up her passenger before she takes them and lets them know, i'm really

proud to fly you. i'm happy to take you to get the healthcare that you need, and i think that's really powerful, and we know that the physical side of this is very tough, but there's a mental side of this, too, and i think the pilots do an amazing job at making these people feel whole and appreciated in their quest to get just very basic healthcare. >> are the pilots and the network itself fearing any type of potential legal repercussions, right, i'm thinking of the should abortion trafficking laws, which of course you're aware of, the idea that just not people that are seeking the services are being targeted but also those that are helping them, particularly those that are trying to help them cross state lines, so what conversations are they having in the face of these potential policies? >> yeah, absolutely. so these laws are unfortunate, but a lot of the legal and

policy experts that i spoke to for this piece definitely question how enforceable some of these laws could be, and i think anybody who works in the abortion space and is committed to this kind of work is used to, unfortunately, the risk that comes along with it. the pilots that i spoke to were very much undeterred. they want to do more of this kind of work. they're very committed to this, and so that was the -- i imagine that they will continue although the laws are very unfortunate what we're seeing. >> that is what history has shown us in the face of these barriers, there's always a way around. and disagreeia, thank you for all of your reporting from the skies. really appreciate it. >> thank you very much for having me. i appreciate it. >> thank you at home for

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