pushing for a lower rate. that has the effect of painting a rosier picture today. it goes to show in the prep of this, rates were all over the place. the economy is doing weird things. markets are trying to churn things out where we're at with inflation. there was a lot of debate head heading into this one. >> the biden administration will continue to point to strong fundamentals of this economy and some polling that suggests americans starting to feel better. now, the trick s will they give the president credit? >> yeah. >> josh wingrove, come back soon. thank you for being with us. thanks for getting up "way too early" with us on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. mr. president, enough is enough. the free world deserves better. and it doesn't have to be this way. we all feel it.

we hear you. and we stand with you. we are steeped in the -- >> good evening, america. i'm katie britt, and i have the honor of serving the great people of alabama. but tonight, i'll be auditioning for the part of scary mom. and i'll be performing an original monologue called, "this country is hell." you see, i'm not just a senator. i'm a wife, a mother, and the craziest [ bleep ] in the target parking lot. first and foremost, i'm a mom. and like any mom, i'm going to do a pivot out of nowhere into a shockingly violent story about sex trafficking. and rest assured, every detail about it is real, except the year, where it took place, and

who was president when it happened. and tonight, i am not just responding to the state of the union, i am also selling these bejewelled cross necklaces. kitchens are where families have the hard conversations, like the one we'll have tomorrow about how mommy freaked out the entire country. to the american people who are struggling right now, know this, we hear you. we see you. we smell you. we're inside your kitchen right now looking through your fridge. and what's that on the top shelf? migrants. i think that analogy went well. >> wow. good morning and welcome to

"morning joe." it is monday, march 11th. i don't know which katie britt was more like katie britt, but that was incredible. with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, and msnbc contributor and the author of "how the right lost its mind," charlie sykes. boy, do we need charlie. first, can we talk about the 96th annual oscars? they were held in hollywood. "oppenheimer" came into the night with 13 nominations and ended up with the most wins, including best picture. best actor for cillian murphy. supporting actor for robert downey jr. emma stone won best actress.

the oscars also featured show-stopping performances from singer billie eilish and actor ryan gosling. both performing songs from the "barbie" soundtrack. at the end of the night, jimmy kimmel took a minute to read former president trump's reaction to his hosting. >> i just got a review, and -- has there ever been a worst host than jimmy kimmel at the oscars? he was trying too hard to be something he is not and never can be. get rid of kimmel and perhaps replace him with another washed up by cheap abc talent. see if you can guess which former president just posted that on truth social. anyone? no? thank you, president trump. thank you for watching. i'm surprised you're still -- isn't it past your jail time?

>> oh, my. >> here we go. >> that's the thing, he just doesn't -- i guess he doesn't understand. he just keeps walking into traps. he keeps -- again, it's like an old fighter that's past his prime. the things that may have worked, that may have been disruptive six, you know, 2016, everybody knows that's coming. he's the butt of the joke for millions of people last night. >> two things can be true. while he keeps losing and having problems along the way, especially legal problems, he's developing a whole, new bench, a new generation of young, i would say, republicans, but i think -- >> trumpers. >> -- it's safer to call them trumpers. >> yeah. >> who lie like he does. they don't care. >> and who will lose. >> like katie britt. >> we'll get to that in a minute. >> yeah. >> but they'll lose, too. this is the pathway to loserdom.

we've been seeing that over the weekend. you've been sewing the reaction to biden's state of the union address. you've been seeing really stupid reactions from people who said he was going to be asleep. now, it's like, he's too jacked up. oh, like, that's all certain networks had. >> which do you want? >> exactly. >> want him to be -- okay. >> yeah. nearly 33 million people watched, and they can decide, president biden's state of the union address on broadcast or cable television thursday night. a marked increase from the year before. in the wake of the president's well-received speech, the biden campaign hit record fundraising numbers. in the 24 hours after biden's remarks, his re-election campaign raked in $10 million. that is the largest 24-hour haul the campaign and its affiliated committees have seen so far. this weekend, the president kicked off his post state of the union campaign tour with a stop

in philadelphia on friday followed by a rally in georgia on saturday. his campaign also released a new political ad that leaned into the president's age. take a look. >> look, i'm not a young guy. that's no secret. but here's the deal, i understand how to get things done for the american people. i led the country through the covid crisis. today, we have the strongest economy in the world. i passed the law that lowered prescription drug prices, caps insulin $35 a month for seniors. four years, donald trump tried to pass an infrastructure law, and he failed. i got it done. now, we're rebuilding america. i passed the biggest law in history to combat climate change because our future depends on it. donald trump look away the freedom of women to choose. i'm determined to make roe v. wade the law of the land again. donald trump believes the job of the president is to take their after donald trump. i believe the job of the

president is to fight for you, the american people, and that's what i'm doing. i'm joe biden. i approve this message. >> can we do one more take? >> look, i'm very young, energetic, and handsome. what am i doing this for? >> all right. that ad, of course, will be running in critical swing states like president and georgia. charlie, you look, and we've been talking about our former party, about the excesses of the former party. i really, again, have talked about all the state of the unions i've been in, political campaigns i followed or been through. i've just never seen a contrast this striking. it's almost like seven, eight years of corruption and extremism and lying caught up to republicans all in one night. so visualized in one night. it seems now, biden has the wind behind him.

>> yeah, oddly a biden skeptic, but that was very, very good. the mood and narrative have changed in the last week. a week ago, you and i were sitting here discussing the freakout of the democrats, about joe biden. think about where we're at. just a reminder how fast things move in politics. so you had a good few days for joe biden, including that ad and some of the interviews he's given. also, the trump vp audition not going that well. to mika's point about the republican bench, we're kind of seeing where this party is going this next generation. as they try to channel their inner donald trump, it has really not gone well, has it? >> no, it really hasn't. you know, we were -- mika and i were talking, i had told her i met katie britt down at the s.e.c. championship game. really liked her a lot. met her family. down to earth.

i said, you know, didn't seem to be trumpy. seemed to be like a traditional republican, which made a lot of sense. she worked for richard shelby. just had a great five, ten-minute talk with her. then, you know, it was a lot like elise stefanik, who we had a great talk with when elise first came into congress. i said, oh, my gosh, the future of the republican party is strong. >> yeah. >> again, she's reasonable. the antithesis of donald trump. >> young, smart. >> boy, somebody that the party can get around in the long run. but, jonathan lemire -- >> heartbreaker. >> yeah, man, both of 'em. we'll see what happens with katie britt. unfortunately, she doubled down this weekend on the story that was a lie. i hated to see that. i was hoping she'd come out and say, hey, you know what? i'm new to this. didn't do as well as i could do.

you know, sorry about the story. it happens. she could have moved past it, but i guess she's going to double down. but, on the biden side, man, they've got to be -- they have got to be so excited. the speech, not only did he prevail, he humiliating all of his critics. >> for all the world to see. >> raised tons of money. over 30 million people watching that. now, joking about his age, which is exactly what people have been telling him to do for some time. he does it well. >> yeah, first on britt, the story you mentioned, she told us the terrible story about a sexual assault involving a migrant. she suggested it happened during president biden's term. it happened over 20 years ago when george bush was president and also happened in mexico. she doubled down on it in a fox news interview over the weekend. we should give credit to

scarlett johansson, who savaged her on "saturday night live." watch this, joe-mentum. the best fundraising event came after that speech. then he hit the road, in georgia over the weekend. new hampshire today. michigan and wisconsin later this week. he's ramping up the travel here. the campaign fully engaged now. they do, i can't tell you the number of democrats i've spoken to in the last three days or so who feel much better about things. they also point to polls that show biden getting a bump in the last week or two. some coming before the state of the union. i expect the numbers to go up in the days ahead. they have so much more money on hand than trump does. trump using his cash for his legal bills. they feel good about the contrast. they feel good about the story they can tell, where they are versus where trump is. that ad is the latest. it won't be the last. it is the latest to take on the age thing head on. they know it's an issue. they know they can diffuse it.

they think it is a problem for trump, too. speaking of contrasts, you had joe biden after his incredible state of the union address talking about his accomplishments and all the positive things he was able to get done in the wake of the trump presidency. coming into the white house literally barricaded after january 6th, and being able to move forward, persevere, and pass countless legislation, even bipartisan legislation that's improved the economy. this is a fact. >> again, about the american people. >> exactly. so you have all those messages resonating after the speech as he goes out on the campaign trail. meanwhile, donald trump is at mar-a-lago hosting hungary's autocratic prime minister viktor orban. quote, to discuss a wide range of issues affecting hungary and the united states. orban, who has close ties to russian president vladimir

putin, has refused to provide any aid to ukraine while seeking to turn his own country into an illiberal state. trump has repeatedly bragged about having orban's endorsements for his 2024 campaign. at a dinner friday, he fawned over the hungarian leader. >> there is nobody that's better, smarter, or a better leader than viktor orban. he's fantastic. [ applause ] as you know, the prime minister of hungary. does a great job. he is a non-controversial figure. he says, "this is the way it's going to be," and that's the end of it, right? he's the boss. he's a great leader. >> wow. >> katty, again, i've been warning that he keeps bringing up viktor orban for a reason. >> brutal. >> viktor orban who brags about getting rid of western style democracy, who brags about being an illiberal state, who has

arrested and jailed competing politicians, members of the press, driven them out of the country, has actually bugged the phones of rival politicians and journalists. you name it, he's done it. this is who donald trump admires. he says, he's non-controversial because he says what he wants, and he gets it done. he's the boss. trump, of course, said that in the most admiring of ways. that's what america looks like under donald trump's second term if we take them at his own words, right? >> yeah. i thought that line about, "he's not controversial because he says what he wants and gets it done. he's the boss," was so reflective. projection, confession. you know, that was confession of what donald trump would like. viktor orban is proud of the fact he's made hungary what he calls an illiberal democracy. oo im not sure whether those two things can be possible together. how do you have a democracy that

is illiberal? that goes against the strain of democracy. anyway, that's what he's done by packing the courts with his cronies, weighing in on judicial cases, by making it incredibly difficult for journalists to do any kind of independent reporting. they are told by their editors what facts they can report before they actually are allowed to write their articles. that's the kind of state that donald trump down there in mar-a-lago in that speech seems to be admiring. it is also the state, you know, tucker carlson went to viktor orban to kind of pay homage to his leadership. there is a strain there in the maga movement that clearly admires those illiberal democracies, autocratic-leaning countries. it's tied up with russia. the eu had to lean very heavily on viktor orban, basically threatening him with other punishments if he didn't go ahead and agree to an eu package of aid to ukraine, because he didn't want to. he didn't want to get in the way

of something with vladimir putin. it's a circular movement to what donald trump is doing in mar-a-lago, tucker carlson's visit to moscow and victor orr pan, and orban's relationship with vladimir putin. >> well, you have in donald trump a guy who said he's going to terminate the constitution. he's going to be a dictator on day one. he would like to execute generals for not being lackeys, for treason. said he could use s.e.a.l. team six to execute his political opponents and not be arrested. and you go through all of this long list. >> you go through his presidency and things he said and did in his presidency. you don't just have what he is saying. you have now a record. >> well, and even in his presidency, the last two weeks, he said he wanted to -- he was demanding that his attorney general arrest joe biden and joe biden's family because he was

behind in the polls. said he should send him to jail. you have all this happening. we talked about the young republicans who, unfortunately, have had their bearings, like, twisted by this. to become unrecognizable. and you look at -- i saw vaughn hillyard interviewing people at trump rallies, talking about civil war, saying that if they didn't win this time, they were going to use violence. they were going to take over state legislatures. they were going to take over courts. they were going to come to washington. they were going to take over washington. charlie sykes, this is not a test run. this is a guy that's told his followers, "if i win, i'm going to be a dictator," and his followers are all in. again, charlie, how perverse, that it is people i went to church with, evangelicals, a lot of them that seem to be swept up into this totalitarianism, this

authoritarianism, and also small government republicans, tea party types that wanted small government. they're now begging for an autocrat, for a tyrant, for a dictator. >> all of this is happening in broad daylight, real time. there's no secret about it. as katty mentioned, he is leaning into his embrace of illiberal authoritarianism. speaking of the younger republicans on the bench, people like nancy mace now who are forced to go out and justify the fact that this illiberal authoritarian who is talking about civil war is also been found liable for rape. you begin to put together this picture, what republicans are embraing right now, what they are endorsing, and what donald trump is bringing into this campaign. because donald trump is not going to get better.

i think throughout 2024, what you're going to see is his inability to restrain. he's up there on stage at mar-a-lago talking about, you know, he's not controversial because he's the boss. he says something, and it's over. this is clearly something that he admires. this is clearly something he as aspires to. it's alarming. people are saying, you're engaging in trump derangement system. >> no. >> listen to donald trump. listen to what he's saying. listen to what his supporters are saying on a daily basis. it's not a secret. >> well, he is preparing everybody for what he's going to do. when he says, you know, he talking about terminating the constitution, talking about being a dictator day one, talks about executing generals,

talking about media outlets committing treason. when he argues in court he can execute political opponents using s.e.a.l. team six and he can't get in trouble for it, when he says that in court, yeah, he's telling people what he is going to do. yet, these younger republicans just fall in line. they're going to lose. they're going to destroy their careers. yeah, you look at nancy mace. even after donald trump is found liable for sexual assault and a judge says, really, he raped e. jean carroll. >> and there are other women who accused him of rape. >> right. >> there are other deals that have been struck that, actually, the alvin bragg case, they want to bring forward to show that this is a pattern of behavior. 91 counts, okay. then a sexual assault. then fraud. i'm sorry, i want to go over his legal challenges. continue. >> i've just got to say, i was speaking specifically of nancy

mace. a judge talks about donald trump raping a woman. because she has no choice but to blindly defend donald trump, she defends a man that a judge says is a rapist. does it without apology. again, you've seen -- like, we talked about katie britt, but i could talk about marco rubio. once one of the most promising stars in the republican party, was called the future of the republican party by "time" i think it was. now just a shell of his former self politically. you look at all these people. rand paul criticizing donald trump. you know, ted cruz. we could go on and on. they just all fall in line. it's sad, and it's pathetic. they're all going to lose. it's just like, trump is going to lose again. for some reason, they can't pull out of this political death spiral. >> right. we should show the nancy mace exchange at some point.

she accuses the reporter of shaming her. >> well, when all he is doing is asking, actually, she tell the truth for once about donald trump. still ahead on "morning joe," the latest in the ongoing war between israel and hamas. what president biden is saying about his frustrations with net benjamin netanyahu. the prime minister is responding. you're watching "morning joe." we have a lot to cover today. we'll be right back. the itch and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema—fast. some rinvoq patients felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. and many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,

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minister. take a listen. >> i told him, bibi, and don't repeat this, but -- >> hot mic here. >> over the weekend, biden was asked about that comment and his relationship with netanyahu in an interview with msnbc's jonathan capehart. >> what i meant is it is an expression used in the southern part of my state, meaning a serious meaning. i've known bibi for 50 years. he knew what i meant by it. >> so what's the come to jesus part? what tough love are you going to give to the prime minister? >> what's happening is he has a right to defend israel, a right to continue to pursue hamas, but he must, he must, he must pay more attention to the innocent lives being lost as a consequence of the actions taken. he's hurting, in my view, he's hurting israel more than helping

israel by making the rest of the world -- it is contrary to what israel stands for. i think it is a big mistake. i want to see a cease-fire. >> what is your red line with prime minister netanyahu? do you have a red line? for instance, would invasion of rafah, would you have urged him not to do? >> it is a red line, but i'm never leaving israel. the defense of israel is still critical, so there is no red line i'm going to cut off all weapon so they don't have the iron dome or weapons. but you can't have 30,000 more palestinians dead as a consequence of going after this. there's other ways to deal, to get to, to deal with the trauma caused by hamas. >> meanwhile, netanyahu is rejecting the president's criticism. he told "politico" he is doing what the people of israel want.

the prime minister also vowed to defy biden's so-called red line with rafah, saying israeli troops will still move into the southern gaza city. joining us now, columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius. his latest piece is entitled, "the white house tries to steer israel back onto a two-way street." is it possible? >> yeah, at what point, david? i keep weighing for this suez moment. you know, ike stood up to the brits and said, "you can't do this anymore. this is not helping you. it's not helping the united states. it's going to cause bigger problems down the road." at what point do we reach that? because this is pretty much unsustainable diplomatically. unsustainable in the long run militarily. unsustainable politically for the israeli people. i'm not even talking about the united states.

i guess -- i guess there are a good number of people in israel that either don't know or don't care the long-term damage bibi netanyahu is doing to the country. but we can. as their chief sponsor, at some point, they've got to stop killing palestinians or we have to have the suez moment with them. >> so, joe, the hope was that by today, the beginning of ramadan, we would have a truce. we'd have a six-week pause. and we'd have a gradual de-escalation of tensions in this war, much more humanitarian aid and sort of a sigh on all sides that the war was moving into a different phase. that hasn't happened. so i think we are now very close to the kind of confrontation you describe. we have a president of the united states saying to an israeli prime minister, you're hurting your country more than you're helping it. pretty strong language.

biden has suggested that if israel goes forward with its plan to try to attack the four hamas battalions still in the city of rafah along the egyptian border, it will not have u.s. support. exactly what biden meant by a red line wasn't clear in his interview with our colleague, jonathan capehart, but it seems to suggest that the u.s. might withhold weapons or make weapons conditional. i know that's what the discussion in the white house has been. we're getting really close to the kind of break that you talked about earlier, that i want to say is unprecedented since the days of suez. it would be a huge step for an american president to take. i think the measure, joe, will be whether the israelis do, in fact, move over the next week against rafah. if they don't, that means they will have heard the message. they'll be holding back pending, i guess, the cease-fire finally

coming through and calm finally coming to the battlefield. >> again, you look at the images that continue to come out. you look at, you know, nick kristof's column yesterday. >> oh, my. >> the text messages. the images of a 10-year-old boy starving to death. this has gone on and on. we, of course, remember the horrid images of october the 7th. let me say right here, it is why hamas cannot continue. it is why hamas forefitted its right to run gaza ever again. >> well -- >> but two things can be true at one point. the second thing is, israel cannot continue moving in the direction they've been moving over the last few months. >> so that's my question for david. because when you look at the famine that is happening in gaza, you look at the life just slipping away among the palestinians by the day, and as

joe said, children starving to death, and the suffering is beyond anything we can explain, is this what the people of israel want? especially given how the israeli government has handled october 7th from the start? >> so, mika, these images are excruciating. i think any person of goodwill watching them has growing difficulty. it's wonderful that the united states has finally moved with both feet into the role of providing humanitarian assistance. the air drops are just the beginning. the significant move will be the maritime deliveries. much more assistance can go in. then the demand that israel open new crossings so trucks can roll in, and it is near famine situation now, and it can be eased.

for me, having stood at the edge of gaza city in the first month of this war when the israelis first allowed journalists to go into gaza and watched a line of palestinians as long as i could see marching south from gaza city toward what they were told was safety in rafah. the idea that the million palestinian refugees in rafah will now have to flee again because there's going to be an assault on rafah toward god knows where is just a painful thought. the images of those faces of people leaving in desperate fear, now having to leave again, too much. really, i do think this question, to go into rafah or not, is a critical one. biden made it his red line. let's see if he can make it stick. >> david, i'm struck by how many people say to me that they don't really understand what's happening in gaza. they're not seeing the images.

this is not like a famine that's happening in ethiopia where it is broadcast back into people's living rooms every evening, just because we don't have international crews and journalists there. i wish everyone could read nick kristof's piece. >> yeah. >> do you think if there was more awareness of what is happening to women, children, babies, pregnant mothers, and how little food they have, then minds would change in this country and things would move a little faster and bibi would have no choice but to move faster himself? >> i think minds are changing in the united states. all over the country, you see protests. you see effects in the primaies in michigan, other demonstrations that the images are getting through in the u.s. the question is whether they're getting through in israel. whether israelis feel, as president biden is demanding, feel a sense of responsibility for civilian casualties in gaza.

to date, there hasn't been much sign that there is that concern. that's a big change. israelis are still focused, understandably in many ways, on what happened to them october 7th. but they are responsible now for this territory. they have knocked over the government of hamas, and the people there and their suffering just feeding them every day is something israelis have to realize. they now have the principal responsibility for it. >> david, furthering your point there about how israel doesn't seem -- the population doesn't seem particularly impacted by what's happening in gaza, talk about what is the latest in netanyahu's political standing at home. here in the states, there's a lot of questions as to how long he can hold on. those in the biden administration privately suggesting they're looking at what a post-netanyahu israel could be. they also acknowledge they have no idea when that'll happen pause because benjamin netanyahu

keeps the war in place and, therefore, his power. what's your sense on how long netanyahu can last? he is a political survivor. >> he is a survivor. boy, is he making those skills obvious in this conflict. in a sense, i think netanyahu believes that if he can show that he's standing up to an american leader who is trying to push israel around, that will be popular with his countrymen. he has been extremely unpopular. poll numbers down around 20%. he has been far behind benny gantz, his principal challenger. the point i think netanyahu is trying to make to biden is, there's no difference between him and gantz on whether to assault rafah, for example. they both agree it should be done. israelis agree. they want to end the war with a win for israel. they want the hostages back, but they also want to win the war. i think the administration understands that if they push netanyahu in the wrong way,

they'll end up adding support for an otherwise very unpopular leader. there are all kinds of scenarios people discuss in washington for how elections might come, how a new government might arrive, that could work better with the united states. i do think over the course of this year, you are going to see elections and a new government. the question is, will it come before another catastrophic stage of this war or after? >> well, and, again, let's just, again, keep score here with netanyahu. mister, you know, i'm the toughest guy on hamas. this is a guy in 2018, along with trump, knew the sources of hamas' illegal funding and decided to do nothing about it and let the funding continue. this is a guy who just a couple weeks before the october 7th attacks had his people in doha, and qatar said, asked, the israeli government, netanyahu's government, "should we continue funding hamas from qatar?"

netanyahu's government, "yes, continue doing that." this is a government, netanyahu's government, that had the terrorist plans for a year beforehand. got multiple warnings. >> no, they had a whole document, 40-page document. >> right. >> explaining what would happen. >> yeah. >> i don't know, was it because it was women who came up with the document? but they were ignored. >> you take that. you take the warnings right before the attack. there were a group of hamas terrorists mobilizing by the wall. they were getting rid of their sim cards. they were obviously getting ready to attack. they did nothing. then, and then the attack. one hour. two hours go by with hamas raping women, setting them on fire, burning elderly people, shooting parents in front of children, shooting children in front of parents, doing the most

ungodly things. one hour goes by, netanyahu's government does nothing. two hours goes by, benjamin netanyahu's government does nothing. three hours goes by, netanyahu's government does nothing. four hours goes by, netanyahu's government does nothing. five, six, seven, eight, some ten hours. >> how big is israel? >> let me tell you something. on 9/11, three minutes after the first plane's attack, first responders were there. three minutes. >> within an hour from across the state. >> netanyahu's government waits six, seven, eight, ten hours? they won't explain why they waited so long while they knew this was going on. they let the killings continue. they let the rapes continue. why they didn't mobilize. they say, let's wait until after the war is over.

okay, mr. netanyahu, why did you tell qatar to keep funding hamas three weeks before hamas killed more jews than at any time since the holocaust? netanyahu said, "we'll have to wait until the war is over to talk about that." okay, well, why didn't you do anything when you knew in 2018 the sources of hamas' illicit funding, why didn't you and trump do anything in 2018 to cut it off? netanyahu says, "we'll have to wait until the war is over to talk about that." you see what happens. when the war is over, he understands he's out of a job. he actually, like trump, has to face some music in court. so the war just goes on and on and on. and the united states -- i agree with joe biden -- the united states needs to always defend israel, but we don't have to defend netanyahu.

we don't have to watch as netanyahu destroys one of our closest allies in israel. we don't have to stand by and do this. let me tell you something, we did this to britain in the suez crisis in '56, despite the fact britain was our closest ally on the globe. just a decade earlier, the both of us had won world war ii together and pushed back nazism. ike did it because he understood that britain was going down a road that would end badly for them. we have every right to do that here. we need to do that. not just to protect the united states' reputation across the globe, but i will say, in this case, more importantly, to protect israel. israel's reputation here in the united states, across the globe, with our allies, so they will

continue getting support into the future. right now, mika, they are moving in a dangerous, dangerous direction for israel. >> yeah, that's why i ask, if this is what the people of israel want in their leadership. especially the parents of hostages. "the washington post"'s david ignatius, thank you very much. coming up, republican senator katie britt of alabama responds to questions about her extremely misleading -- >> that wasn't her. >> -- response to president biden. >> that was caitlin clark. >> oh, she's amazing. >> i don't think katie britt picked up a basketball over the weekend. >> don't mix them up. anyhow, her response to president biden's state of the union address. also ahead, iowa superstar caitlin clark helps the hawkeyes make their case for a number one seed. >> that's her. >> we'll bring in espn's pablo torre as march madness approaches. plus, roger bennett joins us with highlights from manchester

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and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. i traveled to the del rio sector of texas. that's where i spoke to a woman who shared her story with me. she had been sex trafficked by the cartels starting at the age of 12. >> that was republican senator katie britt of alabama in her rebuttal address to president biden's state of the union. linking a graphic account of a young woman's sex trafficking to biden's immigration policies. >> saying she couldn't believe that this happened in the united states of america. >> but the abuse actually happened during president george w. bush's administration, clear nearly 20 years ago.

and not in america, in mexico. she was asked about that yesterday on fox news. >> did you mean to give the impression that this horrible story happened on president biden's watch? >> no, shannon. look, i very specifically said, this is what president biden did during his first 100 days. minutes after coming into office, he stopped all deportations. he halted construction of the border wall. >> to be clear, the story you relayed is not something that's happened under the biden administration, that particular person? >> i'm -- well, i very clearly said, i spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked when she was 12. >> charlie, there is nothing clear about it. the entire -- again -- >> i don't know how you walk that back. the response. >> stuff happens in politics. bad speeches are made. you know, it is always better to say, "man, i blew that one."

people will forgive you for it and will even like you better for it, for saying, boy, man, i just -- wow, was i off on that. i'm so sorry. by the way, i told a story, and i conflated some facts and issues and dates. i'm really sorry for that. i hope you understand my bigger point is that the biden administration's policies from day one have been disastrous. she could have said that. but, again, i don't know who is advising her, but to double down after that performance, the wrong thing to do. own it like biden is owning his age. >> yes. but in maga world, you can never apologize, right? >> correct. >> being a republican these days is never having to say you are sorry. that was not just misleading. i mean, that was a purposeful lie. i think we're seeing this again and again. look, we know that part of the narrative is that joe biden is

weak on the border and, as a result, we're being subject to all of this migrant crime. you have elon musk over the weekend tweeting out a bogus meme about, you know, illegal immigrants who are committing crimes, and joe biden is giving them awards. then you have katie britt coming up with this gruesome and grizzly story that has no relation whatsoever to what's happening on the border. now, somebody had to know that. somebody had to recognize that this was a problem. she goes ahead with it anyway. maybe figuring nobody would figure it out. then when confronted with it, she gives that complete non-denial denial. look, one of the obvious questions is, if, in fact, this is a terrible, terrible problem. if there are examples of migrant crime, then, you know, why do you have to make up the ones that did not occur? these are realities. this is something the biden administration is going to have to deal with. but it is interesting, would be interesting to know, who advised katie britt on the drama?

who advised her on the lies to give? it didn't do her any favors at all. >> no. >> you know, it is interesting you say that. again, that's a question of a couple of people who know her and i were talking this weekend. we were like, who advised her? >> what happened? >> again, she's a very likable person, charlie, if you talk to her one-on-one. very likable. has been very likable. no nonsense. again, worked for richard shelby. she doesn't come naturally from the maga wing. charlie, who advised her? who told her this was the right thing to do? it's crazy. >> well, i have no idea. i will say that scarlett johansson had a tougher job than you might think. how do you do a parody of what is a parody itself? you played a bit from katie britt, and it is hard to outdo

house strange that was, the overacting. again, this is -- maybe it's the curse of the state of the union response. it seems every politician who does it falls flat on their face. yeah, clearly, this wasceived f and it is funny. but the lie about the migrants, i think, is important, because this is going to be a massive theme in 2024. there will be caravans. they will try to take victims and exploit them politically. they've done in the past, and they're going to do it. so you can see that these are not just one-off gaffes. >> no. >> this is part of a narrative that they are trying to craft. she fell flat on her face, you know, on a very, very big stage here. >> well, she said the crazy thing is, you know, they have these lies before migrant carave coming up with leprosy. it never works.

2018, they lost. 2020, they lost. tried it in 2022, they lost. it's a loser because people understand they're lying. think of the point charlie just made. the situation is so horrific and unspeakably bad, they had to make up, they had to make up a story that they attached to biden instead of telling the truth about it, that it went back to george w. bush. >> the situation is so horrific that they put off an opportunity to deal with it. they killed the lankford bill that the president offered them. >> that would have closed the border. >> then got on national television and lied like a rug. >> yeah. >> charlie sykes, thank you very much. oh, we're going to do a little sports now, i guess. we're following nfl quarterback updates ahead of wednesday's start of the new league year. after a rough ride with the denver broncos, and i talked

about him a good bit over the last year, russell wilson is reportedly set to sign a one-year contract with the pittsburgh steelers. that'll be fascinating. the nine-time pro bowler and one-time super bowl champ tagged the steelers on x in a hype video for his 13th nfl season. new england, the patriots appear to be trading mac jones to jacksonville for a sixth round pick. jacksonville, trust me, they got a great deal there. tampa bay, the buccaneers are bringing back baker mayfield on a reported three-year deal worth $100 million. baker is like cher and cockroaches. they'll survive nuclear blasts. add baker mayfield to the list. let's bring in pablo torre from

"pablo torre finds out." i've said from the beginning that russell wilson was treated like dirt in denver. i'm glad he'll get to play for a great coach, a great organization. should be fun to see what happens in pittsburgh next year. >> yeah. you have been russell wilson's biggest defender in the national media, including sports and politics on the list for a long time, joe. now, it is a different thing for him, right? he'll be a backup. he is going to be a backup to kenny pickett, who is the steelers' quarterback. russell wilson has a pr problem. his football skills have aged so he's not the player he used to be. in terms of what he can do, the standard of success is changing, right? you know this. when you become a backup, your job is not to mess things up. your job is to go in in injury relief. russell wilson in pittsburgh, the biggest question, when does he unveil the pittsburgh accent? when does he say yins and go rust belt? that is wilson's general m.o., try to acclimate to the new

climate. this is different from seattle on the political front in that sense. >> you nailed it, the russ belt, i love it. ask lemire, who is fidgeting by now. >> very fidgety. >> let's have the conversation. >> lemire. >> lemire woke up at 1:00 p.m. to do this show because of the time change. >> 1:00 a.m. >> feels like 1:00 p.m. >> start of daylight saving time sa punishment. lose an hour after sleep. >> then this, john. >> here's what i'll say, i think mac jones will have another moment in the nfl. he was done a disservice by bill belichick and his coaching staff. he didn't have an offensive coordinator the next year. it was a toxic situation. belichick lost confidence in jones. jones played poorly this year, no doubt about it. it is disheartening they could only get a sixth round pick for him. >> that's what is sad to me. >> yeah. for someone who a couple years ago looked like he was going to be potentially an nfl star, at least a solid starting

quarterback. that's gone. the pats had to move on from him. the situation was not going to be repaired. they'll probably draft a qb at the third pick. for mac jones, i still think, and i know joe agrees with me, he could have a moment in the league some year. >> he is an alabama guy. the s.e.c. is underlying this conversation with joe. i want to point out, there is a sliding door timeline here, right? if mac jones is drafted by the 49ers, as was rumored, he is a very different guy right now. he is piloting an offense. instead, he went to the latter days of bill belichick. >> no weapons. >> it was rough. no receivers. look, the patriots have a new head coach. the thing you need, of course, from that public-facing perspective is a new quarterback. if you're signaling this team is different, you're looking for the face of the team to change, they're going to draft a new face now it looks like, and there's some really good quarterbacks to be selected. mac jones will be apparently back in his hometown of jacksonville, which i didn't know until he got dealt for the sixth round pick.

it is a little sad but good for him. college basketball. caitlin clark's game-sealing three-pointer in overtime helped iowa to the third consecutive big ten tournament title last night. iowa might have also secured a top seed in the upcoming ncaa tournament for just the third time in program history. the first time since 1992. >> very exciting. she's amazing. pablo, she's made liars out of the writers of "family guy." people are watching women's basketball. >> yes. >> they're watching it in droves. >> you know, this is the best -- this is not just the best story in sports right now. this is the best television show in sports right now. these games, caitlin clark's games at iowa, and this is her winning the big ten tournamly s second half and overtime. these shows are being watched more than wnba games, more than men's college basketball games, more than nba games.

>> that's amazing. >> she has 4 million people watching her last week. the thing about her, and this is the biggest compliment i can pay an athlete, she's not just the all-time leading scorer in college basketball history. she's someone we should not be grading on any kind of curve. we tend to do that sometimes unconsciously, condescending to the women's game. it is nice they're doing this, finally. what she's doing beyond the points is she's proving she's one of the greatest entertainers in sports. she has a showmanship, an arrogance, which plays as a confidence in a sincere way. when the spotlight is brighter, we've seen it with michael jordan, tom brady, derek jeter, i give her the same compliment. the spotlight goes on, she gets better. that's what is incredible about her. >> you look at the three-pointer she made from basically half court to beat pete maravich's record. extraordinary. >> yes. >> pablo, stay there. >> all right.

>> this is ghostbusters, where we cross, actually -- >> cross the streams. >> we're going to do it with nbc sports soccer analyst and co-host of "men in blazers" roger bennet. roger and pablo, you don't think it should work together. you know what? >> it doesn't. >> it's like resee's. >> i love surprise in the morning. >> #team mika. >> exactly. >> thank you. >> roger, mika, unfortunately, we actually -- we had a lot of people come over to the house yesterday to watch the game of the year. >> yeah. >> the match of the year. >> she loves it. >> trying to rest after a long trip. >> mika is trying to rest after a long trip, but she's hearing a lot of screaming, mainly from me. i won't bring jack scarborough into this. >> jack is very nice. >> a game that i must say, i was really surprised, liverpool dominated. i had not seen man city stretched like that in quite some time.

don't smirk, roger. you know in your ever-tonian heart, it's true. >> i was just thinking of mika just being the great host with the sacrifice you made, mika. let's relive the memories. the premier league crashed toward its finale. you can roll the tape. ryan gosling energy and all the hype of a mike tyson heavyweight clash. the future of democracy depended on this outcome. legally being liverpool supported by joe. facing abu dhabi's manchester city. jurgen klopp about to retire. pep guardiola. this is coach k and dean smith. a giant care bear. manchester city scored first. nba set play with screens and picks. first blitz, city.

liverpool, tenacious. the goalkeeper took it out. alexis mccallister made it 1-1 from the penalty spot. at the death, city almost stole it. goalkeeper playing it cool, like he got it. this is a tight one. it'll go down to margins, like empires that won and lost by inches. there is pacino and de niro, acted out by men who pushed the entire world of football to new levels because of the rivalry. neither of them ended up in first place because in the other big game of the weekend, you've got the l.a. rams owned arsenal football club. their fans deserve joy, too. tempted to keep up with liverpool and city. taking on brentford. with this opener, declan rice getting his meaty london forehead. from caitlin clark logo range, pablo. stroke of halftime.

arsenal goalkeeper aaron ramsdale, this is hard to watch. it all went a bit katie britt. in agony, as his attempt to control the ball really turned into the equivalent of a kate middleton photo shoot. anxiety for arsenal football club. hearts are resilient. in the 87th minute, if you can use your head, while all of you are losing their heads and blaming it on you. arsenal, 2-1. talk of the table, joe. this title race, three teams separated by one point, ten games to play. it's really the most exciting title chase since football was broadcast in the united states. with the world in the state it is, we need this kind of joy, joe. >> yeah. >> of course, we do need this joy. and city going up against arsenal next. that's going to be fantastic. >> i'm going to come around, mika. i'm not invited, but i'm going to be coming around. >> no.

>> i'll bring you my onion dip. >> okay. >> that is something. thank you. >> sports analyst and host of "men in blazers," roger bennet, thank you. pablo, back to you quickly. if you or lemire want to comment on the game, we can. or go straight to baseball. >> i think baseball. >> baseball. >> john lemire's misery is on order here, right next to the onion dip. i mean, should we talk about how the red sox might finish last in the a.l. east for the third straight year? >> they will finish last in the a.l. east for the third straight year. little to no suspense there. the last few days, they lost a starting pitcher. >> ucl. >> they have not signed a free agent. >> nope. >> rumors that jordan montgomery still not doing that. they do seem destined for a last-place finish. red sox owners spending far more resources on liverpool. it was a great game. my boys and i were watching. >> who is counting payroll? >> spring training is here.

there's not much excitement among red sox fans. give us a quick take, the other story lines throughout baseball. >> we should talk about the a.l. east, though. simply as an organization. joe, this is the s.e.c. of major league baseball. it's officially happened. this is a division. >> it's loaded. >> it is insane. so the only joy i had as a born and bred yankee fan last season was, of course, the red sox were beneath us as we were having the worst season in my lifetime, right? just eking out an 82-80 record. not making the playoffs. now, the expectations, talk about the big picture here, the expectations are the yankees need to win this world series. we got juan soto to solve of the problem of, okay, not enough offense. gerrit cole won the cy young last season. we have the pitching and the hitting. can we beat, if we can skip past the orioles, the rays, the bluejays, which is not easy, but let's do it for a second, can we beat the dodgers? the dodgers are the world series favorite. >> mookie betts playing

shortstop. >> yoshi yamamoto, highest paid in this position. ohtani, yamamoto, the guys in l.a., they're doing what the yankees used to do. i'm clinging to the shreds of my childhood ego in a way that hopefully brings us a world series again. >> it is really sad. >> i feel sad. >> i understand the dodgers are the new yankees. wasting all that money. not winning world series. the yankees are the old yankees, too. you know, that's the thing about baseball. spend all the money, and you end up with, like -- >> diamondbacks-rangers. the world series is march madness now, for better and for worse. >> it has. mainly for worse. espn's pablo torre, thank you so much. >> thank you, pablo. >> thank you, joe. thank you, mika. >> mika, we're going to get to

news. >> we need to get to politics. >> really quickly, i want to talk about what happened. you were talking about recovering from just an extraordinary trip. >> yes. >> with your 30/50. >> the 30/50 summit in abu dhabi. adrienne elrod is on this hour. if we both look completely exhausted, it is because we just got back. but we are also exhilarated. i thought to myself, how do you top last year? we did it, right, adrienne? we had 400 women or over 400 women from 46 different countries. we came together at what is really a turbulent time for women around the world, whether it is reproductive rights here in america, the wars in the middle east and ukraine, famine, global upheaval. we took on all of these issues with the cross-generational, multi-cultural summit that looked at these crises from every angle. we had experts and conflict resolution, mental health, money

experts, like susie orman talking to the audience, tech leaders, nobel prize winners, world renown artists. it was a remarkable event. life changing for everybody who was there, whether on stage or in the audience. we'll have a preview later in the show and more highlights throughout the week. >> sounds great. let's talk a little politics over the weekend. >> absolutely. i was watching that, too. >> we brought up nancy mace earlier. >> yes, republican congresswoman nancy mace of south carolina got into a heated exchange with george stephanopoulos' sunday morning show when he asked how she can support and endorse donald trump who was found liable for sexually abusing writer e. jean carroll in civil court. mase, who revealed in 2019 that she was raped as a teenager, avoided answering the question by accusing stephanopoulos, over

and over again, of trying to shame her. take a listen. >> i'm not going to sit here on your show and be asked a question meant to shame me about another potential rape victim. i'm not going to do that. >> it is not about shaming you. it is a question about donald trump. >> you are shaming me. >> you've endorsed donald trump for president. >> right. >> donald trump has been found liable of rape by a jury. donald trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of the rape by a jury. it's been affirmed by a judge. >> it was not a criminal court case, number one. number two, i live with shame. and you're asking me a question about my political choices, trying to shame me as a rape victim. i find it disgusting. this is why women won't come forward. >> women won't come forward because they're defamed by those who perpetrate rape. >> they're judged and shamed. you're trying to shame me this morning. >> i'm not shaming you. i called you courageous. >> took me 25 years to tell my .

>> i'm asking -- >> you're shaming me for my political choices. >> why did you endorse someone who was found liable for rape? answer the question. >> it was not a criminal court. to sit here and ask me as a rape victim, to try to shame me for my political choices, is wrong. i think it is offensive. >> you can repeat that again and again. >> and i'm going to. >> and i've done nothing to shame you. >> it is offensive. >> what you are doing is defending a man who is found liable of rape. i don't unction how you can do that. >> not in a criminal court of law. it was not rape. she made a mockery out of it. >> pull up "the washington post" headline. in fact, it has been shown to be rape. the judge affirmed it was, in fact, rape. donald trump was found to have committed rape. that's a fact. >> that is a civil judgment, not a criminal court. they're two very different things and you know better. >> i just showed you the facts. >> you know better. >> you're very comfortable with what donald trump has done. >> what you have done is offensive to women who have been raped. >> we'll let the viewers decide

about that. >> it is not offensive. she's not shamed because she's incapable of shamed. >> although she tried to shame e. jean carroll. my god. >> well, trump continually tried to shame e. jean carroll. again, i guess -- >> this is a woman who was jeering hunter biden when he tried to show up and testify in public. >> yeah. >> ultimately, the private testimony went badly. she was acting like an eighth grader, screaming at him. >> i just wonder -- >> shaming him. >> -- how stupid, jonathan lemire, she thinks people are. how stupid? that's the thing. again, whether it is bad acting, whether it is lying about a story that happened when george bush was president and trying to attach it, all these years later, to joe biden, and then going on tv and lying about it, like, i just -- maybe after a

while, republicans could figure out why they lost in 2017, lost in 2018, lost in 2019, lost in 2020, lost in '21, lost in '22, lost in '23. because they think, they think that everybody is so stupid that they can do that sort of routine where she knows, she knows she is defending, she is endorsing, she is all behind a man who a judge said raped another woman and then defamed her. talk about shaming a woman if she's socon concerned about rape victims being shamed. what about what donald trump does to his rape victim? judge said she was a rape victim. day in and day out, constantly shaming e. jean carroll. so much so, the jury had to come

back a second time and make the penalty so bad that maybe he would stop shaming a rape victim. that's who nancy mace aggressively endorses instead of a woman who saved her political life in south carolina. >> yeah, trump went after e. jean carroll again over the weekend, and there's some chatter that maybe she should file another defamation lawsuit. >> she should. >> yeah, it is bad acting. really, it's bad faith. what we saw from representative mase, it was, indeed, though it is impossible to shame her, it is twisting what george stephanopoulos said, and hiding behind something, of course, that was truly terrible that happened, in order to defend her support of donald trump. this is what we're seeing more and more from republicans, where it's not just that they're trying to lie for political points. they're detached from reality. there are consequences here. in that moment, maybe they can blast out a fundraising clip and

make a little money. maybe in the deep red districts, they'll get a little more support. but they're talking to a smaller and smaller slice of the electorate. i think americans on the whole are tired of these lies, tired of the chaos, tired of the ugliness. that was on display thursday night in the state of the union. president biden repeatedly heckled from the crowd. that didn't play well with most americans who do want to see still, even in this day and age, some decency in our policies. yes, we're a deeply polarized country, but this election, elections, after year after year, are still decided by the voters, as small as they may be, who are in the middle. the independents, the swing voters. this is the thing that repulses them. it's part why republicans have been on such a losing streak here. they're making no effort whatsoever, joe and mika, to grow their base of support. they're talking to die hards who are more and more passionate, but there are fewer of them.

>> with george stephanopoulos, what you saw, katty, before we expand the conversation, nancy mace, who has openly spoken about a terrible experience, weaponizing it against george stephanopoulos, which seems beyond twisted, but, again, this is trump world. this is a man who has been accusd of rape several times other and has other accusers that he's bought off. that is an allegation that might be brought into the case against him with stormy daniels. on top of it, said on tape that he enjoys and can grab women by their genitals, bragged about it, then doubled down on that in his deposition when he was sued by e. jean carroll. >> i think anyone who knows george stephanopoulos knows that he is one of the least likely people in the world to try to shame somebody who has suffered that kind of awful experience. that's not the way george

carries out his journalism. he's fair. he's honest. it was a legitimate question. i wonder, you know, if nancy mace had been asked about any other politician, i don't know, if this had been a question about a democratic politician, would she have been so offended by the question? it's hard to know. i mean, you're right, the from the democrats' political point of view, the more they can point to the extremes of donald trump, the more they can point to the extremes of marjorie taylor greene, as she was performing in the state of the union address, that's where they feel they can remind people about the choices that are at stake in november. the whole idea of trump amnesia, as it is being called, when donald trump mimics joe biden's stutter in front of an audience in georgia. how many suburban women voters in all those cities we keep talking about, in detroit, philadelphia, georgia, are going to listen to that and think

that's the behavior they want to endorse and give their vote to? the biden campaign thinks it can just let trump be trump, be the most extreme version of himself, be the most obnoxious version of himself, and that'll help them in november. over the course of this weekend, we saw the extreme elements of maga behaving in the way the biden administration hopes is going to remind voters what's at stake, what the choice is. >> let's bring into the conversation former senior aide to both the biden and clinton campaigns, adrienne elrod. and associate editor at "the washington post," jonathan capehart. the host of the saturday show and the sunday show, weekends on nbc. jonathan, you interviewed president biden over the weekend. let's show an exchange about one of the bigger moments from the state of the union. take a look. >> you were once the chair of the senate judiciary committee. i was struck by your direct comments to the supreme court,

who are right there in front of you. am i right in thinking that you view the roberts' court as a political bodies and the conservative majority as politicians instead of jury? >> no, look, i think they made the wrong decision. i think they read the constitution wrong. i think they made a mistake. i was bug blunt. part of it, remember, what they said is it's up to the states to decide. that's what was said. it's no longer constitutional guaranteed principle. they used the phrase that women can vote and can change if they want to. i found that somewhat insulting, the idea they don't think they can. women are speaking out. they spoke out in 2022. they spoke out in 2024. this is what is going to happen. i was making clear, women speak up. this is going to change. if you give me a congress that's democrat, we're going to change it back to roe v. wade. >> jonathan, curious, your

overall impressions of the president? >> look, my overall impression of the president is he feels liberated. liberated in the sense that, you know, he had to do the state of the union address. he came out of that address, you know, firing on all cylinders. he feels liberated now that he gets to go get out on the campaign trail and prosecute the case against donald trump while, at the same time, telling the american people, here's what i've done that you might not even know about. here's what i want to do with a second term. please, get out and vote and give me a second term. in the grand scheme of things, i can't do what we need to do to get the country forward if we lose our democracy. one of the first questions i asked him when we had a little, quick meeting on air force one, i just looked at him and said, you're having a good time, aren't you? he said, yeah. he loves campaigning.

he loves getting out -- being able to get out of washington, get out of the bubble, and get to talk with the american people. also, as we saw during his state of the union address, he liked the back and forth and the jousting with jeering republicans like congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. overall, i think the joe biden we saw in the well of the house for the state of the union address, the joe biden i saw on saturday at the various events that i followed him to, we're going to keep seeing that on the campaign trail. i think that the horrible poll numbers we're now seeing in march, i think they're going to tick up. i think in the end, folks are going to like the cranky grandpa president joe biden better than the one who stayed behind the white house walls all these mons. >> it is interesting. everyone was saying, we'll be

sleepy joe. when republicans said, oh, he was too aggressive. >> they called him jacked up. every host along the line were using the same words, like they had a memo. >> same talking points. >> from trump. >> i'm wondering, adrienne, we've talked sometimes on this show, and i know mika and i talked to you offline, about the fact that the joe biden that we see one-on-one is far different than joe biden we've been seeing on tv. that seems to have changed with the state of the union. you look at jonathan's interview. you look at even the 30-second ad. it's far more relaxed biden. i'm ccurious. you're seeing on-air what people have been talking about behind the scenes for some time. i'm wondering what happened. what switched? was it a campaign turning on? what was it? >> i think it was a couple things, joe. first of all, as you and mika

know, president biden has been telling a story for the last few years about the major economic bills he's passed, some of the huge successes he's had as president legislate i havely and how the successes are translating into big wins for the american people. 15 million jobs created, you know, record unemployment. we could talk about the accomplishments forever here. what doesn't always happen, you don't have the platform in which to translate the policies to the american people. even though president biden, the administration, has been talking about these policies, he really had the chance last thursday night during the state of the union to lay out all of his accomplishments, the things he wants to do in the future in a second term, and then also how those accomplishments are impacting the american people in a way where you had so many people tuned in. millions of americans tuned in. he was able to really get his message across. he did it incredibly effectively. of course, as we've been talking about, as you all have been talking about, in contrast to people like mtg, who showed up in full red maga regalia,

looking completely silly in the audience. something else i loved that president biden did, he loves talking about some of his major eeconomic policies. then reminding the audience a lot of republicans in the room who didn't support his policies go back to their districts and talk about, oh, the infrastructure bill and how this is helping everybody in my district. even though they voted against it. he loves to take that to them. the bottom line is, he knows he had a good week. he was able to get his message across effectively because millions of americans were tuning in. of course, he followed it up with a great interview with capehart. $30 million ad guy that's only going to increase in the key swing states. he had a great week. he had a great fundraising week. think we're going to see more of that going forward. meanwhile, donald trump had viktor orban at mar-a-lago. what a contrast. jonathan capehart, the war in gaza is obviously a political sticking point for the president. people voting uncommitted as

sort of a protest to what's happening to palestinians. let's listen to part of your conversation about that. >> you're heading to michigan where, you know, on the campaign trail, probably in the next few days, where more than 100,000 people voted uncommitted in the primary to protest your handling of the situation in gaza. some have said they'll never vote for you. one told the united states, and i'm quoting, as bad as mr. trump's rhetoric was and putting the ban on the muslim countries, he wasn't actively aiding a genocide. those are tough words. what is your response to the widely shared sentiment? >> it is not widely shared. you make judgments you're not capable of making. that's not what all those people said. what they said is they're very upset, and i don't blame them for being upset. there are families there. there are people who are dying. they want something done about

it. they're saying, "joe, do something. do something." the idea they all think it is genocide is just not -- that is a different situation. look, i can fully understand, can't you? you have a family member there, families, coming from a family that is still isolated there and may be victimized. it is understandable they feel that way. that's why i'm doing everything i can to try to stop it. >> jonathan, i don't know how many of those voters would vote for donald trump, even if they're angry at president biden, but they might stay home or vote for a third party candidate. it's still going to cost president biden votes. i think he might be underestimating some of the anger there. there are a lot of people using the phrase genocide to describe what is happening there. talk to us, though, for a little more about your conversation about this piece of it. the domestic concerns, yes, but also, as we played earlier in the show, biden drawing a red line for netanyahu. it seems that relationship is coming to a breaking point. >> yes. so, you know, this is where the president and i disagreed, as you saw. it is a widely shared sentiment.

how the president and the white house -- the white house understands this is a big problem, and the president understands that this is a big problem. that's one of the reasons why he is going to michigan and one of the reasons why he said he is trying to stop the carnage in gaza. but in the motorcade, on our way to the venue, to the rally that he had in atlanta, there was maybe 20 to 30 protesters holding signs and holding the palestinian flag, waving signs at the motorcade as it entered the property. there is no getting around -- oh, and also during the rally, there was someone who, you know, yelled out, "free palestine" and was hustled out of the venue. so the president and the administration knows that there are people who have a lot of problems with this. he was quibbling with me over the use of the word genocide.

back to your bigger question about the relationship between the president and prime minister netanyahu, it is really frayed. that was one of the reasons i asked the question. do you have a red line? the last few weeks, we have seen, you know, secretary blinken, vice president harris, the national security adviser, jake sullivan, all say things in public about what they'd like to see israel do, what they would like to see happen in gaza after this war is over. only to have their suggestions and their pleas slapped back publicly by netanyahu. when i asked the president, what's your red line, and not give some thing, but then ask about the invasion of rafah, which netanyahu says he'll do despite the president urging him not to, the president said, "yeah, that's a red line." then the president is trying to

make a distinction between netanyahu and the state of israel. i asked a question which should get more attention, would he go back to israel for the sole purpose of going to speak to the knesset, the israeli parliament? he said flat out, with no elaboration, he said, yes. when i asked, well, who gives that invitation? is it the prime minister? is it the israeli president? he wouldn't get into it. but he wouldn't get into it in a way that led me to believe that perhaps these discussions are actually happening, that it could -- we could possibly see the president go back to israel and talk to the israeli people, basically leapfrogging the prime minister and talking to the israeli people about what should -- what should happen in the aftermath of the war. one more thing about -- i left out in my first answer, because when you were talking about how republicans were come plaping

complaining the president was jacked up during the state of the union address, one of the things the president said to me was, every time trump says something, he, meaning the president, gets juiced up. it just gets him going. that's also one of the reasons i think we're going to see more of, as i'm calling it, cranky grandpa joe biden. >> not sure about the criticism of being jacked up because jacked up joe seems fine with it. he's got a lot of energy. probably a little anger toward these maga republicans who are ruining the country. >> yeah. >> jonathan capehart, thank you very much. >> thanks, mika. >> great job there. on the heels of sweden joining nato last week, we are seeing a major test of the alliance's strength. there is a growing competition playing out between russia and the west in the arctic, where u.s. marines are training right now. joining us from alta, norway, foreign correspondent josh lederman. tell us about these training

exercises. >> reporter: mika, if you take a look at where we are standing here, north of the arctic circle, this looks nothing like the dry, hot desert climates of the middle east where the u.s. military has really been focused for the last several decades. that is starting to shift. there are some 20,000 nato troops who are training here in the nordic region, including from sweden and finland, the two newest nato members. i spent the last three days embedded here with the u.s. marines who are part of this training. here's what we saw. the frosty arctic is the new battleground in a military competition between russia and the u.s. the u.s. marines and a dozen allies joining forces for war games in northern norway, as part of the largest nato exercises since the cold war. they're practicing storming a beach from the sea and the air as they work to defend nato territory from any threat.

>> i'll continue maintaining the airway, and i'll grab a leg. >> reporter: in this mass casualty drill -- >> leaking. >> reporter: -- languages blend together as american and norwegian troops work shoulder to shoulder. these war games taking place not far from russia's border on nato's northern front line. as global warning melts sea ice, the u.s., china, and russia are seeking to expand their foothold. for the marines ts a sharp shift after decades fighting in the hot, dry climates of the middle east. >> range of fire! >> reporter: after a rocky journey through the mountains, we reached marines dug in on the mountainside. at night, the temperatures can drop below zero. >> we had marines never in the snow before coming to norway. >> reporter: repelling an invasion by a major hostile power from the east. >> multiple vehicles. >> reporter: moscow is watching. norwegian officials detected russian vehicles nearby spying on the exercises. is it easier to hide in snowy

forest than, for example, in a desert? >> i'd say it depends on the conditions. on a day like this, there's snow tracks that would be left. if it was a snowstorm, the snow tracks would rapidly be closed. >> reporter: these marines spent nearly two weeks here, sleeping up to six to a tent. boiling water. praying in the snow. >> amen. go in peace. serve the lord. >> reporter: lance corporal corey from massachusetts joined the marines a year ago. >> first time touching a ski pole, was here. i fell in love where skiing. >> reporter: how'd it go? >> i fell a lot. but, you know, i had fun. biggest smile on my face. >> reporter: a forceful message from the u.s. and its allies. >> anywhere we go, i know we can fight. i know we can thrive. >> reporter: mika, the war in ukraine clearly forms the backdrop for what we're seeing here. in fact, the norwegian military officials told us before the war in ukraine, russia had five

times as many troops near the border as they do now because they've had to divert the forces farther south. at the same time, they say that the norwegian officials tell us that there have been changes in russia's behavior, including what they are seeing along the border. electronic warfare. jamming. norwegian troops have been approached by russians here in norway. i spoke with the assistant commandant of the u.s. military, general mahoney, about why this region is so important. here's what he told me. >> with the u.s., russia, and china competing in this region, how crate critical is the arcti nato's defense? >> it is absolutely critical. not only because of its unique challenges in terrain and weather, but the opening of the arctic as far as maritime waterways and lines of communication make it that much more important. the old adage, if it is valuable, it's worth defending.

>> reporter: one person clearly on the minds of these allies in northern europe is donald trump. in fact, one norwegian official told me that one of the u.s. military officials here felt the need to bring it up himself, to reassure the norwegians that despite what trump has said about inviting putin to do whatever he wants, that the u.s. is going to stay committed to nato and to the defense of this entire nato region. mika? >> nbc's josh lederman, thank you very much. reporting from alta, norway. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll show you more from president biden and former president trump's duelling weekend rallies in georgia. ahead of that battleground state's presidential primaries tomorrow. plus, the u.s. providing israel with munitions as the pentagon delivers food and other aid to gaza. we'll talk about that split screen and what it means for u.s. foreign relations. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ing easier.

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back to the crisis in the middle east where the u.s. is providing both aid to gaza and weapons to israel. as our next guest reports, it is a precarious position that puts american service members in new and uncharted territory. joining us now is "new york times" pentagon correspondent helene cooper. it seems precarious. as if it could go in the wrong direction really fast, but in others, helene, this seems exactly like the biden foreign policy. supporting israel against hamas, but also making sure innocent civilian life is preserved. >> hi, mika. thanks for having me. it's a really weird thing, especially if you talk to some people at the pentagon. even if you draw the lens

outward, there's a certain moral ambiguity between the u.s. providing israel with the bombs to -- that it is using to lay waste to ve to gaga waste to ga, at the same time the u.s. set up, is conducting air drops. air force planes and c-17s have been dropping thousands of ready-to-eat meals on gaza. for the past more than a week now. army corps of engineer troops are busy at work. they're going to be deploying soon to build a floating pier that is going to be used to stab into the sand at gaza to allow ships to bring small boats to bring food and aid into gaza, as well. all of this is because, well,

obviously, it is because of the war that began with the october 7th attack, hamas attack on israel. it is also because israel has not been allowing food and aid to get into gaza. you have this weird thing where the u.s. is doing something on one hand, and something completely different on the other. it'd seem to be in conflict with each other, particularly if you talk to any aid organization and the pentagon acknowledges this, the biden administration acknowledges this, that the best way to get aid into gaza would be by road. even the stopgap measures the biden administration has now approved and that president biden spoke of during his state of the union address are that, stopgap. it'd be a lot faster and more effective to get aid coming by

road. israel has been blocking that. you have the extraordinary lengo get around a blockade in place by our own ally, who we are providing with weapons to bomb gaza. it's kind of a strange head-turning thing. >> yeah, it is strange. what more do you know about the details of how this seaborn aid effort will work? how many trucks can get in every day? how are they going to secure the aid as it travels through gaza? a lot of gaza is bombed out. you can't roll off a tanker and start driving wherever you want to. do we know the details of how this is going to work? most critically, i guess, how quickly is the aid going to be able to get to people through this pontoon? >> it's not coming fast. it's going to be between a month to two months before --

>> people will die. >> -- you can see this starting to work. even though the u.s. troops are already deploying to the region. they're going to be in the mediterranean where they're going to build this floating pier. there is a floating dock they're going to build, then a pier they're going to stab into the sand. pentagon press secretary pat brider said on friday the hope is, through this, they'll be able to deliver, once it's up and running, up to 2 million meals a day. which is still not that much. the problem that the biden administration is facing is that you have a looming famine that is being predicted in gaza. gaza, the residents of gaza at this point in time are on the brink of starvation. most of them are surviving on one meal a day, possibly less, which is not enough to sustain an adult. a child can probably get by on

that. adult is a lot harder. there is worry this will not be enough. the army corps of engineers, the 1,000 troops deployed to do this can't get it up and running as quickly as the need demands. there is going to be -- it is basically one big u.s. ship that's going to be used to build the floating pier. the hope of the pentagon and president biden both they there won't be any american troops on the ground. they still insist on that. you're looking at different organizations who would actually be doing the aid. one organization that the pentagon -- one pentagon official mentioned to me is the world central kitchen that's managed by the washington, d.c., chef, jose andreas.

he's been very quick to deploy food and food tents and food banks to stress regions. he was in ukraine. he's been in gaza. the hope that they would run small boats from the ships to the floating pier to the sand, and then you're looking at the issue of getting this aid then in through trucks. israel, the point is to -- one of the things they want to do is israel would be looking at the aid to make sure it didn't include guns or ammunition to hamas in cyprus, in the port city of cyprus. before it even gets to the ship, it is a very intricate and kind of interesting process they're setting up. >> "new york times" pentagon correspondent helene cooper, thank you very much for your reporting. coming up on "morning joe," the u.s. beat expectations again with the addition of 275,000

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i started thinking about aging and what's possible for me as a woman as i age. was that something you thought about making this film ? >> i don't inc. about it a lot because i'm busy doing stuff. i didn't realize i would be happier than i've been. there's a contentedness. it may be hormonal. something happens to you and something goes through your body where you don't care. it makes all of life more precious. >> a nice 50 message during the oscars preshow last night. a host of the red carpet

coverage laverne cox speaking with nominee jodie foster. let's talk about 50 over 50. we at the forbes know your value in abu dhabi. it's the 30 under 30 listers meeting up with that 50 over 50 listers from around the world with amazing guests giving advice and addressing the problems that are facing women around the world. we had personal finance expert susie orman speaking to 400 women from 46 different countries including middle eastern audience. she shared her best advice for securing a brighter financial future. >> let me tell you why i'm giving this to you. mika, you have done something that has changed this world. you are on a voyage to make women throughout the world know their value. >> you have made my life.

thank you. >> that was nice of susie but she captivated the audience giving them incredible advice. for some of the women in the room, advise they never considered before. we took network to a new level at the summit and heard from a multicultural group of women about maximizing the relationships and impact from former president to ceos to actresses, authors, leaders in tech and mental health. 30-50 was a time to address our times look for support and solutions. i sat down with music legend shania twain who remains the top-selling country pop artist of all time. she was also the recipient of the know your value award and the international women's day gala on friday. she talked about with the summit meant to her. >> 430/50 2024, you have thrown

yourself into it. you've interacted with everyone. danced on the tables. had the desert party. i'm curious how the experience has been for you ? >> this experience has been a gift as a human being. i know i'm here representing the arts but i am saying as a person, i have never been surrounded by such a concentration of brilliance, experience and intentions that are so united. >> this expense has filled me up with inspiration. i'm going back to my studio and ready to write so much music. i'm getting on a flight on 2:00 a.m. and i will start with lyrics on the plane. i would say to everyone in this

room, continue lifting each other up. continue to share your stories. your differences. may we recognize how different we are from each other and appreciate and learn culturally in every way and walk away with more compassion and understanding of each other. most of all, know your value to yourself and to one another. >> we will be showing you all week why shania twain and susie were saying those things. for full coverage of the 30/50 summit go to the website. we can't wait to show you more interviews from the event. including former liberian president, and actress and many more. a dream, you were there part of the team making this event happen. it was hard to not get taken in how incredibly powerful this three-day event wise.

>> reporter: you know you showed the big names. shania twain who has overcome diversity. grew up in a difficult circumstance. was inspired by the women she met. susie orman who has reiterating your message of financial independence and taking care of your own pocket book. and the former president of liberia. you had an incredible conversation with her. we heard from women may not be as high profile as the ones i mentioned and you highland but women who have overcome their own id. -- adversity in difficult situations. most of us may not be able to imagine. who have risen to the occasion and speaking their truth and making sure that people understand women across the world understand you can come dish overcome difficult situations. 103 an expert from your speech you gave friday night at the gala which was inspiring.

you said perhaps that's why i feel so fortunate we will be honoring the work of two nobel peace prize winners, a holocaust survivor, environmental activists and artists whose life story who has shown resiliency and the power of the woman's spirit. we heard from a holocaust survivor and rabbi. she spent the first two years of her life and no 80 years old. as you remember, she spent the first two years of her life in a tunnel with her mouth taped shut because her parents were worried if she was crying they would be found and they would be murdered by the . we heard from another woman . she's a nobel peace prize winner who was held captive from isis for a year and are using her story to help other survivors of isis captives and trying to help other women who have been in

those situations overcome the challenges they face. an incredible group of women who came together under a shared common purpose which is female resiliency, female empowerment. congratulations, mika. you and the forbes team crushed it and could not have been more proud to be part of this special three-day summit. >> we will show you everything. it was this incredible woman on stage where shania twain and the holocaust survivor truly connect did on why the truth is so important. moments like that were abound for three days straight. i didn't know we could top last year but we did. we are growing and making women stronger around the world. thank you for being there. we will turn to other news but have more on 30/50. the labor market remains strong as of february jobs report showed 275,000 jobs were added last month. joining snow is the acting secretary of labor julie su. madam secretary, what do we

make of these numbers. they seem to be getting better. what are the current concerns that keep you up at night looking ahead in the next six months ? >> thank you, mika. this was a stunning jobs report. 275,000 jobs created. at the same time that the unemployment rate remains under 4 % for the 25th must straight. that's two years and running. it's the longest stretch of unemployment this slow in 50 years. labor force participation remain steady which means people are in the labor market and looking for jobs and finding them. this is work. it's progress. it was not promised and many people predict it that we would not have this recovery. we've seen wage -- wages go up that workers need to do well.

we need to keep up this process until every american feels it. >> madam secretary, tell us more about that wage increase which i know you say is so important. tell us about what kinds of jobs are these ? what sectors and do they include the manufacturing room that president joe biden promised ? >> the february jobs report showed growth in a number of industries. that's another part of why this is a strong resilient economy. it's not just one industry. it was health care, hospitals saw big growth. it was restaurants and bars. social assistance, government group. it's broad-based recovery. what we are seeing are wage increases over the year is over 4 %. that means real wages are growing. they are beating inflation. that's more money in workers pockets. that's a good thing. we want to keep on seeing that kind of strength for working

people so when you get home from work you put your keys down and actually have more you can spend on the things you need and the things you want. in terms of manufacturing, since the president came into office, there's been 700,000 jobs created in that industry. this is part of his commitment to rebuilding america. investing in america. bringing manufacturing jobs home. investing in our infrastructure. that's not a word for him. it's hundreds of thousands of roads and bridges. all of those are creating good jobs and union jobs in communities that need them the most. >> acting labor secretary julie su, thank you for coming on the show. our third hour of morning joe continues right now. mr. president, enough is enough. the free world deserves better. it doesn't have to be this way.

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like any mom, i will do a pivot out of nowhere into a shockingly violent story about sex trafficking. rest assured, every detail about it is real except the year, where it took place and who was president when it happened. and tonight, i am not just responding to the state of the union. i'm also selling these gorgeous cross necklaces. kitchens are where families have the hard conversations. like the one we will have tomorrow about how mommy freaked out the entire country. the american people who are struggling right now, know this. we hear you. we see you. we smell you. we are inside your kitchen right now looking through your fridge and what's that on the

top shelf ? migrants. i think that analogy went well. >> wow. good morning and welcome to "morning joe". it is monday, march 11. i don't know which katie britt was more like katie britt but that was incredible. with this we have the host of way to early jonathan lemaire. your special correspondent for bbc news and ms cnbc contributor and author of the book how the right lost its mind, charlie sykes. we need charlie but before to public ticks, can we talk about the oscars ? the 96 annual oscars were held last night in hollywood. oppenheimer came into the night with 13 nominations and ended up with the most wins including best picture, best actor for

cillian murphy, best supporting actor for robert downey jr., emma stone won best actress for her role in poor things and best supporting actress one da'vine joy randolph for her role in the holdovers. that was amazing. the oscars featured showstopping performances from billie eilish and ryan gosling. both performing songs from the barbie soundtrack. at the end of the night, jimmy campbell took a minute to read former president donald trump's reaction to his hosting. >> i just got a review. is there ever been a were supposed and jimmy kimmel at the hot oscars. is opening was less than average person trying to hard to be something which he is not and never can be. get rid of jimmy campbell and replaced him with another washed up a cheap abc talent. see if you can guess which former president just posted that on truth social ? anyone ?

thank you, president trump. thank you for watching. i'm surprised -- is an it passed your jail time ? >> okay. >> i guess he doesn't understand. he keeps walking into traps. he keeps -- again, it's like an old fighter that is past its prime. the mate that have worked and disruptive 2016, everything -- everyone knows what's coming. he's the butt of the joke for millions of people last night. >> two things can be true. while he keeps losing and having problems along the way especially legal problems, he's developing a whole new bench, a whole generation of young, i would say, republicans but think it's safer to call them

trumpers who live like he does. they don't care. like katie britt. >> will get to that in a minute. they will lose also. this is a pathway to losing. we've seen that over the weekend. you been seeing the reaction that biden said at the union address. he's to jacked up. >> do you want him to be -- okay. 33 million people watched and they can decide. it was on thursday night. a marked increase from the year before. in the wake of the presidents well received speech, the biden campaign hit record fundraising numbers. in the 24 hours after biden's remarks, his reelection campaign raked in $10 million. that's the largest 24-hour hall

the campaign and its affiliated committees have seen so far. the president to off his post state of the union campaign tour with a stop in philadelphia on friday followed by a rally in georgia on saturday. his campaign also released a new political ad that leaned into the presidents age. take a look. >> i'm not a young guy. that's no secret. here's the deal. i understand how to get things done for the american people. i led the country through the covid crisis. today, with the strongest economy in the world. i passed the law that lowers prescription drug prices, cap insulin for $35 a month for seniors. for four years, donald trump try to pass in infrastructure law and failed. i got it done. we are rebuilding america. i passed the biggest lot in history to combat climate change because our future depends on it.

donald trump took away the freedom of women to choose. i'm determined to make roe v. wade the law of the land again. donald trump believes the job of the president is to take care of donald trump. i believe the job of the president is to fight for you, the american people and that's what i'm doing. i'm joe biden. i approve this message. >> can we do one more take ? >> i'm very young, energetic and handsome. why am i doing this ? >> that add will be running in critical swing states like pennsylvania and georgia. charlie, you look -- we've been talking about our former party and talking about the axis of the former party. i've talked about the state of the unions i've been in. political campaigns i've followed or have been through. i've never seen a contrast this striking. almost like seven, eight years of corruption, extremism and

lying all in one night. it seems now biden has the win behind him. >> that was very good. also think about how the mood and narrative has changed in the last week. we were sitting here discussing the freak out of the democrats about joe biden and think about where we are at. as a reminder how fast things move in politics. you had a good few days for joe biden including that add in the interviews he's given. also, the trump vp edition not going so well. about the republican bench, we are seeing where this party is going this next generation. as they try to channel their inner donald trump. it has not gone well, has it ? >> no, it has not.

we were talking but i told her i met katie britt at the sec championship game. i really liked her a lot. i met her family. down to earth. it didn't seem to be trumpian. she seemed to be a regular republican. had a great talk with her. it was a lot like elise the phonic. we had a great talk when she first came into congress. the future of the republican party is strong. she's reasonable. >> young, smart. somebody that the party can get around. both of them -- we will see what happens with katie britt.

unfortunately, she doubled down this weekend on this story that was a lie. i hated to see that. someone should come out and say, you know what, i'm new to this. didn't do as well as i do. sorry about the story. it happens. she could have moved past it but i guess you will double down. on the biden side, they've got to be so excited. the speech. he accumulated dish humiliated all his critics and raised a lot of money. over 30 million people watching that. joking about his age which is what people have been telling him to do for some time and does it well. >> first on katie britt. the terrible story about a sexual assault involving a migrant. she suggested it happened during president joe biden's term. it happened over 20 years ago when george w. bush was

president. we sought scarlett johansson savage are on saturday not live at the top of our show. as for biden, they had a well- received speech watched by a lot of people. a fundraising blitz. best 24 hours of the entire campaign came after that speak. he then hit the road. he was in pennsylvania on friday and georgia over the weekend. new hampshire today. michigan and wisconsin later this week. he's ramping up the travel. the campaign fully engaged. i can't tell you how many democrats i've spoken to in the last few days who feel better about things. they point to polls that joe biden getting a bump in the last week or two. some of that before the state of the union. i suspect those numbers will go up. they have more money on hand that trump has. trump using his cash for his

legal bills. they feel good about the contrast. they feel good about the story they can tell where they are versus were trump is. the ad is the latest and not the last to take on the age thing. they think they can diffuse it and think it's a problem for trump also. >> speaking of contrast. you had joe biden after his incredible state of the union address talking about his accomplishments and all the positive things he was able to get done in the wake of the trump presidency coming into the white house barricaded after january 6th. and move forward, persevere and pascal was legislation. even the partisan legislation that has improved the economy. this is a fact. >> about the american people. >> you've got those messages after the speech as he goes on the campaign trail. meanwhile, donald trump is at mar-a-lago hosting hungary's autocratic prime minister on friday. to quote, to discuss a wide

range of issues affecting hungary and the united states. he has close ties to vladimir putin has refused to provide any aid to ukraine while seeking to turn his own country into an illiberal state. trump has bragged about having his endorsement for his 2024 campaign. fond over the hungarian leader. >> there's no one better, smarter or a better leader than victor or von. he's a noncontroversial figure. this is the way it's gonna be that's the end of it. he's the boss. he's a great leader. >> i've been warning of that. he keeps bringing him up for a

reason. he brags about getting rid of western-style democracy who brags about being in a liberal state. who has arrested and jailed competing politicians, members of the press. given them out of the country. he's bulked the phones of rival politicians and journalists. you name it, he's done it. this is who donald trump admires. he says he's not controversial because he says what he wants and gets it done. he's the boss. trump said that in the most admired of ways. that's what america looks like under donald trump second term if we take him at his own words. >> that line about he's not controversial because he says what he wants and gets it done and he's the boss was so reflect the. a confession that was total projection what donald trump would like.

he's made hungary what he calls a liberal democracy. i'm not sure if those two things can be possible together. how you have a democracy that's illiberal. that's what he's done by packing the courts with his corneas, weighing in on judicial cases by making it incredibly difficult for the journalists to do any independent reporting. they are told by their editors what facts they can report before they are allowed to write their articles. that's the kind of state that donald trump in mar-a-lago in that speech seems to be admiring. the state that tucker carlson went to viktor orban to pay homage to his leadership. it's tied up with russia. the eu had to lean heavily on viktor orban threatening him with other punishments if he

didn't go ahead and agree to an eu package for eight ukraine. he didn't want to. he didn't want to do something that would get in a way of vladimir putin. you see these things are linked. it's a circular movement we see from what donald trump is doing in mar-a-lago, tucker carlson's visit to moscow and viktor orban's relationship with vladimir putin. >> you have in donald trump a guy who said he will terminate the constitution. he will be a dictator on day one. he would like to execute generals for not being lackeys. he said he could use a team to execute his political opponents and not be arrested. you go through all of this long list. >> you go through his presidency on the things he said and did. you don't just have what he's saying. you have a record.

>> even in his presidency where the last two weeks he said he was demanding his attorney general arrest joe biden and joe biden's family because he was getting better in the polls. we talked about the young republicans who unfortunately have had their bearings twisted by this to become unrecognizable. you look at and i saw von hilliard in avoiding people a trump always talking about civil war saying if they didn't win this time they were on the use of violence and take over state legislatures and take over courts and come to washington. they were going to take over washington. charlie, this is not a test run. this is a guy that's told his followers if i win, it will be a dig tater. his followers are all in. how perverse that it's people i

went to church with. evangelicals that seem to be swept up into this totalitarianism and also small, republicans and governments. who now are begging for an autocrat. for a tyrant, a dictator. >> all of this is happening in brought daylight in real time. there's no subtlety. there's no secret about it. he's leaning into his embrace of illiberal authoritarianism. he says it out loud. now speaking of the younger republicans on the bench. you've got nancy mace were in up and justify the fact that this illiberal authoritarian in his talk about civil war is also been found liable for . you begin to put together this picture. what republicans are embracing.

what they are endorsing what donald trump is bringing into this campaign. donald trump is not going to get better. i think throughout 2024 what you will see is his inability to restrain his itch. he's up there on stage at mar-a- lago talking about he's not controversial because he's the boss. he says something and it's over. this is something that he admires. this is clearly something he aspires to. it's alarming. i know people who say you guys are engaging in trump to range syndrome. listen to donald trump. listen to what he is saying. listen to what his supporters are saying on a daily basis. it's not a secret. >> he is preparing everyone for what he will do. he talks about terminating the constitution.

he says he will be a dictator on day one when he talks about executing generals who are insufficiently loyal or finding media outlets guilty of treason when he talks about the things he's doing. when he argues in court that he can execute political opponents using seal team six and he can't get in trouble for. when he says that in court, he's telling people what he will do. these younger republicans fall in line. they will lose. they will destroy their careers. you look at nancy mace. even after donald trump is found liable for sexual assault and a judge says he e.jean carroll. >> there were other women and other deals that have been struck that the prosecution, alvin bragg case. they want to bring forward to show this is a pattern of behavior.

91 counts. the sexual assault and fraud. i want to go over his legal challenges. >> speaking specifically of nancy mace. a judge talks about donald trump a woman and because she has no choice but to blindly defend donald trump. she defends amanda the judge says is a . does it without apology. talk about katie britt but also marco rubio. one of the most promising stars in the republican party was called the future of the republican party by time. now just a shell of its former self politically. you look at these people. rand paul who criticized donald trump. ted cruz. we could go on and on. they all fall in line. it's sad and pathetic. they will all lose.

trump will lose again. for some reason they cannot pull out of this political death spiral. >> we should show the nancy mace exchange. she accuses the reporter of shaming her. >> when he's asking that she tells the truth for once about donald trump. the latest in the ongoing war between israel and hamas. what president joe biden saying about his frustrations with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the is really prime minister is responding. you are watching "morning joe". we have a lot to cover. we will be right back. right ba.

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>> i told him, and don't repeat this but you and i -- him on a hot microphone here. >> over the weekend, president joe biden was asked about the comment and his relationship with prime minister benjamin netanyahu in an individual with jonathan capehart. >> that was an expression used in the southern part of my statement. a serious meeting. i've known him for 50 years and he knew what i met by it. >> what's the come to jesus part ? what tough love would you give to the prime minister ? >> what's happening is he has a right to defend israel, a right to pursue hamas but he must, must pay more attention to the innocent lives being lost. he's hurting, in my view, he's hurting israel more than helping israel by making the rest of the world -- it's a big

mistake. once see a cease-fire. >> what is your redline with prime minister benjamin netanyahu ? do you have a redline ? for instance, would invasion of rafah which urged him not to do be a redline ? >> i will never leave israel. the defense of israel is critical. there's no redline. they don't have the i don't to protect them. you cannot have 30,000 more palestinians dead as a consequence of going after its. there's other ways to deal with the trauma caused by hamas. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu is rejecting the presidents criticism. he told go he's doing with the

people of israel want. the prime minister vowed to the fight president joe biden so- called red line with rafah saying israeli troops will still move into the southern gaza city. joining us now is the comments and associate editor for the washington post. his latest piece as the title the white house tries to steer israel back onto a two-way street. is it possible ? >> at what point -- i keep waiting for this moment where i stood up to the brits. you can't do this anymore. this is not helping you or the united states. it's going to cause bigger problems down the road. at what point do we reach that ? this is pretty much unsustainable diplomatic you. unsustainable in the long run voluntarily. unsustainable politically for the israeli people. i'm not even talking about the united states.

i guess there are a good number of people in israel that either don't know or don't care with the long-term damage that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is doing to the country. we can. at some point, you have to stop killing palestinians are we have the have the suez moment with them. >> the hope was that by today the beginning of ramadan we would have a truce, a six-week pause. we would have a gradual de- escalation in this war. much more humanitarian aid and the ward was moving into a different phase. that hasn't happened. we are very close to the kind of contestation you describe. we've got the president of the united states saying to an israeli prime minister, you are hurting your country more than you are helping it.

pretty strong language. biden suggested that if israel goes forward with this plan to attack the four hamas battalions in rafah along the egyptian border that he will not have u.s. support. what president joe biden met by a red light was not clear with our colleague. it seems to suggest the u.s. may withhold weapons or make weapons conditional. i know that's what the discussion has been. we are getting close to the break you talked about. it would be a huge step for an american president to take. the measure will be whether the israelis do in fact move over the next week against rafah. if they don't, that means they would have heard the message that holding back. i guess the cease-fire coming

through and calm coming to the battlefield. >> again, you look at the images that continue to come out. you look at the column yesterday. the text messages coming out. the images of the 10-year-old boy starving to death. this has gone on and on. we remember the horde images of october 7. let me say. it's why hamas cannot continue. it's what hamas has forfeited its right to run gaza. they have forded their right to ever run gaza again. two things can be true at one time. the second thing is israel cannot continue moving in the direction they've been moving over the last few months. >> that's my question for david. we look at the family that's happening in gaza and you look at the life slipping away among the palestinians by the day and as joe said children starving

to death. and the suffering is beyond anything we can explain, is this what the people of israel want especially given how the israeli government has handled october 7th from the start ? >> mika, these images are excruciating. i think any person of goodwill watching them has growing difficulty. it's wonderful united states is moving with both feet into the role of providing humanitarian assistance. the airdrops are just the beginning. the significant move will be the maritime deliveries. and the demand that israel open new crossing so trucks can roll in. it's near famine situation. for me having stood at the edge of gaza city in the first month

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yesterday on fox news. >> did you mean to give the impression this horrible story happened on president joe biden's watch ? >> no. look, i specifically said this is what president joe biden did during his first 100 days. minutes after coming into office, he stopped all deportation, halted construction of the border wall. >> the story you relate is not something that happened under the biden administration ? that person ? >> i clearly said i spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked when she was 12. >> charlie, there's nothing clear about it. again, listen, stuff happens in politics. bad speeches are made. it's always better to go out and say i blew that one and people will forgive you for it and even like you better for

it. saying i was off on that and i'm so sorry. by the way, i told a story and inflated some facts and issues and things and i'm sorry for that. i hope you understand. my bigger point is the biden administration's policies from day one -- she could have said that. i don't know who's advising her. to double down after that performance. the wrong thing to do. on it like biden is owning his age. >> yes. you can never apologize in the modern world. being a republican is not saying you are sorry. that was not just misleading. that was a purposeful live. we know that part of the narrative is that joe biden is weak on the border and as a

result we are being subject to this migrant crimes. you've got elon musk tweeting out a bogus meme about illegal immigrants who are committing crimes and joe biden is giving them awards. katie britt coming up with this gruesome and grisly story that has no relation whatsoever to what's happening on the border. somebody had to know that. somebody had to recognize that this was a problem. she goes ahead with it anyway. maybe figuring no one would figure it out. when she's confronted with it, she gives that nondenial. one of the obvious questions is if in fact this is a terrible problem, if there are examples of migrant crime then why do you have to make up the ones that did not occur ? these are realities. something the biden administration has to deal with. it would be interesting to know who advised katie britt on the drama.

who advised her on the lies to give. it didn't do her any favors at all. >> no. >> that's a question that people who know her were talking this weekend. who advised her ? she's very likable. you talk to her one on one very likable. no nonsense. richard shelby who she worked for. who advised her ? who told her this was the right thing to do ? it's crazy. >> i have no idea. scarlett johansson had a tougher job than you may think. how do you do a parody of what is a parity itself. you played a bit from katie britt. it's a hard to outdo how strange that was.

maybe it's the curse of the state of the union response. every politician that falls on their face. it's funny but this lie about the migrants i think is important. this will be a massive theme in 2024. there will be caravans. they will try to take victims and exploit them politically. they've done this in the past and do it. these are not just one off situations. it's part of a narrative that they're trying to craft and she fell flat on her face. president joe biden is addressing his age in a new campaign ad. the washington post reporter joins us with his latest reporting. "morning joe" will be right back. right back

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quarterback updates. after a rough ride with the denver broncos, russell wilson is reportedly set to sign a one-year contract with the pittsburgh steelers. that is going to be fascinating. the nine-time pro bowler and one-time super bowl champ tagged the steelers on x in a hype video for his 13th nfl season. the patriots appear to be splitting with mac jones. jacksonville got a great deal there. in tampa bay, the buccaneers are bringing back baker mayfield on a reported three-year deal worth $100 million. baker is like cher and cockroaches. they will survive a nuclear

blast. add baker mayfield to that list. i'm excited about all of these things. first of all, i said from the beginning that russell wilson was treated like dirt in denver. i'm glad he's going to get to play for a great coach, a great organization. should be fun to see what happens in pittsburgh. >> you have been russell wilson's biggest defender. he's going to be a backup to kenny pickett, who is the steeler's quarterback. russell wilson is a guy with a pr problem. his football skills have aged, so he's not the player he used to be. but in terms of what he can do, the standard of success is changing. when you become a backup, your job is not to mess things up. the biggest question is when does he unveil the pittsburgh

accent? when does he start saying yinz? this is a very different climate than it was in seattle on the political front. >> ask lemire, who's fidgeting by now. >> i'm very fidgety over here. >> lemire woke up at 1 p.m. to do the show because of the time change. >> the start of daylight saving time is a punishment. >> i think mac jones is going to have another moment in the nfl. he was terrific as a rookie with the patriots and done a disservice by bill belichick and his coaching staff. it was a toxic situation. belichick lost confidence in jones. jones played poorly this year, no doubt about it.

it is disheartening they could only get a sixth-round pick for him. it looked like he was going to be a solid starting quarterback. the pats had to move on from him. they'll probably draft a qb at that third pick. i still think he could have a moment in the league. >> he's an alabama guy. i want to point out there is a sliding doors sort of timeline here. if mac jones is drafted by the 49ers, as was rumored, he's a very different guy right now. instead he went to the latter days of bill belichick. it was rough. he had no ceasefires. no ceasefires n if you're really signaling that this team is different, you're looking for the face of the change to change. there are some really good

quarterbacks to be selected. mac jones will be apparently back in his hometown of jacksonville. >> let's go to college basketball. caitlin clark's game ceiling three-pointer in overtime helped iowa to its third consecutive big ten tournament title last night. the first time since 1992. >> she's amazing. she's made liars out of the writers of "family guy," because people are watching women's basketball and they're watching it in droves. >> this is the best television show in sports right now. these games, caitlin clark's games at iowa -- this is her

winning in overtime last night. these shows are being watched more than not just wnba games, more than men's college basketball games, more than nba games. she had 4 million people watching her last week. she's not just the all-time leading scorer in college basketball history. she's someone we should not be grading on any kind of curve. what she's doing is proving she's one of the greatest entertainers we've seen in sports. every big moment, she is clutch. she has a showmanship. she has an arrogance which also plays as confidence in a sincere way. we've seen this whether it's tom brady, derek jeter, i give her the same compliment. coming up, we'll break down

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works. called him a fantastic leader. >> i had dinner last night with a great gentleman from hungary, prime minister of hungary, victor orban, very, very tough. some people don't like him because he's very tough. >> instead of celebraing the contribution of immigrants to america, donald trump calls them a poison. >> the plunder of our cities, the sacking of our towns, the violation of our citizens and the conquest of our country. they're conquering our country. these people are conquering our country. they're horrible people. >> wow. [ laughter ] >> why don't you just stand up and say, i want to lose? you mock a guy stuttering.

let me just say again, if you talk to small business owners, restauranters -- >> did you see the new unemployment numbers? >> you talk to people who run hardware stores on main street, they tell you we could use some more workers. unemployment is lower than it's been in 50 years now. the agony of our people, unemployment lower than it's been in 50 years. the sacking of our towns, i'm not exactly sure. crime near a 50-year low despite some judges that are too liberal who won't do what they're supposed to do when repeat offenders keep coming in.

that's not the rule. it's more the exception. donald trump hates america. the praising of orban, here's a guy who hates democracy, who loves illiberalism. >> joining the conversation we have peter baker and tyler pager. his latest reporting is on those dueling trump and biden rallies in georgia over the weekend, just 70 miles apart. but in terms of tone and outlook, thousands of miles apart. >> tyler, the thing that every politician wants is a good, clear contrast. that's what campaigns are about. i've got to say donald trump and

the freak show that was on the floor on state of the union night, for a lot of people in the biden campaign, it's lining up pretty nice. donald trump, for some bizarre reason, moving into the general election, telling romney republicans we don't want you, telling nikki haley republicans you're traitors, we don't want you. he's boiling down his support instead of expanding it. i've got to believe the biden campaign likes how this campaign is lining up. >> yeah. after a lot of months of anxiety about biden's launch, the last few days have gone according to plan. we've seen reporting that the biden campaign raised $10 million in the aftermath of the state of the union. so they're quite can thrilled with that contrast. you know they started with that state of the union address where

biden performed, surpassing expectations. i talked to one voter at his event outside philadelphia who was so nervous about biden's speech that she did not watch it in realtime. she was worried he would have a gaffe or stumble. it started there and continued to the weekend. i was in atlanta with him, where he gave a very tight 20-minute speech, sharpening attacks against trump. that's what the biden campaign wants. they want an election of a binary choice between trump and biden. they feel that the contrast is much further apart in terms of message and tone. i think we'll continue to see biden deliver that same message as he goes to new hampshire and then michigan and wisconsin later in the week.

a lot of relief and excitement in the biden camp and also among the donor class and voters, who were quite anxious. it's too early to see any movement on the polling front, but i know there will be a lot of anxious democrats waiting to see how much the ball has moved after a successful few days. >> anxious democrats, they're always anxious. peter baker, you've reported on it. democrats time and time again underestimated joe biden, time and time again think he's too old. then south carolina game. 2022, there was going to be a red wave. he's too old, he's tired. all these people were lining up to replace him after the red wave that never happened.

it's remarkable we've now had two state of the unions where democrats were very nervous. joe biden, once again, outperformed them, had a great weekend, great fundraising total and got pretty funny 30-second ads out there. seems to be a completely different tone than we saw a week ago. >> biden people knew that if it's a referendum on biden, he loses. the polls have been very clear. there are more americans who disapprove of his performance than approve of his performance. the challenge has been to remind americans why they voted for biden in the first place in 2020. a lot of people who have drifted away from biden are independents

or democrats who aren't going to vote for trump. the question is whether they're going to come back to biden. the biden campaign has presented that contrast in a sharper way that will hopefully, in their view, resonate by the fall, so when these voters come back to the ballot box, trump scares me or i'm worried about trump. that's the choice they want to present the american public. if they think it's a referendum on trump, they feel like they've got a good chance at winning. >> the guy acts like a 5-year-old. he's making fun of somebody because of stuttering. look what he's been doing for the past signature years. it's all about anger, rage and

dividing america. maybe people thought katie britt was trying to get on lifetime tv. like, is donald trump trying to get a job at -- what are those medieval places people go? medieval times! maybe donald trump is trying to get a gig at medieval times. the sacking of the city -- >> stop, stop. >> plunder it. seriously how stupid can you be? >> i'm not sure. >> he is that stupid. >> that was not a full house at mar-a-lago. there was a lot of echoing in the room. not a big crowd. he usually has the room packed, doesn't he? >> not this year. >> peter baker, you're also

writing about president biden's foreign policy. and this interesting parallel of providing munitions to israel in support of their pushing back on the aggressor hamas, but also providing food and aid to the people in gaza, the innocent civilians caught in the middle of this. while it actually does represent everything biden stand for in his foreign policy, it is a very delicate balance. how long can he navigate it this way? >> it's a good question. obviously it's something nobody is satisfied with right now. people are very concerned about civilian casualties and the humanitarian crisis in gaza. they see these air drops and even the temporary pier as temporary stopgaps.

as a matter of substance, as a matter of actual numbers, it's hard to match the trucks that can come in if the land route is open. air drops don't match what's not coming in on the ground. president biden is looking at what's happening there and seeing the destitution, deprivation and feeling pressure here at home from his own party to do something. where they want to go is to find a way to get to a ceasefire and a deal on hostages. we saw a lot of pressure over the weekend in his relationship with prime minister netanyahu. after the state of the union address where he expressed sympathy for palestinians, he was caught on a hot mic saying he's going to have a come to

jesus meeting with netanyahu. prime minister netanyahu pushed back of course in that interview with politico. it's unclear where it goes from here. both prime minister netanyahu and president biden have very different points of view about where this war should go and very different politics at home. >> the biden camp has momentum right now. they feel good and they expect a bounce in the polls soon accompanying this. peter just outlined a worry spot abroad in gaza. special counsel robert her testifying about his report into the mishandling of classified documents. the white house believes there were some gratuitous and hurtful comments about the president's

memory, declaring him an old man. take us behind closed doors here. what does the white house plan to do tomorrow in response to her? >> i think there's a lot of frustration on this that will bubble over. particularly, there's some concern within the biden operation that this hearing will come just days after biden had that strong performance at the state of the union. tomorrow the hearing this report the special counsel wrote that biden was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. that's a concern for biden supporters, for the biden campaign. that will be on display again in realtime. it's unclear how much robert hur is is going to get into this report past special counsel hearing. the special counsel has largely deferred to the report and explained the process. we'll see both criticisms from republicans and democrats,

republicans for hur not pursuing charges and democrats potentially going after him about what the biden white house said are gratuitous comments. obviously democrats have made clear they don't want to play up these accusations too much to give robert hur an opportunity to expand on what he put in that report. i think we'll see some real rapid response from the biden campaign and the white house trying to push back against republican allegations and criticism of the president. but it is quite the one-two punch from the state of the union to reverting back to conversations about the president's age and memory. obviously a hearing on capitol hill televised puts that right back in the center. >> you've done a lot of reporting on the white house strategies when it comes to donald trump. in what is expected to be a

tight election, it's third-party candidates that could be a wildcard in this. what's your reporting on how the biden campaign is going to deal with robert kennedy jr. or cornell west? do they have plans? >> the thing to watch right now are these three big blue wall states, michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. will those independent candidates get on the ballot there? i've heard democrats say if you see those independent candidates on those ballots, they're in real trouble. it gives an outlet to people who aren't happy with biden but would never vote for trump. there is polling suggesting that robert kennedy jr. may take more from trump at the moment than from biden. that's possible. but even a handful of people to cornell west or especially the

no-labels candidate, that could make a big difference. in florida in 2000 ralph nader won 90,000 votes. you could see how much a third-party candidate can make a difference in these swing states. what is the biden campaign doing about it? i haven't heard much about it. obviously they need to find a way to diffuse these candidates. that's a big concern right now among democrats across the country. >> peter baker and tyler pager, thank you very much for your reporting. congress is advancing legislation that aims to crack down on tiktok. the bill calls for the chinese-owned parent company bytedance to divest itself of the app. if not, tiktok will be banned

from all u.s. web hosting services and app stores. the full house is set to vote on the measure on wednesday. president biden has said he would sign the measure if it passes both chambers. >> donald trump told andrew ross sorkin that tiktok is a national security threat, but said banning the app would boost support for facebook, which he says is, quote, the enemy of the people. let's bring in andrew and see if he ch actually survived that interview. you missed it earlier, but we played clips from donald trump this weekend where he appears to be trying out for medieval times talking about the sacking of our cities. it's all exciting if you're a medieval times actor. you heard about the enemy of the people. he also called the press criminal this is weekend. >> he's on a roll.

>> he's channelling orban all right. let's ask about tiktok. what is the likelihood that both houses of congress and joe biden will sign a bill to ban tiktok unless they divest themselves from interests that are controlled by the chinese communist party? >> i think increasingly high. you really do have this bipartisan support and the president supports it too. we put the question to former president trump about this. he was the one who began this effort, calling it a national security risk, only to change his view in the last several weeks, in part, maybe because president biden is now on sides with him, if you will. if it's a national security threat, it's a national security threat. if it's not, it's not. there is still a fair debate to be had about that. you can think about it in a

broader context. would we let a foreign country, an adversary, own television affiliates around the country? we probably would not. under that pretense, you could suggest maybe this is the right decision. having said that, it's going to take a long time. i'm sure certain things will go to courts and other things. there's also, by the way, a huge protest vote from so many people around the country who are tiktok addicts, who love tiktok. by the way, tiktok made a push out to its users on that front, which is also something that i think offended a bunch of people in washington just to show the power of tiktok as well. >> i mean, would we allow the chinese communist party to run one of the major networks? no. would we allow the chinese

communist party to own a cable news site? you just go down the line. >> those organizations can be sued. >> in this case, though, it's even more dangerous, i believe, because you're talking about algorithms, algorithms that push certain political views towards younger americans, towards less educated people, towards those that the communist chinese party -- i can't believe i'm even saying this. the chinese communist party has an open door into millions of americans' phones and they're feeding them propaganda pushed by algorithms that we don't understand. >> if you really look at the algorithms pushing people beyond polarizing them, one of the reasons i think president trump is in favor of keeping tiktok in

service is because it is pushing a lot of content towards people to suggest that president trump is the right choice and president biden is the wrong choice, and that is one of the republicans he is all of a sudden a fan of tiktok. i think that plays a huge role in this. >> fascinating. 2016, vladimir putin wanted to have a big influence in the election, did it through, of course, lies and disinformation. now trump wants the communist chinese party. he loves xi. even during the early days of covid, he said xi is so transparent, the american people thank you, president xi. now he's telling president xi, have the communist chinese government have even more power. by controlling the minds of our youth, controlling the minds of

uneducated americans. it's fascina fascinating. >> i know i'm going to get cancelled for saying this. >> oh no. >> there's one point that is worth making. it is not yet clear there is direct evidence that even if tiktok is pushing more president trump stuff than president biden stuff or whatever it is, that the chinese government itself is the one that is deciding that the algorithm is supposed to do that yet. the truth is, if you talk to national security experts, they would suggest it's not clear that they're pushing one thing or the other, but they could. it's the possibility more that they could rather than they do today. i think that's one of the reasons that content has become so polarizing, is because people are lingering on it. any time you linger on any video

on tiktok, the algorithm says you like this, we're going to show you more of it because you're going to stay on this platform longer. >> this concern goes well beyond the 2024 election. it's a concern i had well before the 2024 election. you have the communist chinese party that has a vested interest in algorithms pushed by tiktok to american youth that twist and distort their views on things. look what's happened with israel and hamas and all the false videos, everything that the chinese communist government was pushing through tiktok on younger americans. there have been articles detailing it in full. mika, again, why does donald trump want the communist chinese government to have this much control over our youth? it's a fair question. >> seems to be part of some sort of strange plan. andrew ross sorkin, thank you

very much. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> hello, emily. >> well, a bit of a frosty hello. >> not at all, no. i'm just happy we can finally put this "barbenheimer" rivalry behind us. >> that's right. ken and kitty leaving all that fodder in the dust. and the way it's turned out wasn't that much of a rivalry. so just let it go. >> it's true. you guys are doing very well. congratulations. >> thanks. [ laughter ] >> you know, i think i kind of figured out why they call it "barbenheimer" and why they don't call it oppenbarbie. >> why. >> because you were riding

barbie's coattails all summer. >> thanks for ken-splaining that to me. mr. i need to paint my abs onto get nominated. >> this is insane, emily. this has got to stop. we have to squash this. >> barbie star ryan gosling and oppenheimer star emily blunt about the rivalry of last summer's top blockbusters, next on "morning joe." blockbusters, on "morning joe.

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♪♪ so fun. >> ryan gosling performing "i'm just ken" at the academy awards. it was oppenheimer that was the big winner of the night, taking home best picture and stars earning best actor and best supporting actor respectively. in all, the film won seven awards, the most of the night. meanwhile e emma stone won second best actor award of her career and da'vine joy won best

supporting actress for "the holdovers." >> and you actually saw most of those movies. >> i have. >> let's bring in matthew belloni and chloe melas. thank you so much for being with us. matthew, we heard the back and forth on the "barbenheimer" rivalry. there is no doubt that another massive night in awards season for oppenheimer and how exciting for christopher nolan. also cillian murphy had a great night all around. >> yeah. i think this show will be remembered for two things. one, the oppenheimer dominance. this has been predicted all the way back in july. this movie was the favorite in july and kept the momentum all

through awards season, which you rarely see. second, i think it will be remembered for the ken performance. that's the moment that went viral of the night. those two things really encapsulated movies in 2023, "barbie" and "oppenheimer." >> ryan gosling, the guy should just host the oscars. there are so many great moments from him. if you're on youtube for more than three or four seconds, you'll see the back and forth with him and one star after another through the years, whether it's brad pitt or others. man, he really owned that moment. also, emma stone, a bit of a surprise. man, she wins it again. >> yeah. that was the big question of the night. the other races were pretty much

decided. people knew who was going to win. it was between emma stone "in poor things" and lily gladstone in "killers of the flower moon." "poor things" had momentum with the academy. it won a lot of the crafts awards like costume design and production design. once they got to her, it was a coronation for that movie. "poor things" started out as kind of a favorite of the academy and it won a lot of baftas at the british awards. then it got to the oscars and i believe they ended up with five wins. >> certainly a huge night for "oppenheimer" including robert downey jr.'s first victory. his acceptance speech was darkly funny in some ways.

>> it really was the speeches. you needed your kleenex right next to you. it started with da'vine joy randolph saying thank you for those that took a chance on me early on in my career. she was fantastic in "the holdovers." she studied at yale, oxford. she has been working on this craft for 37 years and finally recognized. yes, robert downey jr. saying thank you to my terrible childhood and then the academy, in that order. the awards season in general has not really focused on politics so much even though we're gearing up for this general election. you haven't heard much about ukraine and israel and gaza, but you did last night. we had jonathan glazer addressing the israel/hamas war

head on and talking about gaza and the inhumane treatment of the people there. he said i wish to be able to exchange this for russia never attacking ukraine, never attacking our cities. he said he would trade his oscar in exchange for peace. then you had people wearing red lapel pins calling for a ceasefire. the show was delayed because of protests on the streets right outside of the dolby protesting the war. it didn't take over the entire night. then you had kimmel come out and call out trump. the audience thought it was funny. >> four of the winners from last night were recent guests on our show. >> for oppenheimer i chose to shoot large format film, imax

film. we want to put that story up on the biggest screen possible, bring people together and have them go through this man's extraordinary experiences. >> to the academy, just to say movies are just a little bit over 100 years old. imagine being there 100 years into painting or theater. we don't know where this incredible journey is going from here, but to know that you think i'm a meaningful part of it means the world to me. thank you very much. >> i think resentment underneath it perhaps, the fact that more people aren't familiar with who he is nowadays i don't think would sit well with him. >> what we do is meaningful, and the stuff that we decide to make is important. >> it was an absolute gift. i didn't expect it. i know the way chris works and what hehe level of excellence he demands. >> we made a film about the man

who created the atomic bomb. i would like to dedicate this to the peacemakers everywhere. >> he hides just to catch some connection under the bombs falling. it was terrible, but there was always a feeling of importance because people kept telling us, please show to the world what is happening. >> probably i will be the first director on this stage to say i wish i never made this film. i wish to be able to exchange this to russia never attacking ukraine, never occupying our cities. >> oh my god, that was the director whose film "20 days in

mariupol" won for best documentary. before that was was christopher nolan, robert downey jr. and cillian murphy. >> let's talk about a movie that after it first came out, i got several calls from very powerful people in hollywood saying, i've just seen one of the most extraordinary films. it was martin scorsese's "killers of the flower moon." this was months before it came out. the buzz was just overwhelming. we interviewed martin here. i'm sure he believed as did lily gladstone and a lot of people believed it was going to do extremely well during the awards season. it didn't. what happened? >> that is one of the big mysteries of the season is the

lack of support for "killers of the flower moon." i really think the length was an issue. most filmmakers would like their films to be 3 1/2 hours. they cut them back. scorsese didn't. it felt for a number of voters like a slog. it's an amazing movie, but most people edit, and he did not. leo dicaprio did not show up last night at the show. the big one they had was lily gladstone against emma stone and they lost that and ended up with nothing. >> we the famous best picture

mixup one year, the chris rock slap. reviews have been mixed for jimmy kimmel. give us a big picture about this moment in oscars, which benefitted this year for the first time in a while with big hits being nominated. >> it felt deeply personal. last night just felt like an ode to hollywood filmmakers. you didn't have that booming voice of god. you had more smooth transitions. it felt more modern. what was really great is they brought out the former winners in the acting categories to present these. jimmy kimmel, yes, some of his jokes were clunky, but he is a safe choice for the academy. this was one of those nights where it wasn't a 10 out of 10, but it was close. they were saying they were going to end on time at 10:00, and it

ran over even though they started an hour earlier. they still could not manage to keep the show within three hours. it still ran long, but that's the oscars for you. >> every year. >> a lot of really big personalities that sometimes won't stop talking. >> i'm looking at you, mika. >> chloe melas and matthew belloni, thank you both very much. our next gust was hired by donald trump's 2020 campaign to find voter fraud. ken block joins us with the data that shows why trump lost. we're back in a moment. why tru. we're back in a moment this is our future, ma. godaddy airo. creates a logo, website, even social posts... in minutes! -how? -a.i.

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lately they haven't been rigged because i'm winning by so much. the radical left democrats rigged the presidential election in 2020 and we're not going to allow them to rig the presidential election in 2024. >> he's so transparently stupid to say the polls are only rigged when i'm behind. when i'm ahead, the polls are accurate. i don't know how stupid he thinks his people are, but i will say one of president biden's, i think, most important lines, if you actually believe in this thing we call democracy, which donald trump doesn't and victor orban doesn't, one of the most important lines is, you have to believe in democracy even when you lose. that was a line even mike johnson had to clap for. it's so sick that you have donald trump and his extreme followers saying, if we win in

the polls, then we'll accept it, but if we don't, we'll start a civil war. again, you look at some of the clips that vaughn hilliard had at a trump rally, it's frightening that there are people out there who say we've win democratic elections or we go on a rampage and start killing state legislators and members of congress . they tried it january 6th, and they're saying it to an open mic in 2024. >> i was so embarrassed for the republicans during president biden's speech when he was talking about january 6th. i just don't understand. we're really going to argue this? i don't think so. >> same people who were fearing for their life and hiding. >> nearly four years after the 2020 presidential election donald trump is still claiming, without evidence, that the vote

was rigged against him. joining us is ken block, an elections technology expert, who was hired by trump. it's the trump 2020 campaign to find voter fraud. his new book entitled "disproven, my unbiased search for voter fraud for the trump campaign." how interesting. >> it's such an important book. >> thank you for writing it. >> it reiterates what 63 federal courts found and the united states supreme court as well. talk about this process. the trump campaign hired you, said find voting irregularirreg. >> i was asked to data mine for voter fraud to look for dead people casting ballots, to look for people casting ballots in two different states, the same

person taking two bites of the apple. we found some, but not nearly enough to have caused a change in the election results. by the way, i didn't think i was going to find substantial evidence of that kind of voter fraud, and i told the campaign before i signed my contract with them that i would be surprised if we found it, but i would do my best to look. much more importantly were the claims of voter fraud that other people brought to the attention of the white house that came to the campaign, the attention of the campaign and the attorneys i reported to in the campaign did their due diligence. they didn't want to be part of a lawsuit that had a foundation of false information. i of false information. i looked at probably 15 to 20 different claims of voter fraud, and for each and every one of them, i was able to show and prove why those claims were false. >> ken, as we gear up for kind of the next round of this, and

there is again the possibility that after the next election you'll be called up -- perhaps it won't be you anymore since you've written this book, but somebody is going to be called up and asked, can you troll through this because we don't believe the election was fair and it was stolen from us. what can we do in the systems to prevent this from happening whenever there's a close election in the u.s., now that the kind of taboo is being launched that you don't have to accept the election result. are there things we can do to tighten this system up? >> very much so. we conduct our elections as if we lived 100 years ago. yes, we have computers and things in play now, but each state handles its own voter registration. the states do not in total cooperate with each other to make sure that duplicate registered voters don't have active registrations in two different places. some states do a good job of removing deceased voters from the rolls. others do an absolutely terrible job at it. so the unevenness of the way our

elections are implemented from state to state to state really mean we don't have great election integrity. now, a lot of people use the word election integrity. what they're really talking about with slightly hidden intent is election denialism. i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the need for us to have a cohesive election, especially for congress and presidential elections where our elections are conducted similarly in the states, and i can give shocking examples of how a voter's experience can be different from state to state and sometimes county to county in our country. >> ken, congrats on an important book here. we just, as we came into this block, it's very clear donald trump is going to do this again. if he were to lose, he's going to claim there is voter fraud. he's going to make wild accusations with little to no proof. yes, there will be people like

you who step up and try to find it, but a lot of his supporters aren't going to believe that. what are some of the things we right now, before the election, can do to safeguard the ballot box but also change public perception of whether these elections are free and fair? >> it will be very difficult to change public perception in the short amount of time we have between now and the election, especially when president trump is still messaging furiously about the nature of our elections and his contention that the elections were fraudulent. i wrote this book for a couple reasons. i wrote it because i knew my materials had already shown up in the january 6th deposition transcripts, and all my materials had been subpoenaed by both jack smith's investigation in d.c. and fani willis' in georgia. with this information being in the public sphere, i felt it was very important to talk about it with the right framing, my framing about what it meant, how

it came about and, most importantly, a thorough explanation for all these claims of fraud that were false. just because we have many, many, many claims of fraud, that doesn't mean there's fraud. the claims have to have some basis in truth, and i have yet to see any claim of fraud based on data that was true. and all the other claims we hear are just hearsay. >> the new book is entitled "disproven: my unbiased search for voter fraud for the trump campaign. the data shows how we lost and how we can improve our elections." it goes on sale tomorrow. ken block, thank you very much for coming on the show and thank you for providing the book. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. coming up, we'll dig into why the princess of wales, kate middleton is apologizing for a family photo that's causing a lot of controversy. we'll explain next on "morning joe." >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go!

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before we go, several news agencies have removed a new photo of the princess of wales, kate middleton and her children due to suspicions of manipulation of the photo. kensington palace released the picture yesterday, but many outlets quickly removed it flagging concerns about authenticity. the associated press noted, quote, the photo shows an inconsistency in the alignment of princess charlotte's left hand and the princess of wales responded this morning writing on social media, like many amateur photographers, i do occasionally experiment with editing. it wanted to express my apologies for any confusion the family photograph we shared yesterday caused. this was the first photo of kate that the palace has put out since she had unspecified abdominal surgery in january. katty, your thoughts? is there anything more you can add to this? we still don't know how sick she

is. >> no. this didn't go as planned, right? it was put out to coincide with british mother's day. they hoped this would reassure the british public that kate is well, she had her surgery and her recovery is on progress. it's been taken up with this firestorm. they've had to issue this apology. it's about trust, right? trust is the currency of the realm at the moment. this doesn't go well with trust with the british public. >> a lot of questions about people not seeing her as much. >> and charles. >> we'll have more on this tomorrow. that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," the intenifying race for the white house. president biden on a campaign swing this week as hisiv