i just got a review, and has there ever been a worse host than jimmy kimmel at the oscars. blah blah blah, make america great again. see if you can see which former president just posted that. thank you for watching. isn't it past your jail time? >> jimmy kimmel with the last word at the oscars. clapping back at a mean tweet by trump who critiqued kimmel's performance on truth social. kimmel ended the night by showcasing another famous feud, showing the dog from the film anatomy of a fall tending to matt damon's star on the hollywood walk of fame, just before the credits rolled. that does it for me. be sure to catch the katie phang shows saturdays on msnbc. "the reidout" with joy reid is

up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> and like any mom, i'm going to do a pivot out of nowhere into a shockingly violent story about sex trafficking. and rest assured, every detail about it is real, except the year, where it took place, and who was president when it happened. >> snl turns to scarlett johansson to mock alabama senator katie britt's wildly misleading screed on immigration. but the truth is, immigration reform has failed again and again because of the right-wing echo chamber from rush limbaugh to donald trump. meanwhile, donald trump is again lavishing praise on his autocratic role models because he really, really, really wants that kind of power for himself. but we begin tonight with a

big lie. no, not the big lie. another lie. something that we heard in senator katie britt's response to president biden's state of the union address last week. now, you remember during the alabama senator's rather odd remarks, there was this moment when things got really, really dark. >> i traveled to the del rio sector of texas. that's where i spoke to a woman who shared her story with me. she had been sex trafficked by the cartels starting at the age of 12. this is the united states of america. and it is past time in my opinion that we start acting like it. president biden's border policies are a disgrace. >> now, while she does not explicitly say when and where these events took place, it's heavily implied it happened on president biden's watch. which turns out not to be the

case at all. as journalist jonathan katz uncovered this weekend, not only did thee atrocities take place in mexico and not in the united states, they happened between 2004 and 2008, when the american president was george w. bush. the victim in this story, carla romero, even spoke out after britt's lies were exposed, telling cnn, quote, i hardly ever cooperate with politicians because it seems to me that they only want an image, they only want a photo, and that to me is not fair, unquote. but beyond just misleading the public on that story, something else senator britt also forgot to mention is her own party's role in blocking immigration related legislation over the past several decades. now, i'm old enough to remember when comprehensive immigration reform was actually a very normie republican policy goal in the ronald reagan, george herbert walker bush era. in november 1986, president

reagan signed into law the bipartisan immigration reform and control act of 1986, better known as the simpson mizoly act named for a democratic congressman of kentucky and republican senator alan simpson of wyoming. a bill that granted literal and immediate amnesty to any immigrant who had arrived in the u.s. prior to january 1st, 1982. some 2 million people. while making it illegal to knowingly hire undocumented migrants going forward. that was an acceptable and normal republican position in 1986. but ever since then, there has been a right-wing war on immigration reform, driven not by republican politicians but rather by another thing that came out of the 1980s, besides lifestyles of the rich and famous and donald trump. right-wing talk radio. led by its biggest star, rush limbaugh. whose nationally syndicated show first aired two years before the

simpson mizoly bill in 1984. and when fox news, roger ailes' right wing propaganda operation joined the fray in 1986, the incentive structure of the republican party just fundamentally changed. by 2007, the george w. bush administration and a bipartisan group of senators reached a deal on an immigration bill that would have created a path to citizenship for the millions of post-1986 undocumented immigrants living in america. as well as a new temporary working program and stricter border security. many thought this would be the big legislative achievement of bush's presidency, until this happened. >> we heard that there was a bipartisan consensus of immigration. bipartisan and it was all good. president bush was signing on and republicans, and we had ted kennedy was happy. that's all i needed to hear.

it had been left up to the major news networks or the regular cable networks, this would have been a done deal. this was signed, sealed, and delivered right at the rio grande for us. well, it turned out that talk radio and the internet energized the people. >> right wing cable tv and radio hosts like laura ingraham as well as lou dobbs and especially rush limbaugh trashed the bill, blanketing the airwaves and rallying their largely white male audiences against the bill until hard liners in congress who were likely also hard core consumers of right wing media along with their voters killed it the tirely. almost the same thing happened six years later when president obama was in office. that's when the gang of eight was formed, a bipartisan group of senators who came together to finally get immigration reform done. the group included big names in the republican party like john mccain, lindsey graham, and was

led by marco rubio, a cuban american and the party's new tea party star. the latino obama, the media crowed, hyping him up as the republicans' potential first latino president. "the new york times" reported as part of the sales pitch, rubio went on limbaugh's show to try to sell him on the bill, and rubio along with chuck schumer went so far as to meet with rupert murdoch and roger ailes to tray to persuade them to keep fox's on-air personalities from savaging the legislation and give it a fighting chance at survival. apparently, they were unsuccessful, as that is exactchy what wound up happening. several conservative media figures even signed on to a letter opposing this bill. once again, it died in congress. fast forward to today. and we shouldn't be surprised that yet another bipartisan border bill was killed by d.c. republicans, including the aforementioned alabama senator katie britt who was part of the

team that negotiated the very conservative immigration bill that house speaker mike johnson is now refusing to bring to the floor, all because the new rush limbaugh, donald trump, told him he wants to run on the issue instead of letting his party solve it. even though he was literally the president for four years and didn't pass any immigration reform at all. not even during the two years when republicans controlled the house, the senate, and the white house. joining me now is michael steele, former chairman of the rnc, cohost of the weekend right here on msnbc, and host of the michael steele podcast, and maria teresa kumar. where to begin. i'm going to start with you, michael, because you like me probably remember this history but you had been a republican that whole time. talk to me about how your party went from ronald reagan and george herbert walker bush saying -- george herbert walker bush was for giving immigrants

ids, and how do we get here? >> a lot of it is talk radio, but it's also what was happening and bubbling beneath the surface across the country in conservative circles. so talk radio was able to amplify and push that out. to give it the sort of national voice it only had maybe on a local or even a regional level. disjointed, not wholly connected. but limbaugh, ingram, all thee other foams began to create that echo chamber, a better way to put it, in which these sounds reverberated. so when you had the traditional stalwarts of republicanism, conservative republicanism, who believe fundamentally in a couple things. oh, freedom and liberty and you know, all of those gateway opportunities for the newly

arrived immigrants, even if they came illegally, that was the thrust of what bush was trying to accomplish. to say okay, we recognize since reagan this has become broken. here, let's fix it. the gang of eight, the same thing. sort of picking up where the 2006 effort failed. and at each turn, those anti-immigrant republicans cut the deal in half, broke it apart to the point where it was not salvageable. but here's the rub, in everything you just said in this very important intro, not one time did you mention that laura ingraham had anything to offer on immigration reform. what was her reform? you can be against people who don't look like you coming to your country or your neighborhood, but you got to put something up to tell us, okay, what's your plan. and every time republicans in it party try to move towards a plan, it has been that same

segment, the sort of anti-immigrant, that's the only way you can put it. i mean, build a wall. that's anti-immigrant. we don't want you here. we don't want you to step on the soil. okay, fine, what's your alternative? every time there's nothing on the table that's offered. you're rightly noting that happened during the four years of trump, nothing. >> let me just -- 2007, they did a pew study during the george w. bush time when katie britt was talking about. coverage of immigration increased dramatically, the top story in 8% of news papers. fourth place online, third biggest network story, second biggest cable story and the biggest story on the radio between may 17th and june 28. conservative radio hosts devoted 31% of their news time coverage to literally immigration. and when you think about what they were angry about, mtk, it was fear of a brown planet. it was the demographics because

the chamber of commerce part of the republican party understood they need these migrants' labor. it was the fear of you. they don't like people who look like you, right? >> let's level. by that time, it was absolutely too late. by that time, all the american babies born of immigrants had already been born. and they were reading the same things that voters latino were reading. by 2010, 52% of u.s. population growth was attributed to the birth of american children from immigrants. and that's what scared them. you know what didn't scare them? the cheap labor, the cheap prices. >> right. >> the ability to be able to exploit people to make sure their business were thriving. that didn't scare them. so we need to once again as we're going into this really chaotic electoral season remind people that what britt was trying to peddle after the state of the union was what trump was

peddling and what these folks were peddling. that is gaslighting the american people, not telling them the truth, because they felt that they wanted to live in sound bites, but through fear and intimidation. we talked about this before. remember the anxiety everybody felt under trump? the fear that people felt under trump. that is what he's trying to do once again, and that's what she said, i'm okay signing up for that. i'm okay with that. but at the end of the day, if we are to be honest with each other, one of the reasons that america has always been able to thrive is because of the labor that comes into this country, even today, when people keep talking about the recession that never was, it's in large part because of the essential worker who have been here for 10, 20, 15 years. but also for the recently arrived that are getting work visas, temporary stat, until they figure out what the process finally is. and if there is a real reason to try to fix immigration reform, it's so we can get back to the

people's business. because this idea that people are crossing and -- they're crossing because they want to work. we all benefit from that. and i do encourage, one of the things that did not make news that should have was the vice president in vegas where they launched that official campaign, voto latino officially endorsed the president and vice president, but for the very first time, what we heard on that launch was they want to seek citizenship for dreamers but also for their parents and their families. that's huge. because these individuals have been paying billions and billions of taxes and one of the reasons we never had the recession was because they were able to invest in the united states while other people chose to stay home. >> they were propping up social security. they're propping up social security, literally. and really quickly -- >> when we didn't want to go outside. so when people say essential workers, essential for who? for thriving american

businesses. >> it was the reason that people could order food to come to your home, because the essential workers were actually in the g the food.l working in the doing all of the food to make sure you could eat. they were still working in the fields making sure there was food. quickly, michael steele, when you have somebody as conservative as senator langford saying he was threatened by a radio personality that they would destroy him, and he's saying yes, yes, yes, when biden is saying this was a conservative bill that was good, and he's mouthing yes, and yet, you know, he's being openly threatened and the guy bragged about it. a radio host in his home state said, yeah, i threatened him. how do we get republicans to do what they're asking for? immigration reform? >> they won't do it. as long as it is a political weapon that can be used against the latino community in this country, whether they're documented or undocumented, it doesn't matter. there will be no reform unless

the american people decide to change the makeup of the congress, the senate. and to put people in place who actually want to get this done. my party unfortunately has shown its hand. it has said in the face of giving a democratic president a bill that he would sign, a very conservative bill, one that had stuff that trump wanted when he was president, and they said no, and the conservative senator who led that bill is threatened, that tells you how unserious they are about it. >> indeed. michael steele, marisa teresa kumar, thank you. up next on "the reidout," a new book reveals stunning new details on just how much trump looks up to dictators. the author, jim sciutto, joins me next. me next. enamel is gone, you cannot get it back. but you can repair it with pronamel repair. it penetrates deep into the tooth to actively repair acid weakened enamel. i recommend pronamel repair. with new pronamel repair mouthwash you can enhance that repair beyond brushing. they work great together.

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donald trump has a thing for tyrants. which explains why hungarian leader viktor orban was invited to trump's mar-a-lago home where he received a hero's welcome. >> there's nobody that's better, smarter, or a better leader than viktor orban. he's fantastic. as you know, the prime minister of hungary. and a great guy. he's a noncontroversial figure because he said that's the way it's going to be, and that's the end of it. he's the boss. a great leader.

>> trump's embrace or maybe jealousy of dictitators is brought up once again by jim sciutto who talked to former advisers including john kelly and former national security adviser john bolton. multiple -- for multiple former advisers told sciutto that to trump, orban is fantastic. shejinping is fantastic, and kim jong-un is an okay guy. trump even had favorable words for adolf hitler saying he, quote, did some good things like rebuilding the economy. joining me now is jim sciutto, cnn anchor and national security analyst and author of "the return of great powers, russia, china, and the next world war" which comes out tomorrow. congratulations on the book. welcome to the other side of the aisle from cnn. thank you for joining us. all of that seems pretty shocking. what did general kelly and others say was their response when trump would praise these dictators like kim jong-un and particularly when he praised hitler?

>> listen, they were appalled. john kelly, here is a retired marine general. he had to remind then-president trump that 400,000 americans died in war against hitler's nazi germany. he had to remind him of that. he had to in effect correct trump's imagined history here, because trump in saying that hitler did some good things, he said well, he rebuilt his economy. and kelly would say to him, yeah, he rebuilt his economy to go to war with the rest of europe, including your very own country. then he said, but his generals were loyal to him, unlike my generals, as he liked to say, you, general kelly, and others. and kelly had to correct him of that, too. well, actually, in fact mr. president, hitler's generals tried to assassinate him. so there's a consistent not just appalling admiration for hitler, we don't have to explain why that's a bad thing, but also just a misunderstanding of who

hitler was and what he did, and that's something that extends to trump's praise for today's despots, whether it's xi jinping or vladimir putin or viktor orban. >> did any of these men ever consider resigning in protest and telling all in the administration? >> it's a great question. of course, i spoke to john kelly, i spoke to john bolton who was his national security adviser. they all left eventually. they were not public with this at the time. they are public with it now, and i suppose we should give them credit for that. they're speaking honestly, and when i peek to kelly and speak to bolton, they say in very uncertain terms to me, beware a second trump term. they say what he attempted to do in his first temp, he will follow through on in his second, including leaving nato. he has no interest in nato or u.s. allies that belong to nato. he has no interest in defending nato allies. does not see that in america's interests. and the same for a place like

taiwan. they have all said to me, taiwan should be worried if trump is president because trump would not come to taiwan's defense. november is a big choice for americans on many fronts, as we know. but as far as the world is concerned, it would be a 180-degree turn from how the u.s. has dealt with these countries for decades. democratic and republican presidents. >> let me just for the audience, just to fyi, this is how viktor orban described donald trump's ukraine policy. orban told state media donald trump will not fund ukraine's fight against russia's invasion if he's elected president again. he will not give a penny in the war, that's why the war will end. do these advisers believe, i know the book is out, and i guess you're in communication with them, feel that donald trump's plan is to have russia consume ukraine? >> 100%, and tay say it in the book. when i spoke to them, kelly, bolton, and others, they said

ukraine should be worried as well. he will stop aid to yuk. he does not consider it a priority, and there's another facet of this, which i find fascinating and also concerning, is that trump imagines just purely by force of personality that he can somehow correct america's relationships with russia or with a china. but in doing so, he misunderstands what russia and china want. i spoke for this book and traveled around the world for it, from western europe to eastern europe to the baltic to ukraine to taiwan around asia. china and russia do not want to see a strong america. they want to see a weaker america. they want to tear down the system imperfect system since world war iii god knows it's imperfect, but it's generally kept the peace, generally avoided world wars. they want to tear that down because they don't see it in their interest. trump may imagine that he can correct that, but these are strategic interests of china and russia. it's not going to change with

donald trump in the oval office, and in fact, his own former advisers believe that they will take advantage of him. that's the other misunderstanding. >> that's the question i wanted to get to. do these advisers believe trump sees himself as a junior partner to somebody like vladimir putin? that he would essentially be the apprentice, that he doesn't see himself as leading this group of autocrats but as essentially a minion of theirs? >> he sees himself as strong. john kelly said, bolton said this as well, he sees himself as a tough guy. even though they in their experience say he has shown no evidence of that. again, these are republicans who served him in a senior level. they did not see any evidence of the toughness that trump seems to be convinced of, and again, that's based on being in the room with him as major decisions were being made. so while trump might imagine that he would be leading the parade as it will, the putins and xis of the world see him as

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when a jury awarded writer e. jean carroll $83.3 million in

the second defamation ruling against donald trump, it was done in part to deter him from any future defamatory comment against ms. carroll, but it appears that figure is not high enough to shut him up. over the weekend and again this morning trump repeated the same defamatory comments. >> i just posted a $91 million bond. $91 million, on a fake story, totally made up story. based on false accusations made about me by a woman that i knew nothing about, didn't know, never heard of. i know nothing about her. >> i got charged. i was given a false accusation. and had to post a $91 million bond on a false accusation. >> in response to whether those comments could lead to a third defamation case, carroll's lawyer roberta kaplan told nbc news the statute of limitations for defamation in most jurisdictions is between one and three years. as we said, after the last jury verdict, we continue to monitor every statement that donald trump makes about our client, e.

jean carroll. maybe the reason trump is feeling undeterred is it fact he's not putting up his own money. the bond he put up came by the fralsh insurance company, a subsidiary of the national insurance giant chubb. one might wonder how he convinced a company to cover such a large bond given all of his financial liabilities at the moment. that is still shrouded in mystery. it was not clear from court records what collateral trump presented to obtain the bond. what we know is trump has a history with the company, which has provided him insurance policies in it past, and during his presidency, trump appointed the company's ceo, evan greenberg, to his advisory committee for trade policy and negotiations. maybe it's just friends helping friends. joining me now is harry lipman, former deputy assistant attorney general, senior league affairs columnist for the los angeles times and host of the talking feds podcast.

harry, it seems unusual to me, do we get to find out what if any collateral donald trump put up to get chubb to foot the bill? >> we don't unless it turns out that he doesn't pay it. and there's this provision in there, joy, that says 60 days after chubb has to pay. they have got to pay, and then come after trump. that's a very favorable provision for e. jean carroll so she's not challenging it at all. this new defamation is as clean and solid as they come. really, he's got a kind of tourette's syndrome where e. jean carroll is concerned and he just repeats it. so he could clearly be sued. what that said last time that resulted in the $91 million, how much will it take to make him stop defaming. that question would be redoubled and the amount would be redoubled. chubb's secret.

he got a nice federal position before, but that's a lot -- that's not so much to put $91 million on the line for. and you know, we'll see if it turns out to be at risk or not. if he loses, they got to pay. >> right. you know, he called e. jean carroll ms. bergdorf goodman, mocked her again. what would she have to prove in order to get more money? >> basically nothing because it's already been proven. she would have to prove he was false, that it was false for him to say she made it up. we already have determined that twice over. and he really reiterated the core of the defamation. one, that she made it up. two, that he never even knew her. so really, he's just exactly duplicated what got him into hot water. it would be a layup of a trial. >> let's talk about this attempt by trump to delay yet another trial. this is the hush money trial.

he's now trying to make the claim that he can't have -- he shouldn't have to face this trial and it should be delayed until the absolute immunity claim by the supreme court is decided because somehow or other, getting -- reimbursing the guy he made pay off the porn star is part of his official duties. this seems like a stretch even for clarence thomas and friends. >> bogus three ways over. first, it's activity before he was president. couldn't be official act. second, even more, even if it he had immunity, it doesn't mean you couldn't introduce evidence, which is what he's asking. finally, what would really happen here, if the supreme court decided in his favor, which will never occur, is that they would then have to go some months to figure out how to apply it there so it's a recipe for even a broader delay. but the immunity claim won't go for him, and even if it did, it wouldn't give him any relief here. plus, it happens all the time. there's things happening in the

courts that could change a trial, but that doesn't mean you just stop the wheels of justice. >> i love your positive outlook, but i'm a never say never person when it comes to this particular conservative majority. they'll find a way. they will make it, but we'll see. >> with the trial judge, judge merchant, and i'll take that bet now. >> i'll take that one. harry lipman, thank you, my friend. coming up, senator katie britt's response to the state of the union may have been bizarre, but it wasn't surprising. there's a storied history of the conservative movement including women themselves trying to claw back women's rights and independence and send them straight back to the kitchen. that is up next.

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you have no doubt seen this iconic photo. it is the integration of central high school in little rock, ark a, on september 4th, 1957. the young woman screaming with that twisted hateful look on his face is hazel bryant who was a student at little rock high at the time and an anti-integration activist. the student being screamed at is elizabeth ecfort, one of the little rock nine who integrated the school under the protection of the national guard. here's a fun fact. the anti-racism education tim wise pointed out on his x twitter account. this is a promo pic for the tv

show leave it to beaver. a much beloved program, especially for white conservatives who view it as a nostalgic representation of family life and the ultimate example of a more innocent time. but here's the thing. leave it to beaver premiered on october 4th, 1957, one month to the day after that photo from little rock was taken. america was not innocent. and the evil wasn't only in that heart of hazel bryant or other little rock whites. it was a national sickness. one most whites ignored. cbs aired leave it to beaver about a typical american family and the mishaps of beaver, as ward and june cleaver try to get him out of scrapes. it debuted in a time of tremendous racial and gender upheaval in america. world war i and especially world war ii had put a fire under millions of black americans, as

black men came home from serving in europe with newfound urgency to secure their rights here. the korean war followed in 1950, prolonging the work force disruption that had pushed many white women out of the kitchen and into jobs, to replace their war fighting husbands. meanwhile, the civil rights movement was winning epic court battles culminating in brown v. the board of education in 1954 which ordered the integration of american schools. meaning white families faced the prospect of their kids going to school with black children, and many weren't happy about it. hence the images of white moms and students screaming at black students as they entered all-white schools. for affluent white women, the disruptions were stark. they watched their house mates refuse to board the buses and into work in alabama for a whole year in 1955. black women were often leaving domestic service altogether to also take industrial jobs during the wars or insisting on registering to vote.

many middle class white women meanwhile, particularly those who had gotten jobs during the war, found that they weren't exactly eager to go back to packing lunches and cleaning up after their husbands. so the fight was on to make them go back. and give back the independence that earning their own money rather than relying on an allowance had produced. post-warholy wood enlisted itself in reestablishing normalcy in american society. tv shows portrayed happy housewives completely fulfilled with the task of keeping little beaver out of trouble and making sure ward had his dinner on time. the folks at museum of food and culture write, marketing efforts of the 1950s sold the idea of a happy housewife as one that is efficient, spends money wisely, makes food from scratch, always keeps the house clean, and make it all look effortless. oh, and does all of this while looking gorgeous. and the promotion of this pristine domestic image and women who are fulfilled as

housewives was pushed from all angles. women's magazines featuring household products, the process of employment, the mrs. degree, banking rules, assumptions and judgments, television shows like leave it to beaver, the donna reed show, ozzy and harriet, and more. but change was coming, whether the men of hollywood, madison avenue, and main street liked it or not, all the tupperware parties and girdle commercials in the world weren't going to stop women woo wanted their own money, meaningful work, or access to birth control which came in 1972, the right to abortion, which came via roe v. wade in 1973, and a woman's right to open bank account without a man's signature which women couldn't do until 1974. and here's something i didn't mention at the top. leave it to beaver, that emblematic ark type of the 1950s wasn't a hit at the time. it never cracked the top 30 tv

programs throughout its initial tv run and only became popular as a cult classic rerun in the 1980s when it was more of a parody of the 1950s than an aspirational show. the top shows in the actual 1950s included the george burns and gracy allen show, which showed a married couple who were equals and i love lucy, which portrayed another real-life marriage between a feisty comedian and a latino actor named desy arnez. these shows were indeed about housewives but disruptive, rather than blissful ones. the changes in what women expected from the world, it turns out, were irreversible, but getting women back under control, particularly white women, has been the project of the dominant economic class since the 1950s. and it accelerated during the 1970s, when an impressive woman named phyllis slafly led the conservative cause of convincing women what they really wanted wasn't freedom, independence, or feminism. god forbid an equal rights

amendment to the constitution. no, no, it was good old fashioned domesticity. katie britt is in that tradition, an alabama lawyer and united states senator who would have you believe that she's nothing more than a happy housewife, much like shu laughly was an author and ppowerful speaker who would have you believe the same. the goal to sell women on giving up their hard-won rights and freedoms so that the men can be back in charge. their vehicle, it's called the trad wife trend. my guest tonight will explain what that is after the break. hek ♪ ♪ ♪hey♪ ♪ ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ betmgm is for everyone that loves sports betting. everyone, but tom brady. wait what?! you've won too much, tommy. let others play. so i'm in if i'm not tom brady? you're in. now dog me. what if i used to babysit tom brady

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>> that was alabama senator katie bread. a lawyer and former chief of staff to her senate predecessor talking of her qualifications and last week's republican response to the state of the union address riser alabama colored tommy tuberville put it, she was picked as a housewife, not just as a senator. we are joined by our correspondent and contributor and olivia charlie. executive director of the gun safety group 97%. thanks both for being here. olivia, you are a conservative. i don't know if you're still in the party but you came from the republican party initially. what did you think of it? a lot of republicans hated it. a lot gave very bad reviews. what did you think of her presentation? >> i was horrified. i sat there in shock. first of all, you cannot ignore the kitchen setting. i kept thinking this is how they are going to court women. they already have a problem with women in the republican

party and you choose to put a female senator in the kitchen to deliver probably the most important speech she is giving of her career to date. i thought it was ridiculous. i also thought it was a slap in the face to conservative women. they made a mockery out of her. they chose this rising star as she has been called in the gop, well respected and said that this was a ridiculously easy the way she spoke to it. she wore a cross. it was tragic in so many ways and so insulting, honestly. and just leave. >> there is so much about it. it was giving serena joy green, very dramatic. the very conservative immigration bill that got

tanked. she and langford were coming together. she has an accomplishment she could have talked about. she did not. what she did show us and i would love for you to explain this because you know what the young ones are doing out there on the socials. to me, she was giving the trad- wife trend. i'm not sure if people are familiar with it, but that to me is when she was trying to give. >> this is the idea that house with very in this current century. you are a mother and it's sort of exaggerated. like you grind your own flower. you make your own bread. you homeschool your kids. it's very kind of exaggerated. the idea here is to push women into the kitchen, right? what i think is interesting about watching her was that you really saw policy wise very hard to defend a lot of this stuff. you've got republicans on abortion, women who are having miscarriage is being sent to

parking lot to wait until they are sick enough to get treatment. states trying to ban an iud, the morning-after pill, saying they're going to come after birth control. it is very hard as a woman to defend his policies. behind her telling a trafficking story about something that happened in mexico during the bush administration. >> and her beliefs on abortion means that if that same story happened today, she would expect if the victim got pregnant, she would ask ask them to give birth and she gave that horrible story and i wanted to yell through the tv yes, ma'am. that's why people want to have an exception at minimum because if a 12-year-old had that happen to them, katie bread would say you've got to have the baby. let me play one more thing because there is another person who is doing this game of trying to attract women in weird ways. here's nancy mays defending her support to donald trump.

>> you were trying to shame me this morning and i find it offensive. this is why women won't come forward. >> they won't come forward because they're defamed by those who perpetrate rape >> they are judged and shamed. you're trying to shame and it is disgusting. it took me 25 years to tell my story. i was still judged for it and i am today. i am explaining it and you are shaming me for my political choices. >> i'm asking you why you endorse this. >> it's not a criminal court. >> she's been very brave and talking about being a rape survivor. the idea that she is having to walk the plank for trump who has 26 some odd accusers and is now an adjudicated sexual abuse are at minimum is to be offensive that the republican party would make her walk that plank. yet there she is walking it willingly. >> even more appalling that she would walk it willingly.

that's what is so outrageous here. it's taken her this long. she's spoken out with courage on this issue and then she caves only to support donald trump. that's the bottom line here. that's why she's walking it back. so what's the definition here? you know, it's horrible, it's awful. we should be standing against it. unless it's a candidate that i have to support because i'm in the republican party and then i'm going to walk it back and going to try to flip the narrative. seriously just asking very factual questions and trying to understand the reasoning. so explain it to us then, nancy mays. explain it to us across the country and american women your stance because i don't understand it. quite frankly i think it is so infuriating to watch and to double down on it which is what she has done.

she's been doubling down on that and trying to turn the tables on george saying that he was offensive, that he is shaming her. no. you are shaming all women but the fact that you were walking back all the history and his standing up for donald trump. >> she said the word you are shaming me 22 times. she said offensive 13 times. he was asking a very obvious, logical question. the last thing i will give you is that she turned around and mocked e. jean carroll and her response at her survival. so this is how your selling women on voting republican? i don't see it. >> they are in a very tough position because they have to defend the misogynistic policies and then they have to defend you know the president with all the allegations. or the candidate. >> indeed, thank you both