place at the table. i don't know how this is going to resolve itself. part of the problem is, many of the politicians were the ones who empowered the gangs. it's a difficult situation to understand. it would take me a lot of time to explain just what's going on. >> jerry, let's keep in touch. of course, i very much appreciate what you do and how you do it. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on social media. you can watch clips from our show at youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. coming up, andrea mitchell talks to nancy pelosi about the tiktok vote and more. that starts right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," anti-social. congress for first time casting

votes against a social media company, taking steps that could lead to a u.s. ban on the popular chinese-owned social media app tiktok. national security concerns at odds with the platform's 170 million american users. we will talk about that and the prospects in the senate. the judge in georgia dropping three of the 13 federal charges against donald trump ahead of his trial. what the judge is calling into question and how that could push the case past election day. warning signs, as vladimir putin talks about nuclear war. nancy pelosi joins me on new house efforts to force a vote on aid to ukraine. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. there's big news today from capitol hill. in a rare moment of bipartisanship, the house voted overwhelmingly, 352-65, passing

a bill that could lead to a ban on tiktok over national security concerns. specifically, the potential that the platform's chinese owner would have access to sensitive personal data on more than 170 million americans who use the app. the bill now heads to the senate where it does face significant opposition. if it passes, president biden said he will sign the legislation which would require tiktok's parent company, bitedance, to sell the app within six months or be banned from the u.s. joining us now, julie tsirkin who has been all over this. now that the measure passed the house, it got the two-thirds, more than it needed that it did require to pass, what are the prospects in the senate? >> reporter: that's a great question. certainly one that house members i was talking to are wondering. they point to the vote total, 352-65 as a sign that senate leadership were looking for before deciding whether to put the measure, that was fast

tracked, before deciding to put that on the floor. a couple of minutes ago, the senate majority leader chuck schumer released a tepid statement saying the senate will review the legislation when it comes to the house and that's it. yesterday, he said he is talking to his committee chairs about the steps forward on this. certainly, as you mentioned, there are concerns, including from some on the right to civil liberty protection, some on the left alsopointing out this reaches 170 million americans. there are first amendment concerns here as well. there's the issue of the former president. former president trump who himself tried to ban tiktok but was challenged in the courts now flip-flopping on this issue saying that it would make meta more powerful, owned by zuckerberg. that didn't seem to play in at all as a factor to the many republicans who supported this in the house. they ended up voting against this, matt gaetz, a major ally of the former president telling our intern that, no, trump was

not a factor when it came to his vote in favor of the bill. we will see the steps forward in the senate. but schumer is in no rush to put it on the floor. >> i want to ask you about donald trump. there's questions about why all of a sudden donald trump, who supported restrictions on tiktok back when he was president and there was an executive order, it was overturned by the federal courts, now all of a sudden he is in favor of supporting tiktok and all of a sudden a huge investor in bitedance, $20 billion investment was at mar-a-lago. trump talked about his change of position on this. lindsey graham seemed to change his position on "meet the press." what's going on there? >> reporter: you are in an election year. you are several months away from november. of course, it's actually

democrats that have pointed to president biden needing youth engagement from the app. i'm talking about people like senator dick durbin. as i was talking about, you have a very small number of republicans who seem to actually be listening to the former president. i asked them why he is flip-flopping on this issue. for example, chip roy had said the former president is not going to play a factor in how this moves forward. again, you only have 15 republicans in the house out of a larger number than that, we are losing count because of the retirements we are seeing, who didn't support this effort to move this bill forward. i suspect it will be a question that plagues some senators. >> julie tsirkin, thank you. let's turn to chris krebs. it's good to see you. talk to me about the national

security concerns about bitedance, chinese company -- chinese-owned, where china has laws that beijing, the government has access to everything that is in their companies. there's no such thing as privacy or a barrier. >> this does get to the heart of the mechanics of the legislation, seeking to gain a change of control. the objective of the legislation is to break the bitedance/tiktok relationship as congress sees it. the chinese communist party has the ability to influence how bitedance manages, operates the platform. there are significant national security concerns, at least on two prongs with tiktok. first is data collection and access. all the user data collected across the app gets pulled up into the cloud effectively. that has historically, by tiktok's admission, accessed by

bitedance personnel in china. that's obviously a privacy issue. that's a national security issue. the second is the ability to influence content on the platform. it gets to the heart of the algorithm question and how information is presented to users. that's another aspect that i think the congress is trying to deal with. perhaps have a different company -- if you think back to the way president trump with his executive order sought to break the financial relationships, it would have had a takeover by a u.s. company. the hope is any algorithm influence would not have chinese communist party influence or really direct pressure on. >> one of the issues that swisher, who is so knowledgeable about this, was raising on "today" was, even if it is sold -- it would be very, very

difficult, not to say impossible for bitedance to be sold within six months and get around this, nor has the ceo who has been on the hill lobbying and famously was testifying against this, talking about this. but even if it was sold, wouldn't the new company get the algorithms, still have them? so beijing still has access to those algorithms. >> perhaps. i think there is a model where there could be a transfer of an instance of the algorithms that would then be separated, segmented off, bifurcated. >> for the future. but they have everything they have got already. >> from that point on, the algorithm would be independently managed. you would suspect over time, whoever would take control of the tiktok platform, would subsequently be able to -- they would be responsible for maintaining the code. that code over time would be

updated. it would not have that direct influence potentially. that is one of the concerns, particularly as we look ahead to the 2024 election, that someone with ulterior motives can get in and adjust in real time how the algorithm presents and suppresses content. if you have that break in six months -- we are getting there in the sense, they have to act if folks want to see this get into law and deal with the six-month divestment period, at that point then the hope is that the algorithm would be separated from any net new influence. >> commerce secretary romando expressing her concerns about it. >> tiktok presents serious national security risks to the

people of the united states. significant national security risk. >> you would support a ban? >> i would. i would. >> she was in china when she did that interview. she did an interview with us, talked about concerns about chinese data collection from evs -- from ev technology. she has national security regulatory power now. >> i think it's important to step back and look at the broader relationship between the united states and china. there's no question that over the last several years, going back to the trump administration, there's been a concerted effort to address chinese aggression, particularly in the digital domain. think back a couple years ago, we had similar legislation that forced the u.s. government to stop procuring certain technologies, huawei comes to mind. this is another step forward in

the national security community, stepping up and saying, we are concerned about digital aggression and broader chinese aggression, and we're going to take action to remedy that. this is a much broader commercial and consumer impacting step. there will be legal considerations and litigation. >> you can bet. >> absolutely. >> the impact of this, of course, in an election year where their influence -- they have tried this before and been successful at times. >> i will point in the worldwide threat assessment report that the director of national intelligence released monday, it cited chinese proxies that interfered in the 2022 election. this is not theoretical. this is here. this is today. >> i interviewed haines about that in december of 2022 at the reagan defense forum. she raised concerns about it when i asked her about tiktok.

it's the first time she had spoken out about it. you are the perfect guest today. appreciate it. breaking news, the judge in fulton county, in the election interference case has dropped six charges from the indictment and three of those charges had to do with donald trump. the others were his co-defendants. what that means coming up next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." we will be back in 60 seconds. s. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. [cough] honey... honey. nyquil severe honey. powerful cold and flu relief with a dreamy honey taste nyquil honey, i know what it's like to perform through pain. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication

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one of the counts against the president involved the famous brad raffensperger call. >> it does. even though the count itself has been thrown out, the evidence pertaining to the call and more importantly the allegation that it is an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy means it stays in the case. all that judge mcafee has done is say that these cannot stand as standalone counts in the indictment. they are still on the hook for a rico conspiracy and the call is part of that and remains in the case. >> we have not heard any decision from judge mcafee -- we expected it this week -- on the challenge against having willis remain as d.a. on the case, because of her relationship with the lead prosecutor. >> reporter: absolutely. when we started the week, that was the big decision we were expecting. according to people that i have spoken with who are involved in

this case, today's decision caught them by surprise. it was a surprise to all of us covering this from day to day. you are right, that's the other issue that we are waiting on to drop. we know that the judge is going to have that decision by friday that stays within the two-week deadline. when you take a step back, and you just look at the totality of what we have been talking about in this georgia case for the better part of the last 2 1/2 months, whether he decides to keep willis on the case or remove her, this has been a tremendous delay in the case. she wanted this case to go to trial sometime in the summer, before the election, in early august. you look at today's ruling, but certainly combined with the motion to remove her from the case all together, that makes that time line all but impossible. when we speak with people here in georgia, we know that people who were involved in this are preparing either way for what this would look like if willis were removed or if she were to stay on.

>> vaughn, let's talk about reaction from donald trump's attorney in georgia. >> reporter: this stems from motions filed by his defense team in georgia. of course, having this motion to toss these counts, three specifically to donald trump, it's a partial victory for them. i want to let you look at part of a statement from his legal team in georgia. they wrote -- of course, over the next several hours, waiting for the decision on the potential disqualification of willis. also, donald trump with a hearing in florida tomorrow related to the classified documents indictment. of course, we are 11 days from the beginning of the hush money payment trial right here in new york city. >> thanks to all of you. the funding fight.

the white house approving a minor arms deal for ukraine, $300 million. air defense, long-range missiles, a lot more that is needed to help ukraine as putin is marching ahead. how house democrats plan to try to work around the republican obstruction by the speaker. nancy pelosi joining me next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ports" oc like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm, a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist, and ask about attr-cm.

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threat in response to suggestion suggestions from france's president. putin is poised to win another six-year term because of a so-called election in russia, an election completely controlled by the regime, even as putin's forces are advancing in ukraine and u.s. military aid is blocked from getting a vote in the house by the speaker mike johnson. joining us now is nancy pelosi of california and we are pleased to have retired colonel vindman, also a board member at renew democracy initiative. i want to talk about ukraine, of course. first, get your reaction to the house vote today pressuring tiktok to divest and could be banned. >> i'm here and honored to be

here with colonel vindman. he brought us together, house and senate, members who served, strongly urging a vote now, mr. speaker. what was intsteresting was to s the father of mr. harris -- he is a marine, his son was a marine who died volunteering in ukraine. mr. o'leary, who himself now is volunteering, and urging others to do so for democracy in ukraine. the vote this morning was a vote to protect the national security of our country and the privacy of our citizens. i pointed out at the time that tiktok in china broadcast into taiwan that the uyghurs love what china is doing. it's genocide. the people in hong kong love the crushing of their democracy.

the reasons -- this is about human rights and privacy and democracy. most importantly, if the chinese government, as it does with bitedance and its partnership, controls the algorithm, we are at their mercy. if they control the data, the privacy data of our people, we are at their mercy. i was very pleased the vote was so conclusive. over 350 votes for this legislation. we hope the senate will take up a privacy bill. in terms of democracy and fighting autocrats and the rest, i'm honored to be with colonel vindman. his leadership with vote vets on this subject is making all the difference. i'm pleased to yield to him. >> indeed. colonel vindman, a great friend

of our program for many years. talk to me about the warning from the national security officials at threat assessment hearings yesterday. the cia director warning ukraine will lose more ground to russia in the $60 billion in u.s. aid is not approved. >> i think that's absolutely true. he was referring to facts on the ground as they are unfolding. the russians are shooting five or ten to one rounds of artillery. the russians have all the constructs that they are accumulating. in spite of that, it's amazing how well the ukrainians are performing. they have destroyed a third of the black sea fleet. their indigenous drones penetrating and going after military targets, infrastructure targets in russia while the russians are pursuing civilian populations. the ukrainians are performing extremely well. they can't do it without our help. it's an honor to work with

speaker pelosi and her team. i work current speaker johnson would show a fraction of the courage and leadership she has shown. we are able to assemble a dozen congressmen, a number of senators, these vets that have fought in ukraine as well as wars in iraq and afghanistan, communicated why they were there. the purpose is to rally support for this ukrainian bill. speaker johnson has to bring this to a vote. we have a multi-phase plan. we have a billboard rotating around capitol hill with reagan urging the republicans to vote. we have a campaign we are looking to launch against republicans for failing to pass -- to vote on this ukraine aid bill. we will be there. we will continue to press because vote vets and the veteran community understands that if we don't defend ukraine now, that's a direction threat to our troops in the near future. we will be there to protect our troops. >> there's support.

it will pass the house and senate, according to all vote counting. you are the best vote counter i know in either party. it hasn't gotten to the floor for a vote. there's a discharge petition to force a vote. it's not an easy challenge, because it requires 218 signatures. it's being circulated in the house. do you think they can get the signatures? is there another procedure? there are other ways. is there any way to get this to the floor? >> first of all, we want -- there is strong bipartisan support. there are some hesitating. strong bipartisan support in the house. that's why we are saying to the speaker, just let the housework its will in a bipartisan way. yes, we have these parliamentary approaches that we can take. i don't want to show too much of a hand on that. we are in the course of signing the discharge petition now. hopefully, we will get to 218, which will bring the vote to the floor. it takes time.

time is really important. i think it's important to note this. i heard this again and again, especially when i was in munich. i saw you there. the russian army is bigger now than it was when they first went into ukraine. they are buying support in other countries, in other parts of russia to entice people to sign up to fight in this war. their goal is to have a million and a half in the russian army. they have designs on other countries. the fight in ukraine is a fight for democracy, not only there but in the other states surrounding it and a challenge to all of us. that's why we are saying to the speaker, the right thing to do is to honor the wishes of the house, the strong bipartisan support that's there, and give us a vote. that's the fastest way. we have other techniques. they take a little more time.

time is a very valuable commodity when you are getting shot at and you don't have the proper equipment to initiate or respond to. >> these congressmen signed up to serve. they swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. all they need to do is muster the courage of ronald reagan, channel their ronald reagan and protect democracy, nurture democracy, fend off authoritarianism. >> the issue is they switched because of donald trump. that's the big change. donald trump orban from hungary saying -- he was down in florida at mar-a-lago. he is saying that donald trump will not agree to a single penny for ukraine. what about trump's opposition? >> it's significant. the speaker is very close to donald trump. we know that. i hope that he is closer to

honoring his oath of office to protect and defend, because as we support the effort in ukraine, we are supporting defending our own constitution and our own democracy. the thing is, orban is really has destroyed democracy in hungary. it's a shame. he shouldn't be in the eu. it's hard to get them out. when he went in, it was with a different value system. the last ten years he destroyed democracy. let's not talk about them. let's be positive. the president had the prime minister in his box at the state of the union. we are very excited about that. there are many positive things that are going on. let's not dwell on trump, except to say, we must win this election because democracy and personal freedoms that spring from that are on the ballot. i'm pleased that within the last 24 hours, joe biden has racked

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with ukraine losing ground to russia as we have been discussing, president biden hosted poland's leaders yesterday on the 25th anniversary of poland joining nato. poland is the largest nato country bordering ukraine, the most threatened if russia defeats ukraine. i sat down with the polish foreign minister and began by asking him about how urgently ukraine needs the weapons stalled in congress. >> u.s. contribution is crucial in the area of defense. and that's why i'd like to repeat my appeal to speaker johnson to let that vote on the supplemental for ukraine go to the floor, because with that, the ukrainians can recover their lost territory and end the war.

>> there are some things that only the united states can provide. some kinds of air defenses and long-range missiles, the atacms. ukrainian soldiers in trenches rationing their ammo and unable to fight back against the russians. the russians are advancing. they are taking village after village now. >> the ukrainians are fighting like lions. you can't defend yourself with bare hands. this is important, i believe, for the united states. if putin concurs ukraine, he will come to the polish border. then it will become a nato business. then possibly more americans will have to sent to europe. i also think that speaker johnson should be particularly sensitive to the issue that christians of non-orthodox denominations are persecuted, in russia and in russian-occupied territories. the ukrainians are fighting for diversity, for democracy, for rule of law, for religious

toleration as well. >> you are appealing to speaker johnson as a man of faith, of deep vangelical faith. he seems to be answering to one man, who is not even elected right now, the former president, donald trump, who told the house republicans not to vote for this. >> the help to ukraine wouldn't just be a good deed, it's also a good deal for the united states. the great majority of the equipment that ukraine needs is manufactured in the united states. you know, they are actually helping the u.s. for the future and all of us, because every time a u.s. patriot battery shoots down a russian aircraft that's bombing ukrainian cities, the patriot algorithm improves. the patriot missiles become better. >> with the exercise. >> better in the future. >> what would you say to donald trump who actually said that he

would encourage putin to go into countries -- nato countries that don't pay their fair share? >> we have -- that's rhetoric. he is right we should be spending more in europe. poland is spending well over 3% of gdp on defense. we placed $50 billion worth of defense orders in the united states. >> how afraid are you of russia invading you? you are right there on the border. >> they have done it many times before. what they're doing in occupied territories, stealing children, torturing people, deporting ext culture is unacceptable. you may not change borders by force. putin can stop this war in five minutes with one phone call. unfortunately, ukraine can't. >> donald trump is ahead in the

polls in america. it's a very tight election. how worried are you about what the next american presidency could mean in terms of poland's security and nato? >> poland wants to have excellent relationship with the united states irrespective of who is in charge here. president biden, of course, is a transatlantaist. he voted for joining nato. america has interests to do with credibility. when the u.s. has spoken that kyiv will be defended, if that were not acted upon, it would be noticed by allies around the globe. i hope the u.s. will help the ukrainians, because they are defending themselves. >> without the u.s. weapons, if congress does not act, do you

think ukraine would be defeated? how long can they last? >> we in europe are buying weapons, too. we have just had a merry-go-round of donations for the so-called czech ammunition initiative. we are about to pass a european defense budget, european peace initiative, 5 billion euros, that will mostly go to the help of ukraine. on a per capita basis, many european countries are helping ukraine more than the united states. it's just that you have the first class defense industry and stockpiles. including stuff that you will otherwise spend money disposing of. please, give it to the people who need it. >> how long can ukraine hold out? >> that's not a question for me. i hope not only will they hold out, that they will eventually win. i don't think russia can sustain this war for more than a couple of years. they are replacing the tanks

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with president biden and former president trump now their party's official presumptive nominees, the next threshold is the race to 270 points. >> the obvious battleground is the five states that donald trump carried in 2016 but zoe joe biden flipped in 2020. if the trump campaign wants to be at offense in these states, needs to flip these states. the math can vary. let's go through the simplest path. it would be to take the closest of the five states. the two that were the closest

were georgia, margin in 2020 about 12,000 votes, arizona, 10,000 votes or so margin. if trump were able to win georgia, 251. if he added arizona to that, 262. still not enough even with those two states to hit 270. if he wins back the two closest that he lost in '20, trump needs to add one of these three, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. >> steve kornacki, always at the big board. let's bring in former aide to president george w. bush elyse jordan, jim messina and former republican governor of ohio and presidential candidate john kasich. elyse, let's start on georgia. president biden flipped the state blue for the first time in 28 years. a new poll out today shows the two candidates within the margin of error in a general election rematch. biden won by 11,000 plus votes.

what is donald trump's strength in a state where he is facing now all those federal charges for allegedly trying to change the state election results? >> i think that democras got lucky in 2020 in georgia. they had warnock on the ticket. that generated a lot of enthusiasm among democratic voters. how strong is donald trump with black voters? is he going to be able to peel away any voters from joe biden or are black voters not going to turn out this go around? president biden, we're going to talk about this later, but president biden chose to go to milwaukee today. i thought that was an interesting choice to launch his wisconsin headquarters right there in milwaukee. it shows how central turnout of african american voters is going to be in 2024 for the presidential winner. >> jim, the president is heading to wisconsin. it's the swing state. it's also, of course, where the rnc is going to be in july.

after yesterday's closed door meeting with the teamsters, the president is hoping for a lot of labor support there and for their endorsement. reportedly, pointing to donald trump's comments to cnbc suggesting possible cuts to entitlements, the third rail of presidential politics cutting social security. how do entitlements rank among abortion and the border, foreign policy? >> oh, boy. donald trump seems to have stepped in it now. he gave biden a very big win here when he came out this week for entitlement cuts on social security. in the dial testing of the speech the other night, the number one best testing line that joe biden said was don't touch social security and medicare. donald trump then went straight at it and said that he would do exactly that. the biden campaign is on the offensive on this issue, like abortion where they are on the offense. they are going straight at it.

of the three midwestern states, the easiest path is to win those three midwestern states. the democrats have won six out of the last seven. the hardest is probably wisconsin, which is why they're going straight at it today. you have a campaign that's feeling a lot better than they were ten days ago. >> governor, abortion is reportedly on donald trump's mind as he considers his vice presidential choice. does that signal the party sees reproductive rights as an advantage for democrats they have to counteract? >> of course, we know it does. we have seen what's happened in ohio. we saw what happened in kansas. i don't think they will back away from it, but i don't think he will pick somebody that says there shouldn't be exceptions or some degree of reasonableness in this. this always gets down to is what happens with the independent voters. the republicans that don't seem to like donald trump. it's going to be an issue around

the age of biden. there's one other thing i would like to mention that i notice keeps cropping up. that's the impact that somebody like kennedy can have on this election. these numbers that you laid out there are so close. 10,000, 12,000, you get somebody like kennedy running with ventura, can they pick up enough votes to make a difference in how this turns out? they don't have to have a tremendous number. any of those numbers can really throw this thing into disarray. i know that the democrats are scrambling and trying to do everything they can to keep kennedy out of the race. it doesn't seem as though he wants to listen. >> in fact, i was going to ask you about that. there's a new poll which shows rfk even before he mentioned these possible vice presidential picks at 9%. i have seen others that have him higher. you have west and stein. she was an important factor in

2016 taking the election away from hillary clinton. that third party issue, governor, is a real question. now robert kennedy -- a lot of people will vote for him, democrats, reagan-type democrats will vote for him because his name is kennedy. there are people who vote for him because his name is kennedy. they don't know his positions on vaccines and other stuff and the fact his family is against him doing this. the other piece is that he has confirmed he is considering ventura, the former governor of minnesota, we know how controversial he is, and aaron rodgers, popular football player, very conservative. >> i don't think -- i don't think aaron rodgers is going to do in new york unless something changes with his football acumen. but look, it's a serious issue. i know, i talk to democrats. they're very concerned about this third party.

for a while it was no labels. they're still lurking out there. they're not going to capture a big chunk of vote. but in elections that are this close -- messina, you agree with that? that's a cause for real concern for democrats. >> oh, governor, you're exactly right. this is a reason i don't sleep well at night. right? the big yost fear isn't donald trump. the biggest fear is these third parties pulling off -- and democrats have real ptsd on this. ralph nader gave george bush the presidency in 2000. to andrea's point, jill stein and gary johnson in 2016 pulled enough votes off hillary in the three midwestern states. so you know, these folks want to have a little fun with these third-party ballots, but what they're doing is helping donald trump. and i think it is the biggest fear that democrats have, or at least should have. i completely agree with the governor. >> well, democrats can ponder that.

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after weeks of preparations and repeated delays a ship carrying 200 tons of food is on its way to gaza, where people are on the brink of famine. the spanish-owned ship "open arms" towing a barge slowly loaded with rice, flour, beans, other desperately needed staples, expected to reach the gaza strip by the end of the week. a slow, slow trip for just 200 nautical miles. jose andres, founder of world central kitchen, the u.s. charity in charge of the mission, of course a friend of our program, spoke with "meet the press" moderator kristen welker on the "meet the press now" about the complex situation. >> still failure is a possibility. but what we cannot do is fail

the people of gaza. that would be the true failure, is not trying. so we're trying, and i hope that in a few days we can say we had a little success. >> and joining me now is colin clark, director of research at the soufan group. it's good to see you here. it was to some surprise in a declassified version of a threat assessment yesterday there was the assessment raising doubts about the political strength, the survivability politically of israel's prime minister netanyahu. we know he's been in trouble back home. there have been the protests. but he has that coalition with these two right-wing ministers in particular holding it together. and he has widespread support for going after hamas. >> he does. but i actually tend to agree with the assessment. i think the government is fragile. we see a split here within the united states. we see democratic senators calling for a weapons freeze. we see bibi appearing virtually

to speak to gop senators. and so there's a real divide here. the biden administration is trying to pressure him and he's also under immense pressure in israel domestically. >> of course wanting to hang on in part because he's under legal threat. and the only way to avoid that sort of similar to the donald trump analogy is to remain as prime minister and not be a civilian. >> exactly. and he's been teflon so many times before, he thinks he can really do it again. he probably has a lot of supporters toward that end. but in the meantime there's immense suffering going on as you know. >> in terms of the suffering, and there's more effort for u.s. aid, but even what jose andres and his courageous teams are doing, getting that there is still so much less than what could come in over the land. israel does have a land crossing. they could use that instead of using kerrette shalom, which is much more complicated. they also have a port that's already built.

they don't need to be building this pier and towing a barge just because they can't send a deep water ship in. >> this is a herculean effort to get the aid in. it's desperately needed. and the folks that are in netanyahu's ear are saying any concession, even to palestinian civilians, is a sign of weakness. and that's why i think we're starting to see some of what we're seeing. >> also, the rafah situation. the president, is it a red line, is it not a red line. he's talked it different ways. they know that president obama was badly damaged in the arab world by the red line in syria over nerve gas and that he didn't fulfill it. but what would happen if netanyahu does go into rafah as he says he will to get those four battalions of hamas? the u.s. is so deeply opposed. >> it would likely be a humanitarian disaster coupled on top of what we're already seeing. i wrote an essay in "foreign affairs" several weeks ago warning against exactly that. what would the u.s. do? would they take action, do you think? would they condition aid?

>> i don't think so. i think not in an election year. and i think that's why we saw jake sullivan walking back some of those comments. even the president himself equivocating recently. >> we're still waiting, praying, hoping, whatever you want to say, about getting more aid to these palestinians. and there's no question hamas started the war. >> absolutely. >> and hamas is using civilians as a shield, keeping hostages. but at this point there are a lot of, you know, victims who are also the palestinian civilians. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> and that does it for us, this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." a newsy day. remember to follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. and you can watch highlights, the best parts of our show, anytime on youtube. just go to msnbc.com/andrea. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris