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rocket blasts off to new heights. now the question is, where did it go? our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin in florida, where they're in court, and the judge just made things interesting. back in session after the lunch break. i understand that judge cannon is showing some skepticism. about what? >> reporter: that's correct, chris. it's always perilous to trying to interpret judge cannon. she has a habit of asking tough questions on both sides, but it was pretty clear she's baulks at the argument that the presidential acts means this case should be thrown out. she replied, it's difficult to see how this gets you to the dismissal of an indictment. she added that this line of

argument cements better suited in trial or during jury instructions, which is a point that some of our legal experts have made. this question that he decreed that some of these documents were personal, that's a fact question that should be decided at trial. even though there's no evidence to support that, it's not the question that would be generally rely vice president in a motion to dismiss the charges, which is about legal arguments. clearly the judge is choking on that a bit. this is the argument that donald trump is making that the presidential records act, enacted after watergate, it somehow exempts him from the argument that you can't take documents homes and store them in a bathroom. president biden is visiting

a michigan county today. what are we going to be seeing from the president today? >> reporter: chris, we know president biden will be visiting this democratic stronghold for a pretty low-key campaign event. he'll be attending an organizing meeting talking about lowers prices, but what we know we won't see from him is a personal meet leaders of the arab american and muslim community. that will take place privately with senior white house officials in chicago, not here in michigan, talking with the leaders about the humanitarian crisis in gaza, as well as the spike of islamophobia in the u.s. since the israel-hamas started. this marks the second time that president biden will be in michigan since the beginning of the new years.

since the uncommitted vote took off late last month, much of it in protest was handling of the israel-hamas war, and people here are not only upset by the fact he is not having this one-on-one meeting, but also upset with his further handling of that war. take a listen to some of the activists we spoke with at this abandon biden meeting that they had at this square behind me earlier today. >> i voted for biden. i had a biden sign in my front yard, actually, and i now the cochair of the abandon biden campaign. is that on me or joe biden? i think joe biden's total failures to address the humanitarian crisis, the genocide going on in gaza is really a war crime. it really is a war crime. in a perfect world, i think joe biden will be among netanyahu in

the hague. >> reporter: chris, that uncommitted vote really sparked concerns about the general election and how that would look not just here in michigan, but possibly as a more widespread cause here in michigan bock menendez is a run no new jersey senate, his current senate seat as an independent, you might be wondering why. if he runs as a democrat, only two weeks, less than that to get the thousand signatures. remember, there's already a

primary heating up, and certainly polling terribly in the state after all of the indictments. if he runs an independent, my sources tell me he will have until june 4th. if he remains as a candidate. he's able to fund raise. we've seen the former president do this, spending more than -- well, that's something that menendez might want to do do. i lit really chased him outside the capitol. take a look at our exchange. are you running as an independent. >> i don't have to declare what i'm doing. when i do. everyone will know. >> reporter: are you considering it? >> when i decide to declare, whatever my path is, i will do it then. >> reporter: could it .ar

-- are we correct in our report? >> you can ask it a hundred different ways. i've given you an answer. >> reporter: so not really a surprising reaction from senator menendez there. this is notable news. andy kim himself, who responded to this, telling me in part, quote, this news that the senator is considering running as an independent is alarming. if he were to do this, it's just another clear example of putting his own benefit ahead of what's right for the country. >> reporter: great job, julie. thank you. let's go to space. nbc's correspond tom costello is following the story. we've got liftoff. why are so many people watching this mission? >> really a phenomenal day. the rocket destructed or self-destructed, as it was reentering the atmosphere. broke up is the right

terminology, yes, but, that was 45 minutes into flight. a phenomenal liftoff for the biggest rocket that was ever build. they got well into orbit, 33 engines firing in unison as they lifted starship off the surface of the earth. then roughly 45 minutes into flight, as they attempted to reenter this rocket -- by the way, that's what manx it unique. they wanted to say if they could keep reusing rockets. on reentry, it broke apart. so the question will be, okay, are the protective tiles doing their jobs? did they have a single or multiple points of failure, that will all be part of the investigation, but they also performed some of the critical tests, and all things seem to have gone remarkably well.

it's bigger than the empire state building, and eventually it would carry humans, astronauts onto the moon and maybe we'll see, on to mars. par the spacex, elon musk and nasa agreement, the artemis program, which today they're heralding as a success. you and i remember the earlier days of space, and not all tests went perfectly. apolla had failures before they landed on the moon. you learn from the failures. it's in that spirit that nasa and spacex are saying they learned a lot from this. >> tom, thank you so much. in 60 seconds, vice president kamala harris making history with a visit to an abortion clinic. the message she's delivering on reproductive rights. e message s reproductive rights. that's why we're america's number-one motorcycle insurer. but do you have to wedge it into everything?

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it's never happened before, but right now a vice president, kamala harris, is visiting an abortion clinic in minneapolis. the administration's push for reproductive rights is an essential part of the strategy, and she is leading the charge. it's been a powerful and winning one, and recent polls continue to show that power. one out of every eight voters said abortion is their most important issue. that echoes earlier northbound polls that shows abortion as the second most important issue overall, barely above the top choice, and four percentage points higher than the third choice, immigration. nbc's nbc's yamiche alcindor is

covering it for us. >> vice president harris made history when she walked into the planned parenthood. a number of sources gave me details. she expected to meet with medical professionals. we believe this is the first time in history a president or vice president has ever gone to an abortion clinic. in 2013, former president barack obama addressed planned parenthood. that was a big deal then, but sources tell me the vice president wants to make sure she's among the people, not behind a podium. she wanted to be there and making -- and there may be a chance she may talk to patients there. she doesn't want to disrupt any services there, she made it clear. the location was held close,

because they didn't want in protesters. she's probably the most prominent voice in the biden administration. this is sure sixth stop on a tour she kicked off in january, talking about abortion access. she's also been criticizing republicans pointedly saying they are trying to control women's bodies, and democrats are trying to capitalize. voters, women cutting across all socioeconomic categories that i have talked to, across political parties, are very angry that roe v wade was overturned and they hope this will translate into the presidential election. the president talked about abortion as the first domestic issue in his state of the union a week ago.

republicans are grappling with the consequences. ivf treatments were being paused for a time in alabama, and republicans just lost a bill that would have provided protections for birth control, so even former president trump wants to make this as key issue as he's picking his vice president. the nominee really saying, do i have a vice president that can help me on this issue. now you have kamala harris saying i'm going to help the ticket here and make sure people talk about abortion. >> the first visit ever to an abortion provider by a president or vice president. that was a long period of time when this would have been too politically risky. does the administration see this as the more opposite of this now? >> that's right. starting with the dodd decision

all way through to the alabama supreme court decision on ivf, none of these are decisions that the president or the vice president would have asked for, but they have been a political gift. you have seen a lot of elections go the way of democrats that were not supposed to go as well. largely on the strength of women and not just democratic women coming out to make their voices heard on the issues of reproductive rights. in their push for reproductive rights, the biden/harris administration has been bringing in reinforcement. the first lady joined up with kristina aguilera. >> extremists are working harder than ever to drag us back to a past that we thought was long over. we say our reproductive healthcare decisions should be made by us and our doctors, not

politicians. i will not let my daughter lift in a world where politicians make decisions about her body. >> our reproductive rights will be on the ballot in all 50 states. together we need to stop a national abortion ban. >> the white house believes this issue helped them, and it helped them to have celebs frankly on board with this issue in 2020. it's a strategy, not like they're thinking that kristina aguilera will get people to vote for joe biden, but she may be one of the many people who keep the threat of reproductive rights constantly on the minds of voters. is that the ultimate goal here? >> especially when it comes to surrogates, celebrities, their view is that the more voices, the more trusted voices, right? so their endorsement is very

hard to transfer celebrities from one person to another, some major endorsements, for example, like taylor swift, that could make a difference. having women or voters in general frankly on this issue hear from all sorts of sources, all sorts of voices from the vice president to the first lady, to singers, and athletes, and musicians, even tiktok celebrities, talking about an issue in personal terms, as you see kristina aguilera do right there. that is what they think come november, when voters start to tune in will make a difference, the personal appeals from a trusted authentic validators on this issue. and we've seen many times when the issues come up, donations increase.

hillary clinton and lin-manuel miranda are going to host a fund-raiser. what does all of this do for a war chest at a time when we know he's been outdistancing donald trump. >> president biden and the democrats in general have been doing incredibly well when it comes to raising money, both from small dollar donations, and then, divorce, the big named fund-raisers where someone like especially former president obama can be a huge draw. to draw language from the white house, it's an all of the above strategy, right? where they want to hit the big donors. the people who give money on their phones. maybe they're not passionate

about joe biden, but passionate about the issue of reproductive rights, or threats to democracy, and they think former president trump would be devastating for the country, so, again, this election will be the biden campaign admission will be incredibly close, so as much money as possible, as many passionate appeals to personal issues as possible, that's their strategy. that's what we're seeing right now. >> thank you both so much. still ahead, does donald trump have any shot of getting his classified documents case thrown out? the arguments going on right now. and the prominent investor who says he wants to buy the app and keep it from being banned. p and keep it from being banned. s biggest myth... that cold water can't clean. cold water, on those stains? ♪♪ cold water can't clean tough stains? i'd say that myth is busted.

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>> just moments ago we got up update from the courthouse. the government made a succinct and very pointed argument. so the prosecutor says the documents charged in the indictment are not personal records, period. they are nowhere close to that. glenn kirshner, i guess if you're trying to make the point, but are they right?

>> is do you understand like based on some of the reporting that the judge has pretty much cut right to the chase, at least in some of the questions she posts. your claim that the act provides you some defense or should result in the case being dismissed really boils down to a factual matter. i don't want to turn this into a crim law 101, but the president will not be able to argue that the presidential records act provides him the ability to keep the roared. this is roerlts belong, and they must be lived. however, there's such a thing of the state of fact defense. my bad, i don't have criminal

intention. told him or gave him appropriate advice. that's what the judge was getting at. this is not a basis to. >> donald trump is there, he has lawyers on either side, but what does this mean for a potential trial date? >> the and jack smith's team said how about july 8th? donald trump's defense team, when push came to shove, even

though they still maintain the case should not be tried before election day, but proposed august 12th. you would have thought the judge could have split the difference between those two dates, perhaps said an august 1st date. i feel nondoes she have to evolve, but they are several more defense motions in the hopper, so it seems like it would be quite a wait before we ever seeever selection. could did go beyond the all date? >> when she declined, i think that was a tell that she's going to push it even fur doubt the

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senate majority leader chuck schumer is coming under fire from all sides, after calling for new elections in israel. listen to michigan group

criticized schumer for moving far too slowly with little substance. they also said, how many children in gaza will be killed by bombs before schumer demands an end to weapons aid? but for the top republican in washington, schumer's remarks we want too far. >> it is grotesque and hypocritical for americans who liner ventilate about foreign interference in our own democracy to call for the removal of a democratically elected leader of israel. this is unprecedented. we should not treat fellow democracies this way at all. >> nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now. where does the white house stand on this. >> reporter: senator schumer did

alert the white house in advance of his comments. but they say they had no ability or, rather, they did not take a position to address what he said in terms of approval or that kind of then. when i asked if there was coordination, there is obviously a strong relationship. politically, of course, the white house is saying they will continue to work with the netanyahu government. they will try to use their influence to work within the system there, to bring humanitarian aid, to try to get persuasive of the netanyahu government. we know there have been tensions between the president and the prime minister over his posture related to the levels of civilian violence and deaths. this is one of those moments where top schumer as the top democrat in the senate is saying something that many in his party wants said, and is in some ways

putting the pressure on netanyahu that maybe the white house may in some way find useful, or is it counterproductive? that's hard to measure. president biden and benjamin netanyahu have not spoken on the phone in some sometime, but levels below the president are in touch on a constant basis. senator schumer said something that many on the left are saying, he said it out loud in a very public way. the white house said they had a heads-up, but did not tell him what to say or not to say. chris? >> i want to show you what's happening in tel aviv. look at the size of this protest against bibi netanyahu. there have been a series of protests there. others who want him to step down entirely, both of which he has rejected.

amid the deepening crisis and total border shutdown in haiti, two members in congress managed to evacuate ten americans on a small helicopter. among them mitch albom calked it harrowing, but mitch joins me now. it's been a while, mitch. good to see you home and safe. walk us through that escape, the dash to the helicopter. what was going through your mind? >> well, it was very important that we do it in the middle of the night. helicopters have been shot at in the daytime hours. we didn't want anybody filming it and drawing attention to the area where our orphanage is located. so it was important to do it. it's hard to get angel copters that can fly at night, from what

i understand. i go there every month. it's not unusual for me to be there, but we had also brought with us, along with pie wife and i, eight guests, volunteers, and some had never been to haiti before. i thought it was my responsibility to make sure they got out safely. we had this thing arranged with cory mills and lisa mcclain from congress, though it wasn't a congressional effort. it was a private effort. we were to meet it at 3:00 in the morning. we got a message at about 2:00 that they were ten minutes away. so we had to scramble very quickly. then another message said, no bags, just passports. we had to leave all of our stuff. the helicopters came down in a secure location we had decided upon. in 67 seconds we got ten people under the blades that were going around, thrown in, and it was much smaller than originally

intended. everybody was just on top of each other, and the door closed, and we were very quickly up off the ground and just sort of, i think holding our breath we didn't hear any gunshots or anything, and while later they had we had cleared the airspace, our guests were clapping, but my wife and i later admitted we had a gut punch, because that meant we're leaving our kids behind officially. i'm very heartbroken to be away from the children. >> are you able to be in touch? there is at least 60 children. on a day-to-day basis, haiti is difficult for any child, as we said. the poorest country in the western hemisphere. i have been there, seen it. what is life like? help people to understand why

you decided that this was a calling for you. mitch. >> well, first of all, children don't can be born where they're born, and certain not into those circumstances. our children come from most of the impoverished circumstances. some were left under trees to die, and some were dropped off. we have to create names and birth certificates. many of them come to us sick or ill, and these children deserve to be taken care of. their life in haiti is just unfair. our children haven't set foot outside of our orphanage gates in three years, because it's too dangerous because of kidnappings or gang shootings. we can't take them to the park or ice cream or a beach. every night when they say their nightly devoteses and prayers, it's always to gunfire.

gunfire like i've never shared before. no child should live like that. are we going to have enough fuel to run the generators? because we don't get electricity at all. if you don't have a generator, you don't have lights, let alone refrigerators to have food for 100 people. the gangs have brought this violence to the country. it's no way for anybody to live. i'm imploring people to help, to give and to get our government more deeply involved, in my opinion, than what it's been sending money and hoping other forces will take care of matters. i don't think that's going to work. >> you have said that the u.s. has an obligation to mati after occupying the country, writing their constitution, but you've also heard foreign actors should

stay out of it. what do you say to them? >> it's not for me to say. it's for the haitians to say, but they have taken a number of polls, somewhere around 0% of haitians are asking for foreign investment right now. there may be some activists who don't want it, but if 80% of a country does, and everybody that i talk to, everybody that i deal with in haiti, says, can somebody help us get rid of these gangs? i take them at their word. it doesn't matter what i think. i'm not haitian. but they don't want foreign interference forever. they want something to take care of gangs -- there's only a few thousand gang members holding the city of about 5 million people hostage, because they have guns, and the people don't. they're just asking for help. somebody who was a bit more

powerful force to perhaps quell this, and then leave when it's appropriate to leave and let the haitians obviously cover themselves. >> mitch albom, bestselling author, but the work you do in haiti is extraordinary stuff. we thank you for coming on the program to bring your message. thanks so much. >> you're welcome. please don't forget the others who are stranded there. vice president harris, first president or vice president ever to go to an abortion provider, she's also just a short time ago, took some questions. we want to play that for you. [ inaudible question ] also, how concerned are you about -- [ inaudible question ] >> well, i'll tell you, the reason i'm here is because this

is a healthcare crisis. of the many stories -- of the many stories we need to tell about what has happened after the dobbs decision, one of them is part of this healthcare crisis is the clinics like this that have had to shut down. what that has meant to leave no options with any reasonable geographic area for so many women who need this essential care. again, it runs of gamut of reproductive health care. yes, abortion care, but also essentially care lie paps, breast cancer screenings, things of that nature. i'm here to highlight of the many i believe intended consequences of the dobbs decision, one of them has been for healthcare providers such as this in the states that have

banned or outlawed access to reproductive care, for clinics to shut down, and it's a travesty. >> reporter: thank you. we were not able to go and monitor -- can you give us a sense of what you saw back there? >> well, what i saw were, i don't know, maybe two dozen healthcare workers who really care, really care about their patients, and who understand in the system, regardless of your gender other healthcare need, we always expect and desire you would be treated with dignity, and treated in an environment where you feel safe. by that, i mean safe to be free

from judgment, to be in an environment where you are actually and really listened to, where your needs and your expression of your needs are taken seriously, and walking through this clinic, that's what i saw. people who have dedicated their lives to the profession of providing health care in a safe place that gives people dignity. i think we should all want that for each other. vice president kamala harris in minnesota, one of the most potent issues, abortion is, for democrats. it certainly was in 2022. they believe it will be and will suggest it will be in 2024. she is is the administration's leading voice. coming up, a crippling cyberattack, the fallout after

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take that case to the supreme court. but no now, though, he is report directed to report to federal prison in miami by 2:00. the documents case we've been following you from fort pierce, former president trump trying to get that case thrown out. ken, i understand they're done for the day, ken? >> reporter: that's right, that's the word from inside the courtroom. the hearing has been adjourned for the day. we're waiting to see president trump's motorcade leave. there's a group of supporters that attend and stand outside every time he shows up with lou assemble a watch as the motorcade leaves. watching for that. arguments node court continued about the question of the presidential records act, about which judge aileen cannon expressed skepticism. a notion that was reason to

dismiss the case. what they argued about this afternoon. a writing ruling would be issued at later time. >> ken dilanian thank you for that. right now medical providers big and small are facing a major cash crunch in the aftermath of a massive cyber attack. it paralyzed change health care. the largest health care billing and payment system in the country. it means thousands of providers don't get paid by insurance. to give you a sense of the impact change health care normally handles $14 billion in transactions every year. from oregon clinics say they're running out of cash. ohio, patients say they're stuck in limbo. inmiesota, medical providers say it is a mess, and in oklahoma, maine and beyond, reports that this attack is pushing some clinicing to financial peril. joining me now someone who'll knows all about the after effects of this cyber attack,

ceo of pontchartrain cancer center in louisiana. thank you for join us. walk us through what happened with this cyber attack and how it first impacted your center. >> yes. hi, chris. thank you for having me today. we went home one evening ready to go to work the next day and lo and behold change health care was hit by that black cat cyber attack. what does that mean for our medical practice? it means that our abilities to get authorizations for patients' medical care, verify eligibility of their insurance plan, all of that stopped, without warning. so we were able to contact most of the payers by phone and work through those things but what it did do in overnight was it completely stopped our ability to send out health care claims to our payers and then to, in

turn, have those processed and those payments come back to us. so those effects were felt pretty rapidly, and we were scrambling to find out our work-around in order to care for our parents and keep our clinics open. >> you don't have cash flow what do you do? >> that's a very good question. so most of us do have lines of credit and cash on hand, but what we've done in the oncology care setting which is where i work, is we're using those funds for our general operating expenses. such as payroll, mortgages and things like that. the average medical oncologist spends about $10 million a year in drug purchasing in order to care for our patients, and so, you know, while we have those lines of credit and such, you know, they're just never going to be enough in order to you

know, continue to pay for our drugs. so quite honestly what we rely, we rely on those payments from our insurers on a rolling weekly base to help continually fund the drug purchasing that we do every three to five business days. so what are we doing right now? well, without the support of our group purchasing organization, synccora we are working with them and they're working with practices across the country in order to maintain access to drugs, and as of this morning, you know, synccora has not had to turn away anyone from having to purchase drugs. we're still able to maintain access, but what is that going to look like on the back end? lines of credit are going up. this is just, we don't see an

end in sight, but we are very glad that our, synccora and pharma partners are stepping up to the plate helping us maintain access for patient care. >> kathy, i can't even imagine, but we wish you luck, and it is a reminder to all of us how dependent we are on these system. thank you so much for being with us. much appreciated. >> thank you. just moments ago we watched as former president trump's motorcade left the courthouse in fort pierce florida. the former president waving to the crowd after a hearing in his classified documents case. heard from ken dilanian. there's usually a small group there supporting him. that does it for this hour. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right after this short break. s" right after this short break. hone 15 pro wh tons of storage. so you can take all the pics! (vo) trade-in any iphone in any condition and get a new iphone 15 pro

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i'm katy tur. donald trump wrapped five hours in florida in a florida court trying to guest judge cannon to throw out the classified documents case. his lawyer said the records were his to take. it's black and white, they argued. the former president had "unreviewable discretion." which judge cannon said in response to that claim and what it means for when she will schedule this trial. she has said the may 20th date will likely