day. all the times we had. it's unfortunate we have to think about the day that he was brought home from the hospital to the day that we actually closed the casket. >> what they want to do is warn other families to watch out for the other katrina bens in the world. >> i pray and continue to pray that even in doing this that it will bring awareness to other people out there about certain types of people and just being very cautious and being aware. >> so the lesson is be careful who you get close to. >> very careful. >> did absolutely. >> very aware. very important. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. of dateline. good morning. welcome to this saturday

edition of morning joe, weekend. let's get right to some of the conversations you might have missed. >> mr. president, i'm curious about what it's like for you, your life. no one has gone through what you've gone through. no one in human history, i know you have supporters, friends, family. they say it is lonely at the top. i'm curious, is it ever lonely for you? no one can fully relate to what you've been through and what you are going through. are you ever lonely ? >> i love history, a study history. i was always told that andrew jackson as a president was treated the worst. he was lambasted. i heard abraham lincoln with second but he was in a thing called the civil war so you can understand that but andrew jackson was really, really treated badly. his wife died during the process. a lot of people say she died because of the way they were

treated. she was heartbroken and broken in so many other ways. and i heard that for years. and, i look now, even last night i was saying this. i don't care, andrew jackson or anybody else, nobody, when you think of the big things, no one has been treated like trump in terms of badly. >> that is him. >> really, listen. >> i don't think that was a pallet cleanser. >> so, you've been treated worse than anybody in history. let's start with a couple, let's start with a couple. jesus christ was crucified. a little worse. joan of arc. burned at the stake. that's two, we can match two above there. abe lincoln, assassinated. martin luther king,

assassinated. bobby kennedy, assassinated, jfk, assassinated. that's a little worse. black americans. did anything happen to them? ripped from their country, ripped from their homes, put in chains and dragged across in ships to america where they were slaves from 1619 and 1863, that's a little worse. that's a little worse than what donald trump is going through. i don't know. willie, no one in human history, mr. president, has gone through more than you have gone through. willie, where do i begin ? >> i don't know. >> where do i begin, as the song goes. >> start with jesus christ. >> these sad, sad people who are so freakish to try to

elevate this poor, you know, he plays like a strong man. he is such a poor, pathetic, weak snowflake. he's a snowflake. i want dr. evil to start talking about his father and all the things his father did to him and donald trump will take that on board. he accused chestnuts of being lazy. but, it is so insane, willie that here you've got this billionaire, this president of the united states and he's just such a victim. he's so weak. everybody is picking on him. everybody is trying to play right into that victim hood. we republicans used to, i mean, when i was a republican, we were like don't be the victim. don't be week. pull yourself up by your

bootstraps type nonsense. that is what republicans used to be about. personal responsibility. now it is all victimhood. look what they've done to me. they are such babies. >> it is what they use to accuse democrats and progressives of being. >> such whiners. >> it is donald trump's entire arsenal for reelection. he says it out loud, i'm being indicted for you, i'm honored to be indicted for you on all these counts. you saw it, joe, we talk about this all the time whether it is lindsey graham or the guy doing the interview yesterday, how do you look yourself in the mirror after you do that? if you sit across from donald trump and flock him and talk about how are they so mean to you, sir, how do you get from it? honest to god, i don't know how you look your children in the eye after doing not.

i guess they are beyond humiliation right now because they like being close to power. that is it. >> john, talk about how victimhood, victimhood, and of everything republicans used to despising democrats. the party of victims. talk about how republicans have become a party of victims, a party of resentment? look at what that lack presented to me. look what that 14-year-old trans volleyball player can do. she can bring down the entire western civilization. it is all of these preposterous things that they come up with so they can be the victims. so, the white majority, evangelicals, people who are in the majority in every respect

are victimized because a 14- year-old trans volleyball player in butte, montana wants to play on the varsity volleyball team. i'm making that particular one up but it is really that crazy. it's like the governor of utah when he vetoed one of these pieces of legislation, anti- trans legislation. he said you know there are only three trans athletes in our entire state? you people are burning the entire state down over this, can we just maybe just sit down at a table and talk and figure this out? it's just like the southern border. they don't want to sit down and figure it out. they want the issues of the can go on these news shows and talk about how their way of life and

being trampled on by those mean elites. >> right. first of all, mike , mika offered a pallet cleanser. then i've got willie talking about stuff and donald trump. i really need a pallet cleanser now after that. that's the worst thing i've heard ever. i will, joe, you are, this is the story of donald trump and the story of what is happened, as you say, to the modern contemporary republican party. the party has become the party of grievance. and, there has been a realignment in terms of what the constituent parts are of the republican party. this realignment is shaping american politics. it has become the downscale party, the less educated party, the more economically strained part of the electorate. this is what made donald trump

president in 2016. it is what turned out 8 million more voters for him in 2020 then, and in 2016. it's the sense of grievance. make america great again is about weight grievance. it's about we have lost our country. we've not gotten what we are entitled to. we need to have a strong man who comes in and gets it back for us. there's so much that is ludicrous about that argument. it is the political power of donald trump rest on grievance. he's a ludicrously almost a parody of a snowflake at this point. he does and body and becomes

the kind of thing upon which a lot of voters project their sense of grievance. they see donald trump as a persecuted figure, they feel persecuted themselves. they are delicious, others are the winners, please because the winners again. please stop those people from being donors. that has been his political power. that is what the republican party is all about. i will stay in conclusion here, i've been to a lot of trump rallies in 2016, 2020, and this cycle. he gets in trouble for playing various like don't buy my son, don't play my son. i have to say, the song that really would be the trump at this point, linda ronstadt, i know would come forward and demand he stop but poor, poor, pitiful me. that is the trump campaign. poor, poor, pitiful me. >> so, senator, let me ask you about you won election in the reddest of red states as a democrat. extra to refute. >> he never complained. i've never heard doug jones

complain once. >> you understand alabama, you understand republican voters so well because of the state where you live and of for so long. we were looking yesterday and discussing donald trump's win in georgia two nights ago. there were 90,000 republican votes cast not for donald trump. 75,000 or so for nikki haley, ron desantis got a bunch of the votes, chris cristi got a couple thousand. i guess the question to you is in the republicans in birmingham, republicans in the bill, suburbs like that, are they thinking twice about donald trump? if they are, where are they going to go ? >> that's the issue. they certainly are, in those areas. in the rural areas of alabama and to the south, not so much. you see the trump flags, you see the bumper stickers and everything else trump. in the

suburbs and the business community, they are concerned. they see a lot of republican policies that they like. at the same time, they see someone who is just unhinged and they see a lot of things that give them a lot of pause. i think you've got a new generation of republican business leaders in alabama and elsewhere and they are torn right now. they see some things that they like. at the same time, they have been so conditioned to be republicans and not waver from that that it is really difficult to get them to move, much less come out and speak against somebody. you don't see that happening a lot. i think voters, i think the suburban voters, the typical middle-of-the-road voters, they are going to have our time. in a state like alabama, it's not going to matter. in georgia, i think the president can be, president biden, can win georgia again, even though most people are writing that off because of the anti-trump vote in the republican primary. i think he's a weaker candidate than most people think. i believe donald trump is a much weaker candidate than folks know about and think about it because they just see

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although it is not official until the conventions this summer, a by in trump rematches on the horizon for november. nbc news projects both men won enough delegates to lead their parties in the fight for the white house this fall. as the race heats up, trump has been sticking to familiar attack lines about president biden. joining us now with a fact check his former treasury official and more and economic analyst steve rattner. we will start with the issue of

crime. take a look. >> we are a nation where free speech is no longer allowed and where crime is rampant and out of control like never, ever before. >> the carnage line. he is always going with the carnage, is it true ? >> crime is not out of control. in fact, crime has continued to drop it to president biden. let's take a look at violent crime. this is per 100,000 people. you can see that a violent crime since 2020 has dropped by 15%, 300 30 nine violent crimes per 100,000 people. it is below anyplace it was during the trump administration and it has had a huge drop during 2023. the same is true of property crime. you can see here this is people robbing homes and things of that like. 7% down. this is a complete fiction that crime is up under the biden

administration. >> at the same time, there are different areas of the country experiencing different things and a mixture of crime and homelessness is very personal to people in the neighborhoods. but, again, you can't deny the data and the trends that we are seeing. there's also donald trump's false claims when it comes to president biden's energy policy. listen to this. >> on day one of our new administration, we will end biden's nation wrecking war on american energy. he's wrecking the energy business. >> okay. steve rattner, what are the facts ? >> wrecking the energy business. we've had record energy reduction under the biden administration. this combines nuclear, fossil fuels, and renewables. you can see here we've never had energy production this

high. the other thing he says is that is going to make us energy independent again. the fact is we are energy independent. we've been energy independent for five years and our energy exports, mostly on but also some natural gas, hit a record last year. in fact, we've produced more oil than any country in the world has ever produced in history. >> he talks a lot about the economy and how it was better under him and also attempting to rewrite history on the deficit and the debt. listen to donald trump. >> we are going to pay off the debt. we were going to reduce taxes further. we gave you the biggest tax cut in the history of our country. bigger than the ronald reagan tax cut. >> the actual numbers show something very different, right, steve ? >> he did give us a big tax cut but what it did was it actually increased the deficit. when he says we are on track to pay off the debt, look what happened to the deficit even before covid-19 because of his tax cut.

the deficit was going up and then covid-19 hit. under biden, he's brought it down into his new proposed budget, he would bring it down further. because of that huge deficit, when he talks about how he was going to pay off the debt during his first term, in fact added more data than any other president in history. some of it was covid-19, $3.6 trillion. there was also $5 trillion in debt that had nothing to do with covid-19. trump sent a whole series of spending bill that increased our spending by over $2.5 trillion. the idea that he was a president that was going to attack the deficit and that problem is completely false. >> steve, when president biden put out his projected budget, there was a lot of pearl clutching from republicans about adding to the deficit when they were silent for the most part as donald trump added $8 trillion to the deficit. the chart behind him on the war on energy, donald trump has been posting drill baby drill

quite a bit lately. is it fair to say that sounds more like an endorsement of what joe biden is doing right now? >> this drill baby drill stuff i find astonishing because obviously you only get record energy production by drilling. we have been drilling. obviously there are concerns about fossil fuels. we need to transition away from them. for now, we need them and the idea that biden has been anti- energy or curtailed our drilling is belied by the fact that we are producing record amounts of oil and natural gas. >> morning joe economic analyst steve rattner, thank you. the only problem i see here, and this is not a joke, is that we could do our entire four hour show fact checking everything donald trump says and we would not scratch the surface. that is the problem we are confronting in this election and for this country moving forward. steve, thank you.

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nbc news national medical correspondent steve kornacki is looking at things and how they might play out for the biden and trump campaigns between now and november. steve. >> the rematch is on, it is trump, biden part two. let's take the first look at the road to 70. what is the playing field look like at the outset of the campaign? this is how we ended up in 2020. the top states in red, biden

states in blue. it ended up in 306 electoral votes for the presidency. that matt would be different even if biden won all the same states he won. we had the census and we had reapportionment since 2020 and that change is the number of electoral votes in some states. if you apply the new electoral vote totals from the census, that same combination of states now only gives biden 303, trump 235, a net gain of 3 electoral votes in the trump states because of the census and reapportionment. that is the starting point based on 2020. the question is, okay, what is the battleground ? the obvious background would be the five states donald trump carried in 2016 but joe biden flipped and won in 2020. wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, and arizona. those five states. the trump campaign wants to be an offense in these states, needs to flip these states. how many? the math can vary. let's go to the simplest path from the stamp trump standpoint. it would be the take the

closest of these five states. the two that were closest were georgia, margin of 12,000 votes, arizona, 10,000 vote margin. if, big if, just showing you the math, if trump were able to win georgia, 251. at arizona, 262. still not enough to hit 270. if he wins back the two closest he lost in 20, trump needs to add one of these three, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. which was the closest in 2020? by a margin of 20,000 votes, it was wisconsin. if wisconsin were to join the other two, trump with clear to 70. that would then be enough, if he didn't lose any other states that he won. that is the big question. are there any states on this map that these campaigns can succeed putting in plain that we don't think of as being in play. the one democrats would like to put in place is north carolina. north carolina is a pretty big state, 16 electoral votes.

the margin had come down for trump both times. the margin reduced in 2020. pulling put trump five points in north carolina. a lot of people think it is a pipe dream for democrats to win it this year. they will certainly try. look what that does to the electoral college math. do you have trump winning back two states in the sun belt and in the midwestern states but not having carolina, biden would win in the electoral college there. again, that would be flipping a trump state. we will see if the democrats can succeed in doing that, we will see if the republicans can succeed in doing it anywhere. it is only the first look and there are many, many to come. jonathan martin, there's no mystery here. this is michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. we know. >> we seen the movie. >> georgia, they will be fighting. looks like it is trending trumps way but there will be a fight. we know where this race will be decided and we have an eight month road to get there.

>> strapped in. it is predictable where it will be fought. what is less predictable is the contours of the race. i think arizona and georgia were probably the biggest surprises for biden four years ago. i think it will be tough for him to hold on this time around in both states. pennsylvania, of the three great lakes states probably the best one for biden right now. michigan and wisconsin, a tougher. that is where the action is, those three great lakes states. biden holds on and he wins. he loses those three states or one of them and trump probably wins. i don't think it is more complicated than that. >> there is not much of a path for the president otherwise it is a reflection of the campaign's priorities. he was in pennsylvania over the weekend. he has visited pennsylvania by far more than other states other than delaware. he heads to wisconsin and

michigan today. steve did a good job laying out the map. there is one state democrats think they can flip. they acknowledge arizona will be harder this time, georgia will be harder, some worries about nevada. north carolina, though. north carolina, a state where abortion rights will be on the ballot and the republicans nominated a conspiracy theorist and holocaust denier for governor. >> so much of this is pure demography. only the demographics of a certain state, a certain zip code, i can tell you who's going to and that gets to the heart of that split between nevada and north carolina. nevada, much more working- class, dramatically fewer college-educated voters. there's not a big upscale suburb in las vegas. very big different in north carolina. you have two population centers in charlotte and raleigh with a ton of college-educated voters who were republicans who are now up for grabs. that is where the biden folks feel a little better about north carolina and were concerned about nevada. >> north carolina, michigan, detroit. what is going on with the

democrats and the black vote. >> it is more of a gender issue than a racial issue. democrats have a profound challenge with men of all races, especially working-class men and it is not just working- class white men. i think they have a problem with working-class african- americans and hispanics. >> why ? >> part of it is your cultural politics. men tend to be more instinctively conservative, regardless of race. the seat a democratic, a culture has drifted left and they are more accountable because of that. let's be clear, this is a margins game. this is not huge. but, merchants matter in this election. if i percent of black men in milwaukee or detroit to stay home or vote for rfk junior, that is a profound threat to biden. >> rfk junior with aaron rogers as his running mate. >> wisconsin up for grabs. >> yes, aaron rogers on the shortlist to be vice president. an active nfl player, by the way. >> something interesting in georgia last night, was that it

might be trending trumps way. there was a poll that had them within the margin of error. it was interesting to watch, particularly with college- educated republicans. a lot of them went for nikki haley last night. she still got 70,000 protest votes. donald trump won by just under 12,000 last time. that would be an interesting group to watch. >> they are trying to force- feed the pill to the dog. it's like guys, the primary is over. she has dropped out. they still won't take the pill. that gets to the heart of trumps challenge. places like cobb county were one of the beating heart of the realignment in the 70s and 80s from democrats to the gop of health the back. this is a neutral district. they simply don't want to vote for the trump version of the gop. that sure they are sold yet on biden but they are still gettable. up next, michelle obama's mission to get out the vote and

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...like me. the importance of voting has long been the focus of former first lady michelle obama's nonpartisan initiative "when we all vote." >> i grew up in a household where voting was something you did all the time. my father, who had multiple

sclerosis, i remember going to the polling place with him and how much effort it took for him to park his car, to get his crutches, to walk into the church basement in our local neighborhood where he voted and to stand there holding himself up, making sure he cast his ballot. i remember my father doing this exercise every single election and not worrying about whether it was raining or snowing or whether he was tired. i remember accompanying him on these voting excursions to that little church basement. i would watch my dad vote and think what a special responsibility that must be ridiculous be something important for him to take this much time out and push himself to get to the polling place. that is one of the reasons why i don't take voting for granted. >> the groups the goal is to increase civic participation, regardless of party affiliation. this morning, when we also test

named a campaign and communications strategist, beth link as its new executive director. rest joins us now. congratulations. what a job you have. tell us what you plan to do on day one, which i guess is that i. >> well, thank you so much. thank you so much for having me. it is especially poignant to be here on morning joe and my first tv appearance. this is one we launched six years ago with our board chair valerie jarrett. i will say in the last six years, when we all vote has built such a strong foundation rooted in what michelle obama just shared, which is the personal connection to voting. the culture and spirit of civic engagement and participation, that is something we are certainly going to build on this year and something i'm excited to dig into as i step

into this role. >> john paul mary knows a thing or two about this issue. she has the next question. jen. >> congratulations, beth. it is great you are taking this over. i've got to work with some of the folks that preceded these roles. misses obama's message seems like the right mix of a personal story, a compelling story, a sense of history, a sense of family, weaving all these things together. is that what you, do you feel like those kinds of messages are what people need to hear in 24? what are your plans for 24 ? >> our goal is to close the race and age voting gap, change the culture around the voting, and ultimately register new voters and turnout voters. that is what we are looking to do this year. this is obama, our founder, had the goal of establishing a t3 nonpartisan organization to

engage people around voting outside of political parties, outside of specific candidates because of that strong connection to the issues and the opportunity to have strong conversations and engagement around voting and democracy as a practice and it is something that is so core to many of our communities. one of the things, particularly when we talk to young voters, we new young voters are motivated by issues. that is something we will see us talk about quite a bit. we also know, and this is something over the six years that when we all vote has been doing its work, we know it works because we see the voters that we register are more likely to vote. that is really heartening and that is the wind behind her back going into this year. >>, we all know because we've heard from her that this election has michelle obama and many of us extremely stressed about the direction of the country.

i'm curious how much she will engage in this initiative and how much of her we will see taking part in trying to spread the word about when we over. >> so, you know, misses obama obviously is our founder and leader here as we continue this work and we do that in her spirit and with her leadership. when we all vote, through her organization, we are setting three ambitious goals. one, we will be registering voters, 500,000 voters is our goal to get new voters, particularly in our focus states engaged. we also want to turn out 5 million new voters to engage, particularly focused on black and brown communities and engage folks to get out and vote this year. finally, we want to change the culture of democracy. one of misses obama's

superpowers, of which there are many, but one of the things that when we all vote is rooted in its changing culture and having culturally important conversations. one of the things we will do is bring our celebrity cultures, or ambassadors, leaders from the entertainment space to the sports base to have conversations around voting to engage and galvanize and educate people about the process and power in voting and that is going to be a big presence this year. >> executive director of when we all vote, beth link. you will be very busy. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. take care. >> thank you so much. up next, we will take a look at the new series "gentlemen in moscow," based on the best selling book. one of the stars of the show, actor ewan mcgregor will join us next. us next.

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state your name. >> alexander ilyatrostov. >> your class is a threat against russia. it is the judgment of this committee you be returned to the hotel where you will remain for the rest of your days. >> everything comes at a cost. >> we can start again. >> this is still my country. >> they can take away your house, they can take away everything, they can't take away who you are. >> come on, that is an early look at the upcoming paramount

plus miniseries "a gentleman in moscow," based on the best- selling book of the same title. it stars award-winning actor ewan mcgregor as he takes on the role of alexander ilyatrostov, he finds himself imprisoned by the communist party at the metropole hotel. ewan mcgregor and showing her then and still and the author of a gentleman and moscow, he's a coexecutive producer on the show, good morning, guys. i saw you at a dinner last november. i said you really got to make this into a series or a movie. he went to have ewan mcgregor. it's perfect. how exciting is it to look up and see this on the screen right now? >> in many ways, i don't own the book anymore. it's owned by the readers. this team, ewan, ben, the whole group as put so much effort into making 20 book is

translated to the screen and await the fans will be pleased. it is a beautiful rendition. >> in reading this book, it is one of my favorite books of all time, it's so wonderful and rich in detail, what a character the count was. how exciting was it to have been offered this and just to know how far you can take this ? >> it was an amazing thrill. to be the first episode and then read the novel. for an actor, it was wonderful. it was one of the roles of a lifetime, really. just hugely exciting that it's about to come out now. >> and for you to take this wonderful book and make it into a series in this setting where you have a man who has been made to be in a prison of sorts, this a beautiful hotel, how did you seek to bring this to life?

>> it was about capturing the spirit of the book. just going through those present words and we created a show. >> i have to ask you about the mustache. most people assume that is spirit gum. you grew that mustache. >> this early one here with the tiny curly ends, it is not a spoiler to say at one point one of my corals is snipped off in a moment of anger from somebody else. i grew mine just because i've worn fake mustaches in the past and they are miserable. you have to be like this all day so you don't, it doesn't thing off. i didn't want to, it was a long job, six months. i didn't want to be restricted, i wanted to be sorry. i didn't want to be worried about my mustache pinging off. i grew my own. we just try and alter it as he gets older because the story takes place over many, many years.

the mustache morphs as he gets older. >> very impressive. you had to write it out to the writers strike and everything else. it wasn't a short one for the mustache. >> we figured out it had a mustache for a year and a half. >> that is commitment. for people who don't know, the few people that haven't read the book, don't want to give away the entire story but just a snapshot of you then count is and the journey he goes on. >> it is after the revolution in 1920 20, the count is an unrepentant aristocrat but he wrote a column that is popular with the revolutionary generation. rather than execute them, they sent them to this fancy hotel across the street from the kremlin and put him under house arrest. he had to spend 30 years in the hotel rediscovering what his purpose is in life,

reconnecting with making friends, finding new small pleasures and ultimately finding a greater sense of purpose within the confines of the hotel. >> tell us about the shoot and also russia very much in the news to make. do you find some current events seeping into what you were depicting there ? >> it's interesting. we started making the show before the war in ukraine happened. we were up and running and that sort of has changed the world in which we are putting it out and. in some ways it has made it more relevant. ultimately it is about this man faced with this, at odds with the state and the face of adversity and humanity bringing him through. to me, it is always the story about the ability of the human spirit that is something that is universal in ways but especially in the time as we are in, it has even more

importance. >> your car start in this film is your real life wife, mary elizabeth winstead. let's take a look at the moment ewan mcgregor meets his real- life wife, mary elizabeth winstead. >> to those fine creatures belong to you ? >> they do. >>, come to >> i'm afraid they are quite open. >> on the contrary, they appear to be perfectly brad. >> what i meant to say is they are well behaved. >> behavior is a matter of handling, not breeding. >> for that reason, well-paid dogs but in the shortest of which is. >> i believe the most well read

diabetes and the surest defense. >> i'm sure you do. >> that's great. it is so beautiful. working with your wife that romantic way, how was it like to do that on screen ? >> it's a great luxury. it's a pleasure to work with mary, she's an amazing actress. we met working together on fargo season three. there's something incredible about working together and fun. getting out of the house at number 4:30 in the morning to go to work, it is nice to have your wife there to hold hands on the way. it was a lovely thing to do with her. >> i like watching actors watch themselves. as you are watching that clip, what are you thinking ? >> i'm thinking what an odd seduction. it is a brilliantly odd

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hour of morning joe on this saturday morning. we have a lot more of the important conversations you might have missed from the week. take a look. >> it seems the civil suits are the ones having the most impact and are coming around in time for people to actually see what is happening with donald trump. these delays are brutal for anybody who wants to see the former president see a consequence for what they believe he did. let's bring in our msnbc legal contributor and nbc legal analyst and a state attorney for palm beach county. good to have you all. katy fang, your takeaways. i know everybody is just reading this lengthy document. what is your first take away? >> having had the chance to review the order, a lot of is predicted there was no actual conflict of interest because based on the law, the evidence submitted during the course of the hearing, it was clear that did not exist.

the question that judge mcafee was going to apply was the biggest answered. he did a hybrid. no actual conflict but an appearance of impropriety when it comes to specifically the role of a prosecutor is found here. it is a bit of a solomon's choice. do you keep benny willis or nathan wade? you get rid of nathan wade. the delay factor, remember nathan wade patients role in this. he started before the special grand jury was even put together. he kind of spearheaded the investigation. he took the investigation and he spat it into the grand jury and resulted in the participation of the grand jury. you have to think about the institutional and historical knowledge that nathan wade has. all that being said, if the solution here is to move forward with fani willis and

the rest of her team and the other skilled and competent prosecutors with anna cross and john foyt who we know is the king or professor of ricoh in georgia, that is what you do. >> for sure. dave ehrenberg, i'm curious your first gut reaction to this order. >> i think it is a victory for fani willis. she gets to stay on the case and it will continue even though it has been delayed. i think the judge would try to split hairs here and remove nathan wade and keep fani willis but how do you do that? if you don't believe nathan wade, then how do you believe fani willis because she adopted nathan wade's affidavit. the judge decided to try to walk the tight rope. the standard is whether indeed there is a conflict and not a perception of one and there was no actual conflict here. but there is an appearance of impropriety. so one of them has to go and it

will be nathan wade. and quite frankly, it should have happened already. and if it would have, we would not have had this. >> let's get your reaction here. at a minimum, poor judgment by the district attorney. it seems like the choice ahead of her is clear. what are your first immediate thoughts as to what we are reading right now? >> i do want to give katie phang all of her flowers. she was the first of her colleagues to point out the standard of georgia law when it came to the removal of the prosecutor. i have been thinking that since she pointed this out at the beginning of these hearings. there was really only one way that the judge had to go if he was going to follow the law and that is, if there is not evidence of an actual conflict, which we did not see presented, fani willis had to remain as the d.a. she did carveout things with respect to the removal of nathan wade and i did anticipate that there would be a rebuke of the behavior of fani willis and i see on page 9 the judge has written that this finding is by no means an

indication that the court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the district attorney's testimony during the evidentiary hearing. that is very strong language and it is something i expected you would hear from the judge in this case. all of that being said, i think this conversation at least alluded to the notion of polluting the jury pool and is interesting when you think about, no you are talking about, with all these cases, both civil and criminal, the jury pool is the entire elector and it is cross contaminated no matter where you look because of everything that happened and even a decision like this. it will be interesting in the legal realm and the political realm to see how this shapes out. given the fact that at this point, you would have to be living under a rock to not be exposed to some level of information around everything going on. >> this is what we talked about three hours ago. >> it has been a long week. >> there are other ways for

fani willis to face the music because of this terrible lapse in judgment, whether it's ethics charges or whether it's the voters who decide. again, the question is, how does it impact the defendants? it looks like the judge pretty much got to what we were saying three hours ago which was, remove nathan wade. she can continuous prosecutor and then she faces whatever judgment she faces from the voters or ethics panels on her own. >> joe, let me just say that there is a lot for people to chew on if they are opponents of fani willis here, in particular the decision and discussion of her testimony and the speech she gave to the atlanta church is brutal. he says essentially that she didn't cross the line into forensic misconduct when she gave the speech but it is still legally and proper. the phrase "legally proper" is the one i'm sure we will hear

again and again from folks on the defense side as well as the conclusion on page 16, that an odor of mendacity remains. one of the other things i think is interesting here that went on is how judge mcafee, in addition to deciding what the appropriate legal standard here is, also took us to his thinking about the evidence. he tells us that terrence bradley, and this should be no surprise to anybody that watch to the, essentially was not a credible witness. he had known too brutal of a foundation for anybody to rest the case on him. he also talked about the fact that fani willis' former friend, an employee of the district attorney's office who claimed the relationship began sometime in 2019, or 2020, that that lacked context and detail that allowed him to put very much stake in what she had to say. but he did consider, he says, the cell phone testimony. that is essentially the affidavit from an expert that

was trying to interpret the cell phone data that trump tried to put in at the last minute and he also says he considered what he characterizes as an unorthodox decision by fani willis to talk extensively to the author and co-author of the book "find the votes." that is something the judge made a lot out of the evidentiary hearings but said that it was the defendant's burden to establish a conflict of interest here at the end of the day. and even though an actual conflict of interest need not be one, according to judge mcafee, that prejudice is the defendant's. but that they just fell short of establishing conclusively, in his mind, that there was an actual conflict of interest that justified the disqualification. nonetheless, he was so troubled by the other stuff that went on, including this order of mendacity were in the end, he gives the creative choice to fani willis. i don't think we will hear the end of this. i think we will see people on

the trump side write letters to the state bar asking them to further investigate fani willis, nathan wade and terrence bradley for the testimony they gave in this proceeding and ask them to take some disciplinary action against one or all of them with respect to what they said to the judge. >> we have a lot more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. shback l with chase freedom unlimited. po how do you cashback? here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting...

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i have known prime minister benjamin netanyahu for a very long time. while we have vehemently disagreed on many occasions, i will always expect his extraordinary bravery for israel on the battlefield as a younger man. i believe in his heart, he has his highest priority being the security of israel. however, i also believe prime minister netanyahu has lost his way by allowing his political

survival to take the precedence over the best interest of israel . >> joining us now, a columnist for the new york times, thomas friedman. his entitled peace is entitled "netanyahu is making israel retroactive." >> what do you make of leader chuck schumer's comments? >> i thought they were important and courageous and i think they were right on. i think that friends don't let friends drive drunk and israel embarked on a war against hamas in gaza that was a war of survival. it was extremely important. it was justified in terms of israel pack for self-defense. but it had to be done in a way, mika, where it was framed in a legitimacy framework that would enable israel to stay in the

war and sustained both arab and western allies and i believe prime minister netanyahu has not fought in the war that way and i think what chuck schumer has done is opened the space for a real discussion in the democratic party and also in american politics at large, where we can have a frank conversation with israel without it being one of hostility of, where you going here? because where you are going, we think is not only going under your interest but the whole diplomatic security structure that the united states built in the middle east since camp david. >> what is israel's best way forward at this point? >> on october 19th, i wrote a column. the headline was "israel is about to make a terrible mistake."

i will redo the first the first paragraph "i believe that if there israel rushes into gaza and without exposing a clear commitment to seek a two state solution with the palestinian authority and a jewish settlements deep in the west bank, it would be a grave mistake that would be devastating for israeli interest in american interest." why did i say that? because israel is fighting a three front war. first of all, this is the first war israel has fought in the age of tiktok where so many people around the world could follow this war on their smart phone and because of that, narrative was very important. and the second unique feature about the war is because hamas had dug 350-400 miles of tunnels underneath gaza and then started this war, it was inevitable that there would be a lot of civilian casualties for israel to get at hamas.

therefore, you needed to have a legitimacy framework to say, we are going there to destroy hamas, which was a fundamental threat to us which killed in raped and killed kids in front of their parents and parents in front of their kids. we are going to get them, not just as an end to itself but to create a context for a different kind of israeli palestinian relationship more broadly in between israel and gaza number one. israel was fighting the war in the age of tiktok and it is a war that would have a lot of civilian casualties. you needed to wrap it in a wrapping of legitimacy. second, this war, you had to have the end game. this was israel that fought four wars with hamas before this. but none of those were wars of dismantlement. this is the first time israel was trying to dismantle hamas. and if you are trying to dismantle hamas, you need to have a vision of what will

replace hamas so you are not saying to the world, we are not just going to occupy the west bank and definitely but we are going to occupy gaza and definitely. and thirdly, this is a regional war. besides israel's were with hamas, it is facing a threat from iran and its proxies throughout the region. hezbollah and shiite militias. and to confront that regional alliance, joe and mika, you needed another alliance. you needed america to access arab allies to confront that network threat. the necessary cement for such a regional alliance was that israel have a vision long term. not for tomorrow but long term for additional relationship with palestinians. given the unique nature of the war, israel needed to go into it with the vision. israel has a prime minister now he was on capable, unwilling

and politically unable to articulate such a vision because he is a captive of the far right coalition which he has built. >> as the credits -- president of the united states has upped his criticism of benjamin netanyahu, netanyahu has pushed back further. saying we appreciate the alliance with the united states and the support but effectively, i'm going to do what i'm going to do regardless. so what is the president to do with an ally like that? with a prime minister like that he wasn't listening to what he is saying or listening to the fact that you have written about many times that he has walked right into the trap set by hamas with its unprecedented savagery on october 7th that it now walks into this trap of killing civilians and for hamas, it is a death call that a dead gazan to them as a victory because it makes israel

look bad. what does president biden do with benjamin netanyahu? >> i give the president a lot of credit for how he has handled this. he understands that hamas is not out for a two state solution. hamas is so much more of a threat to palestinians and israelis. it has done everything it could since its founding in 2006, 2007, to destroy the two state solution. >> next, we will speak with the new york times reporter who spoke with a number of trump voters from the last two election to this time around have decided that enough is enough.

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donald trump in 2016 and 2020 but now say they are looking for another candidate this time around. good morning to you both. so patrick, where they looking? >> they are looking at rfk junior. they have gone to some of his events and they definitely have absorbed the message. and the energy they are most attracted to is that antiestablishment outsider message that they saw and cave trump credibility for in 2016. but the most interesting ones were people who really care about american democracy and talked about the importance of their freedoms. but they still didn't quite see president biden in a way they could protect that the way they wanted to. even though president biden is talking powerfully about it. >> you can talk about robert kennedy, last name kennedy, being antiestablishment and an outsider and that is a long conversation for another day. what is it about the donald trump side of things that has

them turning away after going along in 2016 and sticking with him in 2020? what is different now? >> they were two points that came up repeatedly where people said, you just lost me. it was january 6th and it was the documents in mar-a-lago. they really felt like this was trump acting above the law, entitled. they didn't like that. the twitter rhetoric, they can take, treating documents as his own, they did not like. and january 6, they saw an insurrection. they saw something they did not recognize in the republican party. it was a mix of republicans and independents. just too far beyond the pale even for them. >> these are people who in 2016 saw him as the classic outsider. they are very much like that energy. but these are people who felt like they could tell the difference between american and anti- american and they saw trump's behavior since january

6th is more on the latter. >> let us bring you in on this. his potential running mate. looking to play some sort of role this november. certainly is school of thought that third-party candidates usually damage democrats. i know and you know a lot of members of the party are worried about the likes of jill stein or whoever it might be. robert kennedy junior, that will hurt biden in some ways. but could be detrimental to donald trump too. >> yes. particularly like you saw last night, considering aaron rodgers and jessie ventura, my thought is, if this is where his brain is, it is more likely to draw from trump. i think what makes democrats most comfortable in the biden team most comfortable is the rematch.

biden, trump and the fact that these people exist in the world. and also put out a gray ad that had a number, dozens or hundreds, dozens at least, republicans voting for trump. and it is about the classified documents and january 6. it is interesting that that is the breaking point. that is good territory for biden. i have also heard -- i don't think rfk has been tested at all. there has not been a lot of vetting of him. i have seen focus groups where he comes up. people like the idea of him and sometimes they see video of things he says and they are concerned. i don't know if it is possible to ask the question of patrick but i would be interested to know how much these voters actually know about rfk or is he a vessel for them or are they really familiar? and are they worried about -- are they so worried about trump

that, -- if you argue for rfk, you could argue that means trump will win. you have a sense that would be motivating for them to not do that? if they are really worried about rfk and the outcome or if they just want a vessel for their vote? >> that is a great question. some of them were worried about a wasted vote essentially. throwing away the vote on a third party candidate who couldn't win. but several of them, i think you are vessel point is the right one. several of them just don't want to participate in the rematch. they are upset about an american political system that gives them two candidates who they don't like and don't believe in. so they very much feel like rfk junior at least right now is someone who speaks to their desire to sort of stay outside the system. i would say a few of them

definitely knew pretty granular details about his positions, even on issues like abortion and democracy that are stronger from their point of view for president biden. >> it is kind of an extra in a moment last week for rfk junior when he was asked on a podcast about flying twice on jeffrey epstein's planes. i'm in new york for most of my life. you run into everybody. i knew harvey weinstein and i knew roger ailes and i knew o.j. simpson. he came to my house. bill cosby came to my house. that was from rfk junior. >> what is with the tolerance of american voters for comments like these. it used to be like, who are these guys kidding? we are not going to put them in charge. but for whatever reason, people have really lowered the bar on what they are able to accept. >> you lead me in my next question back to donald trump which is, is the character or lack thereof just baked in at this point? people say it is just him being him. no. he has been found by a jury liable for sexual assault and he is about to sit for a trial where he allegedly paid off a

pornography star so she would keep quiet at the 2016 election while his wife was at home with the new baby. we talked about the reporting from general kelly that said donald trump had a fondness for adolf hitler. when you talk to these focus groups to they just say, that's just donald trump? >> the character is baked in on the rhetoric, on the language he uses. even lines like calling vermin. but not baked it on the actions. on january 6. taking classified documents to mar-a- lago. that is where there is more trouble. i'm fascinated about the stormy daniels case you mentioned. the whole question of weather trump is convicted in one of these criminal cases, could it hurt him with republican voters? i found myself wondering on the character question, if he was convicted in the stormy daniels case, that might not have the kind of negative impact as if he was convicted in one of

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republican senator katie britt of alabama says she was reassured by house speaker mike johnson that her rebuttal to president biden packed the state of the union address would be quote fine. the new revelation comes following a week of backlash over her performance and criticism surrounding her misleading story about a sex trafficking victim. she sat down with senator ted cruz on his podcast. >> the funny thing is, he said, don't worry. people will tell you horror stories about all of these things that happen. and

people's career being blown up over it. he's like, it will be fine. it will be fine. >> the thing that is the coolest as you are played by scarlett johansson. >> how awesome is that? >> scarlett johansson is hot. i'm genuinely jealous. because snl has come after me a bunch of times. they don't never have tom cruise play me. how can you get it gorgeous movie star. >> britt went on to add that her crime was putting quote to those much passion and too much heart and soul into her speech. this as an nbc news analysis shows senator britt has told her misleading anecdote about sex trafficking at least five separate times and press conferences and cable news interviews over the last year to criticize the biden administration's border policies. >> and she knows exactly what

she is doing. politicians will do this. i don't think to this degree but politicians will do this. they will tell stories and exaggerate. she blurted a lot of things together. after she is caught red handed trying to make something that happened during the bush administration, trying to attach that to joe biden and to say, how could this happen in america, basically and joe biden's america, is kind of dry. i'm a big believer in this case to say, i screwed up. i made a mistake. forgive me. i won't do it again. we do have a much bigger problem in the u.s. people will be fine with that. i don't think she can do that though. >> i agree. her defense was odd when she said, i was never trying to criticize the biden administration, but she was giving the response to the

president biden state of the union address in an election year in which joe biden was running against donald trump and immigration was a huge issue. so why would you be criticizing anything other than joe biden's policies at that particular moment? i just didn't make since. and the news is coming out that she has used the story several times. it is hard to believe she didn't know, if a story she used multiple times has become part of her speech. it is hard to believe her and her team didn't know that was a story from back in the bush administration. and joe, congress has such low approval ratings at the moment, in part because people don't feel they are getting the truth from congress. how refreshing is it when a politician actually has the courage to say, i messed up and i'm sorry? i think that will win huge amount of kudos with voters and doesn't diminish what you are trying to do. >> you have to actually care to say that.

this is trump's bench. this is the next generation of trump republicans who not only live for a living but they don't care who they are hurting or the fact that they are lying. >> and we talked about meeting a couple members and again, good people. it seemed like they were getting into politics, public service for the right reason. and then stefanik, just randomly, weirdly decided to go from being this mainstream republican to just a total trump maga freak. and if you knew her before that decision, you would understand what a loss that is, not only to the republican party but to the country because she really could have made a big difference.

katie britt, when i spoke to her during the sec championship game, same impression. she seemed to be. and people after they saw me talking saying, i know you are conservative, joe and she is one of us. she is like pre-trump republican. she is like the ronald reagan republican. she is one of the good ones. and i was like, that is just absolutely awesome. so when i saw her speech i was like, i felt sorry for her actually and she was just thrown out there. so i didn't judge her for that. i wanted her to just clean up fast by saying, i wasn't ready. >> we are all human. you wipe it off and keep going. but this story, she needs to own up to it. she is not donald trump and she could be so much more.

just needs to say, i screwed up. i'm sorry. let's move on. is there any room for that in trump's party? >> not on trump's party. you see how someone like katie britt, who i had heard from other people in politics that yes, she is a serious person. she was the chief of staff to a senator that is a very rigorous job. it takes a lot of knowledge about policy and politics. part of the problem with her presentation was that she actually is a norm he, she is normal. but trying to be trump be. so it is authentic. it doesn't work. it is and who she is. now she has gone down this path and it is hard to extract yourself when you go there. as a former speechwriter, i cannot believe a major address would not have had basic fact checking. whoever works for her and hadn't figured out that the anecdote was factually incorrect on the second or third time she used it is just

very embarrassing. it is bad staff work and it shows a lack of judgment on her part. >> again, i don't think they care. >> also, whoever was coaching her, this is what you do. be yourself. be yourself, senator. that is all she had to do. when she is herself and relaxed and talking and she is not trying to be overly dramatic, it worked extraordinarily well for her. so you have that and then you have again the lie, or the very strong suggestion, the misimpression that somehow this multiple raping happened in joe biden's america and her anguished cry that she couldn't

believe this was happening in our country. she could have said it was happening in our country under george w. bush and barack obama. she could have said that. but instead, she left the impression that it was biden. >> and it was in mexico. i'm sorry, that's right. that it was in mexico. >> misleading is an understatement. >> it was a lie. >> the woman lied flat out and she is doubling down. >> so just clean it up and move on. >> the state of georgia looks like it will once again be at the center of a presidential election. >> democratic senator raphael warnock of that state tells us what democrats can do to try to keep it blue this year. could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside -

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and battleground georgia. the polls suggest a close race. aides have acknowledged that they believe georgia could be harder to win this time around partly because your name is not on the ballot as well. talk to us about the challenges and the opportunities for the president in your state in terms of whether it is suburban voters, turning them out about issues of abortion rights or trying to win back black voters that might be torn with donald trump. give us the ladle end. >> at the end of the day, it is a binary choice. and that became official just last night. i think that as we get closer to november, people will see that the difference between these two candidates could not be more stark. the stakes could not be higher. and proud of the work i have been able to do alongside the president and the vice president. and proud of the fact that my bill cap to the cost of

insulin. no more than $35 of out-of- pocket cost for seniors. we need to get that done for everybody. insulin should not be expensive. with one arm behind his back because republicans were suing him, the president did $138 billion of student debt relief. i go into rooms all the time and this is something i have been doing the last few weeks. i asked people, do you know of anybody or perhaps you, having had your student debt relieved, do you know somebody who has benefited from this? and hands go up in every room i have gone in. $130 billion of student debt relief impacting 3.8 million americans now dealing with these fees and issues. not to mention our democracy is on the ballot. as we get closer to november, you have to see georgia rev up the way it has in the past and send joe biden back to the white house. >> senator, after president biden's state of the union, you

said to him that he delivered a sermon up there. i'm curious, how and where should he do more preaching like that? >> he needs to keep preaching the gospel and tell the story. that is what i do every sunday morning. it might not be good news but somebody has to tell it. and we have a lot of good news. and proud of the investments we have seen in georgia. no state has seen more investments and clean energy under the biden administration. and in terms of black voters, we have seen the scope 60% since the pandemic. we have seen a 30 year record and terms of the increase in black businesses. we have seen $7 billion of historic investments and historically black colleges and universities like the one i attended at morehouse. as we get closer, people will

see that this is a binary choice and it is really about the soul of the country as joe biden has been preaching for years now. do we want the america of january fifth that sent a black kid who grew up in public housing, and a jewish kid who is the son of an immigrant, to the united states senate in order to deliver brown jackson, the first black woman on the united states supreme court? or do we want the america of january sixth led by the insurrection president. i want america that embraces everybody. rural white kids across georgia and brown and black kids trying to make their way and our native american sisters and brothers. donald trump is trying to divide us because people have no vision, traffic and division. i think this is the choice

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limited number of ventilators and more patients than ventilators available? what do we do if we have more patients and beds available? >> can you believe it was four years ago this week. >> everything changed. >> and 2020, the world changed forever when covid spread across the globe. the pandemic pushed america's healthcare system to the brink presenting first responders with a crisis unlike anything they had ever seen before. pediatric surgeon, doctor cornelia griggs, kept a diary of her experience during the peak of the pandemic and that diary is the basis of her pneuma more and tighter local the sky was falling," a young surgeon's story of survival and hope. thank you so much for coming on the show. this book has been recommended to us in so many different ways. tell us why you decided --

first of all, i understand why he decided to write it down. but to publish this book, what do you hope people will learn from it and tell us the stories that you share in it. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. this book was absolutely a labor of love. and the most meaningful reception this week has come from other healthcare workers and people that suffered during the covid pandemic, especially in the first week, that found a piece of their story in my writing. for me, writing it all down during that crisis was extremely therapeutic. it was how i processed all the tragedy and trauma i was living and working through. and i wrote this book because it is ultimately a story of redemption and i hope that people will find a piece of how they were brave and fought to survive during that time. >> the healthcare workers from the front lines in so many

ways. >> often not equipped. >> and none of us were equipped. nobody was equipped for this. this is why four years later, all the second-guessing that continues, they should have done this or that and the story changed so many times. when in fact, just about everybody was flying blind. this was something unlike any other pandemic since 1919. how frightening was it for you and other healthcare providers early on? >> absolutely. this was like living through a very long and drawn out horror movie in ways that a lot of us never anticipated we would see in our lifetimes. and it was a huge strain on the healthcare systems. i remember walking to work and just seeing the lines of people growing and growing outside of our emergency rooms which began to look like a war zone. the refrigerated trucks, even

when i went back to do edits and record the audiobook, there were memories and moments that i had fought to repress and forget about. like so many people, i'm sure, we are sick of thinking about covid and talking about covid but i think we only have begun to scratch the surface of the collective trauma we all experienced, not only in the hospital but at home. and we are reckoning with the consequences of covid as we struggle to figure out how to get people back into the workplace. hospitals are still rebuilding and there is so much we haven't talked about or addressed. >> that is all the time we have for today. we will be back tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for more morning joe weekend. for now, keep attuned right here for msnbc's "the weekend" ." . good morning. it is saturday, march