welcome back to the weekend everyone. special prosecutor nathan wade has officially stepped down from the georgia election interference case. his resignation coming hours after judge scott mcafee found there was no actual conflict stemming from nathan wade's relationship with fani willis and the prosecution of trump and his codefendants could continue as long as either nathan wade or fani willis resigned. joining us to discuss it all is our friend, katie phang, attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc and our other friend, justice and legal affairs analyst, anthony coley. coley is a former senior advisor to attorney general merrick garland. >> anthony coley wrote a piece for msnbc.com talking and has

tweets. that without sufficient evidence that the district attorney -- and the prosecution, you talk about willis making a strong argument for why she said stay on the case against trump but she needs to remove her team, the attorney from whom she had a personal relationship. you talked about the second one we put up months ago. you said month ago that nathan wade has to go. fani willis should stay. you had some tweets yesterday. talk to us about how you see this. you yourself are not an attorney but you said the chief attorney of the country, how do you see this situation playing out in georgia? >> you saw nathan wade, from all accounts, he is a good dude but his continuation on this case is a distraction. i do want to give him credit. fani willis tried to find a lot of people to help her with this

case. he was the one who stepped up and said yes. this is even after he had a cancer scare. and to his credit, under his leadership, they have secured four guilty pleas in this case and this is the only case of the four major cases where there has been a guilty plea. i give him credit for that. should he have engaged in a relationship with his boss? probably not. but at the core, the relationship did not have anything to do with the underlying effort, trump's effort, to steal and election and secondly, there was no financial benefit here. i wish he had stepped down earlier instead of the two and a half month delay. but i'm glad he did because now we can focus on what happened. >> it is not just about the relationship and my mind but the perception of the

relationship and the context of a very high profile case against the former president of the united states and a lot of the politics that build up around them. when you look at the judge's ruling, he was not polite. let's put it that way, and his assessment of the prosecutor's behavior, both of their behaviors. what was your take away from that moment? the politics notwithstanding but looking at it first from a legal standpoint. that kind of reprimand if you will. like you can still play but he's got to go. >> the challenge that i offer you to the question you posed to me is, i don't think you can eliminate the politics from the question. i think they are intertwined. the reason i say that is i respectfully agree with anthony and others who i think are brilliant. but here is the flaw in the logic they have. this would have happened no matter what. even if both nathan wade and

fani willis said from day one, we were in a relationship past tense and that is the other important thing. that relationship was over as of last year. before the case went to the grand jury and was indicted for the 19 codefendants. even if they had fallen on a sword, not like they did anything wrong, and said we had a personal relationship. i would give everything to bet that this hearing would have happened no matter what because this is exactly what the defendants wanted to advance. and from a legal standpoint, they raised a question about disqualification, that is the reason judge mcafee had to conduct the hearing. but. the hearing on the way it was conducted was done pursuant to the rules of evidence in criminal procedure. i take no umbrage with the judge when it comes to that. but when it comes to the ruling itself, michael, there is a point in the ruling about eight pages and where the analysis could have stopped. forgiving maybe some of the other parts where he did an assessment of a credibility on for people like terrence

bradley, et cetera. but the analysis could have stopped where there is no evidence of an actual conflict of interest because there is no evidence of any financial benefit, et cetera. that is where you could have had the cessation of the analysis, but not. he went further. if you look and drill down on the law for the purpose of impropriety, he admits that it is really kind of dealing with personal relationships with witnesses and victims, et cetera, which none of us, including me, would ever disagree with him about. but that is not with the factual scenario was here. he also goes forward in his ruling saying it is a fact- based analysis. if that is the case, when he heard that the defense couldn't carry its burden, that was a place for him to say, they didn't carry the burden and i'm not disqualifying. the added commentary is what takes the prosecution moving forward. the added commentary is what i said last night about saying he gave fani willis the chance to

here the defect which she cured a having nathan wade stepped down who was a leading prosecutor on the case next to her but it's really not cured because now she moves forward with this order of mendacity this weekend and that is a problem. >> that is not the only shot hanging over this. it is clear the politics and the legality is inextricable. you have comer saying he wants to subpoena fani willis and a governor signing a law providing penalties. >> that is right. >> and what we are seeing here is an effort by conservatives in georgia who are just trying to overrule the will of the elected officials, particularly progressive officials. the big picture, fani willis was elected by the people of georgia and she should be allowed to continue her work on the case. i know that michael, you had a,

and we were talking before. i'm not sure if you agree completely with that but she should be allowed to continue. >> i guess she should at this point. i just think though, given the nature, the intersection as katy and i were just talking, of politics and law, with the judiciary, wiser heads would have been, how much damage is is creating by my presence in this matter, given how it is being used to harm the prosecution of the case? for me, i just think that, you take a slide to the right or the left but you are not centerstage. >> can i say something? >> yeah. >> they tried to steal an election. the former president of the united states of america and his little friends as my mother

would say, tried to steal an election. and the d.a., fani willis, is seeking to hold them accountable. and because she sought the accountability, they, the former president and his friends, allies, ashley merchant, the attorney for one of those individuals, they have been trying to distract us with salacious gossip because that is what this is. it worked so much so that very well-meaning people who know a lot, a lot of smart lawyers in this country are walking around and saying, i don't know if fani willis should stay in the case. this was a distraction. >> that is my point. >> they don't have anything to hang on alvin braggs. >> they didn't have anything about fani willis. i'm so animated about this. i'm sorry. i'm very animated about this

because we all have a duty i think to remind people about what this is really about and frankly, if fani willis was a man named frank, i don't believe they would have been able to distract us with the salacious gossip about, frank hired susie so that frank could financially benefit from susie being on the case. it is a little sexist and it is a little racist. >> you are focusing -- can i just say that you are focusing us on what really matters here. and i think about the moment when fani willis said, i'm not the one on trial here. so what does it mean when you zoom out for accountability for donald trump who was on trial? >> fani willis tried to redirect the meaning of what is happening here. the role she is taking is to make sure accountability is not had for her but donald trump and his codefendant to try to

overturn the results of a lawful election in the state of georgia. accountability is defined in so many ways. you can have accountability at the ballot box. when it comes to justice, i was talking with one of my producers this morning about the fact that a lot of us are tired and we feel fatigue. the way trump has gained the legal system looks like he will never see accountability. the way you and i would. and if any of us were just joe defendant were jolene defended and we went to court, we wouldn't be able to gain in a system like this. i think that is why i have talked about the trump of fact. it isn't just a double standard but in effect on the system. people saying, this is such a big case. why would you want to have a pile law and of or bad scrutiny on such a big case? shouldn't you be minding your.'s thank you so much more? you should. but why are we always treating him so much differently than any other defendant. what he has done is leticia

james, with alvin bragg and now fani willis, trump redirects the focus from him and his criminal action to things like a black woman with cash boxes at her home. that is what he does. he does it effectively and i think what has always been an underestimation of him is that still. that is a really good skill set when you are a criminal defendant by the way. >> here is my thing here. and katy was right in terms of trump redirecting. trump is going to redirect his comments and his vitriol to anybody and everybody. it doesn't matter who sits in the seat. these people are ruthless and they are focused. to remember the song "all i do is win win win no matter what"? that is what donald trump is trying to do. trying to win no matter what and no matter how. it doesn't matter who sits in the seat.

the people are playing dirty and playing for keeps and they are not going to stop. no matter if fani willis is the lead prosecutor or not. >> you need to know that when you get into the ring. you need to know that when you get into the ring. and if you don't know that, you will get pummeled every time. that is the one thing donald trump has done effectively. this week he won because he is gotten everything he wanted. a delay of every trial and you all need to understand that. >> we will be right back. al eactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. with chase freedom unlimited, you can cashback 3% on dining including take-out. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or the tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. well, good luck with that. earn big with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee.

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and dismissing the classified documents case this week rejecting claims that the espionage act was unfairly made when used against the former president. she also showed skepticism over dismissing charges based on the presidential records act saying, "it is difficult to see how this statute would be the dismissal of the indictmen ." >> katie phang and anthony

coley are back with us. >> i have some real issues with the judge in this case. i would call your attention to the political reporting that at the end of thursday's session can and promised to roll promptly but made no mention of the schedule for a trial and how close she is to resolving a wide array of legal issues raised by the case or even one other defense motions may be argued. my truth is this. she don't want to move this thing along because this pace helps trump. i know that is a terrible thing to say but i am looking objectively at the process here and particularly how i feel in so many ways that she has found a way to put her finger on the scale. and opposed to sitting back as an arbiter of facts and the process and saying, let's keep this going people. >> i agree with you 1000%. i think the motion was necessary and the hearing was

necessary. one of the things i know from my time at the doj and katie phang knows this as well, is that the government wins upwards of 95% of these types of cases. cases that deal with retention, unauthorized retention of classified documents. and the judge knows this. so she is trying, to your point, preventing the trial from even starting. i think she is trying to fix the fight before the fight gets started. the thing about the case is that the evidence is overwhelming and it includes videotape from mar-a-lago and it includes photographic evidence and importantly, it includes a first-hand witness account. these are not people that might have overheard something from somebody's second cousin. >> they were direct actors. >> and had been mar-a-lago employees for years and in some

cases, decades. >> you cannot divorce what we saw in the courtroom this week with the judge from what we also sell on capitol hill this week with the testimony of robert hur, the special counsel that was investigating president biden's classified documents. donald trump literally tried to make the case that he and biden's document situation was the same and because of that, this is a political prosecution because president biden himself is not being charged and robert hur in his report said that it in fact was different. and wondering how you saw the judge's courtroom antics, if you will, this week and robert hur on capitol hill. >> i'm going to add to what anthony said. you have donald trump admitting that he took the records saying

he had them and he kept them and he had this bizarre, completely illegal interpretation of the presidential records act saying he was allowed to make them personal. putting that aside, last i checked, there is only one president or former president that has been indicted for violating the espionage act obstruction falsities and wrongful and illegal retention of classified documents and that is donald trump. it is not joe biden. mike pence was not even prosecuted for it. the one thing that hur did well, the one thing that hur did well in his report and what he did in congress this week, he reemphasized, when questioned, the distinction, the blatant distinction between what joe biden did and what donald trump did and it hinged 100% on intent. illegal, correct, wrongful intent to be able to retain documents that didn't belong to you. joe biden, when questioned, turned them back over.

assisted, opened his home and said please come in. and donald trump, as it was set forth in hur's report, you can see what donald trump did wrong. and i think that that is what america should have taken away from the hur congressional hearing and not that joe biden did anything wrong. >> i want to listen to some of the sound from the hearing. this is congressman eric swalwell pressing her on future trump appointments. take a listen. >> you want to be perceived, understandably, as credible. i want to first see if you will pledge to not accept an appointment from donald trump if he is elected again as president. >> congressman, i am not here to testify -- >> it seems like an easy answer. >> i'm here to talk about the report and the work that went into it. but you don't want to be associated with that guy, do you? >> congressman, i'm not here to offer opinions about what may or may not happen in the future. i'm here to talk about what went into the report which is what i stand by. >> i want to know what you

made of that exchange and what this means for the integrity at the doj itself. >> i was at the justice department at the time of this appointment. i talked to robert hur myself as head of the office of human affairs and we had high hopes that robert hur would do what he was assigned to do and that is to call the balls and strikes as they are and to be apolitical. in retrospect, i would say this is somebody who has a great deal of respect for the attorney general and in retrospect, the attorney general made the wrong choice in selecting robert hur to be the special counsel. i think garland should have appointed a special counsel who was perhaps at the end of a distinguished legal career and not someone who was midcareer robert hur in his early 50s. and in my opinion, he wrote a report that was designed to safeguard his employment and the future of the administration. >> katie phang, i want to get

your reaction to an interesting exchange between jim jordan and adam schiff during the hur hearing. take a quick listen to this. >> joe biden broke the law. but because he is a forgetful old man, who would appear so pathetic to a jury, mr. hur chose not to bring charges. >> you understood when you made the decision that you would ignite a political firestorm without language, didn't you? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> but you understood nevertheless. >> it really touches on exactly what anthony was just saying. how do you see this moment when you look at everything as an example of the complexities but also the problem we are in right now where everything is beaten down and bloodied by the politics and you cannot look at the behavior of an independent

actor like mr. hur, without thinking, you saw him as a sympathetic old man and you chose not to charge him, implying what? or you wanted to find some political advantage by taking advantage of an opportunity to get an appointment from the next president if that is the case. how do you assess this moment when you hear these types of responses? >> michael, the answer is simple. words matter. words matter. and that is what adam schiff was trying to discuss with robert hur. his choice, hur's choice to include language, that from a prosecutorial standpoint was relevant, right. it was part of the analysis as to why he wouldn't prosecute the case but it was not relevant to the analysis of whether or not a crime had been committed. that is the distinction. as a prosecutor, you do take into assessment whether or not

there is a sympathetic defendant, witness or victim. maybe not a credible victim or witness. those things come into play. for purposes of robert hur's job, that was not supposed to be included in the report. joe biden is a sympathetic and forgetful old man is the same as the mcafee order of mendacity. that is what is happening. the addition of words because words matter create ammunition for the other side to use in a way that misleads the american public. when you mislead the american public, you say stuff like forgetful old man and it gives ammunition for the other side to go after joe biden. a footnote, and it isn't even a footnote but should be the title of any kind of newspaper or media, donald trump is incompetent. donald trump is the forgetful old man. so that is really the headline. it is not that joe biden comes across as a sympathetic old man. >> katy and anthony, there is still more to come and more to discuss like why the judge in

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i don't know about you all but it seems every criminal case against donald trump is getting delayed. what is up with that? >> on friday, the new york judge overseeing the trump hush money trial postponed proceedings for 30 days. trump's team filed a request to delay after tens of thousands of pages of discovery were handed to them on the last minute this week. the manhattan district attorney alvin break that supported the postponement said the documents are "largely irrelevant to the subject matter of the case." back with us, katie phang and anthony coley. to me, this is the most annoying and disturbing part of this. these documents were in play a year ago and now all the

sudden, the whole thing is being thrown off for 30 days. i just put it on the table. help us understand how this is allowed to happen and again, another way the trump team will punk the system holding back to the last minute and saying, by the way, i need to file the amendment and i need all of this done. >> exactly. as i understand it, michael, this wasn't trump. as i understand it anthony coley, was an unforced error not handing these documents over in a timely manner. >> that is what i mean. what is going on with the department of justice? maybe it is a misunderstanding? >> it could very well be a misunderstanding with the u.s. attorney's office just yesterday -- i should say the district attorney's office filed a statement where they made clear that there prior request to the southern district of new york wasn't

included so it is unclear to me, if i said that the right way, that the request they made from the district attorney's office was the same universe of documents that trump subpoenaed. so i don't think we know what is happening here. let me say this about the case. what we know, without a doubt is that donald trump will always try to impute on the integrity of the judges on the prosecutors or anyone associated with these cases. he is about to come with the fire against the judge. we haven't really talked about this as much. but he, trump, really wanted him to be recused from the case because of three political donations the judge made in 2020. they were collectively less than $50. one of the donations was to joe biden. another one of the donations was to an organization called

"stop republicans." according to new york ethics rules, a sitting judge is allowed to make those donations. personally, i think just because you are allowed to do something, in this case, you shouldn't have done it. >> that is what i was saying earlier. >> and donald trump wanted him removed because he said he couldn't fairly take a look at his case because of his race and ethnicity. >> the problem with us not being together is that you are missing the katie phang faces in realtime. i don't even know what to make of the case. i know that she has much to say. >> i have the best poker face. i don't know what you are talking about. this is what we need to say about the case. we all need to seriously watch this case. now because it is the first one to go to trial for criminal case for donald trump. but if you look at the letter that was written yesterday, it is very telling. there will be a hearing on march 25th now. that was supposed to be the first day of the jury trial.

during the hearing, both sides, including the united states attorney's office, the manhattan da's office and the defense have to come prepared to show all the e-mail correspondence that has been transmitted by and between to obtain the documents. the judge wrote in the letter, i will do a 30 day adjournment from the date of the letter. it isn't 30 days from march 25th but from yesterday's letter. he did say that to address the motion to dismiss. and for sanctions filed by the defense, because of discovery violations. discovery violations happen all the time. but the most egregious discovery violations can result in sanctions or dismissal. what the defense is seeking is the striking of witnesses like michael cohen, stephanie clifford, who is stormy daniels and the expert witness for the state. so i would be very careful on how we are viewing this as just a delay in the trial and i

would be more exact about the fact of what is at stake here is not just, when are we going to trial but are we going to even get there? and what will be left of the manhattan d.a.'s case if the u.s. attorney's office starts pointing fingers at the manhattan da's office and said, i don't know what you are talking about. you already have it or give it to already and that is what we will find out on the 25th of march. >> anthony coley, thank you so much. you are show katie phang's today and every saturday at noon eastern right here on msnbc. next, president biden hits the road and two crucial blue states to make sure the wall he has worked hard to rebuild does not crumble on election day. representative dan kildee is joining us next. you are watching the weekend on msnbc.

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done. >> today, we are making decisions that will transform your lives in decades to come and we are doing it all across america. >> as the unofficial general election kicks off, president biden took his election on the road making stops in wisconsin and michigan. joining us now is democratic congressman dan kildee from michigan. he met with president biden thursday in his state. welcome. >> congressman, you are with president biden. can you talk to us about what you saw from your vantage point on the trip because you are with him. >> he was right in my district. he was at home in saginaw. it was a group of democratic volunteers across the spectrum. and there is enthusiasm there. i think we have to acknowledge, and i talked to the president about this, is that we have a couple of unique challenges in michigan that we have to address. >> what are those challenges?

>> number one, that we repetitively tell the story about the biden economic policy and what it means for people in michigan. when i talk about economic policies, i mean broadly. investment and new manufacturing. it also includes protecting the economic long term future of american women and michigan women by making sure they can make their own choices when it comes to reproductive rights. that is not just a social question. it is an economic question. we have to drive that message home. and then more difficult question of course is, we have to take head-on the challenges that we face in the middle east. the israel hamas war with a really large arab and muslim population in michigan. it is creating difficulty. we have to address it. we have to have the conversation. those 13% of michigan democratic voters that voted uncommitted are voices and need to be heard. they are not people that are

completely lost to us. maybe in some cases they are and i understand that. i happen to share their view. i support a cease-fire. i think the israel prosecution of the war is indefensible. and i think that we have to address that head-on. i was happy to see senator chuck schumer's speech. i hope this can be an inflection point for us. interestingly enough, to deal with the issue is a political issue is the worst kind of politics. we need to just deal with it as a human rights question and the politics will take care of itself. >> on that point, the politics is what drives a lot of this in a political season. we have nbc news reporters writing on thursday, "for the second time this year, president joe biden visited michigan without any in person meetings with members of its arab-american or muslim communities as he faces

protests over the israel military action in gaza." how do not have the president sit down and meet with arab- american and muslim leaders in one of the largest, if not the largest arab-american and muslim population in the country in such an important state like michigan? for me, the politics there say that you are tone deaf as i don't know what if you don't understand what you need the president to do in that state at that moment given what happened just a few weeks before in the michigan primary. >> there is no question and i have encouraged it. there needs to be a conversation, but not just one conversation. there has to be an ongoing discussion between the president and the people around him in the arab muslim community. not just in michigan but across the country. their voices matter. and not because of the

political implications, because they are americans who have a connection to that part of the world and they are seeing people in their own families suffer unconscionable treatment by the prosecution. it is not to say israel doesn't have the right to defend itself. one of the things we have to do is not get ourselves in a position where we have to choose which lives are more precious than the other. all lives are precious. but when we see 30,000 dead in gaza, we see the possibility of large-scale malnutrition and the israeli government blocking critical aid to those people, the u.s. can't be neutral on that question. and the way we address it is first by making sure we have an open and ongoing conversation with the arab and muslim community in this country, the way i do every week. >> but don't you get to meet the president at the table when

he is in the backyard? >> it is not just the president but the people around the president. the president for sure. >> to your point, congressman, in this case, we are talking about policy and the policy itself is what needs to be addressed. there is also a question about the messenger who is best to go out there and talk about the biden administration's policies and accomplishments. this caught my eye, this ad from michigan laborers international union of north america. take a listen and we will talk about on the other side. >> we are in west branch, michigan. we have a lot of hunters in the woods. people have an opportunity to work and put food on the table and that is through president biden's infrastructure dollars. >> he is bringing manufacturing back to the midwest. there are new chip factories and battery factories. >> roads, bridges and everything getting rebuilt. everything is booming.

>> this is a theme that we return to over and over again, the idea that there have been accomplishments from this administration that simply are not registering among american voters and part of that is hearing the message over and over again. part of this and what i think this articulates, is the messenger also matters. talk to me about who you see that ad resonating with. >> that ad resonates with the people i represent. that is for sure. in fact, the people in that ad, our people, that is our district. i think it does make a difference when people who don't often see themselves as being part of the democratic coalition come to understand the democratic policies are benefiting their families. we have to make sure we are at the table, at that kitchen table, when they are talking about their own futures. and those workers and laborers are seeing work come to michigan that never would have appeared if it were not for

biden policies. and we can't just say it once. we have to say repeatedly. we are not going to win every one of those votes. we have to get over the idea that we have to persuade everybody. but if i'm speaking to an audience of 100 and i can talk about the biden economic policies creating manufacturing jobs are good construction jobs, and i turned the heads of four or five of the people sitting in the room, in a state like michigan, that is the difference between winning and losing. so we have to get over the idea that everyone needs to be persuaded. it needs to be enough. and if we drive messages like the one you just showed on the air, that can make a difference in terms of the economic message. it doesn't deal with the other question but it is an important part of the puzzle. >> as a look at what is happening frankly, we often ask the question over and over again, why is it not resonating? november is literally right around the corner. i think people start voting in

october so you really have until august or september to get things together. folks can spend the next six months or so trying to convince voters that they just don't understand about how the policies have affected their lives and the biden administration and democrats frankly in the house in the senate have driven. or they can spend the next six months meeting the voters where they are. often, that ad, to me, is meeting the voters where they are and being responsive to what people are saying with a little convincing on the side. i wonder how you see it. rent is high. it is very expensive for people to try to own a home right now. interest rates are 7%. even i'm like, what is going on with these numbers? there are some things and the administration and democrats in congress have plans for those things. there is something where you have to meet people where they are and talk to them and their actual reality and not just

beat them over the head with all these great things they don't understand. >> that is an important point. we can't tell people to feel good when they don't feel good or that they shouldn't have anxiety when they do have anxiety. we have to transition that to a conversation about, where were we three and half years ago? and where are we now? are we heading in the right direction or the wrong direction? unemployment has come down. 14 million new jobs. inflation, which is real, has come down. we have a president that is moving us in the right direction. compare that to what we were dealing with, the chaos we were dealing with four years ago. think about how former president donald trump dealt with the greatest health and economic threat we faced in a long time, the pandemic. compare that to the thoughtful approach that this president has taken, to investing in new manufacturing. investing in infrastructure that will pay dividends.

dividends that many of which will appear long after joe biden finishes his second term. it is about the direction we are going as a country. we do have to meet people where they are. we can't deny the concerns they have. we have to remind folks of where we were and where we are now and where we can go. >> a lot of republicans are asking the very question, are you better off than where you were three and a half years ago. i think you are on the right track as far as how that will be framed. at the end of the day, the american people will be better off. >> and congress matters here too. and who is in charge of congress? congressman, you will stick around because we have more to discuss. more on "the we can" right after this really quick break. . e . most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. you can cashback 5% on travel purchased through chase with freedom unlimited and... buy better plane seats.

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democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan is with us. i want to take your attention to the deadline on spending bills nears even as johnson wants more deadlines. where are we on the spending bills in the house right now? what do you see? more deadlines? >> i hope not. negotiations are underway. the appropriate or has been working on this day and night. i hope we get there. we have to. but we shouldn't be in this position. 10 months ago, we negotiated an agreement on spending levels for the fiscal year that is almost halfway over.

and we are going to land at those levels. if it was about border security, take the deal we negotiated in the senate. this is republican dysfunction. this is a caucus that doesn't know what it thinks. if you don't know what you think, it is pretty hard to manifested in policy. >> it is hard to know what you want. >> right. in the article it says, republicans have the house next year, they might split this up into four different deadlines instead of two. but democrats are in a good position to take the house, i would say. >> i think we are in a good position to take the house. the dysfunction is having a consequence. kicking the can down the road, four different bills or two bills or five deadlines, none of it changes the fact that we have come to an agreement on what will be in the legislation. they just have to realize that the functional majority in the united states congress consists of democrats and republicans. and if mike johnson continues

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