the presumptive republican nominee for president ramped up the dark vision of america last night as joy was saying. what it means for our perilous place in the word and frank i will democracy and how it fits in with his pattern of pining to be auto craft. that's coming pup. be auto cr. that's coming pup. hour of velshi that starts right now. lshi that starts right now. 2024 has been dubbed the year of elections. citizens of many countries headed to the polls including eight of the ten most populous nation in the world. some are less legitimate. today we will get the results of the russian presidential election, and it's a nail- biter. vladimir putin facing off against three nobodies who

barely campaigned against him. you may see images like this of people casting bat lots this weekend, but the choice has been made. the government previously disqualified a pair of opposition candidates, and those on the ballot pose no threat to the russian president. pew tin will win a fifth term in office and run the country for six more years. putin's russia is dressed up to appear like a democracy. that's why it's troubling that donald trump has openly admired the russian president for so many years. shortly after putin won his last election in 2018, then president trump was given briefing notes ahead of the call with the russian president from his own national security advisers, and in one section wrote in all caps, do not congratulate, but of course, trump picked up the phone and congratulated him for winning the fake election anyway. there were plenty of reasons not to congratulate the russian

president then. the american government blamed moscow for poisoning a spy. trump did not condemn on the same call. alexey navalny was barred from running in the presidential race. he died last month under mysterious circumstances in a prison, but it exposed trump's disregard for norms, and his admiration for strong men. not an isolated incident either. his affection is not just limbed to vladimir putin. he had a photo op, and it didn't take long for orbon to make a propaganda video out of the event.

>> there's no one who is better, smarter, or a better leader. >> he's the prime minister of hungary and does a great job. he's a noncontroversial figure because he said this is the way it's going to be, and that's the end of it. he's the boss. >> democracy in hungary has eroded under urbon's rule. like in russia, both countries cracked down on the press and free speech and lbgtq reports with other reports of human right abuses. a week and a half ago trump called him a fantastic leader saying having him at mar-a-lago was a great honor. trump has similarly been uncritical of others with human rights abuses. he depicted kim jong-un as a tough smart guy saying kim wrote him beautiful letters and they they quote, fell in love.

he also praised the chinese president, xi jinping, and his hard line tactics with this to say last july. >> i think if xi jinping, brilliant guy. everyone says it's terrible to call him brilliant. he runs 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. smart, perfect. >> former white house chief of staff john kelly said the former president once told him hitler did some good things. the presumptive nominee already tried to overturn the results of an election once before, despite his attempts to weaken the government, we have a democracy, for now, but if trump is able to power and control for a second time, can

he let go of it again? >> joining me is molly hast, and jennifer ruben, the author of resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. none of this changes. our want our viewers to understand this is not the repeat of the program six months ago when donald trump said racist things about people, but he continues to do it, and people continue to support him for it, and the republican party continues to fall in line, and it is necessary to understand what his frame of mind is for the next time he becomes president, if he succeeds. >> that's right. they love him because he does it. they don't love him in spite of it. he created the movement that is fascist. when he says the january 6th convicted criminals are

hostages, he's talking to that segment of americans who are in essence, part of a cult. he says there's going to be a blood bath and makes a vague reference to the auto industry, not saying there's going to be an economic fallout. he's going back to all of the phrases he uses to stoke and normalize violence. if you remember, it's going to be mild. he didn't actually call for violence, but that's the way he speaks to his followers. it's in a very subtly, or not subtly set of rhetoric that normalizes the violence, and more important that dehumanizes people, and when he says that undocumented immigrants are not human, that is the talk of hitler and fascists throughout history. the fact that we have -- has accepted this is frightful, and it's morally obnoxious, and i

think it's a wakeup call to everyone else, that whatever differences you have with president biden, he will be the only thing standing between donald trump and obliteration. whatever differences people have, they don't like his handling of an issue or think he should have do more here or there. this is it. the normal president or the guy stoking racism, violence, antisemitism, and it could not be more stark. >> molly, how do you have the discussion with people, though, because, some people still treat it like a normal situation. i don't like what joe biden did on this particular issue, and they should be heard on that and considered valid, but at the same time, the presidential election is now clearly going to be a binary choice between one or the other. one is about democracy, and the other is not. >> i always say this is do you

want to have elections election? do we want to be able to vote and have real elections? look, trump is really politically savvy. he tried to turn this against biden and say he is fighting for american democracy, and in our siloed media ecosystem, where a lot of trump's people get their news from news sources that do not follow the same kind of, you know, they are sort of on earth, too. it's hard to debunk a lot of the stuff. i think that, you know, biden has to just keep going out there and explaining as best as he can, you know, that he is doing normal economic policy and what trump did in his last presidency and would do if he was president again, is very much against the normal democratic values. if you look back on january 6th , that, you know, so much of

trump's new campaigning is sort of trying to make this case that the armed insurrection was totally normal and completely fine, and that is because we really do see that the republican party has turned against democratic norms in a way that is really undecember presented and quite scary. >> jen, in order to -- for joe biden to win reelection, a couple of things have to happen. a lot of people didn't vote in the last election. a lot can be brought into the process to vote, but joe biden has fires on both sides. he has got progressives, and others who are dissatisfied with him, and he has got to win over some moderates and some republicans who have got to be disgusted with the stuff the republican party is doing. how do you square those two? you can say it's all about democracy, but when people go to the ballot, they tend to think about themselves and things closer to home than democracy.

>> first of all, i think he has to acknowledge people's concerns. telling people they should not be worried about something or should not be upset, that's not a good political tactic. i think showing up, talking, showing respect, and not taking voters for granted and in particular, we have seen erosion with african american men and hispanic men. do not take those votes for granted. do not talk about stereotypical things. talk about the things that concern them. in a democracy we can have those debates and you can elect leaders to my left and will have negotiations and work these things out. there's no negotiation, and there is no promise, and there is no free dialogue if you get donald trump. if you think i'm too far to the right, listen to this guy. this is the guy who wants a muslim ban, who still says climate change is a hoax. this is the guy who wants to

round up undocumented aliens and expel them. i think he has to paint a clear contrast, but also reach out and not take voters for granted. he has to understand that people still need to be motivated to vote, and that includes young people who are going to be critical in terms of the democratic coalition. >> molly a couple of weeks ago i deliver the a thesis like that to say here's the things donald trump would have done, did do, says he will do, and that's a stark choice. i got feedback from viewers who were of the sort frustrated with joe biden for some things, and their response was, basically you're telling me my concerns don't matter. you're telling me i don't have the right to be heard right now. you're discounting the fact that the concerns are real, and that's a tight line to walk because i certainly am not discounting those views. i think there are people who have legitimate reasons not to be fully in line with the things joe biden has been done,

but that's not what is asked of me as a voter in the next election. >> yeah, and look, the big danger for the biden administration for the biden campaign is this complacency. right? this idea, and i think it really hurt hillary clinton in 2016, this is her election to use. complacency is the biggest thing. biden needs to meet voters where they are. look, a lot of voters have real concerns, especially about what is going on in the middle east. really important that it is taken seriously and addressed, and i think the biden campaign and administration knows they must do this. morally in every way they must do this. it's an important thing. i think -- i do think you're right. look, this is -- he has to make a case for, i mean accident unfortunately for him and all of us, he has to make a case

for democracy and also for his reelection. these two things are, you know, the same. now, i would say i don't, you know, trump's vision is very, very dark. >> uh-uh. >> right? it includes things that are really beyond the pail. i do think that biden can use that in the case to make his reelection, but he definitely does need to take everyone's concerns very seriously and do not take a single vote for granted, and complacency is the enemy with the reelection campaign. >> a lot of folks who are not happy with biden said i'm not voting for him, not voting for the other guy, but realize your place in the democracy, and i would love a society where that is an option. i would love a society where third parties are an option, a society with an extra political party, but this just may not be the year for it. thank you to both of you,

friends. molly and jennifer. still ahead this hour on velshi, the crucial and overlooked appearance of kamala harris at an abortion clinic. we are awaiting oral argumented on donald trump's sweeping immunity claim. the court has done more than you may realize to jeopardize our fragile democracy. u may reo our fragile democracy. there's nothing better than a subway series footlong. except when you add a new footlong sidekick. like the ultimate bmt with the new footlong pretzel. nothing like a sidekick that steps up in crunch time. [laughing] not cool man. every epic footlong

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u.s. secretary of state antony blinken spent much of this week working to assemble a transition council for haiti after the nation's president announced on monday he would step down at the demand of the militarized gangs now controlling port-au-prince. he was not himself elected by

the haitian people. they have not voted for anyone since 2016. the prime minister was appointed by the then president. days later the president was assassinated in his home. every legislator's term expired. henry got the presidency with less support. haiti often ranks in as the poorest nation in the western hemisphere with the united nations estimating 40% of the population lives in poverty. the devastating quake that hit in january 2010 killed more than 200,000 people and displaced millions more. there's far more to haiti's suffering and instability than that. secretary antony blinken knows it. here's what he said this last wednesday. >> this has been a long

unfolding story. the heart of the story is the suffering of the haitian people. >> the heart of the story is the suffering of the haitian people most recently the united states sponsored the deployment of 1,000 kenyan officers. haiti's independence was established in 1804, off the back of a slave revolt against the french rulers of the island, but in the years that followed, france would force the new nation to hand over most of its revenue as reparations for the revolution, hampering the economic growth. on the onset of world war ii, president wilson ordered the invasion and occupation of

haiti, citing potential german influence in the area, but wall street benefited. america taking control of haiti's financial assets, literally removing gold bars and transporting them to new york and installing the forced labor system on the island. american marines and subordinates used a constant state of martial law until 1934. america's eye shifted to the global communism in the 20th century, and the u.s. looked to prop up anticommunist leaders in haiti. papa doc elected in 1957 with u.s. support. he held sham elections and installed himself as president for life and used death squads to kill his son. his son succeeded him with many

of the same tactics, and the two combined would rule 1957 to 1986. all the while, they would continue to receive u.s. aid in 1994, the u.s. led the military mission named operation uphold democracy to restore the overthrown president to power. the u.s. was committed to supporting him publically, although. the cia was deeply skeptical of the policies. in 2004, aristde would be ousted, but the united states bankrolled the u.n. intervention. it would remain in haiti until 2016. throughout the years, manusta officials faced accusations of human rights abuses. 9,000 haitians died from a cholera outbreak linked to u.n.

peace keepers from nepal. it's crucial they are the leaders of their own destiny. in all the u.s. military and proxies have been in haiti for 41 of the last 102 years, always in the name of securing peace, stability, and human rights, and never actually succeeding in doing so. still ahead, awaiting a crucial supreme court hearing of donald trump's sweeping presidential immunity claims, but the court has done more actual damage on a ruling with another trump case than many americans realize. that's next. ny americans realiz e. that's next. you always got your mind on the green. not you. you! your business bank account with quickbooks money now earns 5% apy.

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our democracy and altered our way of life. we as citizens have been encouraged to think of the supreme court as a neutral party calling balls and strikes, be they have been subject to leaning. the decision to uphold slavery and deny blacks citizenship, and then institutionalizing jim crowe laws. striking down separate but equal doctrine as unconstitutional. today's bench has a legitimacy crisis with the poll last month revealing six out of ten americans disapprove of the supreme court job performance. the decision to entertain trump's all encompassing claim of presidential immunity will likely to erode confidence in the court with many viewing the

court as the extension of the maga movement. they could shield trump from accountability, providing a pathway to keep himself over the law. much like the broader movement, the hard right block on the bench seems determined to pursue the political agenda no matter how destabilizing may be to the country. in ruling to keep donald trump back on the ballot, the court appears to be working backwards, expressing a concern for not discounting the will of the people and invalidating election results, but this is the sin that trump is guilty of. the sin that the court fails to address and prevents the court from holding trump accountable. the constitution grants states primary authority over the elections including time, place, and the matter of elections, the court's decision to force states to keep trump on the ballot despite being

disqualified by the constitution undercuts the core understanding. history are each its own verdict on the supreme court, they will steer the decision of one of the most consequential elections in presidential history. my next guest says the threat has been a near constant refrain. the danger was raised by theodore roosevelt who denied the american people have surrendered to any set of men no matter their position or character the final right to determine the fundamental questions upon which free self- government ultimately depends, end quote. preventing states from exercising their right to regulate elections would seem like a fundamental question that directly threaten free government. joining me now is the constitutional law professor from the university of pennsylvania law school and the author of the nation that never

was, reconstructing america's story. professor roosevelt, good to have you. >> thank you for having me. >> let me ask you about the decision by the liberal justices on the court siding with the right of the 14th amendment, what do you make of that? >> i think what we are seeing here, unfortunately the court is concerned about itself as an institution. they are issuing them out of self-preservation. they know the american people are upset with what is going on, and trying to appear apolitical and neutral. that's part of the explanation why they took up the immunity case. the court is saying we are not interfering with democracy. we will let the american people have the last word. the problem, in order to do that, it has read out of the constitution, the provision there to protect the democracy. >> for instance, i was not born in this country, and i'm disqualified for running, and the court is not really in the

position to say let the american people decide on that if the constitution say as naturalized citizen cannot be the president of the united states? >> right. so you know, you have to be a natural born citizen, 35, and i think the best comparison or most telling, you can't have been elected twice. we take away from the american people the ability to choose someone who has won the presidential twice, shows they can be a good president because we think there's some risk that the american may become a dictator. they may not observe the democratic rules going forward because they are too popular, and the risk that an oath- breaking insurrection is not going to observe the rules of democracy going forward is much greater. that's the choice we have taken away in the institution from the american people. the supreme court wants to ignore that. >> it's a common refrain, people accuse judges, supreme court justices who do not share their opinion of judicial

activism. you said it's not helpful. it doesn't distinguish? >> i think it's hard to figure out what people mean by activism most of the time. i think the question you should ask is really, is the court doing what it should do? is it acting in a way or answering questions that courts are good at answering. this is the question, who is qualified to be on the ballot for president? it's absolutely within the competence of courts. the colorado court to its credit tried to answer the question. now the supreme court said you will not get a judicial answer. we are not going to decide that question even though it's our job. i think it's doing it out of the sense of institutional self- preservation. that's bad. the court should not defend itself. it should defend america, defend democracy. i think the court is really worried about itself. >> that's a tricky one.

you say the court should not have to defend itself, it's the same as any institution that is attacked, there's an instinct to do so, but it's self- perpetuating. people who didn't trust the court will trust the court less. >> yes, and i think the court is not doing its job now. it's an interesting question why it's not doing its job. one answer would be, it's been taken over by the maga extremists. i don't think it explains the majority of the justices, maybe a couple of them. the more powerful explanation, they are trying to win back the popular support. the reason they took the immunity case, probably, they wanted to decide something against trump. they can say he can be on the ballot, but he doesn't have the immunity he is claiming, and they will try to balance the institution by being a fair referee. >> carver roosevelt iii, the

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on thursday, vice president harris visited an abortion in minnesota. this is the first time a president or vice president has ever visited an abortion clinic. >> i'm here at this health care clinic to uplift the work happening in minnesota as an example of what true leadership looks like, which is to understand it is only right and fair to people have access to

the health care that they need. and that they have access to health care in an environment where they are treated with dignity and respect. >> the whole democratic party has championed reproductive rights making abortion access a part of their campaign pillars. the best of us can be persuaded, but it's easy to feel it's always been the case this moment represents the remarkable political shift. abortion was illegal to varying degrees in every state by the 1880s and outlawed nationally by 1910 except to save the life of the woman. criminalizing abortion did not make abortion go away. abortion went underground, making it harder to access and dangerous. it's estimated one out of five resulted in maternal death. the debate continued, but it

was not partisan. through the '50s and '60s bipartisan groups promoted abortion legalizations and the groups routinely endorsed democratic and republican candidates who supported the abortion rights. in the 1970s, it began to shift as republicans appealed to conservative voters. the gop with nixon started to successfully package antiabortion policies and views as part of the pro-family message. democrats, to a large degree balked. they could have argued the antiabortion policies are not in fact profamily, and it's actually antifamily to put the government in control of every individual pregnancy in the country and to bar women and their partners and doctors from making decisions not only about their own health and about when and where they should be able to start a family. democrats could have argued that forced birth is what immoral, but democrats didn't.

the fact is republicans had a pretty easy time selling the message that abortion was immoral and should be a source of shame for anyone who may need one. many democrats were on the same page. as roe was passed in 1973, then newly elected senator joe biden came out against the decision saying the supreme court went, quote, too far with roe. the year of roe was decided senator biden said in an interview, i don't think a woman should have the sole right to decide what happens with her body. democrats said safe, legal, and rare, and they understand that abortion was necessary, and they supported abortion rights, but apologetically, they were seeding to the conservative notion it shouldn't happen. they were just allowing charitably that it sometimes had to. obama, too, couched his support for abortion in the promise that the procedure should be

rare and his administration would decrease the number of abortions nationwide rather than framing it as a routine part of women's health care, which is what it is, rather than saying it's morally correct usual to women's health, human dignity, and rather than challenging morality on the issue, most pro choice democrats spent decades treating abortion as a necessary evil. then roe ended, and the morality of the issue became crystal clear. as we all watched in horror as headlines piled up of women being forced to nearly die before being allowed access to life-saving care. a child rape victim forced to cross state lines for health care. state officials threatening criminal prosecution of anyone who tried to help someone access abortion, and that is now we got to this historic moment, when the first woman vice president in american history is visiting an abortion clinic. we got to this moment on the back of the suffering of women

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okay, that's uncalled for. joining me now leslie regan, specializing in public

health women and sexuality, and dr. waxler. welcome to both of you. thank you for being here. doctor, starting with you. tell me why the visit to planned parenthood by the vice president was so important. >> i think not only as you explained before, it's the first time a sitting vice president has visited a planned parenthood, and i think during her visit, vice president harris made it clear how critical the biden-harris campaign considers bodily autonomy, reproductive rights and how impactful it is that people have access in their own communities. >> leslie, this is a story you have been talking about for a long time. talking about the rhetoric around abortion. many abortion historians and advocates suggested the biggest mistake that the abortion movement made was to seed the morality discussion, resulting in seeding the term abortion because it was sort of accepted

that was like a dirty term. talk to us about that. >> you're so right. the pro-life, pro-family, family values claimed by the antiabortion movement, and, i mean i noticed they don't want to use pro-life right now because it's too associated with abortion according to some republican strategists, which is, of course their creation when supporters of abortion rights and reproductive rights are very much for life and family, so it's always been a law in the language. yeah, the democrats, and the pro-choice organizations and even pro-choice has a way of avoiding abortion and reproductive rights. >> just so we know our rights and don't make the same mistakes. the pro-choice movement had for a long time distanced itself

from abortion. even 2010, republicans defunding planned parenthood, and the organization made the decision to advertise they provide other health services like cancer screening and regular health care. i get that's an appealing way of doing things, but some say it's the effect of reinforcing the idea even if it's rhetoric that abortion is bad. it's not what we do. we provide health care to women, and abortion is one of them, and that's okay. what's your thought on that? >> my thought is that we talk a lot about abortion in terms of it being this morally subjectional course of health care, but in fact, what i know is that for my patients who come to see me in the health center, this is health care to them. this is about their families, and this is about them making a choice that is best for them and their bodily autonomy, and yes, it's about choice, but ultimately for the vast

majority of my patients, it's about making the right choice for their families. so i understand the narrative has been cooped by the antichoice movement or antiabortion rights movement, but what i know every single day when i see my patients, this is about families, completely. >> as we look towards the election year, leslie, donald trump and joe biden have flip- flopped on their stances historically. joe biden was against it much of his career, now being pro- choice central to his campaign. donald trump was apparently pro- choice and is now staunchly against abortion, taking credit for the fall of roe and talking about a national ban on abortion. what do you make of that? >> as you're suggesting, some of this is purely political, you know, expediency for both of them. i also think we could see it as joe biden and democrats

learning, finally, from their constituency, and changing their views and what they say. i think it's very important that they have taken this position, and also we can look at where do they -- who do they appoint to the judiciary? and specifically the supreme court, and where do they send money, and who do they prevent from getting money? we know that there's been a lot of money sent to fake pregnancy -- crisis pregnancy clinics. billions of dollars going to prevent people from getting sex education, and i think policies and the laws that are supported are what we should be looking at. less than the rhetoric. i mean more than the rhetoric. >> yeah, and i think it's important now as we have seen what has been happening in southern states people understand the politics are where the battle will be won including getting lost in some

courts. leslie with the university of illinois. i have just been told i have extra time. i don't have to say good-bye to you. back to you, sarah. the point that i was just making, what we are learning from court cases in places like texas and others, this, for most people, if they think abortion rights need to be preserved in this country, they have to do it at the ballot box to get this achieved? >> i think that one thing we should always recognize is that the vast majority of the american people and my patients believe that people should have access to abortion, that this in general on a personal private level is not a partisan issue. i think people enjoy having freedoms in bodily autonomy, and that's what they will take with them. >> leslie, talking about what happened with ivf in alabama.

it was weird. and this republican supreme court that doesn't do that whole separation of church and state thing that we all believe in decided ivf was not a thing, and quickly, within a matter of days, and i don't know why it happened, but republicans decided to legislate the idea that ivf will be available to people. what happened there? a confusion around ivf? republican donors who use ivf and said you can't take that away? where did the confusion about ivf and then the reversal happen and take place? >> well, there's no confusion about using new technologies to implant embryos, and the fact that people have to sometimes decrease the number using abortion in order to successfully reduce to carry to term, but i don't think they

saw the objections within their own community. and, they are now claiming again, it's about all for families and having babies, and part of the families and having children is also deciding when and whether the time is appropriate for each person who is pregnant and their family. and, you know, the hypocrisy is infuriating, and it's good to see that people are realizing these laws are meant for them as well. when they pass something they think will be directed at the people they don't like or disapprove of or assume people are using them for wrong reasons or are poor or people of color. middle class, white, well-to-do people will get hit. we know this with the laws going after people for miscarriages and stillbirths, and they have effected, you

know, the most christian antiabortion people out there. we are seeing states like kansas and ohio, and places that appear to be all red antiabortion passing, you know, rejecting the antiabortion referendums ensuring there's reproductive rights in the constitutions, and because people are talking about it and stories are coming out, and because of people like vice president harris, helping to destigmatize abortion and using the terms, perhaps there will be quicker change to reverse dobbs. >> i appreciate the context for the conversation. leslie regan from the university of illinois and for me. thank you for watching. or catch me next saturday and sunday morning from 10:00 to noon eastern and velshi is available on the podcast for free where you get your podcast. inside with jen psaki begins right now.