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tonight, the art of the stall, another day, another delay in holding donald trump accountable in court. how much longer will this tactic work? the multimillion dollar effort by republicans to keep trump from another term. will they support joe biden? we will need a student from gaza who journaled her is gape from the war, building a new life in cairo. can donald trump run out the clock? the disgraced four times indicted ex-president will not face criminal trials before

election day. friday, a new york judge delayed trump's hush money criminal trial until mid april after his lawyers said they needed more time to sift through tens of thousands of pages of recently released evidence from federal prosecutors. the trial was slated to begin next week on march 25th but the judge has now agreed to a 30 day postponement. also friday, the judge overseeing the ex-president's election interference case in georgia issued a ruling of his own after weeks of public hearings. the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, may continue with her prosecution of the ex-president and his alleged co-conspirators as long as nathan wade, the prosecutor appointed by willis, exited the case. although the ruling is a legal win for the fulton county d.a., the sideshow over her inappropriate romantic relationship with wade brought the case to a standstill for two months. the delays have put trump's courtroom and campaign

calendars on a direct collision course. the ex-president is said to have a busy july where he is expected to accept the republican party nomination for president at the convention in milwaukee. however, that same month is when federal prosecutors have asked the u.s. district judge to reschedule the start of trump's classified documents trial in florida. right now, the trial is scheduled to begin late may but canon is likely to push back to allow for more time to deal with the classified evidence in the case. jack smith's team is pushing for july, while the ex- president layers have urged canon, a trump appointee, to push the trial further, until after november's election or to august at the earliest. speaking of august, that month is the earliest possible timeframe for the start of the federal election interference trial in d.c. that was supposed to start early march, but it

has been on pause while the supreme court weighs trump's claim of presidential immunity. arguments scheduled in that case for april 25th in a ruling, not expected from the justices until late june or early july, trump could manage to push off his trial in the nation's capital until as late as september or early october. that would be weeks before his rematch against president biden. earlier today, the democratic congressman urged the court to see through the ex-president's desperate delay tactics and deliver justice. >> if a justice, by delaying justice, this is a tried and true tactic of trump in his career. i hope the courts are aware of what he's doing and his incentive in trying to prolong this. >> the incentive, the shift mentioned is incredibly important. remember, if trump

takes back the white house, he could direct his justice department to drop the federal cases against him or even issue a pardon for himself, so that has never been legally test did . that means his political and personal future are really on the line. as we inch closer to the november election, while it appears more and more likely that donald trump could escape the judgment of a jury of his peers, there is one thing he cannot escape. the judgment of the american people. here to kick us off, the former federal prosecutor and now legal analyst, and a staff writer at the atlantic gentleman. good to have you. we get the decision out of new york, to delay the hush money trial. did that catch you by surprise? what does it mean for alvin bragg's case in the long run? >> it never catches me by surprise when a criminal trial gets delayed. sometimes for a

week or two, sometimes much longer. i was in the game long enough that there were often things creeping up at the last minute that pushed the trial date down the road. what really did surprise me was the reason for the delay, because according to the filing by alvin bragg and his prosecutors, more than a year ago, they asked for all relevant documents from the department of justice, specifically the southern district of new york u.s. attorney's office did according to the pleading file, from judge merchan, the doj said no and belatedly and when i say belatedly, the pleading says it was march 13th and all of a sudden, thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of documents are being dumped on alvin bragg's prosecutors and on donald trump defense team. let me call this exactly what it is. this is the department of justice this, the southern district of new york u.s. attorney's office, causing this

trial delay. now, the case cannot go to trial march 25th, courtesy of the doj, what seems to be a flip- flop on turning things over and doing this massive documents dump and frankly, donald trump's lawyers have a right to review this in preparation for trial. i have to look at this through the lens of something that has always concerned me, which is the fact that the department of justice prosecuted michael cullen, donald trump's de facto co-conspirator in the hush money and falsifying business records scheme, which was essentially designed to interfere with the 2016 election, by burying and deeply -- bearing damaging information about trump's suitability to be a candidate. they prosecuted the smaller criminal fish, who was acting at the direction of and for the

benefit of the bigger criminal fish and they gave donald trump a pass. they do something that derails the criminal trial that was set to begin march 25th. as someone inside the doj for decades, an organization i am fond of, i have to call it the way i see it. this stinks. >> it certainly does. something feels wrong with the way all of this is played out in these cases. certainly, the wheels of justice do not seem to be spinning at the speed they should be. that is what makes georgia an outlier in terms of the significance. if trump wins back the white house, he cannot pardon himself. at the same time, how have this week's developments change the case? is the case many thought was the only chance of holding trump accountable.

>> donald trump has always been blessed by the incompetence of his opponents, and also by the slow footed nest of his opponents, who believe that the wheels of justice, as he put it, that they must grind slowly. the problem is that trump does not care about these norms and actively uses the norms of the legal system against the legal system, against itself. i do not have any real hope that somehow, if trump becomes president, that the georgia case is going to somehow save us from his authoritarianism. if he becomes the president of united states again he will find some way to weasel out of it or invent some new legal theory that this is supreme court, the conservative majority, will find some way to support and figure out how to

let him off the hook again. i think people really need to understand that if you don't want donald trump to be president, the courts will not save you, jack smith will not save you, constitutional interpretations of the 14th amendment will not save you. the supreme court will not save you. all of these institutions were never designed for this. that does not excuse what happened in georgia, this inappropriate behavior was just an added gift, but without that, the legal system in this country was not designed to deal with a president and a presidential candidate who is explicitly trying to destroy the rule of law and the institutions that hold him accountable and people need to stop wish casting some

kind of deus ex machina, a legal miracle that will protect them from this authoritarian want to be. they either are going to vote or they are not. the mac speaking of the vote, do you think there are people, i subscribe to this, do you think there are people who may look at these legal challenges and say, these trials are not going to be a factor in how i vote one way or the other or it will be the deciding factor? >> as remarkable as it is, i imagine there are still people left who are somehow undecided. i'm always amazed that after four years of both of these men being president that there are still human beings left in the country who say, i need to know

one more thing or i need one more week or something. i don't think the court cases will decide. i think what could change over the next seven months is more and more of donald trump simply being in public, talking about imprisoning his enemies, i think that would matter more. >> is there any chance, or how likely do you think there is a chance that there is a possible conviction for donald trump before the november election in any or all of, certainly not all, but any other legal challenges he's facing? >> it gets less likely by the day. i think the case most likely to go to trial is still the new york 2016 election interference hush money falsifying business records case. we will know more march 31st, excuse me, march 25th, because judge merchan has converted the trial date to a status hearing date and i

assume he will take up the issue of these late disclosures. i suspect he may say, i will give the parties another few weeks, but we will be going to trial, at least that is my hope and then donald trump seen will do anything they can to derail the newly set trial date. the other one that could go to trial but is in the hands of the supreme court in two ways is the d.c. federal prosecution for donald trump trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election result. the supreme court, assuming they don't rule that a president is king above the law, it really comes down to a question of timing, if they decide that sometime in may or june, that could be returned to the judge. she's made clear her trial will not yield to a political cycle, i think there is still a slim chance that gets tried before the election.

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presidential election, he arguably rigged his way to, president vladimir putin opened up about his fallen political foe who should be on the ballot today in russia. instead, he's dead, after passing away in a russian prison last month where vladimir putin put him in february of 2021. today, putin called alexei navalny's death "a sad event, " and when asked by keir simmons about 's death and whether call that "democracy," putin addressed judge merchan one by name , claiming he had agreed to a deal to swap alexei navalny for prisoners from the west in the days before his death, on the condition alexei navalny never returned to russia. let's be absolutely clear for a moment. these are claims and statements made by vladimir putin. we have no proof that any western nation was in talks and or agreed to a prisoner swap.

we will update you and if we get any reaction from u.s. or western officials. back at home, donald trump is working against his own defense team as he fights 40 felony counts related to his mishandling of classified documents. he admitted in a tv interview, point blank, to taking this document as he left the white house. watch. >> i took them legally and i was not hiding them. we had boxes on the front, and a lot had clothing, we were moving out, okay, unfortunately we were moving out of the white house and our country is going to -- >> this comes as the intelligence community prepares to provide briefings to him as the republican presumptive nominee, a practice dating back to the 1950s as a way to ensure a smooth transition of power. national security experts say

it should not apply this time round due to the and presidents and nature of donald trump or, " trump is an unstable, dead rainman whose voice to support for violent seditionist's. if he was any other citizen asking for the privilege of handling classified material, he would be sent packing. tom, you argue in your piece, one that i agree with, that president biden should not continue his action of, or this tradition of allowing the presumptive nominee to receive these classified briefings. my feeling is you probably will not do that, he will probably allow that to go forward but make the case as to why biden should not allowed trump access to his intelligence. >> he is an irresponsible, anti- american seditionist supporting

fire hose of dangerous leaks. there's no trusting a person like this. i worked for 25 years, i've had a security clearance for most of my adult life until i retire from the defense apartment and there is no way a guy with this, donald trump owes a half billion dollars, he has no filter, and i think it won't surprise me, if he heard something in a classified environment that it would be to his benefit to blurted out in a rally, he would do it. president biden, my concern is that the white house is worried about, as it should be, observing traditions and not

looking like they are politicizing intelligence, but the risk is immense. one of the people that have pushed back on this side, donald trump needs to know these things if he becomes president again. you know, please, be serious. donald trump does not understand these things, he doesn't listen, he does not care about this stuff. he only cares about whatever benefits him in the immediate circumstances. >> he will also have 60 days from election day to january the 20th where he can be, if he is, in fact, sworn in -- >> there's no reason to do this. >> to tom's point, if trump were not the front runner for the wiccan party and the former president of this country, given what tom outlined, his debt, his previous record of handling and miss taking about classified information, is support for seditionist, there

is no way this guy would be allowed to have a security clearance to receive these briefings, am i right? >> you are right. as tom well knows, having a dod clearance, i had a dod when i was an army general, fbi when i was a federal prosecutor, one question prominently featured windows background investigations are being conducted is, is there anything about this person and their financial circumstances that makes it seem like they live beyond their means or, that they could be leveraged, financially, that they could be compromised because of their financial circumstances? the truthful answer to that question, if someone asked that about donald trump is, you bet there is. he is in debt up to his neck, he's got people who have to step up and issue bonds for hundreds of millions of dollars to guarantee that he will pay out on these mega civil judgments if you loses his

appeals. he is subject to leverage and compromise and is always in it for his own interest. would he webinars the department of justice if he was president to go after his creditors or to benefit his creditors? for one thing, what is clear is that if he was not who he is and running for this office, there's no way he would get a security clearance. >> do you think this example of the intelligence or classified briefings is a microcosm of something bigger with how democrats deal with the threat of somebody like donald trump or how there are issues? people have talked about it and you mentioned the idea of preserving norms and traditions. people have been calling on biden to expand the supreme court and people are saying, do not give the president classified briefings, do away with the filibuster to get things like reproductive rights shored up, and it comes back to, these are not our norms or

traditions. republicans have no problem exploiting it, no problem doing away with norms and tradition if it suits their political agenda. is this another example of that or am i over blowing it? >> the only thing i would say is that it's unfair to lay this only on democrat. there are millions of people. i love these norms and these traditions. i think it's a wonderful thing. by virtue of your nomination by major party, as a fellow citizen and, someone as a participant or political contest, you are going to be getting briefed on important classified stuff because the transition to a new presidency is more important than any one of us and we know that you understand that, to, as a candidate. donald trump is the first person you have to step back and say, he does not understand that, he does not care about this, we are all ruled by normalcy bias and we cannot

believe that things have gone so off the rails that we would have to make these changes and it affects us all. >> such an important point about normalcy bias. it's not just that he hoarded classified documents after leaving office, he reported about having intel during his time in office. he apparently gave russia classified intel about what israel was capable of doing or was doing or how they find out critical information in syria, yet the former white house press secretary claiming trump showed some of those documents to people on the mar-a-lago dining room, he was a sigh -- a national security liability from the get-go. >> he will weapon eyes that fact , even the biden administration nose that, which feeds into his nonsensical claim that his

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other baggage he carries. >> i will take a kind an older man every day over the tyrant that we know is donald trump. >> those were just some of former trump voters who say they'd had enough of the ex- president and will not vote for him again. they are the focus of a $50 million ad campaign from republican voters against trump, where focus groups and polls are taking the pulse of modern- day republican voters. none of these testimonials feature a republican trying to convince others to vote for joe biden. as they told the new york times, "it's important to understand you are not building a pro joe biden coalition, you are building an anti-trump coalition." we have the political director for republican voters against trump, joining me now. great to have you. the former trump voters featured in your campaign don't praise biden or argue why he

deserves a second term. walk us through the thought process behind why just opposing donald trump is sufficient enough without having to tell them what to do next. >> sure. all say that some of our testimonials do have former trump supporters who are making an affirmative case for voting for joe biden and in some videos, but again, with our project, our campaign, it's all about maintaining and growing the anti-trump coalition that elected joe biden in 2020, right? these are the types of voters who may have voted for him in 2016, maybe in 2020 but now, going forward, cannot support him. there are two things to consider, the message, which is backward and forward looking, in the sense of january 6 was terrible, election to nihilism is awful for our country, but so is this idea of trump being

a dictator on day one, where he says he seeking retribution, saying that donald trump is going to terminate the constitution and that scares them, that's the message. what is even more important for our campaign is the messenger and what it is is putting ads in front of people of like- minded messengers, people that remind them of themselves, reaganesque republicans who loved when john mccain was the nominee, loved when mitt romney was the nominee, but no longer recognize the republican party and that's exactly why they cannot support trump in 2024. >> have you found a common thread between one or two time trump voters who no longer want to vote for him? are there people who voted for trump in 2016, perhaps again in 2020 and said, this is the time i will not vote for him, just in time voters who are not done

with him? >> january 6th is a main reason why. the 2016 trump voters, maybe not trump 2020. they probably did not like his style in office did they wanted a businessman and they did not like what they got. from the two time trump voters, something like january 6th really bothers them. it struck a chord with them. these are traditional conservative republicans who look at what happened january 6th and think it the exact opposite of what a conservative would want. i will just say, it's a very important point that these supporters in these testimonials are forward facing, it's the idea of terminating the constitution, being a dictator on day one that turns them off completely. there are some supporters who are making the affirmative case for biden. it's anti-trump vote, but there

are some supporters who do want to support biden in 2024. >> you may have noticed, it's a big bump, one major republican figure who shares the sentiment of your organization and the voters you been talking to, the former vice president himself, mike pence, confirming he's not going to endorse trump but added he would never vote for joe biden. do you expect to hear more of this sentiment from former trump voters, trump officials, or high-profile republicans as we approach november? >> absolutely. i think we've seen a host of former trump officials and cabinet members who won't be supporting him. i think it's a great in the right direction seeing former vice president mike pence not support. we have yet to see nikki haley endorse trump and i think that would go very far. if there's one thing we know, there's 30% of the republican party who supported nikki haley in the early primary for super

tuesday. there are some exceptions like washington, d.c. and there's also 30% of the republican party who won't go along with the election lies and won't say that the election was stolen from him in 2020 and i think that number, maybe half are going to support biden. some of the other half come back and support donald trump in 2024 but there is a meaningful slices in that that are persuadable, reachable voters and that's exactly the type of voter our ads are after. >> really quickly, we know that m.a.g.a. is vindictive and we know donald trump is vindictive. have you gotten any blowback from the m.a.g.a. wing of the republican party against what you're trying to do? do you get threatened, do you get harassed for leading the charge against trump from within? >> i don't know any specific pieces of harassment that have

come, yet. this is fine, i just will say that trump and people like him say they don't want our vote but guess what, our electorate decides elections in swing states and it will come down to thousands, if not hundreds of votes. it will be a razor thin margin and if they don't want our vote, so be it. it's a losing strategy and one more point, we launched on tuesday with more than 100 testimonials. that number is north of the hundred and 20 now . this is very much part of a growing grassroots effort that i think the people who have watched our campaign and launch and been reminded oh, maybe this is something i can get behind and i will film a testimonial myself and send that note to the republican party that they just have not earned my vote. >> very important note. thank you. greatly appreciate you making

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first, a preview of her story, being told any new documentary from nbc news, profiling the dental students harrowing journey from gaza city to egypt. >> there was something that i did before everything happened that was the official goodbye for gaza. i went for a car ride and i will tell you the story. >> it was the sixth of october. it was dark at night and me and jenna had an extra half an hour after hour weekly cousin hangout . she pushed me to turn around, and not go home, go for a late car ride and at night, gaza is so beautiful. it's empty, the lights are nice,

the streets are nice, and not knowing, it was the last time seeing gosar in its full glory. we are just trying to survive the day with minimum trouble, minimum crying, minimum food, and next day, and so on and so on. this is when i was sleeping and i woke up hearing my name. they told me, your name is on the list, i am like, what do you mean my name is on the list, i'm not prepared for this. am i meant to have a life? i have to make the most difficult decision i have ever

made, which is leaving my family behind. i didn't know if i would be able to see them again. >> she joins us live from cairo, egypt. great to see you and speak to you. i know it's been a difficult journey, but give us a sense of what your life was like in the initial days of the war and whether or not, did the beginning and the time you got out, your feelings evolved about what was going on throughout this war. >> hello, everyone. i am a fifth year dental student and i am a survivor of 60 days of genocide. before everything happened, i was in my

graduation year. i was full of hope, for the career i was doing in gaza. i was in a place where i was happy and appreciative of what i've become. i had my career, i had many contracts, gaza looked beautiful and i really had many nice days, especially before the sixth of october, the seventh of october, where i have gone, where i have done many journals in my own journal that i was very appreciative of how i'm feeling about my life, right now, at a point where i documented all the good things happening for me and i did not realize that included two days were things would turn around and be different and all of the stuff in my journal is now memories of a lifetime that do not exist anymore. this is the journal that has

been with me and the first thing i took with me ever since i got the evacuation letter. i got my journal the first thing and i didn't realize that it would be the key for me in the chaos around me, during the 60 days i was in genocide, we evacuated three times and it keeps getting worse and worse and the place is getting more, full of nothing and my journal is the only thing that can help me, emotionally, to support myself during all this chaos happening around me, from the fires, from the bombing, from the fighting, from the lack of food and hygiene. i would need my own space so i can understand what's happening and except the fact that everything i know is gone. my journal was the only thing that actually gave me support

and the therapy that i needed. >> and i understand you are now hosting journaling workshops in egypt. can you tell us about that and how that's helping you cope with what you went through? >> ever sense i was allowed to come here to egypt, without my family, i tried to look for a way to support myself emotionally and financially, so i tried to come up with a workshop or something that has to do with something i love and something that i appreciate and i realized that because my journal has helped me so much, i can't imagine a better therapist for a person so they can actually hold on to everything they had, no matter what happens in life. i created workshops and journaling sessions that i would teach for beginners and how to create these works. i

bring all the materials, i bring all the stuff necessary, the decorations, the stickers, and they motivate them to the concept of how journaling helped me as a person, staying connected using art and therapy is the best way for you to come over the hardest times and except some things that you can't accept the normal way. >> we have 30 seconds, i wanted to ask how are your parents doing, how is your family? are you in touch with them? i know it's difficult to eke to people, but tell us about your immediate family with the little time we have left. >> my family, i've left them for more than 100 days, there and i've managed to stay connected to them, in the morning, late in the day, how they are managing, and i would continue moving on with my life because if i just day thinking

of what happened, i might lose myself as well but at the same time, i tried to stay connected to them. they are very much lacking a lot of food, a lot of hygiene, ever since i left the situation, it got 10 times worse and it's unbearable for them and for anyone who stayed in gaza. for me, i was lucky to get out and my parents told me to look forward to my future but here i am, i feel like i am still in the war because my family, my friends, the people i love are still there. >> we've been seeing harrowing images out of gaza. thank you for sharing your story and journal with us and we wish for your renewed safety in egypt. thank you. her documentary is now on nbc news.com. we have a new hour, after a break. nurtec odt may help.

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