hi, everybody, good to see you this hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing. a new legal hurdle.

lawyers say he has not been able to secure a bond for the $464 million judgment against him. what happens next. a critical decision from the supreme court. they have until 5:00 p.m. eastern to decide whether a controversial immigration law can take effect in texas. we're going to look at what's at stake. violence has escalated to new levels in haiti. the intensifies battle between a gang leader and the haitian national police as the state department works to evacuate u.s. citizens from the caribbean nation. and three separate shootings unfold within one hour. one person is dead, three others are injured as a florida city is now searching for suspects and answers. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments and joining us now, we want to begin with those new developments from trump's legal team. nbc's vaughn hillyard is following this for us. good to see you. what are we now hearing from the trump camp about his struggle to

secure a bond in his new york civil fraud case? >> reporter: right. this is not a normal presidential campaign here for donald trump. of course, well, his political team is focused on states like ohio and here and arizona over the next seven and a half months. donald trump, his family, and the trump organization are simply concerned over the next seven days with finding a way to put up bond or cash to pay that $450 million in damages stemming from judge engoron's decision in the civil fraud ruling from just last month. now, for donald trump, he has until march 25th to come up with that $450 million bond. in a new filing this morning from his attorney, they're making the case over 29 pages that in the words of the attorney, it's practically impossible because they have gone to 30 different charity bonds at this point, to try to come up and help aid donald trump with being able to post that sort of collateral. i want to let you look at a

statement from donald trump's campaign spokesperson who writes in part, this is a motion to stay the un-american judgment from new york judge arthur engoron, in a political witch hunt brought by a corrupt attorney. a bond of this size would be an abuse of the law, and fundamentally undermine the rule of law. in new york, president trump will continue fighting and beating all of these crooked joe biden directed hoaxes and will make america great again. of course trump's legal team have appealed to the new york appellate court, the decision of judge engoron, but at this point in time, it has been ordered by the court that he must post that more than $450 million appeal bond by monday, and this motion here from his legal team is seeking to put a stay on them having to execute that bond or the cash to put forward. >> a story very much developing there. vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. the supreme court has less than three hours and counting to decide whether texas state and

local police can arreseople believed to have entered the state illegally. david noriega is following this story for us. >> crossing the border without authorization is a crime under texas law. what texas sb-4 would do is turn it into a misdemeanor under texas law, prosecuting people suspected of crossing the border without authorization. if allowed to stand, this law would be hugely consequential. it would up end decades of precedent that make it the purview of the federal government to enforce immigration laws. it would open the door to states to pass similar laws, undoing the existing balance of power between the federal and state governments when it comes to immigration. as far as what it would look like to implement the law in texas if it's allowed to move forward this afternoon, there are more questions than answers. immigration, and criminal defense attorneys i have spoken to on the ground in texas who have been tasked with navigating the immediate effects of the

law, point out the law allows judges to point out. there's no existing system, no process, no infrastructure for state or local level officials to actually remove people from the country because that is a relatively complicated process that right now is only carried out by federal officers. that means that the practitioners who will be navigating what the law looks like on the ground, they are prepared for what they describe as chaos. if the supreme court allows this law to go into effect. >> david noriega for us. thank you, appreciate it. over to haiti. violence has escalated between a gang leader and the haitian national police as dozens of u.s. citizens have been evacuated aboard a state department charter flight. nbc's gabe gutierrez has been following all of the developments for us. what more, gabe, can you tell us about this? >> hi there, good afternoon, this violence has been escalating now for several weeks. now it's really intensified even more over the weekend. friday into saturday was an et

cetera -- escalating series of gun battles between the haitian national police and the gangs led by barbecue. the gang leader that has accumulated so much political power that opposes the prime minister. on friday into saturday, there was a gun battle. several gang members were killed according to local police, and also as we understand, we have been speaking with the director of a state broadcaster in haiti, and he says that state broadcaster has been knocked off the air because gangs have now gone to a more affluent part of the city, a northern part of port-au-prince. this all cops as you mentioned as the state department evacuated dozens of americans, more than 30 so far on a charter flight. there are some questions about whether they are evacuating those most in need because that charter flight went to a northern city where there's not as much violence as there is in port-au-prince right now.

certainly port-au-prince, the capital, 80% is controlled by armed gangs and the battle between them and the national police is only getting worse. >> gabe gutierrez for us. thank you, appreciate it. i want to get to the multiple shootings in florida last night that left one person dead and three others injured. nbc's marissa parra is covering this story in jacksonville beach. police are saying there were three shootings. the big question is were they related? what more do we know? >> reporter: police were very quick to say that this morning during their update that these three incidents were unrelated, that they were separate, and all of them, what we understand is they all happened within blocks of each other, including one of those locations happening outside of sneakers bar, that's right behind me. a very popular place in jacksonville beach regarding the status of the victims. you mentioned we have three

people shot and injured. one person who was killed. let's listen to what police had to say, a little bit what we heard this morning on those people who were shot. >> we are currently working three separate unrelated shootings. the first shooting two victim suspects shoot at each other. they are wounded and are in serious condition, surgery. one victim, the third was a completely innocent bystander who was visiting from out of town. he's in serious condition, was hit three times. >> reporter: so to sort of recap here, of the people who were shot, they said, one, they believe, was a known gang member. another was an innocent bystander from out of town. i want to discuss something quickly that was mentioned in this briefing. they talked about knowing about a large gathering of juveniles. they say that they had intel, that there would be a large

gathering of juveniles along the beach, under the pier, and so they had ramped up staffing, police staffing as a result of exactly that. and so they said they saw roughly 250 to 400 juveniles, we're talking about teenagers, young adults gathering there. they said they observed fighting happening. they said that it was as they were disbursing the crowds that they saw the first shots happening simultaneously. this was just before 8:00. remember, three separate incidents. it was within half an hour, and within blocks of each other, that we saw the separate incidents and so far no arrests have been made. yasmin. >> thank you. appreciate it. when we are back in just 60 seconds. what has been called the republican primary slug fest in ohio, more on the race that could shape the future of the senate.

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welcome back, the primary senate fight in ohio is reaching a nasty new level in the final stretch. i want to take a look at headlines. ohio's republican u.s. primary is heading for a brutal finale, being described as a quote unquote, slug fest, increasingly personal attacks as it ends on a quote, vicious note. you got three republicans this a tight race to challenge democratic senator sherrod brown in september, a race that could be, by the way, critical in determining who controls the senate. nbc's henry gomez is crisscrossing the state, heading to campaign events. he joins us on the phone. also senior political editor, rick wilson, former gop strategist. henry, start us off if you will. you live in ohio. you have been following this incredibly closely. how vicious are we getting here? what's at stake? >> well, yasmin, as you mentioned, this is shaping up to be a very close race between

trump endorsed bernie marino, and matt dolan. i was just in a coffee house in ohio with marino and kari lake who has been stumping with him across the state, and lake repeatedly referred to dolan as mitt dolan or called him the door mat, and she seems to have picked up the baton from donald trump over the weekend. rallied for reno and attacked dolan's family over the decision to change the major league baseball team from the cleveland indians to the cleveland guardians. you have allies of marino flooding the state in the final days saying this is a battle between maga and the old republican establishment. matt dolan has the support of ohio governor mike dewine. they're going to campaign together tonight in columbus. and dewine is popular with independent voters. not so popular with the right

flank of the republican party but somebody who can make a difference in a close race, and that is what's fueling these rhino attacks from trump and bernie marino and kari lake. trump and marino are treating him like an urgent threat. there is a third candidate in the primary, frank larose. he started the race with the highest name recognition and a lot of promise. but he lacks the money that marino and dolan have. they are independently wealthy, they've got vast resources to advertise their message. he has not been able to make a positive case for himself on tv in the closing weeks, and this is why it looks like we're ending at a two-person race, the trump side versus the establishment. >> it took us a moment to get to larose. we are taking a live look at an event there in ohio. as you were speaking of him, and it seems, has become a two-man race. henry gomez, i'll let you get back to it.

mark murray, take us two it. there are three guys in the race, and how integral and important this is. all of that being said, what are the polls looking like? >> yeah, and so the polling right now, yasmin is that we haven't seen a lot of good high quality polling that meets nbc news's standards. the stuff that's out there, as well as the perception of the race is that this is a very close and competitive contest, particularly between dolan right now as henry was mentioning as well as moreno. in a lot of ways, yasmin, seeing this as a replay of what we ended up seeing in 2022's republican senate primary, where j.d. vance ended up emerging in a three-way contest as that republican party's nominee. he ended up getting the endorsement from donald trump, but notably, he only ended up winning 32% of the vote that time around. and showing you how close things can end up being.

you might only need to have 32 to 35% of the vote to win in the three-way race right now. having donald trump's endorsement has benefitted a lot of republicans over the last several years. donald trump's endorsed candidates don't always win. i think that it's important to keep that in mind. moreno might have a little bit of an advantage with that trump endorsement, but it isn't locked up, and i think we're going to have to count the votes all night tomorrow night. >> let's talk, rick moreno, first, and dolan as well. obviously reminding folks that moreno did get the endorsement of donald trump. i know we were on the trail talking to voters. they had reaction of what they were to do if their candidate, moreno did not win, how they would vote come november. let's take a listen to that, rick, and then we'll talk! >> reporter: if moreno doesn't

win the nomination, will you support dolan? >> probably not. >> reporter: how will you vote? >> i won't vote in that race. >> watching what dolan has done in this campaign, i would sit out. >> i would do the same impact thing. >> reporter: do you think it's important for the republican party to unite after this race or not? >> i think it's important that the republican party unite, absolutely. >> i think it's fascinating, that last question, do you think it's important for the republican party to unite after this kind of brutal senate race. and saying, yes, it's important to unite, however, i would sit it out if moreno did not, in fact, win this. how critical is this? what do you make of that? >> they have an opportunity. sherrod brown has been an entertainer. they have a chance to change the ball game, give mitch mcconnell and the republican team a pickup if they did it right. it looks like, as mark points

out, there's not a lot of high quality polling in ohio. it looks like a close race with moreno ahead. the problem for the republicans, it's a culture of if they don't get what they want in a primary, they just don't do it. they just stay home. that's the emotional blackmail of the maga part of the party is if they don't get their candidate, then they'll walk away. and, you know, there is a chance that matt dolan still pulls this out. he's done a much better operational campaign, early voting, early turnout stuff, but, you know, moreno has the trump buzz. if they don't get who they want, they will stomp off in a huff, and make the race more competitive for brown. >> for dolan's part, they're saying if we want to win the seat in november and beat sherrod brown, we need to pull in the independents, and dolan is pulling in the independents. moreno was speaking and talking about how he feels as if this vote is a referendum on per your

point here, the republican party. let's take a listen to what he said and then talk. >> okay. >> president trump, j.d. vance view of the party, who has endorsed me or go back to the bush, cheney, mitt romney part of the party. a vote for dolan is a vote for 1980s republicans we thought were extinct. but on tuesday, we'll make it finally extinct in ohio. >> are people starting to recognize the importance of the swing vote that could pull out a republican seat in november. >> there is a part of this. when you look at moreno, all the scandals surrounding moreno the last few days, his overall presentation as a hyper extremists. he looks like the kari lake to doug mastriano. a poisoned candidate that makes it through the maga primary but has a much lower percentage

chance of winning a statewide race. i think we will end up with, you know, a disunified party, and he will not have that opportunity to pick up additional votes in the soft republicans, in those suburban democrats who are sometimes a little more conservative in ohio. among some of those independent conservative leaning voters in ohio. moreno may be a little bit too much. if there's one thing about a guy who gets caught on an adult site like that, there's probably more. and so i think if you are at the nrfc working for mitch mcconnell, you're pulling for dolan. >> all right. rick wilson, thank you. mark murray, thank you as well. we're going to be watching that race in ohio incredibly closely, as we get closer to november and see how this all turns out. thanks, guys. i want to go straight to the white house with the white house press briefing happening right now. jake sullivan speaking. israel has a right to go after hamas, the perpetrators of

the worst massacre of the jewish people sings the holocaust. israel has made significant progress against hamas. they have broken battalions, killed hamas fighters, including fighters. killed in an israeli operation last week. the rest of the top leaders are in hiding, likely deep in the hamas tunnel network, and justice will come for them too, and we are helping to ensure that. at the same time, more innocent civilians have died in this conflict, in this military operation than in all of the wars in gaza combined. including thousands of children. a humanitarian crisis has descended across gaza. an anarchy reigns in areas that israel's military has cleared but not stabilized. when the president visited israeli in october '18, the first president to make a wartime visit to israel, i might add, he said privately and publicly that the united states has learned a vital lesson over the course of several wars.

a military plan cannot succeed without an integrated humanitarian plan and political plan. and the president has repeatedly made the point that continuing military operations need to be connected to a clear strategic end game. the president told the prime minister again today that we share the goal of defeating hamas. we believe you need a coherent and sustainable strategy to make that happen. now, instead of pausing to reevaluate where things stand in the campaign, and what adjustments are needed to achieve long-term success. instead of a focus on stabilizing the area of gaza so israel is cleared so hamas does not regenerate and retake territory that israel has cleared, the israeli government is talking about launching a major military operation in rafah. the president and the prime minister spoke at length about rafah today. the president explained why he is so deeply concerned about the prospect of israel conducting

major military operations in rafah, of the kind in gaza and khan younis. more than a million people have taken refuge in gaza, from khan younis to gaza. israel has not presented us or the world with a plan for how or where they would safely move those civilians, let alone feed and house them and ensure access to basic things like sanitation. rafah is a primary enter point for humanitarian assistance for egypt and israel. and put it at great risk right at the moment it is most needed. third, rafah is on the border with egypt, which has voiced its deep alarm over a major military operation there, and has even raised questions about its future relationship with israel as a result of any impending military operation.

now, the president has rejected and did again today, the straw man that raising questions about rafah is the same as raising questions about defeating hamas. that's just nonsense. hamas should not be allowed a safe haven in rafah or anywhere else. a major ground operation would be a mistake. it would lead to more innocent civilian deaths. worse than the humanitarian crisis, deepen the anarchy, and isolate internationally. the key goals israel wants to achieve in rafah can be done by other means. on the call today, president biden asked the prime minister to send a senior agency team composed of military intelligence and humanitarian officials to washington in the coming days to hear u.s. concerns about israel's current rafah planning, and to lay out an alternative approach that would target key hamas elements in rafah and secure the egypt gaza border without a major

ground invasion. the prime minister agreed that he would send a team. he has his own point of view, but he agreed he would send a team to washington to have this discussion and have this engagement. and we look forward to those discussions. the president and the prime minister also discussed the ongoing negotiations for an immediate cease fire for several weeks in return for releasing hostages currently being held by hamas, and other militants in gaza. we would look to build on that cease fire into something more enduring and use the space created by a cessation of hostilities to surge humanitarian assistance at a vital moment. so far the steal has been more elusive than we would have hoped. we will keep pressing. we regard this as an urgent priority. as i said before, hamas could of course end this crisis tomorrow if it chose to do, so and as i've said before, far too little of the energy and the pressure to end this conflict has been applied to hamas. we will keep pointing that out.

the president and prime minister agreed to stay in close touch on the issues, and of course their teams are in daily contact, as well as the other threats that israel faces around the region and the shared threats that the united states, israel and other allies and partners face from iran and its proxy forces across the middle east. with that, i would be happy to take your questions. >> reporter: you mentioned that the cease fire deal had been elusive. i understand hamas put a proposal forward. is that still what you're looking for and is that still a live option at this point? >> hamas has put a proposal on the table. this is after israel working with qatar, egypt and the united states indicated a willingness to move forward on a six-week cease fire in return of release of a number of hostages, leading to further phases and hamas giving us nothing for quite some time. the last time i stood at the podium, i pointed out something, if hamas handed over the elderly

and wounded tomorrow, there would be a six-week cease fire. the israeli government has responded saying they can't just accept that. they regard some of those conditions as going too far. that's what a negotiation is about. as we speak today in, in qatar, you have teams from israel, qatar and egypt, sitting down and banging through the details to arrive at an outcome over the next few days, where there is actually a deal. we believe those discussions are very live. that a deal is possible. that we should be able to achieve it, and that it is the best way, both to get hostages home and to alleviate the suffering of the civilians in gaza, and from our perspective, we the united states are going to keep pushing on that, and the president has the opportunity to discuss that with the prime minister today. >> why did the president feel that this was an appropriate time for this delegation to come from israel, and why did he feel these would succeed in a way

your outreach to the israeli government have not previously. >> this is a natural evolution of a discussion between partners. we have had many discussions and levels between our military, our intelligence, our diplomats, humanitarian efforts. we have not had the opportunity to have an all encompassing, comprehensive, integrative strategic discussion about how to achieve two things, one, the ultimate defeat of hamas, and two, the protection of civilians and the stabilization of gaza in a way that will lead to the long-term security of israel, as well as the protection of innocent human life that is in gaza. so from the president's perspective, we've arrived at a point where each side has been making clear to the other its perspective, its view, and now we really need to get down to brass tax and have the chance for a delegation from each side on an integrated basis, everyone sitting around the same table, talking through the way forward.

from the u.s. perspective, this is not a question of defeating hamas. anytime i hear an argument that says if you don't smash into rafah, you can't defeat hamas, that's a straw man. there are ways for israel to prevail in this conflict to secure its long-term future, to end the terror threat from gaza and not smash into rafah. that's what we're going to present in this integrated away. when the team comes, we'll have a back and forth, and we'll let you know how that unfolds as we go forward. we're taking a listen to jake sullivan at the white house press briefing talking about the conversation that was had, the phone call between israeli prime minister bib netanyahu, and president biden. they had not spoken in a few days. two of the standout moments to me were the statement about whether or not israeli had a plan when it came to defeating hamas. they have the shared goal of defeating hamas. what was the plan to do so, and then they talked about the

incursion in to rafah and sending a delegation from israel to talk about their plan when it comes to a ground incursion into rafah. i want to bring in peter alexander, nbc chief white house correspondent. i want to talk more about this. one of the moments, peter, that stood out, is when he said, yes, this delegation is coming, right, netanyahu has agreed to send this delegation to the united states, but the prime minister already has his own idea of what he is going to do in rafah and he has made this quite clear. >> let's be clear, the backdrop to the conversation today. they have only had four year to date. the last one was february 15th, the tension between these two men, very different visions of the way it should be playing out and the way it is playing out right now. what was striking as we heard from sullivan, the u.s. has asked for this delegation of political, humanitarian, and military leaders to come to the united states, to washington, d.c., yasmin, as you noted and

to discuss alternatives to an incursion into rafah right now. he noted all the reasons why that is a problem, in the views of the united states, the palestinians who are there. it's a border crossing. not nearly enough is coming in the u.s. right now, and it's along the border with egypt, which has its own concerns right now. to the point you made, the real issue is that as he acknowledged, the israelis, as he said, have a very different opinion on this. the idea that he's going to say, your opinion, and find middle ground is very challenging. they are at odds in their view of this right now, and there are all sorts of ramifications here. let's start with the humanitarian ramifications. the united nations saying familiar anyone is imminent in northern gaza. there are 677,000 palestinians in that country right now who are near starvation, a number that will only grow if it's not addressed quickly. you have the world central

kitchen bringing in food because not enough aid is coming in. there's not enough u.s. effort at this point to build a pier to bring in aid there. that's the humanitarian issue, which is dire. you have the political issue for the president at home, facing relative ramifications, domestically from not just arab and muslim americans, but a lot of americans as we witnessed, casting their votes to uncommitted to send a message to the president of the united states. you have the military objective. the president views this differently than prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he has said he wants to see a two-state solution. what strikes me, another reminder, a matter of days ago that chuck schumer, the top democrat, top american jew in the halls of congress and the white house anywhere spoke out and basically said there needs to be a transition. so this was a big moment, i think, and it just underscores

the real tensions and how farther from solutions. >> is there a sense at all inside the white house that netanyahu will listen to the president, that the president has influence over the prime minister anymore? >> i think as evidenced by this right now, it's clear they are at odds, and you're hearing increasingly from the members of congress, including democrats who are saying, hey, we should condition aid, the united states should say unless more is done to help those people, the palestinian people who are facing starvation, famine right now. benjamin netanyahu, though, he does still have strong support across israel, not all satisfied with his politics, not all satisfied, certainly with the fact that october 7th occurred the way that it did, or at all. but the bottom line is there's certainly still a lot of people in israel that are worried about their neighbors on the border, and hamas still controls so much of gaza. >> peter alexander, thank you, my friend, appreciate it. after the break, the

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. welcome back. today, the supreme court turned away a case from one of the founders of cowboys for trump, despite using the same legal argument that worked for trump in the nation's highest court.

griffin was kicked out of his job after being criminally convicted for his role at the capitol on january 6th. he was trying to use the insurrection argument that former president donald trump used to stay on the ballot in colorado. while it may have worked for trump, griffin did not have any luck. with me, nbc's ryan reilly with the latest on this, author of "hunters", and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos as well. ryan, if you will, walk us through this case and what it means. >> you know, today i don't know if federal prosecutors actually bring this case against coy griffin because it was sort of one of those early cases. he was among the thousands of rioters on the west side of the capitol on january 6th. he didn't enter the building. what happened in his case is federal prosecutors charged him early, and he was followed around by a videographer the whole day. there was unique evidence where they could show minimum using the metal bike rack he was walking up, that he called

stairs or the wooden plank, there were all of these points that he was walking past the restrictions and knew he shouldn't have been there. the judge has been somewhat sympathetic to other defendants, convicted minimum in this case. what happened in the supreme court denying this argument, he ran for state office and because this was in federal office, that's where the difference was. the supreme court said that's up to congress to decide for federal office but it's a different case for state office like he was running for. >> what do you make, danny, first of all, the supreme court not taking up this case, and then we'll kind of talk about the merits of what ryan just walked us through. >> it's not surprising. you can actually point to a sentence in the supreme court's colorado opinion where they essentially say, states are free to disqualify state candidates for state office. and if you go back to the colorado supreme court opinion, which allowed trump to remain on the ballot, it left a lot of unanswered questions. in fact, the justices even disagreed on how those

unanswered questions should be answered. they agreed on the fact that the states cannot keep trump off the ballot as a candidate for federal office and specifically for president. they disagreed on how federal candidates for office would be disqualified, what nobody disagreed on is the idea that states can enforce section 3 of the 14th amendment against state candidates for state office. they didn't explicitly say that. they strongly suggested it, in a very specific line in that opinion. >> in laymen's terms, states can do really whatever they want. >> griffin argued and this is a creative argument, to expand, essentially then, language of the 14th amendment of the section 3, it may be the case that states can't even ban state officials, that states have no power to enforce section 3, whatsoever, period. in other words, states are not allowed to decide that someone is an insurrectionist at all because the language of that and section 5 appears to say, only congress can enforce this

section 3. that is not the ultimate position the supreme court took, and while it's a creative expansion of the language of the 14th amendment, griffin ultimately is now unsuccessful. >> as you mentioned he swore to uphold the united states constitution, which is, in fact, a federal doctrine. >> exactly. the defining characteristic of section 3 is have you taken an oath to uphold the constitution. that's how they get to griffin. while it arguably creates this federal hook, that was part of the argument, look, since this a uniquely federal issue, states can't ban me as a candidate for state office because only congress, that's the reading he took out of it. only congress through section 3 can enforce this section 3 of the 14th amendment. >> ryan reilly, thank you as well. the double haters in battle ground states, voters who are not exactly thrilled for a trump/biden rematch. does that mean a third-party candidate could get their

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welcome back, the 2024 presidential election could be decided by the quote unquote double haters. those voters who dislike both biden and trump, and could in fact be persuaded to vote for a third-party candidate. shaq brewster spoke to some of the voters in wisconsin about

what they might do this november. >> reporter: excuse me there, how are you? i'm from nbc news, can i ask you a quick question. first thing that comes to mind. what do you think when you see these two options? >> not great. >> reporter: in battleground, wisconsin, the choice the swing voters face in november is one they prefer not to make. are you excited about these being your options? >> quite honestly, no. >> reporter: i can't say that i'm happy about either option. what's the word you think? >> hell no. >> reporter: they're the so called double haters, and they could decide the election by holding their nose and voting for one of the major party candidates, choosing not to vote at all or. >> i'd like to have more choices. >> reporter: funny you say that, ask and you shall receive. does it change at all if i do that, and give you a third option? >> depending who that is. >> reporter: coca-cola or pepsi,

maybe we need that third option. >> reporter: support for third-party candidates is one of the biggest wild cards this election. in a february poll, 21% of voters backed third-party candidates with independent robert f. kennedy grabbing 15%. for context, in 1992, ross perot snagged 19% of the vote in what's considered one of the more successful third-party bids, and the options may grow. the group no labels is vowing to field a unity ticket, pairing a democrat with a republican. >> reporter: if somebody steps up to the plate other than these two, i would consider it. >> reporter: but the challenges are massive getting on the ballot in all 50 states, fundraising, and navigating hot button issues like abortion. perhaps the biggest hurdle. >> if the third party option makes it easier for trump to win, would you even consider it? >> oh, no. >> reporter: absolutely not.

>> perot was blamed for taking votes away from george h.w. bush and giving the presidency to bill clinton, as ralph nader is still attacked for shifting liberal votes away from al gore. for many of these double haters, they want to have the choice to vote with their heart. could you see yourself voting for a third party in this election? >> absolutely, i could. >> reporter: wisconsin. i want to bring in basil smikle to talk more about this. should democrats be worried? should the biden camp be worried about a third-party candidate? you heard that moment in a gore/bush matchup in which they said could it get any closer than this, and it was because of the third party take. >> not worried but vigilant, meaning make sure you contest every office that's up this year. don't leave any out, and go after every vote. it's really campaign 101, but

the reality is when you have limited time and limited resources, a lot of times candidates have to make tough choices. i would say this is not the time and the place to make the tough choices. you've got to go after every vote all the time. i would say the language around the lesser of two evils, which is essentially what you're hearing and supporting, it's scary because it reminds me of 2016, a lot of voters were very dismissive of the dangers of a trump presidency. if we do that again, we will absolutely have another trump presidency, which will bring us deeper into a place that i think our country has never been. >> i got to tell you, a couple of weeks ago, when i was in michigan, a few days before the primary, i was hearing the exact same thing, the choice between the lesser of two evils, which they didn't want to cast a vote for joe biden and/or donald trump, and you look at wisconsin, i mean, biden only won by 20,000 votes, right? that was a really small margin. >> no doubt it will be a close

election, but, you know, and i also want to be clear there's a lot of conversation around, you saw in the reporting, some african americans that weren't clear about what they wanted to do. >> and young people. >> young people. republicans are saying they can get african-american votes, i don't think that's the case. look at the fact the rnc has closed the office they were going to reach out to minority populations, including veterans, by the way. they don't have your best interests in mind. i would also say that the brennan center for justice had this great report that said that the black -- the turnout rate between black and white voters is widening and a lot of that has to do with the fact that the supreme court gutted protections in the voting rights act. the argument to be made to democrats is that conservatives do not have your best interests in minds. this isn't a lesser of two evils. you have very clear options on both sides. that's the point that the democrats and joe biden's team

needs to grab on. >> kind of the existential question i want to pose to you is the discussion about the two-party system in general and this real kind of anger and frustration, with the same candidates being on the ballot. bernie sanders, for instance, railed against when he was running, right, that seems like there's a real inherent frustration against that as well. >> as a former party leader in new york, i get the frustration, i would also say it's rare that third party candidate rises to the top where you have three very distinct choices. what ends up happening is that you see as from the reporting, those candidates have made a dent on the margins, and then, you know, one of the two major party candidates suffer. i also say, in many ways, bernd bernie sanders ran against the party. barack obama ran this proprietary campaign around the

years. for years, the infrastructure of state democratic parties across the country was not being supported and a lot of voters didn't have the same value that i did when i came into this business, looking at jesse jackson or ron brown or andrew young, were, you know, staunch democrats. i think the party has a lot to do to rebuild that kind of trust and faith among voters. don't take that anger out on the candidates in this campaign. it's not the lesser of two evils. there are really dire consequences if donald trump wins in my view. >> basil smikle, thank you, appreciate it. still to come, what some are saying could bring a seismic shift to real estate. could it have any effect on sky high housing costs?

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home sellers in missouri and illinois that said, look, we think you're violating antitrust laws. you're setting your commissions artificially high. yasmin, you know, the way it works right now, you want to sell your house, you get a listing agent, and typically the commission they're going to get is somewhere in the 5 to 6% neighborhood. yes, you can say that is negotiable. >> don't forget, you can negotiate. >> you can, but it's regional, and if you're in a hot market, good luck. they're going to take that 6%. they split it with the buyer's agent. this settlement eliminates cooperation agreements. agent mace cooperate, that's up to them, but you as a consumer are not bound to the secret agreement that has been holding people hostage for generations. that's why this is up ending the real estate industry. real estate expert says if you are selling this could be significant after july, if this goes through a federal court. that still has to happen. a federal court has to approve this whole deal, but if it does go through after july as a seller, you may not have to pay

6% ever again. everything is up for negotiation. we know that more competition brings down prices, brings down commission rates, it's better for the consumer. if you're a buyer, something to consider. you hire an agent. you might have to pay now. that might mean you can afford a home, less to put toward your down payment. sellers agents may compensate the buyers agent. this is not lost if you're a buyer. you need to be smart on either end, interview multiple real estate agents. ask what kind of value they're going to bring to you. know thank you very much more power as a consumer now. >> puts you in control, puts you in the driver's seat. >> vicky nguyen, appreciate it. that does it for us this hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. quote, insurmountable difficulties. donald trump's lawyers say he can not come up with the mon