passes a criminal law, unless they specify it applies to the president, you shouldn't apply it. that's a whole new one. the big thing that is going on here, though, chris, the court remembers, said whether and to what extent. that means reman. he is never going to win trump. but it means another round. that means another round up and down the courts. that means another month anyway. that's the delay aspect of the question they have framed. >> all right, harry, thank you very much. >> thanks chris. >> that is all in tonight. is a. >> you have a great evening. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. staff starjant ginel was one of the many capitol police officers brutally beaten by rioters on january 6th.

months after he testify today the january 6th committee, quote, my fellow officers and i were punched, kicked, shoved, sprayed with chemical irritants and even blinded with eye damaging lasers by a violent mob who apparently sasaw us law enforcement officersaw dedicate to ironically protecting them as u.s. citizens as an impediment in their attempt at insurrection. ipt vividly heard officers screaming in agony and pain just an arms length from me. i too was being crushed by the rioters. i could feeler myself losing oxn and recall thinking to myself this is how i'm going to die, trampled defending this entrance, end quote. because of the injuries he sustained on january 6th, staff sergeant guinell had to retire from the force. just yesterday he had to testify in the sentencing hearing for

one of the capital rioters who attacked on the 6th. he pled guilty to a felony for assaultinglo police officers. according to court documents he attacked multiple police officers and atpl one point wrapped his arm around the neck of a u.s. capitol police officer and threw the officer to the ground. yesterday michael mackrell was sentenced to 24 months in prison. he joins 1,300 others who joined in their role in the violence. including a conservative influencer arrested this week. she allegedly helped steal a table inside the capitol then used to help assault police january 6th. john was one of many insurrectionists who took weapons including guns and machetes to thend capitol that

day. it's importantto to remember al this, just to remember how terrible and traumatic january 6 gtd was because more than three years later as we continue to watch this near continuous stream of arrests, this is how the t republican party's presumptive nominee, how he decided to kick off a campaign speech in hawaii. >> laing, please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6th hostages. ♪ oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ >> well, thank you very much. and you see the spirit from the

hostages, and that's what they are is hostages. they've been treated terribly and very unfairly. >> now, if you're thinking to yourself that nails on alcoholic board rendition of the national anthem sounds familiar, you're right. trump has played that at multiple rallies. his reference to january 6th hostages are now a campaign mainstay. and it serves a very specific purpose, ripped right from the pages of the authoritarian play book. yale historian timothy snider has been warning for years now the eerie similarities between the current trajectory and rise of authoritarianism in 20th century europe. he points out trump's cast as martyrs has some chilling echoes in the past. before hitler came to power a chief nazi propagandist worked

hard to findnd a violent nazi w could be portrayed as a victim of the far left. he eventually found a dubious character who became the subject of the nazi's main song. trump hasma made an eerily simir move, turning his coup criminals intos musicians of martyrdom, d quote. musicians of martyrdom, and this is not the only fascist tactic that snider sees in trump's rhetoric. trump's ohio speech was riddled with dehumanizing language specifically when it comes to immigrants, language professor snider says sums up the fascist context. here's some of what he said about migrants at the southern border. >> they're in jail for years. i don't know if you call them people. in some cases they're not people inom my opinion. i'm not allowed to say that because the radical left says that's a terrible thing to say.

i'veth seen the humanity, and these humanity, these are animals, okay? we have to stop it. >> trump's dehumanization of immigrants, theum martyrdom of e so-called january 6th hostages, these are the contexts, snider argues, for thets moment in tha speech that setoff alarm bells for many people, a moment which trump threatened if he loses in november, there's going to be a bloodbath. here is exactly what he said. >> we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those. if i get elected -- now, if i don't get elected it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole -- it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. that'll be thetr least of it. >> that'll be the least of it is important here. that part of the speech setoff

alarm bells for a reason. what the hand wringing began immediately. what did trump really mean? was he just talking about cars or threatening violence? trumpor tried to clear it up toe in an interview. >> so bloodbath talking about it's going to be a bloodbath in the t auto industry because we' going toto lutz our whole indusy because this guy is going to all ecelectric cars, and they're made in china. >> ah, bloodbath in the auto industry. trump is saying nothing to see here, liberals are getting stirred up about nothing, i was talking about cars. but as professor snider points out trump is talk about people who stood to honor bloodshed, people who just sung with coup criminals, people whom w he implicitly promises he will pardon if they carry out another insurrection. and he's doing this in the fascist style of telling a big lie that confers martyrdom upon

criminals. we should see trump for what he is, an aspiring fascist who wants, needs, and likes violence, end quote. joining me now is professor tim snider. thank you for being here in person. this is a remarkable conversation. i'm an economics reporter, we've not used that term bloodbath about cars. what you write about is the context. it's not just whether he said that sentence about cars, it's everything else he said in the speechev starting with the salu of thert hostages. >> when he refers to cars, he's then clearly switching gears. he's saying the cars will be the least of it. and the folks saying the context ishe the cars, they're actually ripping it out of context. because the context is the whole fascistis history of violence,

martyrdom cults, trump's prior insurrection attempt in 2021 and the physical context he just got people to sing along with the criminals of january 6ngth. that's the real context. >> you write those who speciously insist that trump had in mind an automotive bloodbath never mention that he had just celebrated the criminals, repeated the big lie and repeated fascist patterns. you lay out f in your article t pattern of that speech. all of that was done before he brought up cars for one sentence and then went back to violence. >> before i came down here i was talking to d my 11-year-old daughter, and she said you know with dictators, dad, you just have to listen to what they say. >> she's learned well. >> in so much of the discussion you just have to listen to what the man says. you have to look at the excuses in good faith and bad faith. you can decide you like the bloodshed, you can lie about it now. you can decideut you're going t look away, but the actual

context are those human beings around him who have been asked to identify by singing and standing with violent criminals who tried to overthrow our system. that's the context. >> there's something important here. you told us we got the term the big lie or we applied it from work that you had done. donald trump is not acting like a politician who expects to win. he doesn't expect to win more votes. he just needs to be in the ballpark because he's laid the groundwork for you not believing he would have lost the election. >> yeah, it's also in the speech if we're talking about context at least nine times he himself invokes the big lie. and in that alalabamaterinate reality it's not the number of votes going to count, it's the feeling of having won going to count. that's whiwe haveg to understa his words in preparation of a november 2024 insurrection.

that's what he's after. >> the term dog whistle, the ideag you say something so peoe attune to s it can hear. what's the historic precedent for this? donald trump says c things, the rest ofru us can be hammering u whether he meant automotive bloodbath or whether he didn't, but the point is it's landing to people who needs a delay. >> yeah, it's definitely landing with people around him, but we also have a problem our immediate impulse is to say let's find an excuse for him, let's try to both sides this, let's try to suppress this. no, you can only beat this sort ofca thing if you recognize wha it is. >> how do you think we should handle these sorts of things because we typically don't carry a trump rally but he has them all the time, and as you note in your article this is not new, not weird. he introduces something he hasn't said before like this concept of immigrants as subhuman, vermin, poisoning the blood of the nation. this is not brand new.

what do you do? what do you do in the face of this? >> yeah, first of all, cover the rallies. 2016 his rallies predicted pretty well what kind of a president he was going to be.t we have the same thing again and we're not covering the rallies well enough. >> she thinks people should actually go listen to them or watch the whole thing, painful as it may be, to understand what's going on. >> taked it all in, take it literally, think about it, report onnk it rather than just doing the kind of distant analysis finding the excuses. listenin to the man because as u say his strategy is just get close enough to make some kind of a play. and we've got six or seven months to explain to americans that this is the bloodbath candidate, that what he's tryint to do is get close enough and threaten violence. there are a lot of undecided voters out there, maybe folks not here in new york, folks out there whono haven't thought of about this stuff yet. but when they hear what he's trying toar do. >> the problem is everyone has

this impulse to say he's just saying that. in fact, he said -- it was on fox news thist, weekend in whic hehi talked about why he uses ts inflammatory language. let's just see if we can play this. >> leer's my theory that you use over the top sometimes inflammatory language because that drives the media debate. did trump go too far? and then you get the next several news cycle talking about your issue, the language and was it enough? am i actually right on that? >> it also gets people thinking aboutpe very important issues, that if you don't use certain rhetoric, if you don't use certain d words that maybe are t very nice words, nothing will happen. >> he's laying out the excuse for people who h don't want to believeop him. he's saying it's just rhetoric, it's to make people think about important things, calling people immigrants, vermin, subhuman and a bloodbath.

>> in other words, if you use the i nasty words, things will happen. and he's right. theen fascist authoritarians th didn't personally have to kill people.ve they used language and that specific dehumanizing language of calling people beasts and saying my p opponents can't be power because they're the ones on the side of beast, that has a very specific history. so the words are the actions. the words matter in themselves. >> because the goal is to get pem to take on these ideas and deal with them. >> the goal is to say these other people on that side, the ones who help the animal, they're not real americans, they can't possibly be ippower, can't possibly beip legitimate. combining them with the notion elections are faked, it's meant to rally people so they think the violence is acceptable. and we know this can work because his words caused violence on january 6th, 2021. >> he knows it can work.

>> professor tim snyder is a professor of history at yale university. we're going to get the latest from ohio where a trump backed candidate has won the republican primary and while trump struggles to come up with half a billion in fines his son-in-law is working on business deals in serbia and albania. i'll talk to the business reporter who broke that news next. to the business reporter who broke that news next

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let me tell you a story that might seem complicated but it's really quite straightforward. as always, all you have to do is follow the money. a little over a decade ago donald trump, then just a private businessman, meet with the prime minister of serbia and tells him how much he would like to build a luxury hotel in the serbian capital of belegrad. it doesn't happen, but a few years later he's president of the united states. and he sends a peace process with neighboring kosovo. the guy trump sends, this guy named ric grenell, doesn't really have any experience in this arena but quickly indears himself to the serbian government by siding with them on everything they want. while he's there he makes a lot

of new friends. he likes to go clubbing with the serbian minister of finance, for instance. looks fun. and ric grenell also tells his new serbian friends they should consider the idea of an american real estate development in belegrad. meanwhile trump's son-in-law jared kushner is making fast friends spending time with the autocratic de facto ruler of saudi arabia. when kushner leaves the white house saudi arabia dumps $2 million into kushner's brand new investment fund. and now "the new york times" reports that ric grenell and his serbian friends and jared kushner and his saudi billions are teaming up to finally realize donald trump's dream of that luxury hotel development in belegrad along with other big real estate projects in the balkans. according to the draft outline obtained by "the new york times," the serbian government could turn over the land and the entire development to kushner

free of charge. which i happen to think is a very nice thing for a foreign government to do for the trump family. as donald trump locks up the presidential nomination while facing hundreds of millions of dollars in legal judgments against him. joining us now is "the new york times" investigative reporter eric litman who's been covering these deals. good to have you with us. i tried not to have that drip with too much sarcasm, buzz it's an amazing situation when you pull all the characters together in this development. >> yeah, we were startled when we learned that in fact this was a project proposed and considered by then trump businessman in 2013, and then in fact some trump representatives of the organization traveled to serbia and looked at the site and met with -- you know, the prime minister and reported back to trump. but then the project went

nowhere because shortly after that trump was running for president and the international deal stopped. that was the thing that surprised us this project that started off back in 2013 at trump tower during a meeting with the prime minister of serbia, and thim prime minister then, you know, was commenting on it today. he's now a member of parliament. he's now the foreign minister, but he say commenting on the same project today before the parliament and defending the proposal. >> now, i want to be clear in the reporting both kushner and grenell say that donald trump has nothing to do with this. >> that's right. i mean, trump, in fact, financially is not involved in this project at all. trump and kushner assert -- it's sort of hard for me to accept, but they both assert they were unaware that donald trump had considered this site. and i said to each of them in conversations, i said it's a bit hard to imagine that we're talking about not only the same country, the sim city but the

exact same property that you now are proposing to build a hotel, and that's what trump had proposed back in 2013, but they do assert they were unaware trump had considered this site for a hotel back in 2013 and 2014. >> this of course, the business interests side to the donald trump family are interesting at this moment in time, because we're just getting news this week donald trump has got until next week, but he's having trouble raising a bond for the fine he has to pay up. we have a bit more of a picture about donald trump's financial situation in that he cannot without liquidating something probably come up with half a billion dollars. mix the idea of big developments around the world more compelling. >> yeah, i mean, again, this is not a trump project. this is kushner project, and, you know, kushner has for the last three years been gradually building his investment fund investments, and this be the

largest group of investments he's done so far. there's two in albania and one in serbia. we're talking more than a billion dollars in these three investments. the things that struck us when we look at them is the projects both in serbia and albanyia require actions by the governments there to grant them, you know, the right to use federal property. and in albania it's a former military site that would be turned into a luxury resort. and in serbia it's the former headquarters of the military which was bomb by nato in 1999 and sitting largely vacant. in both cases the sites are controlled by the government, so kushner would require an act of the government to get access to these sites. and they know that his father-in-law is running for president, and this creates some questions about why these actions might be happening. >> it's not that serbia hasn't

had anything to say about donald trump running for president. in fact, it's been a pretty pro-trump government. >> yeah, they are supportive. you know, ric grenell has a pretty positive relationship with the president and prime minister and other ministers there, and they did work to try to bring some reconciliation between kosovo and serbia in 2020. and they had, you know, some success in bringing some reconciliation, but, you know, trump is pretty popular in serbia, much more popular in serbian than in kosovo, and so they like him. and they have good working relations, and i think that they've expressed the fact that they would be fine with trump being the president again. so the challenge here is that jared asserts that he knows that the spotlight is on him and that he must do everything completely

above board, and he's committed to doing that. but the challenge even like it was when trump first ran for president, when you have someone who is, you know, potentially in the white house, and they're getting concessions to foreign governments, it can create an appearance of a conflict of interest even if it isn't a real conflict, it can create an appearance of one. >> eric, thank you for your reporting on this. we appreciate it. "the new york times" investigative reporter eric lipton. more this evening including the latest on key pray maer races like the gop senate race where all eyes are on the new trump endorsed republican nominee bernie moreno. but first a supreme court ruling out of texas hipts at a potential about face by the court on the well-established precedent the federal government and not the states, not any state has the sole authority to regulate immigration. we'll have more on that after the break. immigration we'll have more on that after the break.

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the court struck down some key portions of of that controversial law in arizona meant to crack down on illegal immigration. the courticides today in effect the federal government gets to deal with immigration, not the states. >> in 2012 the supreme court struck down parts of arizona's immigration bill known then as the show me your papers law. that legislation targeted undocumented migrants by making it a crime to not carry federal

registration papers in the state. but the justices made it clear in their ruling that it wasn't up to arizona to decide saying, quote, the government of the united states has broad, undoubted power over the subject of immigration and the status of aliens. the federal power to determine immigration policy is well-settled, end quote. it appears now that the supreme court may have changed its mind. today the court decided to allow texas for now to enforce a new law that gives police the power to address migrants suspected of illegally crossing the state's border with mexico. the justice rejected an emergency request from the biden administration to block the law, and the administration's argument that texas' law violates the federal government's sole authority to legislation on immigration. this legal battle over texas' law is not over. a federal appeals court will hear oral arguments in this case tomorrow. that's a new development this

evening, so this law could still be blocked at a later date, but for now the supreme court is contradicting its own precedent and giving texas the authority to set its own immigration policy. joining me now is joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst and professor at the university alabama school of law in real life. joyce, it's so great to see you. it's so rare that we do this. this is a remarkably important story. it's actually not so much to do with immigration policy. and you can dislike the federal government's take on immigration policy, but the concept that immigration is a thing for governments to do with other governments, not for the states to be involved in is an important precedent. >> it is and the supreme court in the 2012 arizona case you referenced made that very clear. they said there's a supremacy clause. the federal government has the sole authority to legislate, to impose policy on immigration, and it's easy to understand why, right? what if fex co had to deal with 50 different state policies

instead of one national policy. it also this texas law will impose a big burden on state law enforcement officers and fralt law enforcement officers. >> one has to separate in their mind like they do in arizona, like they did in texas they disagree with federal immigration policies, but why would the supreme court entertain this idea? >> yeah, this one is a tough to understand -- a tough one. the best explanation i can give you this was not the supreme court's decision on the merits of the case. this was early stage, the issues are still being litigated in the lower courts. the only issue right now is whether this law can stay in effect while the courts are litigating the merits of the law itself. and it's a little bit unusual. the fifth circuit put an

administrative stay, and that's supposed to just be a temporary device that lets the courts decide how things will proceed while the case is taking place. but the fifth circuit took a long time here. and we saw that in today's opinion by brett kavanaugh, if the fifth circuit didn't act quickly the united states could come back to the court again. the response as you pointed out again only this issue whether the law can remain in effect. >> and the supreme court seemed to emply they would like the reasoning from the fifth circuit. so in other words there's an opening for the idea that tell me why you think this law should be -- that texas should be able to decide immigration issues. that said, there's a fairly good amount of established law that doesn't support texas' position. >> this is not a close call. there is no law that supports

texas' position. the texas attorney general, ken paxton, said, well, we're being invaded in texas by immigrants. and so under the provision of the constitution that permits a state to respond to an invasion, we are able to do this. in oral argument before the court in the papers that the solicitor-general's office filed, the solicitor-general said texas is not under attack. this is not an invasion by an army. this is not an imminent danger for the state of texas, and they're not permitted to use that provision of the constitution to justify this law. she is correct. there's just simply no authority for texas' position. >> so the way this goes is that the fifth circuit has oral arguments tomorrow, they will come to some decision, and then probably ends up in court again. >> probably either way. but remember this is just on the

issue whether the law can remain in effect. >> let's talk about donald trump's immunity issue that we're all waiting for, his legal team has filed a brief detailing their legal arguments that they're going to make before the supreme court next month. the threat of future prosecution and imprisonment would become a political cudgel to influence the most sensitive and confidential presidential decisions, taking away the strength, authority of the presidency. the lower court already heard that argument, just a rephrasing of what they -- tell me what you think it is. >> same argument. you know, it's funny in our nation's history, this has never been a problem for any president except donald trump. so his argument applies, but it only applies to a president who

wants to commit criminal acts. >> right, right. and he's -- one of the other things his team says in here is trauma at the hands of political opponents. donald trump likes to play this distraction game, that this isn't about an alleged crime that i committed, this is something driven by my political opponents. that also didn't hold water with the court. >> it didn't. you know, donald trump argues that he's the victim, but he persists in saying that joe biden is directing this prosecution for political purposes. it's very clear that what the biden administration has done is to reinstate the separation between the justice department and the white house on prosecution of criminal cases. his attorney general should reduce sentences, that's not what's going on here. trump is talking about how he

would run the justice department and not about how joe biden is. >> joyce, it is amazing to see you. thanks, my friend. joyce vance is an msnbc legal analyst. bernie moreno, and what ohio voters are thinking when we speak to the ohio democratic congresswoman chantel brown. she's standing by. that's next. sswoman chantel bro. she's standing by. that's next.

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you voted for brown. >> yes, i did. yes, i did. >> are you looking forward to the general election, are you concerned that ohio might lose its senate seat? >> i am. i -- i think i am similar to a lot of people in that i'm not really looking forward to the next election. just a little uneasy. >> about two hours ago, polls closed in ohio where voters have decided which republican candidate will square off against the democratic incumbent senator sherrod brown in november. while the three-term senator from ohio remains popular, the race for his seat is shaping up to be one of the toughest senate contests in the country. senator brown would be one of two democrats running for re-election in states trump won in 2020, and their ability to hold onto their seats could determine whether democrats hold onto their already thin senate majority. in the republican race to challenge brown, nbc news has already projected a winner of the three republicans who ran,

nbc news can projectfirmer car salesman bernie moreno wins the senate. moreno is the candidate who received trump's endorsement. moreno, a businessman who's never held a public office, has closely aligned himself with truffle on everything from immigration to a national ban on abortion. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman chantal brown from the great state of ohio. congresswoman, good to see you. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> anything about tonight's result that surprises you? >> actually, no. what we know in ohio is that the three republican candidates were deciding each other and that they were using personal wealth,

billionaire from outside the state's investment to attempt to buy the senate seat. and what we know in ohio is that senator sherrod brown has done the people's work, continuing to put people over politics, delivering real results and not rhetoric. so this is no surprise to us. and i expect that this will continue. they certainly left a lot of baggage for any candidates in thiseracy to compete. this did not come as a surprise to me at all. >> give me a sense why sherrod brown is one of those guys that gets a lot of support. he wins in places a lot of it trends doesn't necessarily suggest he might. why is this competitive right now? >> ohio is more rigged than it is red. quite frankly if you look back from what we saw on issue one, the november reproductive issue on the ballot?

shrined to protect a woman's right to make their own health care decisions, you could see overwhelmingly that we are a state that actually is more balanced than it is perceived. 51% of men in state of ohio were supportive of the reproductive justice issue. and when it comes to senator sherrod brown, he knows how to deliver the message because he connects with people from all walks of life and every level. he is a man that has supported veteran's issues, leading the veterans pact act initiative on the finish line on the senate side, a strong advocate and supporter of labor rights. and so those are the things that makes him very much appealing to a broad constituency, that which is consistent in ohio. >> and that context you just provided about ohio and how it votes is important because you talk about issue one, the reproductive rights referendum.

57% of ohio voters in november voted to enshrine abortion rights in the state. but the support of the exit polls indicate that the republican voters think the state's not conservative enough. all those of these republican candidates support abortion bans, so tell me the math doesn't seem to be mapping on that. >> right. well, i think we -- i think ohioans spoke loud and clear in august and november when they supported women's right to make their own health care decisions. and while the polls might say one thing about -- we know polls don't vote. when it comes to elections, we have to look at the numbers, and we'll take a deep dive on the outcome of this election to say where we can garner support and extend the support in this coalition, but he's already had some magical math himself being able to successfully win in

ohio, and i expect him to continue to be able to do that. despite the polling, we are confident with hard work, and clearly the republicans see sherrod brown as a real threat, but we're going to continue to fight and make sure the voters are aware of how important it is to protect the slim senate majority as you led this segment with. >> i would agree with you polls are not enough to go on particularly on primary nights when there are exit polls so you're dealing with a subset of a subset. amongst the republican voters exit polls indicate 44% say immigration is the most important issue, economy second, abortion thirty-third. but they ask a question about whether biden legit matly won the election in 2020 and 63% of primary voters said he didn't. i guess the reason i ask you this question is when you are trying to win an election in ohio in november, are you dealing -- are you trying to deal with republicans, or are

you just trying to deal with getting democrats out? because these are very complicated conversations to have. people in 2024 don't believe joe biden don't win the election, i don't know what the discussion looks like. >> you're absolutely right. sote what i would say to that is we have to talk to anyone, we can't leave any of the voters on the table. we have to be really intentional of making sure we deliver to our base. we can't take them for granted. you talk about the issue on the mind of voters specifically are the economy. they are concerned about issues on immigration as well as women's reproductive health. and so those are the things we have to talk about, and those are leading issues for democrats. if you think about the things we were able to deliver when democrats successfully had the majority, those were things we were able to dlivl on. really focusing on reducing

prescription drug costs, making sure we cap prices for seniors at $2,000 a year starting in 2025, capping the price oflen at $35 a month right now. those are real issues that are putting money back into people's wallets. and those are things that democrats get no republican support. when we talk about the abortion ban, all three candidates bernie moreno included support an abortion ban. so we have to get to the heart of the issues. right now i think it's important people talk about the issues and not necessarily partisan politics. this is a time when we're going to really have to elevate the conversation beyond voting by party lines and really get more sophisticated as it relates to talking about things that are important to the voter. what i know about senator sherrod brown he has the skills and experience to be able to do that, and so do my colleagues. we're going to be working

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the southern most tip of the gaza strip, the sitta of rafah is now one of the most densely packed places on earth. it has more people per square mile than new york city. for the currently 1.5 million civilians currently trying to survive in rafah, there is nowhere to run. they said the south would be safe, and then they attacked the south and told civilians to move farther and farther south until eventually they ended up packed into rafah like sardines without adequate food, water, and housing. for all of those advances israel had u.s. support. now, as the israeli military prepares to move into rafah, that does not appear to be the case. today the highest ranking jewish person in american government, the u.s. senate majority leader chuck schumer, today schumer told "the new york times" that when writing his speech about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu last week he

contemplated going as far as calling for netanyahu to step down altogether. for the past two decades schumer has been one of israel's and netanyahu's staunchest allies. schumer has defended israeli settlements in the west bank. he's called for israel to strangle gaza economically. he cosponsored a bill that would have made it a federal crime to boycott the state of israel. and when netanyahu came to the united states in 2015 to deliver a speech criticizing obama, a speech that dozens of democrats including then-vice president joe biden refused to attend, schumer showed up and applauded for netanyahu. it cannot be overstated how big a deal it is for chuck schumer that benjamin netanyahu has now gone too far. ultimately, last week schumer did not go as far to call for netanyahu to step down. instead schumer called for israel to hold new elections and explain why he thinks the israeli people should vote

netanyahu out. yesterday he called netanyahu to warn him against invading rafah. but today netanyahu announced he plans to invade rafah anyway. for decades the u.s. policy of unconditionally backing israel has pretty much been set in stone. but if netanyahu can lose chuck schumer, i don't know if that's the case anymore. and if netanyahu really does decide to pull the trigger on a ground invasion that would undoubtedly kill countless civilians in rafah, we might be seeing the start of a new era of israeli-american relations. that's our show for tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. we're doing very well with the jewish voter, it looks like. and we should do very well. if you look at all of our presidents, they're saying trump was the best for israel, by far the best for israel, and we're doing very well with the jewish vote as you can see in the polls. >> donald trump