understand what a big deal the nonendorsement by mike pence was, the signal it sends to other republicans, look, you do not have to put party in donald trump ahead of country. you do not not necessarily need to go along with all of this. i'm really interested to see how this all plays out. as you mentioned it's a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden, but for many republican voters it's a binary choice, trump or not trump, and i think that you're going to see that play out through the rest of the year. >> can't be overstated the importance of his former vice president saying he won't endorse him. see if nikki haley his last remaining rival does the same. msnbc contributor charlie sykes, thank you as always. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. trump is bringing back all the people. remember manafort convicted of

multiple felonies that gave polling data to russian intelligence and then got pardoned by trump. trump reportedly wants manafort to oversee the republican national convention, i'm surprised he could do, because when manafort was being sentenced pe claimed he had too many medical problems to go to prison. who better to run your election campaign than a man who isn't allowed to vote in that election? and good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 20th. we have a lot to get to this morning including donald trump's legal team taking the absolute immunity claim to the supreme court. it comes as the former president could be days away from losing his assets in new york because he can't pay the bond for the civil fraud judgment against him. where is he going to get the money? meanwhile, a senior adviser in the trump white house is waking up in prison behind bars.

we'll dig into all of that and have an expert -- expert legal analysis for you on all the trump legal dealings. with us the host of "way too early" bureau chief at politico jonathan lemire, former white house director of communications jennifer palmieri, co-host of the msnbc podcast with claire on "how to win 2024" and deputy managing editor for politics at politico, sam stein is with us this morning. we begin with last night's primary results and the closely watched republican senate race in ohio. so nbc news projects trump-backed bernie moreno has won the gop primary in the buckeye state. moreno beat out two other candidates by a considerable maher. state senator matt dolan who was endorsed by ohio governor mike dewine and ohio secretary of state frank la rose.

moreno is a former car dealer and blockchain entrepreneur. he was endorsed by donald trump back in december. his win reflects trump's ability to influence the outcome of contested primaries. moreno will face now sherrod brown in november. jen palmieri, i know possibly some democrats think this is a good outcome. i'm always leery of gaming things out, but in a way -- >> same -- >> -- it never works when it matters. i'm wondering, this is a good race for sherrod brown to run? >> yeah. the brown team have been preparing for this. they were out with a video defining him last night. this is bernie moreno and where he is on women's rights, on abortion rights, and it's a difficult -- ohio is a really

tough race. biden lost there. clinton lost there. has been -- obama was the last democrat to win that state in a presidential race. sherrod brown manages to hang on, and it's a very organic -- ohioans are used to voting for sherrod brown. tim ryan ran a great race in the senate two years ago, and he ended up losing, but tim ryan had never run statewide before. a connection sherrod brown has. he is the working class voter. he has a connection ohio voters, incredible on things like constituent services, people are used to voting for him, and i feel like if anybody has the chance to hang on in a state like ohio, it's sherrod. the republicans that do well mike dewine, kind of mainstream republican, kind of the

midwestern republican party that does well there, so, you know, i feel like sherrod has a great chance. >> to the point it's mainstream republican party, except they just voted for j.d. vance as senator there in ohio. sam, let's talk about this race and we should note that senator sherrod brown will join us on "morning joe" a little later this morning to talk about the campaign to come. you know, this is a real pick-up opportunity for republicans, they believe. the senate is so tight and democrats have all but conceded west virginia will go red, republicans only need to get only get one or two more, brown of ohio or montana after jon tester. what is your read on this race and also how this candidate shows again this is donald trump's party? >> yeah. people really need to understand because joe manchin has retired in west virginia that seat is

all but certainly gone for democrats, basically a 50-50 senate. in that case all republicans have to do is flip one seat and democrats don't really have a viable pick-up opportunity as in an opportunity to flip a republican held seat. to your point, jonathan, opportunities for republicans ohio and montana, but there are others. it's a tough road for democrats. dreamily difficult map. with respect to ohio, if there's ever a candidate that will defy the trends of the state and it's trending very red. you know, it's hard to imagine but it was the quintessential battleground not long ago. now that's not the case. it would be sherrod brown. he's got roots in the state and won before. those were easier cycles in 2006 was a democratic wave, 2012 he was with obama on the top of the ballot, 2018 back to trump. this is a different sight so it's going to be tough. when you talk to democratic operatives in d.c., you know,

they feel like, you know, if anyone is going to defy it's sherrod brown. bernie moreno was the candidate that they wanted and they point to the fact that trump has a great record of picking candidates in primaries, but those candidates do not have a great record of going on to win in general elections. the last cycle is proof of this. blake masters, herschel walker, dr. oz, all candidated for senate that trump got behind who lost winnable races. that was a different cycle. it was supposed to be a republican cycle. this will be tricky for sherrod. >> we'll be watching this. in a new interview, nigel farage, former president said the united states will remain committed to nato as long as european countries pay up. >> if they start to pay their bills properly and the club is fare, places like poland defended, will america be there?

>> yeah. but the united states should pay its fair share, not everybody else's fair share. >> fair enough. >> i believe the united states was paying 90% of nato, could be 100%. it was the most unfair thing. don't forget, it's more important to them than it is to us. we have an ocean in between some problems, okay. we have a nice big, beautiful ocean. it's more important for them. they were taken advantage and they did, they took advantage of us on trade and took advantage on -- >> if they play fair, start to play fair, america is there? >> 100%. 100%. >> thank you. >> okay. let's talk about that nice big, beautiful ocean. joining us now former supreme allied commander of nato, four-star navy admiral james stavridis, chief international analyst for nbc news. i suppose trump getting to 100% committal to nato at the end is a positive development, but there's always the couching it. it's always about the money.

what's your reaction? especially the analysis that seems rather, what's the word, simple? >> yeah. nothing an admiral likes talking about than a big, beautiful ocean. >> exactly. >> let's talk about a big, beautiful chunk of money which would be what the europeans spend on defense. if you listen to donald trump, the other 100% he threw out there was, you know, nato is funded 90%, maybe 100%, by the united states. that's just ridiculous. can we do the numbers for a minute, the actual numbers? the united states defense budget is $850 billion, and that's because we have global responsibilities that we take on ourselves. the chinese budget, to put that in context, is like $250 billion, and the russian defense budget is $90 billion. the question is what are those, quote, freeloading europeans

unquote pay? they pay $380 billion for defense, mika. your dad would have known this well. the second largest defense budget in the world is by far is that of europe collectively when you add it all up. second point, the europeans have stood and delivered and fought alongside as i commanded 50,000 european troops in afghanistan. they were never attacked from afghanistan. we were. article 5 of the treaty was enacted and the europeans came with us, and i signed hundreds and hundreds letters of condolences as supreme allied commanders to european families of their servicemen and women who fell if afghanistan with us. third and finally let's take on this 2% idea. here donald trump is correct

that the europeans, not all of them, spend 2% of their gdp on defense. they need to get to that target. about two-thirds of them have done so. and the pressure being put on them to conclude is actually not from donald trump. the reason european defense spending is rising is because of the greatest nato salesman in the history of the treaty and his name is vladimir putin >> yeah. so admiral, trump's base, his followers will hear the false sort of logic he puts together and say yeah, that makes sense, they need to pay, of course, because we protect them. could you talk a little bit -- i'll say where this is coming from, i've been watching this "turning point" documentary a reminder you mentioned my dad, of just what it took to put nato together, why nato, the alliance, was created, why it's

almost vital to the world's security, and how easily these alliances can fall apart. can you talk a little bit about that and how what trump is doing almost looks like history on repeat? >> it extraordinarily does. if we can go back to that big, beautiful ocean for a second, in the 1930s the united states believed the big, beautiful oceans to the left and right, the pacific and atlantic, would keep us safe. how did that work out? not very well, when the nazis swept across europe and the imperial japanese empire across asia. eventually the world reaches out and finds you and isolationism is not the answer in these circumstances. it's a danger. i really worry, mika, that we're on a history repeat 1939 kind of moment here, instead of the

nazis invading poland, it's vladimir putinp invading ukraine, and he won't stop there. i've met -- >> that's right. >> i know his metal. he will continue until he is stopped. and final thought, nato is crucial to all of that. we would be epically foolish geopolitically to withdraw from the nato alliance. >> i think it was my brother who was on last week who said in poland, he's there every day, it's 1939 all over again, and staying on the concept of history repeating itself, we're slowly seeping into our psyche and our society, donald trump is standing by his claim that all jewish americans who vote for democrats hate their religion and hate israel. speaking to reporters while casting a florida primary ballot for himself yesterday, the presumptive 2024 republican

nominee followed up on his comments from monday. here are his initial remarks followed by what he said yesterday. >> why do the democrats hate bibi netanyahu? >> i actually think they hate israel. >> yes. >> i don't think -- i think they hate israel. when you see the palestinian marches -- even i am amazed at how many people are in those marches -- guys like schumer see that and to him it's votes. i think it's votes more than anything else because he was always pro-israel. he's anti-israel now. any jewish person that votes for democrats, hates their religion. they hate everything about israel. and they should be ashamed of themselves. i think that the democrats have been very, very opposed to jewish people. that's true. and to israel. all you have to do is look at senator schumer. what he did with israel is a disgrace and i think israel will

not forget it very soon. it's a sad situation. >> on capitol hill yesterday, senate majority leader chuck schumer condemned trump's comments and we also heard reaction from a number of senate republicans. >> the former president's comments were utterly disgusting, and a textbook example of the kind of anti-semitism facing jews, pushing the dangerous anti-semitism trope of dual loyalty. to say you hate israel or your religion because you have one political view over the other is sick, it's hateful. it is unadele ter rated anti-semitism. >> that's highly offensive. we do not in this country attack people based upon their religious beliefs or their political views. it's a terrible mistake on his part, for which he really ought to apologize but won't. >> president trump chooses words that i don't always choose, but he's not wrong about i think

democrat leaders fell into israeli -- >> i haven't seen that. i don't know the context. >> tooingz a broad sweeping generalization that would be hard to justify. >> biden's administration is not holding, you know, hamas accountable. >> i prefer to keep people's religious faith out of these discussions. but like i said, these guys are going to litigate the campaign the way that they're going to do it. my expectation it's going to be spirited. >> all right. disgusting, hateful, offensive, deeply disturbing. listen, it's time and it's not hyperbole or exaggeration, but i would say, that it's time to start looking at donald trump for the danger that he is and looking at the history from 1939 to the present, of how it happens. jonathan lemire, if you read books on fascism and dictatorships and how it happens, there are through lines

that are happening here in american and the choice is very real and for people who like democracy, this is a frightening moment. >> yeah. there are some dark ominous parallels here that language that trump uses and is then parroted by his supporters. it is, as senator schumer said, deeply offensive. you can support the state of israel and yet have disagreements with it. you can support the state of israel and be a democrat. you don't have to be a republican. and sam stein, it's sort of the usual collection of responses from trump's fellow members of the gop, someone like senator mitt romney, condemns it as he does. a few others pretty good on stuff like this. senator cassidy willing to break with him. others do the routine of i haven't seen it, i can't comment on it and others back him up and agree with what is deeply offensive not just for jewish people but for anyone who loves

democracy. >> yeah. i think the word you used routine is the appropriate one here because there is something routine about this. it's not just the responses that lawmakers on the hill made, which we've all become very familiar with, those who haven't had the time to see the tweet or witness the statement, and those who do, but are more often than not leaving congress because they don't like the politics of it, but the routine of the comments themselves. this is not the first time that trump has used this trope. he's talked about dual loyalty before. he's used the phrase dual loyalty before. he's questioned how jewish americans can vote democratic. he's questioned how any jewish american could be critical of the netanyahu government. this is not something that's new, and i think part of what mika was getting at, although i don't want to speak for her, is

that there's a familiarity with it and we've grown almost accustomed to it, and it becomes a routine, as you pointed out, jonathan, and we don't get bothered by it. i think that's what is the worry for some folks who say look, this comment is well beyond the pale, is anti-semitic in nature and should be condemned. >> for sure. >> admiral, you and mika were discussing sort of the parallels to 1930s europe and america and what strikes me that time in america this country was led by franklin roosevelt. and we are facing the prospect of instead rather than that, you know, we had not -- there were difficult, certainly forces within the united states that were isolationists and somewhat sympathetic to -- somewhat -- isolationists let's say, but we didn't have things like january 6th happening here, right. we didn't have -- we weren't

facing the prospect of a leader that had aligned himself with hitler as trump has aligned himself with putin. process that fourz, what it could mean for a trump presidency when you look at the parallels between now and the europe in the '30s? >> jen, when asked, as i often am, what are the implication of a trump presidency in my wheelhouse, i'll let the domestic politics to the "morning joe" team, but internationally i get the question constantly from all around the world, and i think the two dangers, you put your finger on one, is isolationism. it would not serve this nation well over time, and i think the 1930s are instructive. we tried that, we pulled back to

the united states, we rejected the league of nations, the predecessor to the u.n., we erected massive trade barriers, tariffs, how did that work out? we cracked the global economy. we were attacked at pearl harbor, and not see, germany, by the way, declare war on us. so history will find us. isolationism doesn't work. the other thing i worry about a lot and you're seeing it here, is the unpredisabilitibility, the erratic behavior, that bleeds into foreign policy. the world wants stability and guidance and a central set of thoughts from the united states of america, and it's hard to see that from donald trump going back to what we just talked about because his comments are not only erratic, they're incendiary and divisive, incredibly divisive. last thought, think of how all

of this is received in moscow, in beijing, in tehran, in caracas, in north korea. they are thrilled when they see us divided and arguing and driving stakes between different segments of our population. those are the big three dangers here. it's the erratic, it's the isolationism, and it's the division of our society, all of those things are causing people to do high fives in the nations that oppose us and hate us. >> we had the conversation about the big three darngsz and the threat from within first thing in the morning, but we need to have it, we need to face it. we need to notice this every day and not be numbed by it because this is the risks are high here and they're right in front of us. retired four-star navy admiral james stavridis thank you very

much. the admiral's book entitled "2054 a novel" is available now. still ahead on "morning joe," the latest on donald trump's immunity fight as his lawyers issue a new plea to the supreme court, plus fox news explains why wealthy republicans aren't helping the former president post bond in his new york fraud trial. where are his friends? you're watching "morning joe." we're back in 60 seconds. tr

asked 30 different companies to cover the $464 million but they all said no. check out how they did it. when trump asked nationwide for help. >> hell no dude you're on your own. >> come on. when trump asked liberty for help. >> bankrupt, bankrupt, bankrupt,

bankrupt! >> and finally trump asked farmers and they said -- >> we aren't suckers. bum da dumb bum da no. >> that's funny, but my instinct is someone will be. donald trump is running out of time to secure an appeal bond for his civil fraud case. the former president has until monday to come up with the cash for the $464 million judgment with interest. if he doesn't, new york attorney general letitia james could start seizing his assets. his lawyers on monday asked an appeals court to stop the collection proceedings because they have not found a bond company that is willing to back trump. according to his lawyers, the former president would need to put up nearly $557 million worth of collateral. as "the new york times" points out most of trump's wealth is tied to his real estate assets,

which bond companies will not accept as collateral. senior fox business correspondent charlie gas perino explaineded why trump's billionaire friends have yet to had help him out. >> what is behind their reluctance? >> it's as of now. >> we understand that. are they afraid they might not see it any time soon, even if he succeeds on appeal. >> yeah. that's one thing. i don't want to, you know, speak for bernie marcus, that's for sure, but just generally, donald doesn't have a great record of paying back banks over the years and -- donald trump, so, you know, you can sort of surmise from that what you will. >> joining us now, msnbc legal analyst dancy cevallos and andrew weissmann, co-author on the new book of trump's

coindictments. i would think a judgment in a civil trial would -- finding the defendant libel means the consequences that he has to pay with his own money, that's pay the consequence, are there rules around who pays these judgements or can anyone jump in and bail him out and inevitably is trump going to get that, you know, some political supporter perhaps could help him? >> so anybody can jump in, to answer your question. >> really? >> there's no restriction on getting a friend, it can be an american, it can be somebody overseas, anybody can come in, but so far that hasn't happened. i think one thing that we have learned is, donald trump simply, in spite of what he has been telling the public, does not have the money. his story is that he does not have liquid assets, he doesn't have cash to put up to satisfy the bond.

the bond by the way is typical. that's a standard thing. and his claim that well, he can't do that because all of his real assets are in real estate, which is illiquid, that doesn't really make any sense. if he really had real estate with equity in it, he would do what many, many homeowners do which is get a mortgage and he can use that money to put up the bond, so he also clearly does not have equity in either cash or in the real estate to put up the amount of money. i think on monday absent the court lowering the amount or somehow staying the bond requirement, we're going to be seeing letitia james seizing assets and she will -- >> i don't believe it. >> she will find out everything. >> here's the thing on seizing assets. andrew is right, but the challenge here is actually what that looks like.

this is why ordinarily plaintiffs' attorneys and private firms aren't really big fans of being able to seize assets after a judgment like this. they would rather go after a company or an individual who is covered by an insurance policy that usually has liquid available to pay a judgment. most plaintiffs' attorneys are not that interested in the trouble of seizing assets. it's not fun. it's not easy. i imagine donald trump has protected himself with layers and layers of protection that we haven't seen yet, that letitia james may not know about. it's not going to be an easy process. it won't be as simple as freezing assets or walking in with a giant padlock in front of one of the trump buildings and getting that money within a week. it's going to take some time. most plaintiffs' attorneys are not that interested in executing judgment. if you're letitia james and you're a government agency, then those are the kinds of things you're not worried about. >> andrew, what are the chances though he doesn't have someone come up with the money for him

and get away with this and everything else he seems to be getting away with? seems to be. i know the legal process moves slowly and they don't listen to people like us. but jared kushner walked away from saudi arabia with $2 billion. he's buying land in eastern european countries and building -- i mean, there's just i think a slight chance he has access to the money. >> well, that is everyone's national security concern, is that there will be somebody just hypothetically like an elon musk here in the united states or sort of maybe equally or more scary way somebody like an n.b.s. or a russian oligarch who will think this is a very good investment because if he becomes president, there will be 464 million reasons why donald trump will favor that person in terms of his policies.

so i agree with you, i think that his, you know, best strategy, his best exit strategy so there isn't the seizure of assets and also the disclosure of just how fragile his empire is, to keep that all under wraps, his best strategy is to find that third party even if it is a foreigner who will lend him the money. >> okay. we need to continue this conversation because i want to understand more about how that's possible. also, trump adviser peter navarro is in prison as of now. he went to prison yesterday and also why donald trump is telling the supreme court he's basically immune to everything, and he might be. we'll be right back. kayak. no way. why would i use kayak to compare hundreds of travel sites at once? kayak. i like to do things myself.

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our republic that has ever been charged with this alleged crime, and i say alleged because for hundreds of years, this has not been a crime. executive privilege goes back to george washington and his remarks to the congress regarding the j treaty, and he said eloquently that -- right to the congress, he said, i cannot command you as members of congress to come to me. you cannot command me to come to you. the reason is -- >> all right. he will be reporting to that prison 2:00 p.m. eastern time in miami to serve his four-month prison sentence. he began saying not about me. he sade this is about a

crippling blow to the justice system. it is no longer an alleged crime that he'll be serving this four-month sentence for. he has been convicted. there was no evidence that did -- that would have excluded him per executive privilege from testify. judge roberts refused to delay his prison time. he continues to appeal his prison time for refusing to testify before congress for his involvement and efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. >> anchor sandra smith interrupting former trump adviser peter navarro's press conference with a fact check. navarro turned himself in to federal prison yesterday to start his four-month sentence after being found guilty of contempt of congress for violating a january 6th committee subpoena. we're back with legal disabled list danny cevallos, peter

navarro goes to jail, paul manafort goes to jail, rioters inspired by donald trump go to jail for years, and yet, doesn't seem to be consequences heading trump's way, and i'm wondering the documents case and how that's going and wow, the decision making and the lack of organization on the part of the judge there appointed by trump just saying, it just seems like the only place where donald trump will face consequences, maybe, andrew weissmann, you can correct me if i'm wrong, would be in the civil cases? >> well, i agree certainly in the civil cases we're seeing real bite in terms of what's been happening in various new york cases with -- as we've discussed over a half a billion dollars in penalties. there is a criminal case that is

in all likelihood going to start next month in manhattan that the d.a. here alvin bragg has brought, but you're certainly right that we are seeing signs of the criminal justice system not adhering to normal rules and the rule of law, whether we're talking about the florida case with judge cannon, which doesn't have any sign of -- that it's going to go to trial before the general election, or donald trump being helped by the supreme court's let's just say lackadaisical scheduling, the immunity argument that isn't going to be heard by the court until the third week in april. so there certainly are extensive delays going on in his other criminal cases, which is, you know, unlike what happens to any other defendant who doesn't have

sort of the wealth and power of a donald trump. >> andrew mentioned the supreme court. former president trump is asking the u.s. supreme court to grant him absolute immunity in the federal election case against him. in a brief that was filed yesterday trump's attorneys claim denying him broad immunity would, quote, incapacitate every future president and leave them open to things like blackmail and extortion. trump's lawyers argue as a former president, trump should have absolute immunity for any official acts that he took while in office because, they write, the president cannot function and the presidency itself cannot retain its vital independence if the president faces criminal prosecution for official acts once he leaves office. the filing lays the groundwork for the legal arguments that trump's attorneys plan to make ahead of oral arguments in front of the supreme court scheduled for april 25th.

so far trump has lost his presidential immunity argument in two different lower courts. danny, we see what trump legal team is trying to do here. they have their eye on the supreme court arguments a month out. he's lost twice before. >> the arguments are no surprise. we've seen them for months for both sides the argument is straightforward from the trump team. number one, that a president is absolutely immune, even after he's out of office, for officials acts he undertook while he was in office. they say anything that's -- if you're defining official acts, anything within the outer perimeter counts for acts of immunity. they're continuing with what i call the impeachment judgment clause immunity argument, which is this, you may remember, the idea that only a president who is impeached and then convicted may thereafter be prosecuted. there's some internal inconsistencies here because on the one hand they say president

absolutely immune for official acts. the impeachment judgment clause says in so many words that a president impeached, there are situations where he may be convicted or charged criminally thereafter. this has been pointed out in the courts, an inconsistency in the argument. how can you say a president is always immune but then he can be processed after impeached. i always go back to vincent, famous prosecutor wrote a book about wanting to prosecute george w. bush for murder for waging war and waging war is something that presidents are involved in, and, obviously, i don't think a lot of people would think that's a pretty official act. i don't know about prosecuting a former president who acts in war. america has been in wars, unfortunately. in a situation like this, let me give you an example of the official acts, tweets and statements the 2020 election was tainted by fraud, communicating with doj officials about

investigating fraud, and just talking about whether to appoint a new acting attorney general. we remember all that. does anybody doubt any of those actions were anything other than self-motivated? did any of those actions feel like anything that was presidential? would you put that on the same level as an act of war and deciding to send troops to a hot zone? that's the point here. the problem is these facts for trump are bad, but there really is an issue about immunity. i almost think this impeachment judgment clause argument is kind of a burden for the trump team because it's internally inconsistent. >> all right. i'm -- >> go ahead. >> sorry, mika, i had a question for andrew. sort of the backstory of all of this, overshadowing it all, trump was always going to throw sand in the gears, he was always going to try to delay this past the election, and i think this, combined with the appointment of robert hur as special counsel in the biden documents case, has really sparked a reassessment

among a lot of democrats about merrick garland and the decisions he's made at doj. i wonder if you've had a similar reassessment, if merrick garland moved too slowly or naive about the politics of this? >> great question. so i do think that there are two ways in which i have criticized and continue to criticize merrick garland. not because i think he's a bad person or ill intentioned or, you know, in any way politicizing the department of justice, you know, being he politicized, but i do think that the january 6th case is one that was slow in the uptake and one of the reasons we're having this watching the clock and, you know, we're in this sort of time crunch is because i think a certain amount of sloth in the way the department began its investigation. i don't think that can be said

with respect to jack smith. i think he is dealt the hand he was dealt and has gone quickly. with respect to the appointment of robert hur, i do think that bought into this idea that you have to appoint a republican to investigate a democrat and you also need to appoint a republican to investigate a republican, and i think that buys into this idea that prosecutors and judges and witnesses and jurors can't act out of principle and i don't think there's anyone who would say that rob hur was the best person for the job and that should be the criteria, not the political party of the person. yes, you'll take a short-term hit because people will say, you know, you appointed a democrat to do this, but, you know, i think you have to sort of -- that's why you're paid the big bucks, is to sort of stand by the principle that shouldn't matter.

people regardless of party can do the right thing. >> former federal prosecutor andrew weissmann be and legal analyst danny cevallos, thank you both. i am sure we will see you both again very soon. still ahead on "morning joe," the cdc is now urging vaccination amid rise in measles cases around the world. we'll check in with a leading health expert about what precautions to take ahead of a busy spring break travel season. plus, democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio will be our guest as he is now set to face off against trump-backed republican challenger bernie moreno in what is expected to be one of the nation's most competitive races this fall. also ahead, we'll talk to oversight committee member daniel goldman about what to expect from today's republican-led impeachment inquiry into president biden. "morning joe" will be right back.

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than anyone else. get started for $49.99 a month plus ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. don't wait- call today. welcome back. in the san francisco bay area, health officials are warning about a possible measles exposure at a restaurant over the weekend. the warning comes just days after the cdc issued an alert over the growing number of cases in the u.s. this year, 58 cases have been reported nationwide, the same number of cases reported for all of 2023. and that number is expected to rise as families travel for spring break. joining us nbc news medical contributor dr. vin gupta. first, what do you make of this uptick? >> well, mika, good morning.

this uptick is not surprising when we talked about it a few weeks ago, we expected at the time this number was going to increase and it's going to continue to increase because there is now a growing number of parents that are not -- have decided not to vaccinate their children and there's these spots. for the country there is widespread immunefity against measles because most of society has been vaccinated. a chance of a major outbreak is unlikely. the fact that we're talking about this and this number continues to climb already exceeding 2023 numbers is worrisome. to counter this notion that parents should make their own decision about whether they should get their child vaccinated we're talking about pediatric cases here because kids are at the highest risk unvaccinated from this virus, what's worrisome is one in five unvaccinated kids who contract measles end up in the hospital.

any public health official making this voluntary like the surgeon general in florida is a number that is worrisome. 20% can end up in the hospital. >> are we making a connection to politics? bottom line, less people getting the vaccines they need? >> yes. and we're not just seeing this when it comes to measles. we're seeing this with flu and any number of ris paer to vaccines here. with measles the high hospitalization rate is worrisome. i think we have a few screens for your viewers, mika, if we can share them. for those that don't need a vaccine, born before 1957, likely protected, if you already know you got two shots you're protected. prior measles you're protected. that's important to know whether or not you've had the two shots or protection antibodies in your

blood. those that have only received one shot of the vaccine, talk to your medical provider. if you're unvaccinated and pregnant critical to talk to your medical provider. important if you're traveling for spring break and you have a child they're 2 and they've gotten one shot it's okay to get the second shot earlier. normally happens at age 4, okay to get it earlier. >> so i want to ask you, doctor, about ozempic and other weight loss drugs. there is a study from johns hopkins that points to shortages for those who need it. these drugs are not specifically for weight loss, but they're being used for them. can you give me a sense of what is happening? the studdedy was 1800 people. shortage is real and what is the drug, what are the drugs used for for their primary use? >> absolutely. this is really important, and

the other leading health story really that we're talking about across the country. these medications are called glps for short. they can treat type 2 diabetes. what we're seeing here is major indication if you have type 2 diabetes or in some cases if you are overweight and have a bmi greater than 30. now we have the medications like zepbound that are on the market that actually the indication is weight loss. the problem here that you're highlighting is that the risk is that thousand dollars a month, ten times what we're seeing in other countries that have these exact same medications. it's being marked up here in the united states. it's unfortunate that that's what's happening. that is causing people like in the study of johns hopkins that looked to people that would qualify for these medication, only about 2% are getting affordable access to these meds. the pharmaceutical companies are releasing press release after press release talking about how amazing these drugs are for so

many people. maybe 100 million in america across the country could benefit from these meds. and yet, a very, very small percentage of people actually have affordable access to them. that is the problem because the list price is so high and insurance companies are saying we're not going to cover it. >> the price is a big issue. just one last question about this, though, because is it a balance here? because the obesity crisis is so severe, it's an epidemic, and it, too, is a serious health problem. so i'm -- something more uniform on the grand scale need to happen with the price of these drugs and their availability? >> absolutely. critical question. the inflation reduction act is going to allow potentially congress to talk about negotiated drug pricing. it's not going to happen until 2027 towards the end of the decade. a few years there. critically, we're going to have oral versions of these drugs that will lower price point as well.

to your point is there a balance? yes. the entire country that is otherwise has diabetes or if folks that are overweight start on these medications at the current list price it's going to cost a trillion dollars a year. not sustainable. there's going to be off ramps in the form of new oral medication tas do the same thing that will lower the price point. we need to consider federal action to regulate and negotiate these drug prices. >> nbc news medical contributor dr. vin gupta, thank you very much for coming on this month. we'll be following both those stories. coming up, we'll go through yesterday's primary results an the warning signs for both parties ahead of november. plus, the white house is set to announce one of the nation's largest investments in domestic computer chip production. we'll take a look at how it could impact the economy as well as president biden's re-election bid as had travels through key swing states in the southwest. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morningoe j" is coming ri back

kate or someone that looks kind of like her was spts spotted grocery shopping with prince william or someone that resembles prince william. kate has not been seen since january which led to whereabouts about her well being, everyone putting together clues to find the princess. an international game of zelda happening right now. i bet maybe she got a bad perm and is waiting for her hair to grow out. this shows you how different it is in the uk. kate goes missing for a few weeks. the whole country goes berserk. we haven't seen melania since 2021. welcome back to "morning joe." jonathan lemire and jen palmieri are with us and joining the conversation we have jen's co-host nbc news and political analyst former u.s. senator claire mmccaskill, she and jen are co-hosts of the msnbc

podcast "how to win 2024." and long-time republican strategist and nbc news political analyst mike murphy. back on "morning joe." it is so good to see you, mike. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> yeah. great to have you. let's start with our pop story this hour, both president biden and former president trump easily swept up more dwell delegates in last night's primary races. it's worth noting the warning signs continue for both campaigns. in florida roughly 200,000 republican voters cast ballots for nikki haley or governor ron desantis, instead of donald trump, despite both of them dropping out of the presidential race. ohio saw similar results with another 200,000 gop voters choosing haley or desantis over trump. when it comes to the biden campaign 10% of voters in

kansas, chose none of the names shown instead of voting for the president. in ohio about 13% of democratic voters cast a ballot for dean phillips who suspended his campaign earlier this month. oh, what a great panel we have for this question. so mike murphy, i'll start with you. what do you make of these specific voters and the dangers for both campaigns moving into the general election? >> well, it is something. i'll start with the republican side where the ghost of a candidacy can do one out of eight voters, you know, that's a pretty clear signal that there is a small, but not insignificant sliver of the republican party that would like to have, you know, a ghost rather than donald trump. that would concern me a bit if i'm trump campaign. donald trump he is a superman in the primary, we saw it in ohio where his candidate bernie

moreno won big despite polls showing it neck and neck. what happens when you get out of the primary electorate into the general election. for biden he has mild opponent there, so i don't think his problems are quite as bad as trump's. neither of these guys are hitting home runs so to speak with locking up their entire party base. >> claire, i want to ask you about kansas and turnout as opposed to for this president as opposed to whoever else they voted for, dean -- none. none of the names shown you what they chose. i mean, with roe, with everything this president has done, there's reporting that president biden is extremely frustrated that his message isn't getting out there. what more does the campaign need to do to show the accomplishments of this administration, which you would think, given the alternatives

would speak for themselves? >> well, first of all, it's contrast, contrast, contrast. second of all -- >> there was contrast -- >> i'm not worried about -- there wasn't, though, mika, because everyone knows in kansas that joe biden is the nominee. there was nothing to be decided in the democratic primary in kansas. that's not a motivating factor. they didn't have a choice between donald trump and joe biden. and let's just put a little bit of context on these numbers against joe biden. barack obama had more people voting against him in the primaries in 2012 than joe biden has had against him. it really is -- i mean this is part of being an incumbent is there's always going to be a certain number of people that are going to say no, i want somebody different. i want somebody new. i don't think -- his numbers have been stronger than donald

trump's in every primary state that has voted, and my colleague is correct, my republican colleague, remember, primary voters are much different than general election voters, and when it comes to those votes that are going to decide this election, that's where joe biden has to do the contrast of his record versus trump, more importantly, his normalcy versus looney tunes. >> i guess, jonathan lemire, just a question maybe in the minds of some, and definitely in president biden, it's like why would you make a conscious choice to choose none of the names to go in there and make that choice, when we're about to have adrienne elrod on who will talk about an $8.5 billion investment into the economy? the list is, whether you agree or not with his policies, whether you're a democrat or a republican, the list historic, and it seems like often there's

many other loud things happening from donald trump's legal woes to disinformation to networks that don't cover joe biden at all when it comes to anything that he's accomplished? i don't know. it seems frustrating for those who see the accomplishments and want them seen by others in a situation like this to see voters making this conscious choice against joe biden even though they may not vote for trump. >> a primary that is wrapped up already is a place to lodge a protest vote, get your voice heard and come back to the fold in november. that might be part of this. i think we shouldn't underestimate there is unhappiness among democrats towards this administration because of the policy in gaza, i think that's front of minds for a lot of people right now, but also jen, there are some democrats who sort of approve of the job that biden has done to this point, but don't want him to run again. that is simply polls show that.

they just don't. the biden campaign as you know believes what those people realize even if they don't like it, there's a binary choice between trump and biden and maybe they don't realize it until summer or fall they will come back and vote president biden. my question, what would your message be to those voters who they're not going to break for trump but they could stay home or go to a third-party candidate and there are a few at least for now, polling fairly well as far as third-party candidates? how do you bring those people back? >> you have to do the direct contrast. when the president went to the border and donald trump followed him to the border that broke through and people heard for the first time joe biden has done a lot on the border, oh, donald trump didn't fix this problem, oh, donald trump stood in the way of this problem getting solved. he told people in his party to kill a bipartisan bill, right.

so when biden is in direct conflict with trump, he's able to -- his accomplishments are able to break through as well as the contrast, right. i think that you have to look for opportunities where you're able to make the direct contrast on your record on the economy, your record on guns, your record on abortion, things that jan 6 protecting democracy, things that are to biden's favor but might not be breaking through at the level that you would like to see. it's march. people aren't paying attention still. that's part of the deal with the accomplishments. prices being higher still incumbers biden. with the third-party candidates it's a good option right now if you're unhappy i'm going to vote for a third party. we will have eight months of

messages, liz smith at the dnc, she's going to be working on rfk jr. and other third-party candidates, that is a very effective person to be helping you to define the choice, but then you will get eight months of messaging how a vote for these candidates is a vote for donald trump. at the end of the process people will understand that's the choices and they're going to back biden. >> it's funny, much of the kennedy family was at the white house recently and i was like why are they clapping hard for themselves, that seems rather -- and then i was like oh, oh, i get it. okay. all right. we're going to come back to this. but in the closely watched republican u.s. senate race in ohio, nbc news projects trump backed bernie moreno has won the gop primary in the buckeye state. moreno beat out two other candidates by a considerable margin. state senator matt dolan who was

endorsed by ohio governor mike dewine and ohio secretary of state frank la rose. moreno is a former car dealer and blockchain entrepreneur, endorsed by donald trump back in december. moreno will now face incumbent democratic senator sherrod brown in november and senator brown joins us now. good morning, senator. thank you for being on the show. what do you make of your competitor an start right now, what's the contrast? >> the contrast is pretty clear. my record is clear to reach across the aisle and get things done, whether the pact act, chips act, fighting fentanyl at the border and sanctioning china and mexico and keeping the stuff out of our country and out of our streets. my opponent is always looked out for himself. he's even said he's not going to work with people he disagrees with in washington which means he's not fighting for ohio or representing ohio. the best example of that is even

though ohio passed abortion rights constitutional amendment by 13 points last fall, my opponent continues to say a national abortion ban, no exceptions for rape, no exceptions for life of the mother, and so we know that he -- i mean the arrogance of even though we set that by 13 points in the state he's going to fight against it. he's looking out for himself more than the people of ohio. >> claire mmccaskill, jump in. >> okay. first, i have to tell you, you look nice this morning. i don't know if connie had a hand in -- your hair is combed, your tie is all neat. >> it's connie. >> this is not the sherrod brown sometimes wandered the halls of the united states senate, so first, that. >> i just got to a haircut. give me a break, claire. >> there you to. >> thank you. >> much more importantly, let's talk about dolan's votes.

let's talk about mike dewine and rob portman going for dolan. i think our listeners ought to know, these two guys that finished one and two, i think combined what did they spend, 40, $50 million of their own money trying to get this nomination. we're talking about two wealthy men who banged around one with dewine in portman and the other with trump. what do the dolan voters do? do you have a chance of getting those dolan voters? >> oh, absolutely we do because they -- dolan ran a campaign like dewine like portman would run. i spoke to dewine and the governor three days ago working together on helping the victims that lost -- three people died and a lot of people lost their businesses and their homes in northwest in logan county, talked to the governor about that. he's somebody who wants to get things done. as rob portman was. i teamed up with portman on all kinds of things, the paterson

bridge of dayton and what we've done over the cuyahoga in akron, nasa glen and other things. we teamed up together. that's the kind of public official he has been, and i am, how do you get things done for ohio. that's why i do 50 roundtables about the pact act. named after an ohio veteran that helps them will make sure that tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of veterans exposed to the football field sized burn pits get care. i know the two of them, they didn't say this to me, they're disturbed that the senator, the candidate running this year is about himself and his ideology, not about things for ohio. not about putting ohio first as i've done and you did in missouri for 12 years, claire. >> senator, it's jen palmieri. good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> so your state has voted for trump twice, may do a third time but passed the abortion rights

amendment last year by a big margin. what did that vote teach you, you all learned from, show you about the state of politics in ohio and how do you -- what do you expect this issue to play a role in your race? >> yeah. i'm not a pundit in thinking about how do you specifically -- these line up. in the end it's standing up for people and fighting for ohio. jen, you said early in the show before i got on, talk about constituent service. we do it better in ohio. j.d. vance told me that, my office does. i have a terrific office that -- because it's the building blocks of government. somebody calls about a social security check, somebody calls about his mother on medicaid. somebody calls about something that happens and we -- norfolk southern is essentially banned in communities around ohio when they have a problem with they're not maintaining their tracks and bridges all those things. we go to bat for them. that's sort of the basic

building block of government and why we win. we figure out what kind of problems do you have and might be an individual medicaid situation or medicare situation and might be a tax issue. we have to call the irs. you also look at a community. akron just got designated one of only 11 communities in the country as a tech hub because of their leadership in tires and then polymers. we had an announcement today the only one of its kind, the only chip factory that's being built east of the mississippi, a big investment from the federal government. we announced it this morning with the department of commerce. we're doing things whether it's one person at a time or whether it's communities or the whole state. if you do the kinds of outreach around the state, i've done -- i said 40 some roundtables on the pact act, 500 around the state, i learn things. that's where i got the idea with the pact act. that's where i got the idea on the pension issue and all those things you fight for. that's my view of government and

why i'm going to win. because you contrast that with a guy that's just out for himself, that wants to override the state's decisive voter abortion rights thinking politicians should do it and not women and their doctors it's clear who wins in the end. >> democratic senator sherrod brown with a hat tip to connie of ohio, thank you very much for being on this month. >> thanks as always. to this news, president biden is in arizona today to announce a massive $8.5 billion with a "b" dollar agreement with tech giant intel. the investment through the president's clips and science act is said to create tens of thousands of jobs across the country. biden will be joined by commerce secretary gina raimondo who spoke about the importance of the legislation. >> everything is powered by semiconductor, windshield wipers, phones, pacemakers,

pretty much every piece of military equipment, they're everywhere and everything fundamental to our lives. from the moment you wake up in the morning to the moment you go to bed. but now on top of all of that there has been a game changer in demand for leading semiconductor chips. you know what it is. ai. it takes tens of thousands of leading edge semiconductor chips to train a single large language model. the truth of it is, ai will be the defining technology of our generation. you can't lead in ai if you don't lead in making leading edge chips. so our work in implementing the chips act just got a whole lot more important. >> and this is why we've brought in adrienne elrod, because she worked for gina raimondo as the chips lady.

explaining the chips and science act. this investment specifically, adrienne, what will it mean for the u.s. economy initially and long term? >> yeah. mika, it's hard to really underestimate how important today's announcement is. it's huge. this is an $8.5 billion investment in intel. this investment today that president biden is announcing in arizona will unlock $100 billion that intel will be investing in the united states in terms of leading edge logic domestic production over the next ten years. what's happening is there's four fabs being constructed in arizona, new mexico, oregon, and i'm blanking on the other state, ohio, where senator brown was. what's happening intel is building the fabs and they are going to be manufacturing from start to finish, a chip doesn't have to travel around the world to become a semiconductor, from start to finish going to manufacture here in the united states leading edge logic chips. this is a big deal because as

secretary raimondo was saying we need these logic chips to power ai. if america is going to be a global leader in artificial intelligence, we have to produce these chips here at home. right now, mika, we produce 0% of the chips. by the end of this decade, secretary raimondo and president biden made it clear we want to at least produce 20% of those chips. this is going to get us there. this is a huge deal. i actually think, mika, when we look back at president biden's legacy, this may be the chips and science act implementation may be one of the top accomplishments of his administration because of the long-term effects this is going to have on america's economy and the fight for global market share of ai production and also by the way, this is going to create 30,000 jobs, 10,000 of those will be in manufacturing jobs, 20,000 construction, and again, this $8.5 billion investment, is making in intel

will catalyze what intel is investing in their domestic manufacturing. >> being able to do this here in the united states that's a supply chain issue, that's a national security issue. it's an economic issue as you mentioned with the jobs and, of course, it is a political issue. it should be noted of the four states where this is occurring, president biden chose to announce it in arizona which is a battleground this november. talk to us about that if you will, the pitch here this is part of -- that arizona was close last time, the president was able to swing it. aides say it's probably going to be tougher this time around. talk about the politics of arizona which includes a real focus on the latino vote. >> absolutely. arizona happens to be one of the largest chip producing states in the country. you have a lot of tsmc building two huge fabs there, intel building out a fab. there is a reason beyond politics to invest there and

talk about why president biden is going there. there is a reason for that. yes, arizona is a critically important state, and here is a president going to the state saying not only, you know, did i say that i was going to, you know, create more jobs as president, but i'm delivering on that promise. i'm going into the state talk about the jobs act and creating -- and again, arizona is a huge technology hub on a number of fronts, but when it comes to being the next -- making sure the united states can be the next leader in semiconductor production a lot is happening in arizona. it happens to be an ancillary benefit of president biden's work and his work to make sure he's creating jobs and we are getting the u.s. on track to be a leader in global semiconductor production. it just happens to be that arizona is one of those states that has been leading on that and because of what president biden is doing, he's catalyzing that investment in arizona through the chips and science act. >> adrienne, what comes next in

this project? you have the -- they're announcing it, this is going to be under way, what kind of timeline is it? what kind of timeline is it on? the kind of details that will matter for voters, particularly between now and, you know, november? >> yeah. it's a great question, because, of course, some of these investments that we're making in the semiconductor manufacturing base here in the united states, some of those jobs will be immediate. some of them will not come until later on. in terms of the very near future, a lot of these construction jobs that are being created are new jobs. when you see these large-scale fabs being built out -- a fab, pardon my acronyms here, a fab is a factory where you make semiconductors, tsmc in arizona, intel in arizona, intel in ohio, samsung in texas, there's so much capacity that is being created right now to build chips and that capacity is adding more construction jobs to the labor

force, and i think something that's really important, jen, to focus on here, is that president biden with his leadership is really reimagining what industrial policy looks like. president biden always talks about having a job with dignity, a job that you can really invest your time in and you feel good about what you're doing at the end of the day. because of the manufacturing loss of jobs over the past, you know, decade or two in the united states, a lot of people are working in jobs where their skills not being fully utilized or working in jobs that maybe they were working at an auto plant and now working at a department store. so what we're looking at here is getting people back into jobs, where skills can be effectively utilized and these are good paying jobs. a lot of these jobs don't require a college degree. a lot of them require a little bit of job training. so i think again, when you look at the long-term benefits here, this is going to be one of president biden's biggest legacies and get people back to work in jobs they can be excited

about. >> adrienne elrod, thank you so much for filling us in on this. thank you. >> okay. conservative writer david fromme has a piece from "the atlantic" entitled "the ego has crash landed", and he writes in part this, "donald trump won't accept the classic approach to running a challenger's campaign. he should want to make 2024 a simple referendum on the incumbent, but physically, he needs to make the election a referendum on himself. that need is self-sabotaging. in two consecutive elections, 2016 and 2020, more americans voted against trump than for him. the only hope he has of changing that verdict in 2024 is by directing american's attention away from himself and convincing them to like biden less than they like trump. that strategy would involve

trump mainly keeping his mouth shut and his face off television, and that trump cannot abide. trump cannot control himself. he cannot accept that more americans hear from trump, the more they will prefer biden. the subjects that won't get him elected to anything are the subjects that he is most determined to talk about." mike murphy, it's interesting, after hearing from adrienne on the very latest accomplishments by president biden, who has a lot to brag about, whether you agree with his policies or not, a lot of things to brag about his accomplishments and himself and sometimes it seems he can't get the attention on himself because trump literally devours all the attention in the room, and i just wonder about the piece i just read, because i think he takes a negative and turns it into a positive for

himself because a lot of the voters that follow him or republican leaders in congress, i would say, they're not uninformed but may have moral bankruptcy issues, but some voters might be uninformed and like trump and like seeing how he takes all the oxygen out of the room. what do you think? >> well, you know, one, i agree with the premise on the chips thing. they should sell that every day. >> every day. >> it's the issue -- the other one that doesn't get enough attention is electric vehicles. 68% of the electoral votes from -- that are cast by swing states are from states that have had massive investment in ev manufacturing. that's another one if we don't compete the chinese will own the world market. if they do it, this century will not be great for us economically. i think he's on to something, but there's another side to it

that is a problem. >> yeah. >> the country, we're in a bizarre land right now. the country doesn't like donald trump. but the democrats have nominated the one candidate that even trump could beat and conversely, the republicans with trump have the one candidate even opinion can beat because they both have terrible numbers. the country wants to fire joe biden. so the fun part of the biden democratic work is thinking of all the problems with trump and pounding on him because he gives you ammo every day, he's a clown. but if they don't fix biden -- right now in the polling forget the head-to-head, if you ask people who is better to run the economy of the two candidates they don't like, they pick trump by double digits. biden can't have that in october. the campaign has to be about things like chips and evs and manufacturing jobs. the chip act that trump advantage on the economy, otherwise, the bar to replace biden with trump for voters is pretty low. you remember 80, historically,

oh, movie actor, washed up, worked with chips yet beat jimmy carter because the country wanted to fire the incumbent. >> stop. yes. >> they have to fix biden or all this trump stuff won't be enough. i think tomorrow trump would win. >> i don't agree with everything you said, but i want to hone in, they have to fix biden. what do you mean by that? ultimately, unlike these primaries, the choice is going to be trump or biden, and you don't have to be completely in love with a candidate to vote for them. you're voting often because of the contrast with the other candidate. what more could he do? what more could his campaign do? what fixes him so to speak as you said? >> i give him points for state of the union because they came out swinging. >> big time. >> it's not my idea of a great state of the union, but he's trapped in a world trump traded.

biden. he showed everybody he's alive, sharp, doing fine. the number they got to move, the one thing that's most important is the perception that he's on top of the economy. and i think the mistake they keep making which a lot of incumbents make, it's psychology, just like trump's ego, with biden he wants to tell you things are better than you perceive they are. statistics may say things are great but voters are not economists. they look at the grocery bill, buy the same stuff, costs more. apartment rent, house, truck payment. i think the biden message of motive is effective. trump is on trump's side, i'm on your side. he can't be like everything is doing better, wise up. look at the statistics. we're doing the hard work to make the turn. who do you trust to deliver this for whose side, you the middle class, or himself and his cronies donald trump? they're pushing the economic stuff in the wrong way in my view. break it down not to statistics,

but chip plants, massive new auto plants in georgia, swing state, michigan, key swing state, arizona key swing state, and break it down to stuff people can understand, sell motive and sell we're making great progress. who do you trust to land the plane for you not for corporate cronies. trump will give you the crazy show. on election day if they want to fire the president, that's having doubts about the challenge. that was 1980. >> we'll be watching the president today as he makes this announcement. long-time republican strategist mike murphy, thank you. good to see you. come back soon. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," the house oversight committee will hold a hearing today related to the ongoing biden impeachment probe. like a dog with a bone. won't let go. they won't let go. we'll talk to a member of that committee, democratic congressman dan goldman about

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call lev parnas, remember him and indicted associate of rudy giuliani, to appear, two of hunter biden's former business partners are scheduled to appear as witnesses for republicans. the president's son to testify but declined citing his previous court appearances and the fact that republicans are not called witnesses like jared kushner to testify about his business dealings during the trump administration. joining us now, democratic member of the house oversight committee congressman dan goldman of new york, the lead counsel in the first impeachment of former president trump which was actually about something and i have to ask you, dan, i mean, jared's saudi money, ivanka got patents fast tracked from china while her father was president. doesn't hunter have a point here? >> of course. hunter biden has never worked

for the united states government and has never been in any business deals with directly with a foreign government. on the flip side you have jared kushner who received $2 billion from the saudi government for a business that he had never -- had no experience ever running before, right after he certainly catered to saudi arabia as the head of middle east policy for the white house. you mentioned ivanka trump. the joke of this, this hearing is called influence peddling, and there's no evidence that hunter biden did anything to ped l any official influence or action. on the flip side, jared kushner, ivanka trump, the other trumps, donald trump himself, with $8 million of profits while he was president from foreign governments, that influence peddling and even chairman comer in the interview with hunter

biden said when we get to peddling we will investigate jared kushner yet we will not see jared kushner today. >> you won't. to my point, jonathan lemire, it's not just jared and the saudi money and ivanka and her patents and businesses and clothing lines or whatever, but the other kids. i mean, there's so much influence peddling going on, where to begin. some of them have many media empires spreading disinformation. lara trump at the rnc. where do we begin when it comes to the questions about abuse of power and influence peddling. here you have hunter who has made mistakes, absolutely used bad judgment, who says that himself, who wrote about it in a book, we know all about this. he wrote about it. the way these republicans keep beating this dead horse when other things are just not getting done, it's exhausting.

>> yeah. and influence peddling beyond the children. while donald trump was president and his hotel down the street on pennsylvania avenue, foreign governments would rent out suites of rooms to basically buy influence and questions about the immol lieu wents clause and where donald trump may get money to for his bond trial in new york. talking about balusky and another man appearing from prison because he's serving a 14-year sentence for a fraud conviction. the white house made it clear it is time to wrap this up. we have a forceful letter from the counsel's office. what is your sense as to timetable? is this going to whimper out or will republicans keep going? >> it's really shocking that we're having this hearing today. you have a discredited and angry

witness who have an ax to grind against the bidens. tony knew hunter biden about two months and tried to engage in a business that ultimately failed during 2017 when joe biden was not in office and you have jason who is in jail for 16 years for two different massive fraud schemes. part of the crime family. his father went to jail for 27 years for fraud in the 1980s. these are incredibly discredited witnesses who are clearly motivated by some degree of revenge, and what i expect we will show today is that there is absolutely no merit to anything that they are trying to say. but it's more serious than that. it's not just a joke. it's not just embarrassing for the republicans.

this hearing and this impeachment investigation is a gross abuse of congressional power. we know that their central allegation was peddled through an fbi source by russian intelligence, that they have now glommed on to and more that they continue with this investigation, the more they are doing the bidding of russia to try to med l in our elections. the democrats will have lev parnas today who was one of the ones who concocted these schemes with rudy giuliani. he has written a letter to chairman comer almost a year ago explaining why all of these allegations are totally bogus. chairman comer chose to ignore that testimony and rely on the russian asset fbi source who had -- with no corroboration. this is a phishing expedition that is continuing and it's far

more serious especially when you look at the needs that we have around the world, supporting ukraine, supporting israel, supporting the palestinian citizens in gaza, trying to fund the government now almost half of the year into the year-long budget. it's embarrassing that nothing is getting done by the republicans except they keep going with this partisan election meddling and interference using the official authority of congress. >> democratic member of the house oversight committee, congressman dan goldman, thank you very much for coming on and thank you for your service. we appreciate it. i know it can be frustrating. claire mccaskill, what do you make of this? how long does this go on? when do republican voters see the charade that is happening on capitol hill? can they see the fact that there was a border bill and it's gone now because of them and donald

trump? or are they buying in to this biden crime family literally being made up in some cases out of thin air by comber? >> well, certainly i think there's about 30% of the country that has bought into this, but that's not enough to get anybody elected president. frankly, it's not enough for the members of congress who are republicans who got elected from joe biden districts, they don't have the votes for this impeachment. it's pretty obvious they don't have the votes for an impeachment. that is going to be clear whether they like it or not, and the longer they drag on this ridiculous clown show, worse it makes them look to the voters that will decide the election in november. and that's what i don't get. these guys get so wrapped up in their bubble of maga and, you know, anything we can do to make biden look bad, makes trump happy and, therefore, we've got to do it that they lose sight of

the voters that will make a difference. for most voters they see that there is no, there there, and this is just another example of hypocrisy, especially when it comes to jared kushner and his $2 billion, who by the way, won't even lend his father-in-law a billion of it so he can -- >> what is that? >> he can appeal his case. >> why won't he do that? jen palmieri, why won't jared help his father-in-law? is there a rift? he made $2 billion. >> yeah. >> it's not like he can't just fork over the saudi money to help trump pay off his judgment. i mean, my god, that would be just perfect. wouldn't it? full circle corruption. >> that's great solution, mika. when i heard that dan goldman was coming on the show to talk about the impeachment hearing. impeaching who? i thought they had put the biden thing behind them when it was revealed that a russian agent was their main source.

i really, even these people, i thought that they had -- i thought they had moved on. but one thing we haven't talked about and wanted to ask dan goldman about, is the re-emergens of paul manafort at a time to, you know, trump said he might -- that paul manafort might come back to run the republican convention or have a role. someone who just came out of jail recently. somebody who has close ties to russia at a time where donald trump is -- has to get half a billion dollars by monday that all of a sudden this guy is back on the scene. >> claire? >> yeah. listen, he's back on the scene and, you know, first of all, trump's going to have trouble finding people that were part of his first administration that haven't been to prison or those who have said no, we don't want to have anything to do with you. he has a vice president and very high ranking cabinet officials

saying nope, nope, not donald trump. he's not the guy. so am i shocked that paul manafort is being brought back in, the guy who was besties with putin even before trump was? i'm not surprised at all. >> there you go. by the way, this right here, is the analysis that you will get on how to win 2024, the podcast, with jen palmieri and the great claire mccaskill. tune in for that wherever you get your podcasts. thanks, guys. coming up on "morning joe" -- >> as a great fan of the work of mark duane i was so sorry when i recently learned he was dead. my thoughts and prayers go out to the whole twain family. >> that was julia louis-dreyfus years ago during the ceremony for the mark twain prize for american humor that recognizes

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to receive such an honor and how i vow to take very special care of it. >> this is very encouraging. i mean, it was a long time in coming, but -- >> usually when people have evenings like this, a person is really, really old when they get this award. >> is it wrong that i kind of wish this could have been presented paus tuplly. >> my thoughts and prayers go out to the wonderful twain

family, especially shania. >> that was acceptance speeches from the mark twain prize, and the prize will be awarded to kevin hart, and the entire ceremony set to air on netflix. the author of the memoire, entitled the man who made mark twain famous: stories from the kennedy center, the white house and other comedy venues. an updated version is now out on paperback. it's great to have you with us today. we should not just talk about the winner of this year but the value of humor and what makes this award so important, especially today with the division that we are seeing in

this country. >> thank you, mika, for having me. it's so important. i mean, that's one of the reasons the kennedy center created the award for national humor, and it's important every once in a while to say thank you to the people that bring us joy and laughter, and so we are very fortunate to have 25 years, and it was a very rocky start and it's now one of the corner stones of the kennedy center, and we are pleased kevin hart with the next honoree. >> you write in part this, the first toaster of the night was jimmy kimmel, and he said, pappy, thank you, that was a introduction. after he finished, i said, i am

cappy, like a baseball cap. big mistake. and it became the running gag of the evening to butcher my name in as many ways possible, nappy, happy, pappy, you name it, on and on. the last toaster of the night, david letterman, gave me credit. he looked me in the eyes and said, i don't know who you are, but you are doing a helluva good job. it has turned out to be quite a go-to event every year, despite the name issue for you. >> mika, thank you very much. we call it the night before instead of the rehearsal dinner, and we also honored billy crystal on our tenth anniversary

at the supreme court as well. it's a fun occasion because people get together and honor and make tribute and are hysterically funny for these honorees. you showed earlier tina fey, when she accepted the mark twain prize her mother and father were sitting in the family booth, and she said i understand people that are funny had a difficult childhood, and then she looked up and paused and said, what did you animals do to me? we have a great lineup honoring kevin hart. we have jerry seinfeld, chris rock, and it's a huge lineup. kevin has got movies, tv, and i think he's on 9 out of every 10 commercials today, so we are

excited about honoring kevin. >> so cappy, and i got your name right here. tell us why kevin hart? why is he the man this time around? >> he's got a great movie career, and there's a handful of comedians that break through and he's one of them. we are very happy to have him being honored. >> just tell us -- it's an impossible question to get you to narrow down one quick story, but tell us one more thing that will leave people laughing? >> one of the great moments was bringing eddie murphy into the oval office when obama was president, and he said all i have to do is make people laugh,

and the president looked at me and said, cappy, i am funny, aren't i? i said, yes, you are very funny, and we went to the situation room, and all the kids got up to see eddie, and he said please sit down, i don't want the world to be on fire and i will come around and take a picture with every one of you, and it was a great thing. and there was a public service announcement and had a putting tournament with the president, and bill murray won 5 out of 0. jon stewart, he had really funny things happen when we honored him. it has been a wonderful, wonderful 25 years. >> in the book you explain why the award is more important now than ever before in today's

political climate, and you write in part this, in the years since we started the mark twain prize, its necessity has become clearer and clearer, with every election cycle the country gets more divided and the political discourse gets nastier, and faith in our political institutions fades a little more. i believe that humor is a key tool in our fight against these disturbing trends. if you can get people to laugh with each other and themselves, they will see each other as human and be that much closer to common ground. i couldn't agree more. the book is entitled "the man who made mark twain famous." it's out now in paperback. author and founder of the mark twain prize for american humor, thank you so much for being on this morning. >> i appreciate it. still ahead, we will have expert legal analysis on the

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trump is bringing back all the worst best people. you remember paul manafort, his former campaign manager that was convicted of multiple felonies, and he was pardoned by trump and now trump wants manafort to oversee the republican party

convention, and he healed up, and who better to run your election campaign than a man not allowed to vote in that election. welcome to "morning joe." it's march 20th. we have a lot to get to this morning including donald trump's legal team taking the absolute immunity claim to the supreme court. it comes as the former president could be days away from losing his assets in new york because he can't pay the bond for the civil fraud judgment against him. where is he going to get the money? meanwhile a senior adviser in the trump white house is waking up in prison this morning behind bars. we will dig into all of that. we will have expert legal analysis for you on all the trump legal dealings. with us, we have host of "way too early," jonathan lemire, and

jennifer palmieri, co-host of the msnbc podcast with claire on how to win 2024, and deputy managing editor for politics at politico, sam stein with us this morning. we begin with the race in ohio. nbc news projected trump-backed bernie moreno in ohio, and dolan who was endorsed by the ohio governor and secretary of state. moreno is a former car dealer, and he was endorsed by donald trump back in december. his win reflects trump's ability to influence the outcome of contested republican primaries. moreno will now face incumbent

democratic senator, sherrod brown, in november. i know some democrats think it's a good outcome, and i am always leery of gaming things out -- >> same. >> -- and it never works when it matters, but i wonder if this is a good race for sherrod brown to run? >> the brown team has been preparing for this. you know, they were out for a video defining him last night, and this is who he is and where he is on women's rights and abortion rights. ohio, biden and clinton lost there, and obama was the last democrat to win there, and brown was able to hang on.

tim ryan ran a great race in the senate two years ago and he ended up losing, and tim ryan had never ran statewide before. and brown is incredible on things like constituent services, and people are used to voting for him. i feel like if anybody has a chance to hang on in a state like ohio, it's sherrod brown. and mike dewine, mainstream republican and not a trump republican, and it's the midwestern establishment republican party that does well there, so we feel like sherrod brown has a great chance. >> united states will remain committed to nato as long as

european countries pay up. >> if they start to pay their bills properly, and places like poland are defended and will america be there. >> i think america should pay their fair share, not everybody's fair share. >> yes. >> we have an ocean in between some problems, okay? we have a nice, big, beautiful ocean, and it's more important for them. they took advantage of us on trade and took advantage -- >> if they start to play fair, america is there? >> yes, 100%. 100%. >> okay. let's talk about that nice, big, beautiful ocean. joining us, retired four-star

admiral. i suppose trump getting to 100% committal to nato is a positive development, and it's always about the money. what is your reaction and the analysis that seems rather -- rather -- what is the word? simple. >> hey, there's nothing an admiral likes better than talking about a big, beautiful ocean, and let's talk about a big, beautiful chunk of money which is what europeans spend on defense. if you listen to donald trump, the other 100% he threw out there, nato is funded 90% or maybe 100% by the united states, and that's ridiculous. can we do the actual numbers. the united states defense budget is $850 billion, and that's because we have global

responsibilities we take on ourselves, and the chinese defense budget is $250 billion, and the russian defense budget is about $90 billion. the europeans pay $380 billion for defense, mika. your dad would have known this well. the second largest defense budget in the world is by far europe collectively when you add it all up. now, the second point, the europeans have stood and delivered and fought alongside as i commanded 50,000 europeans troops in afghanistan. they were never attacked from afghanistan. we were. article 5 of the treaty was enacted and the europeans came with us and i signed hundreds and hundreds of letters of condolences to european families of their servicemen and women

who fell in afghanistan with us. third and finally, let's take on the 2% idea. here donald trump is correct that the europeans, not all of them, spend 2% of their gdp on defense. they need to get to that target. about two-thirds of them have done so. the pressure being put on them to conclude, is actually not from donald trump. the reason european defense spending is rise something because of the greatest nato salesman in the history of the treaty, and his name is vladimir putin. >> admiral, just -- you know, trump space, his followers, they will hear the false logic he puts together, and they will say, yes, they need to pay because we protect them. i have been watching this

turning point documentary, and as a reminder, you mentioned my dad, of just what it took to put nato together, and why nato, the alliance was created, and why it's almost vital to the world security and how easily these alliances can fall apart. can you talk about that and what trump is doing almost looks like history on repeat? >> extraordinarily it does. if we can go back to the big, beautiful ocean for a second. in the 1930s, the united states believes the big beautiful oceans to the left and the right, the pacific and the atlantic, would keep us safe. how did that work out? not very well. when the empire swept across asia. eventually the world reaches out and finds you, and isolatism is

not good, and we are in repeat, and instead of the nazis invading poland, it's vladimir putin invading ukraine. he won't stop there. i have met putin and i know him, and he will continue until he's stopped. nato is crucial to all of that. we would be epically foolish geopolitically to with draw from the nato alliance. >> and my brother last week said it's 1939 all over again, and he's in poland, and as far as history repeating itself, donald trump is standing by his claim that all jewish americans that

vote for democrats hate their religion and israel. speaking to voters while casting a primary ballot for himself yesterday, the nominee followed up on his comments from monday. here are his initial remarks followed up by what he said yesterday. >> why do democrats hate netanyahu? >> i actually think they hate israel. i don't think they hate -- i think they hate israel. when you see the palestinian marches, i'm amazed at how many people are in those marches, and i think it's votes more than anything else. he's very anti-israel now. any jewish person that votes for democrats hates their religion and hate everything about israel and they should be ashamed of themselves. i think the democrats have been

very, very opposed to jewish people, that's true, and to israel. you have to look at schumer, and it's a disgrace. >> senate majority leader, chuck schumer, condemned trump's comments, and we also heard reaction from a number of senate republicans. >> the former president's comments were utterly disgusting and a textbook example of the kind of anti-semitism. to say you hate israel or your religion because you have one political view over the other, it's sick. it's hateful. it's unadulterated anti-semitism. >> that's highly offensive. we do not in this country attack people based on their religious

beliefs or political views. it's a terrible mistake on his part on which he should apologize for. >> president trump chooses words i wouldn't choose -- >> the biden administration is not holding hamas accountable. >> i guess i preto keep people's religious faith out of these discussions, but, like i said, these guys are going to litigate -- >> disgusting, hateful, offensive, deeply disturbing. listen, it's time -- it's not hyperbole or exaggeration, but i would say it's time to start looking at donald trump for the danger he is, and looking at the history from 1939 to the present

of how it happens. jonathan lemire, if you read books on fascism and dictatorships and how it happens, there are through lines happening here in america, and the choice is real. for people that like democracy, this is a frightening moment. >> yeah, there are dark, ominous parallels here, the language trump uses and it's parroted by his supporters, and as schumer said, it's deeply offensive. you can support the state of israel and have disagreements with it. you can support the state of israel and disagree with that. you don't have to be a republican. and sam stein, it's the usual collection of responses from the gop, and mitt romney, good for

him, and others say i have not seen it or can't comment on it, and others back him up and agree with what is deeply offensive, not just for jewish people but for anybody that loves democracy. >> yeah, i think the word you used, routine, is the appropriate one here because there is something routine about this. it's not just the responses that lawmakers on the hill made, which we have all become very familiar with, those who have not had the time to see the tweet or witness the statement, and those who do, but are more often than not leaving congress because they don't like the politics of it, and the routine of the comments themselves. this is not the first time trump used this trope. he talked about duel loyalty before, and he used that phrase duel loyalty before, and he's questioned how any jewish

american can be critical of the netanyahu government. this is not something that is new. there's a familiarity with that and that we have grown almost accustomed to it, and it becomes a routine, as you pointed out, jonathan, and we don't get bothered by it. that's what the worry is for some folks that say this comment is well beyond the pale and is anti-semitic in nature and should be condemned. >> you and mika were discussing the parallels to the 1930s europe and america, and what strikes me is that time in america this country was led by franklin roosevelt, and we are facing the prospect -- rather than that, there were difficult and certainly forces within the united states that were

isolationists, and -- they were -- isolationists, let's say, but we didn't have january 6th things happen here, and we were not facing the prospect of a leader aligning himself with a leader such as trump aligned with putin, and you look at what that could mean for a trump presidency when you look at the parallels between now and europe in the '30s. >> jen, when asked as i often am, what are the implications of the trump presidency in my wheelhouse, and internationally i get the question constantly from all around the world, and i think the two dangers -- you put

your finger on one, is isolationism. and the 1930s are constructive, we tried that and we rejected the league of nations, the predecessor to the u.n., and we elected massive trade barriers, tariffs, and how did that work out? we cracked the global economy. we were attacked at pearl harbor, and nazi germany, by the way, declared war on us. history will find that isolationism doesn't work. another thing i worry about a lot that you are seeing here, is the unpredictability and the erratic behavior that bleeds into foreign policy. the world wants stability and guidance and a central set of thoughts from the united states of america, and it's hard to see that from donald trump going

back to what we just talked about, because his comments are not only erratic, but they are incendiary and incredibly divisive. think about how all this is received in moscow, in beijing, in tehran, in caracas, in north korea. those are the big three dangers here, it's the erratic -- it's the isolationism and it's the division of our society, all of those things are causing people to do hi-fives in the nations that oppose us and hate us. a very heavy conversation to have about the big three dangers and the threat from within first thing in the morning, but we need to have it, and we need to face it. we need to notice this every day

and not be numbed by it, because this is -- the risks are high here and they are right in front of us. admiral, thank you very much. the book titled "2054: the novel" is available now. and then next, trump's latest fight on the immunity fight. plus, fox news explains why wealthy republicans are not helping the former president post bond in his new york fraud trial. where are his friends? we will be right back with much more "morning joe."

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trump's lawyer said he asked 30 different insurance companies to help him cover the $464 million, but they all said no. check out how they did it. when trump asked nationwide, they said, hell no, dude, you're on your own. when trump asked liberty mutual, they said, bankruptcy, bankruptcy, bankruptcy. and when he asked farmer's, they said, we aren't suckers. >> that's funny, but my instinct is somebody will, and donald trump is running out of time to secure the appeal bond for his

fraud case, and if he doesn't, new york attorney general, letitia james, could start seizing his assets. his lawyers on monday to ask an appeals court to stop the collection proceedings because they have not found a bond company willing to back trump. according to his lawyers the former president would need to put up $557 million worth of collateral. as "the new york times" points out, most of trump's wealth is tied to his real estate assets, which bond companies will not accept as collateral. yesterday, it was explained why trump's billionaire friends are yet to help him out. >> what is kind their reluctance? >> as of now -- >> are they afraid they may not see it anytime soon, even if he

succeeds on appeal? >> that's one thing. i don't want to speak for bernie marcus, that's for sure, and donald trump doesn't have a great record of paying back banks over the years, so you can surmise from that what you will. >> joining us, msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos, and andrew weissman, co-author of the new book on the trump indictments. i would think a judgment in a civil trial finding the defendant liable means the consequences he has to pay with his own money, and that's pay the consequence. are there rules around who pays the judgments or can anybody jump in and bail him out and is trump going to get some political supporter, perhaps,

that could help him? >> anybody can jump in, to answer your question. >> really? >> there's no restriction on getting a friend -- it can be an american or somebody overseas, and anybody can come in. so far that has not happened. i think one thing we learned is donald trump simply, in spite of what he has been telling the public, does not have the money. his story is that he does not have liquid assets, he does not have cash to put up to satisfy the bond, and the bond is typical, that's a standard thing. his claim that he can't do that because all of his real assets are in real estate, that doesn't make sense. if he had real estate with equity in it, he would do what many homeowners do, which is get a mortgage and use that money to put up the bond.

he clearly does not have equity in either cash or in the real estate to put up the amount of money, so i think on monday, absent the court lowering the amount or somehow staying the bond requirement, we are going to be seeing tish james seizing assets. >> i don't believe it. >> here's the thing -- here's the thing on seizing assets. andrew is exactly right, but the challenge here is actually what that looks like. this is why ordinarily plaintiff's attorneys and private firms are not fans of being able to seize assets, but they like to go after a company insured. most attorneys are not that interested in the trouble of seizing assets. it's not fun or easy, and i

imagine donald trump protected himself with layers and layers we have not seen yet that james may not even know about. it is not as simple as freezing assets and walking in with a giant padlock to one of the trump buildings and getting that money within a week. most plaintiff's attorneys are not that interested in seizing assets. >> what are the chances he doesn't have somebody come up with the money and get away with everything else he seems to be getting away with -- seems to be, and i know the legal process moves slowly, and they don't listen to us, but kushner walked away from saudi arabia with money, and i think he has access

to the money. >> that's everybody's national security concern is that there will be somebody, hypothetically, like an elon musk here in the united states, or even maybe equally or a more scary way, a russian oligarch will think this is a good investment because if he becomes president there will be 464 million reasons why donald trump will favor that person in terms of his policies, so i agree with you, i think that his, you know, best strategy, his best exit strategy says -- the best strategy is to find that third party even if it's a foreigner who will loan him the money. >> we need to continue this

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i am the first senior white house adviser in the history of our republic that has ever been charged with this alleged crime. i say alleged because for hundreds of years, this has not been a crime. executive privilege goes back to

george washington and his remarks to the congress regarding the j treaty, and he said simply and clearly and he said i cannot command you to come to me, and you cannot command me to come to you. >> he will be reporting to that prison at 2:00 p.m. eastern time there in miami to serve his four-month prison sentence. he began by saying this is not about me, but it's about a crippling blow to the justice department, and it's no longer an alleged crime, and he obviously has been convicted and there's no evidence that would have been excluded him per executive privilege, and so he

refused to appeal his conviction, navarro, for refusing to testify -- >> fox news anchor, sandra smith, interrupting former trump adviser, peter navarro's press conference, with a fact check. he is starting a four-month sentence after being found guilty of violating a subpoena. guys, navarro goes to jail, and manafort goes to jail, and january 6th rioters inspired by donald trump goes to jail for years. i want to bring up the documents case, and how that is going and -- wow, the decision-making

and the lack of organization on the part of the judge there appointed by trump, just saying, it seems like the only place where donald trump will face consequences, may be, andrew weissmann, you can correct me if i am wrong, could be in the civil cases? >> i agree with you, certainly, and the civil cases, the various new york cases, as we have discussed over half a billion in penalties, and there's a criminal case that is in all likelihood going to start next month in manhattan. the d.a. here, alvin bragg, as brought. you are right, we are seeing signs of the criminal justice system not adhering to normal

rules and the rule of law, whether we are talking about the florida case with judge cannon, which doesn't have any sign that it's going to go to trial before the general election, or donald trump being helped by the supreme courts, let's just say, lackadaisical scheduling of the immunity argument that is not even going to be heard by the court until the third week in april, so there certainly are extensive delays going on in his other criminal cases, which is, you know, unlike what happens to any other defendant who doesn't have sort of the wealth and power of a donald trump. still ahead on "morning joe," the cdc is urging vaccination amid a rise in

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welcome back. in the san francisco bay area, officials are warning about a possible measles exposure at a restaurant over the weekend, days after the cdc issued an alert over the growing number of cases in the u.s. this year 58 cases have been reported nationwide, and that's the same number of cases reported for all of 2023, and that number is expected to rise as families travel for spring break. joining us now, nbc news medical

contributor, dr. van gupta. what do you make of the uptick? >> it's not surprising. we talked about it a few weeks ago, and we expected at the time this number was going to increase and continue to increase because there's now a growing number of parents that have decided not to vaccinate their children. luckily for the country, there's widespread immunity against the measles, because most of the society has been vaccinated, and so a chance of a major outbreak is unlikely, and the fact that we are already talking about this and that number is climbing, already exceeding the 2023 numbers, and we are talking about pediatric cases here, and kids are at the highest risk if they are unvaccinated from the virus. 1 in 5 unvaccinated kids who contract measles end up in the

hospital. so any public health official that is making this voluntary like the surgeon general in florida, that's -- >> are we talking about politics or bottom line is the less people getting vaccinated they need? >> yes, and not just with the measles, but with the flu, and it's a problem that will get worse over time. with the measles, the high hospital rate if you are unvaccinated, it's worry some. we have full screens for your viewers, mika, if we could share that, the ones that don't need a vaccine, if you already know you had two shots, you are protected, and that's important

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at the forbes and know your value summit a few weeks ago, i had the honor of sitting down

with ellen johnson surly, former president of liberia and africa's first female elected head of state. she overcame so many challenges during her presidency. navigating decades of violence and the horrors of war in liberia. stints in jail because of her beliefs. deep seeded miss sonlg any and much more. and she continues to blaze a bath for women leaders. i asked her about the state of women leadership in the u.s. as you know, in the united states, we have never had a woman win for president of the united states. are you surprised by this and what do you think the world would look like if perhaps that was different? >> yes, i am surprised. because you do lead the world. and we sometimes look to you for

leadership in all aspects of international endeavor. that said, the environment in your country is so different. your population, so diverse. so educated. sometimes it is so difficult to focus on what you can be. but i think the examples of women in leadership roles as few they may be is so ex-empeculiarry that you can pick one and find what it takes to be a leader. not only the competence and courage and character, but also the ability to be different, to be sensitive to humankind, to be

the one that supports, consultation, compromise, those things that reduce the tensions and minimize the chance of conflict. >> and we're joined by huma abidene and also maggie mcgrath, she a driving force behind the summit and the partnership. i mean, the former president surly's remarks and her contribution at the summit was amazing. if you could talk a little bit more about what she says about bringing women leaders to the table and impact she's still having in the world. >> you know, mika, she exemplifies why we need more women leaders particularly heads of government. and i'd put this government at the top of the list. when we talked about who we wanted to honor, there was only

one person we targeted and it was ellen johnson surly for this reason. we're talking about celebrating international women's day during a time of conflicts raging around the world. how do we address these conflicts without having conversations about the role women can play in peaceful negotiations. we're still at a time when women's participation is low. and she is an example of success, she talked about compromise and getting to the root cause of the conflicts and go cussing on education. when you look at recent peace negotiations, 0% of the people at the table have been women. in liberia, 20% included women participating. and thatis direct line to her

leadership. so important to remind the world who she is and why we nee more women like her. >> especially with the cross-cultural audience, i think depending on the background and culture each woman came from, they were captivated for many different reasons. maggie, your reflections. >> yes, i think she really told our audience what they needed to hear at this moment in time. we have more than 400 women who are themselves changemakers and leaders. and they have power and influence. but like anyone else they experience doubt and setbacks. and so to see the shining example, the important cannot be understated. i spoke with many who said that they feel more energized and recommitted to their own missions and work after hearing from her. and i think that that is exactly what you and i hoped, that everyone comes away recommitted to the work that they are pursuing.

>> yeah. i also asked her about her take on america's upcoming presidential election. look at this. i hope it is okay to ask this, i'm curious to get your take on the upcoming presidential election in the united states. especially given how women have really been set back in america in a country that is supposed to be leading. >> we in the other part of the global environment look to the united states for leadership. it encourages us, it enables us. we then feel that we have a roadmap of international standards to which we all must comply. and sometimes the pilot is missing. >> i guess what you're saying. >> we don't have those kinds of constraining rules anywhere in most of our countries.

and you had addressed them in some of your laws. >> for 50 years. >> so positively. and all of a sudden to see that has gone around. we look at some of the professional research that say it will take 130 years to get full gender equity. i don't accept that. and i don't think the women of the united states should accept that. i think we're ahead of you in africa. we've elected democratically first woman president. but there is progress. look at the young women in your congress. and i look at even your supreme court. you still have the presence and the voice of the men there also and i think that is encouraging. >> very positive but, maggie, we

also heard her say it sometimes feels when it comes to the u.s. like the pilot is missing. yikes. she really i think had a clear view of the problem, but still stayed positive. >> yes, she does. i think that she has a very clear view. as i said before, i think that she administered the information and the inspiration that our audience needs to take their own leadership forward. and i think it is important to hear someone call the united states out on our issues, on the ways we can improve. and so we can all recommit ourselves to this work. >> and huma, for the women who were there, how inspiring. >> so inspiring. and i think it is very presidential that she said that we were a roadmap for international standards. we're in election season right now and we have a choice to make. and we have leadership that can

continue to unite us. and i think i took that as hat tip for peace and thank you bot. and you can see the extended sitdown interview at know your value.com. and you can head to forbes.com to nominate a woman that you know or perhaps know your own value and nominate yourself for the next 50 over 50 list. it's time. and we're rolling in to the fourth hour of "morning joe" now. 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. president biden and donald trump added to their delegate totals last night sweeping primaries in five states. it was also a big night for a trump backed candidate in a key race. meanwhile the former president is days away from possibly losing some of his assets in new york. garrett haake has the latest. >> reporter: overnight a victory

former president trump. in the closely watched senate race in ohio. mr. trump's preferred candidate winning tuesday's primary. >> i want to thank president trump for all he did for me. >> reporter: after the former president traveled to the swing state which is central to the gop goal of flipping the senate this year. and yesterday trump himself cast his primary ballot in florida with his wife melania. and lashing out at the new york judge and attorney general over the $464 million civil fraud judgment now threatening his real estate empire. >> we have a great company, but they want to take it away. >> reporter: mr. trump has just five days to come up with the cash or risk having his assets seized by the state. his lawyers said monday he was unable to secure a bond after approaching some 30 lenders. mr. trump on social media warning he, quote, would be forced to mortgage or sell great assets perhaps at fire sale prices. that could include iconic properties like trump tower and 40 wall street, golf courses and

resorts around the world, even his private plane. meanwhile the former president is facing a swift backlash for his comments about jewish people who vote for democrats. now digging in his heels. >> i think that the democrats have been very, very opposed to jewish people. that is true. >> reporter: the firestorm began monday when mr. trump was asked about chuck schumer's rebuke of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. who schumer said should be replaced in new elections. mr. trump saying that democrats are being swayed by protests over president biden's policy on gaza adding -- >> any jewish person that votes for democrats, hates their religion, they hate everything about israel. and they should be ashamed because israel would be destroyed. >> reporter: schumer firing back. >> the former president's comments were utterly disgusting and a textbook example of the kind of anti-semitism facing jews. >> garrett haake reporting. jonathan lemire is back with us.

and also joining us katty kay and staff writer at the "atlantic" ann applebaum joining us. and katty kay, what does it tell you when 30 lenders won't help donald trump post bond and yet he calls people jew haters and this some would say insurrectionist still does very well in the polls. >> yeah, 30 lenders won't help him post bond, some 40 former members of his administration won't endorse him. he is not a brand people are running towards. i think what is a little anxious making about the money is the conversation that you had with andrew weissmann earlier, where does he get the money. what happens if donald trump -- and there seems to be no legal restrictions on this -- turns to a foreign source for that money. what happens if somebody -- if i

was one of american's an taking fliss but had some kind of a relationship with the trump family or trump organization, i would think this is a pretty good bet. why not spend a few hundred million to help bail out somebody who might be the next president of the united states and then have a huge amount of leverage over him. we don't know that that is where he will get the money, but the fact that it is a possibility and the fact that we even discuss it because we know his relationships with some of the antagonistic nations is relevant even of itself. something admiral said runs through all of this, that is the way that america seems to be erratic at the moment. you said it just now that we had president of liberia saying maybe the driver is not fully in control of the car. america has been relied on the last 70 years as a nation that allies could depend upon and that hadadversaries had to be

wary of. and that model seems to be switching. i speak to a lot of foreign diplomats and i keep asking what will happen in november if donald trump wins and it is that uncertainty almost, that can we rely on america to be stable. even if donald trump doesn't win, the fact america is going up to the brink of perhaps abandoning nato, imposing across the board tariffs. it is just an erratic nation. america feels erratic and unpredictable. and that in and of itself is alarming to america's allies and bonus to america's adversaries. >> president biden says that all the time. he recounts how in his first foreign trip after being elected president to the g7 in the uk back in the summer of 2021, he was declaring that america was back and yet some of the foreign leaders asked but for how long. and the trump question hovers over all of this, there is no question there. and you're right, this issue of where he could get the money for

the bond. again, we don't know that it would come from nefarious or enfriendly foreign source, but the fact we're asking is a problem. this is yet another moment because we're in unchartered territory. >> and we know what he would do if he was offered the money even if it was foreign adversary, he would take it like he admittedly that he would get dirt on a political rival from a foreign leader. he doesn't adhere to democratic norms. and now we're in a situation where 30 lenders know that he cannot be trusted with a loan, with money like this. so what does that telling you about his situation and how erratic america is, how it feels. how about how it looks from the

outside. in a new interview with former brexit party leader, former president trump saids united states will remain committed to nato under his leadership as long as european countries pay up. >> if they start to pay their bills properly and the club is fair, our place is like poland defended, will america be there. >> but the united states should pay its fair share, not everybody else's fair share. >> fair enough. >> i believe the united states was paying 90% of nato. could be 100%. it was the most unfair thing. and don't forget, it is more important to them than it is to us. we have an ocean in between some some problems. we have a nice big beautiful ocean. and it is more important for them. they took advantage of us on trade and they took advantage on -- >> so if they start to play fair, america is there? >> 100%. 100%. >> thank you. >> all right.

there are so many things that i want you to talk about in terms of what donald trump just said there pointing out here that he says the united states should pay its fair share. but not someone else's. and yet he has so many people pay a price for him. and his behavior. literally a financial price or they pay a price by the fact they are in jail right now for one reason or another. but that aside, what are the parallels going on right now with this fascist wannabee as some would call him and 1939? >> those comments sounded to me like someone got to trump and said you we are say something nice about nato. but he clearly still has the misunderstanding that nato is some kind of protection racket, that people pay into a kitty and united states was100% of

it. that is not how it works. allies come to one another's aid. only time that the nato treaty has been invoked is after 9/11 when europeans came to america's aid. in the war in ukraine, europeans are spending more than americans. they have just given another 50 billion euros they have just assigned to help ukraine. so he tips to perpetuate this strange view of what america is and what allies are. and you can't be surprised as katty kay said that people say it looks erratic, a country that sees itself as an ocean away, a beautiful ocean away from the world's problems and from its allege lies. and that it is not a country that can be trusted. >> you wrote in your latest piece in the "atlantic" about russia actually, about putin "winning a fifth term." and i'm so glad you wrote this because all the reporting about

this, even with us, we kept talking about putin winning an election. you write there was no election in russia last weekend, there was no campaign, there were no debates which was unsurprising because no issues could be debated. above all, there were no real candidates, bar one. the president of russia. vladimir putin. the man who just started his fifth unconstitutional term in office. russians did line up the polling stations. but these were not actually polling stations. they were props in an elaborate piece of political theater. a months-long exercise in the projection of power and brutality. we might have to relaern the games played by dictators and we can start by calling things by their real names. so i'll say it again. there was no election in russia last weekend. putin did not win. putin isn't winning in the black sea but he can win in washington if only he can inject a bit most of hopelessness and helplessness

into the american debate. this last line, if you could please take that step further, explain it and give us some details. >> so one of the reasons that election was staged was to impress us, us here on this program, us here in washington, here in the united states, to persuade us that he is in power and in full control and therefore he will win the war in ukraine. on the ground he is not winning. his airplanes are being shot down. his ships are being sunk. you know, russians are moving forward. ukrainians are running out of ammunition because we're not giving it to them, but he's not winning fast enough. only way that he can win is if he convinces americans not to help ukrainians. and if he removes america from the role of leader of the democratic alliance that it has

played the last two years. and so he is doing everything he can. again, fake election, portraying himself as in power. convincing trump that he should continue to put pressure on republicans in congress. republicans in congress themselves have for the last six months blocked american aid to ukraine successfully so far. that is how putin is hoping he can win, by affecting american politics, by affecting trump, by affecting the republican party, by using his propaganda. you can see it on twitter and the internet every day to convince americans that he is winning. and we must not allow that to happen and let ourselves be manipulated by his political games. >> and what is your understanding of the russian economy right now? policymakers here have been slightly wrong footed by the degree to which sanctions would

have an impact the last couple years. but i hear from people on the intelligence side that if we can just get through this year, then actually next year there will be an economic problem for vladimir putin in russia and all the sanctions will start to kick in. what is your reading of the state of the economy and the impact it could have on his fortunes? >> we know the russians have ramped up military production by some accounts it is as much as 40% of the russian national budget. it could even be hire depending on what you mean by military. and that production takes away from civilian industry and civilian activity. so we know that there is a lot of poverty in russia, we know the economy has been thrown out of whack by so many young people leaving, by so many tech workers leaving. there are all kinds of ways in which things don't work. and we also know the ukrainians have successfully hit a series of russian oil refineries in the

last few months. affecting somewhere between 7% and 10% of russian oil production. so their economy is out of whack, it is in trouble, and in we can continue to support ukraine and keep the sanctions going through this year, yes, we do have a chance of seeing some tipping point arrive. >> anne, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. and house foreign affairs committee held a hearing yesterday on the 2021 u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. one of the largest evacuation operations in american history. back in february of 2020, it was the trump administration who signed the deal with the taliban that set up the structure for the removal of u.s. forces. they were to be pulled out within 14 months. the time line that shifted back an additional four months after trump's successor president

biden moved the deadline to august 2021. at yesterday's hearing, former chair of the joint chief of staff retired general mark milley described what he thought was the main problem behind the withdrawal. >> so 14 august noncombatant operation decision was made by the department of state and the u.s. military alerted mobilized and rapidly deployed faster than any military in the world could ever do. it is my assessment that that decision came too late. >> do you think mistakes were made in either the planning phases, things that we thought were going to happen that didn't happen, or things on the ground that unfolded? >> there is zero doubt in my mind there were mistakes made and that is the point of identifying mistakes and develop solutions to implement in the future. i think the fundamental mistake, fundamental flaw, was the timing of the state accident call of

the neo. i think it was too slow and too late. >> joining us now is the committee's ranking member democratic congressman gregory meeks of new york. president biden certainly got a lot of criticism about how this went. it was an incredibly stunning visual when the evacuation and the drawdown played out. i'm curious what the purpose of the hearings are and in terms of mistakes made, are any of them useful for future operations? >> look, let me tell you, first of all, there was nothing really new yesterday. the generals stated that their testimony yesterday was exactly the same as their testimony when they testified before the armed services committee on the house and on the senate side when they were in uniform. only difference is yesterday they were not in uniform and they were in uniform then.

and they came, you know, initially at the threat of a subpoena by the committee, but they ultimately came on a voluntary basis. the fact 69 matter is what we are supposed to be doing is trying to find a way to look at what we did successfully and what we didn't do, what we can improve on. and that as the general said, it is a 20 year look at what our fighting in afghanistan. and that you could not take two days, three days to look at that. in fact he said the foundation of evacuating was really formed with the doha agreement which was a bilateral agreement between the united states and a terrorist organization basically led by pompeo. it didn't include the afghan government. and he also said the decision that we have to make leading up to what took place, and here is

where judgments, and we want to look at these things, but we have to get the facts completely, so -- and i remember this very clearly. because about a week before the decision to change, president ghani then of afghanistan was route here at the capitol. and he said he and his troops would stand and stay. and what changed things is when they left. because what we were doing is trying to make -- and i saw some republicans even talking about how -- why did we leave august 31, that that was too early, we should have stayed longer than that. i think what the general was saying is that once ghani left, that changed circumstances. and so they thought that leaving before ghani left would have been beneficial and that is something that we need to look at, whether the evidence or what we looked at before, should we have left before as opposed to after, but the focus of what the

bifd was looking at, saving more american lives. because what the gentleman also said, they are 100% certain if we stayed there, if we did not leave, that we would be back at war and they would have to be a tremendous surge of troops back on the ground putting more american lives at the line. so what joe biden did is what he thought, and i agreed with him, was in the best interests of the american people, getting out 00 on august 31 because the deadline had been may 21, and preventing having to put more troops on the ground and fighting and going back into war with the taliban. >> and we want to turn you to another matter now. seems like a deal is at hand to avoid a government shutdown which means the next order of business could be ukraine aid. speaker johnson has suggested that he will bring some sort of national security bill that would have aid to israel and ukraine. have you learned more as to what

his plan is, the time table of it, and frankly whether you think this will be effective? we certainly know of course that he refused to bring a previous measure passed by the senate up for a vote. >> i'm very nervous about this situation because it seems to me our national security have dictated we should have passed a supplemental that we got from the senate weeks ago. because every day matters. and we're about to go on a two week break and we can see every day that things can get worse and worse. ukrainians are trying to make a decision of whether or not they should use the ammunition, what amount they have left, or not, as oppose doing the tactical things they have done the last two years. it is a ukrainian victory already the fact that we're still here as long as we give them what they need. so i'm hoping and i wish that we could do and we should be doing the supplemental before we leave

washington. they will take the easter recess so we won't be back here for two weeks. and i just came back from the munich security council, i was in london and paris and talking to some of our friends and allies there. they are very, very concerned about what is taking place and how long and whether we would do it. so it is time for us -- he could do it tomorrow. put the supplemental on the floor. that we got from the senate. and we'll get over 300 votes and we can move on it right now because every day, every minute, every hour counts. and we need to get that to them. so i do believe there is an agreement on the budget. i hope he gets that on the floor before friday. but so should he get the supplemental on the floor before we reach for the easter recess. >> ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee democratic congressman gregory meeks of new york, thank you

very much for being on this morning. >> thank you for having me. and coming up on "morning joe," another gop lawmaker is taking credit for securing funds for their district through a bill that they voted against. plus our next guest argues the rights of more than 60 million americans hang in the balance this year. and electing democrats to state legislatures is the only path to ensure those freedoms. he

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and i notice some of you who voted against it are cheering on the money coming in. i'm with you. i'm with you if any of you don't want any of that money in your districts, just let me know. >> i'll see you at the ground breaking. that was president biden during his state of the union address taking a jab at republicans who had voted against funding measures only to celebrate or even take credit for the outcomes later. case in point, it seems congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of georgia is taking credit for securing federal funds for her district through an appropriations bill that she voted against earlier this month. in a newsletter sent to constituents, the congresswoman highlighted a link to a local newspaper that discusses how the funds will be used. the article includes a quote from one of greene's press

releases that says congresswoman greene meticulously sought out projects that would improve quality of life, increase and social development, assist localities with vital funding needs and harness community support. but georgia representative voted against the bill that ultimately grants her constituents the money for those projects. greene had even bragged about voting against the measure earlier this month on social media. seriously. one of the worst. an arizona state senator shared her plan to end her pregnancy in an effort to show how abortion restrictions made it more painful and less healthy. eva birch had struggled for years with infertiity and being told that she could not deliver a healthy baby and she and her husband made the difficult decision to seek an abortion.

on monday birch took to the floor of the arizona state senate to share her story. she told her colleagues that she had visited a clinic where she was given invasive ultrasound and counseling on alternatives to abortion despite already knowing that her pregnancy was not viable. required under state law, those experiences birch said were cruel. >> i don't know how many of you know this, but a few weeks ago i learned that against all odds i am pregnant. many of you know i've had kind of a rough journey with fertility. i had my first miscarriage more than 13 years ago and i've been pregnant many times since then. twice i was lucky enough to successfully carry to term and i have two beautiful healthy little boys. now i wish i could tell you otherwise, but after numerous ultrasounds and blood draws we've determined my pregnancy

once again is not progressing and not viable. i'm choosing to talk about why i made this decision because i want us to be able to have meaningful conversations about the reality of how the work that we do in this body impacts people in the real world. i don't know how many of you have been unfortunate must have to experience a miscarriage before, but i'm not interested in going through it unnecessarily. and right now the safest and most appropriate treatment for me and the treatment that i choose is abortion. but the laws this legislature has passed have interrupted my ability. we deserve the freedom to make those decisions myself. i'll never force anyone to have an abortion, but no one should prevent me from having mine. >> what she's doing here i think democrats need to listen up, because she's describing in real time using her own personal situation why abortion is health

care. it is one thing to call it a right to choose, but republicans will mangle that. abortion is health care as it is in this case where she has a pregnancyviable. and instead of wait for a miscarriage or something dangerous to happen, she's trying to get health care. and stories like the one we just heard are what democrats say will make all the difference at the ballot box in november. the democratic legislative campaign committee, the organization whose job it is to elect more state democrats and win legislative majorities is planning on making reproductive rights the cornerstone of its campaign. joining us now, president of that committee, heather williams. heather, it is good to have you on the show. i want to ask you about what i just said, but first i want to know how big is the challenge ahead here, how many state legislatures have democrats lost ground in because as we all

know, it does start in the state legislatures. donald trump is building a bench for position. >> yeah, no, it is such a great question. and i think just to kind of tie it into senator eva birch, we see this courageous woman who is illustrating how impactful these horrific laws that republicans are moving in state complaints across the country where they have control, how horrific they are and how impactful they are to our decisions around body autonomy, health care and our freedoms. democrats have been gaining grounds in statehouses for election cycles now. just last cycle we created new majorities that protected the rights of more than 30 million americans. and we have a really big map of opportunities this election cycle. and we know that the stakes are incredibly high, that decisions

around our freedoms, our reproductive freedoms, around our democracy, around how we care for each other in our communities are being decided in the states. >> so we know the trump campaign says that it will try to present what they call moderate on abortion by he says he wants to impose a 16 week national ban, on the democratic side, what are you hearing on reaction to that proposition and how is that message that you will counter from the democrat side? >> i think to put it simply a ban is a ban. and what senator birch illustrates is not just how the laws are affecting her, but how these policies, how these bans, how the republican approach to removing our choices around our health care by putting up barriers to getting the kind of care that we as women need, that republicans can't win on this issue.

they are not winning on this issue. the american people don't trust them and they believe that we should have access to a full slate of reproduction productive health care. >> and some republicans have tried to run away from the issue of ivf. but at the same time, efforts to codify it in the building behind you have gone nowhere blocked by helps. so who will you guys try to make the argument about ivf because a lot of families in this country are still really nervous about it future. >> i think this i will straights why the work we do really setting this national agenda for these legislative races across the country matters so much. what happened in alabama around ivf is not unique to alabama. we're seeing republicans run with this issue. we're seeing them restrict our access to tools that are used to

grow families, tools that are used to, you know, evaluate our health care. and i think that that is so -- it is just so important. and to put a finer point on this, these legislature elections, this is not a billion dollar operation that we're running here. if everyone watching right now contributed a dollar, we would be able to work to protect the reproductive freedoms for millions of people around the country. >> president of the democratic legislative campaign committee, heather william, thank you very much for coming on the show. and coming up on "morning joe," a conversation on disrupting the daily routine, we'll be joined by harvard law professor who is the co-author of a new book about doing just that. and how it can rejuvenate our lives. that is straight ahead on "morning joe." ht ahead on "morning joe."

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breaking your daily routine. joining us now, co-author of the new book "look again, power of noticing what was always there." i like this concept because i think it has to do with the brain being challenged to try new things. right? and memory games almost. or am i completely off? >> you are completely right. so think about the human brain and also the canine and equine brain, it that bit chew eights what it is expossessioned top. cold water, it will feel like oh, my gosh, but after a while you get used to it and you won't notice that it is cold. that is the true of fantastic things and also of horrible things where the brain is decreasingly sensitive to the same stimulus to which it is exposed. >> your thesis is that this could lead to joy. more joy in one's life.

is that scientific assessment or your take? >> it is not a take, it is a scientific assessment. my co-author is a neuroscientist. and here is data. best time on a vacation is not the fourth day, not the fifth, not the sixth, it is 43 hours in. 43 hours in. after that, it is downhill. doesn't mean that people don't like a beautiful beach on day three or four or a really nice hotel or they don't like champagne, it is that the first days are the really best days and 43 hours in, it is when you are kind of not discom bob uhe lated it and really loving it. so if we're exposed to something that completes after a while, it turns gray. and that is literally true if you are seeing a cloud of colors and you are staring in the center, after a while the cloud of colors, you can do this at

home, the colors will disappear and turn gray. that is kind like life. and if you move your head, you will see the colors again. so the basic idea is that science shows move your head and you will see a lot of colors that you had stopped envisioning. >> and i think i love this, but i'm a bit worried that you are advocating for short holidays which as a european i don't like the idea of. but i'm worried that this will set us up for permanent looking for something else. like the permanent search for something that will fill that void. last summer i took up ballet dancing again. and what i'm worried about now hearing this, and i'm loving it, but i'm worried that after a few months i'm going to get bored of my ballet classes which are bringing me joy at the moment and i'll have to take up something completely different. how do we stop ourselves from permanently needing something new to feel that sense of joy? >> so we don't want people to be jumping like a grasshopper from

one spot to another constantly. you are completely right on that. what we do want to emphasize is that if you are exposed to something that is really good and it is stopping being seen as really good, then either to try a mental exercise, and this is very easy do, gratitude exercises have this feature, where you think, i'm kind of lucky that i get this, i get to have a stable job, i get to have friends i really like, i have a partner who can stand me, you have a mental exercise even is thrilling for many. and do something new, maybe this summer to take up something will give variety to life and make it when you go back to the thing you standardly do, it will have pixie dust on it, it will start to resparkle. >> the new book is entitled "look again, power of noticing what was always there." it is on sale now.

thank you so much for the book and for coming on the show today. >> thank you. so perhaps one of those new things you can do is see a broadway show. a whole new slate of shows is opening this spring. emmy-award-winning host frank delellment a gives us a look at what is on tap. "morning joe" will be right back. at is on tap "morning joe" will be right back

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>> and that's a scene from the broadway revival of the who's tommy. featuring hits by legendary musician pete townsend returned to the stage this month ahead of its official opening next week. joining us now with a preview of what else broadway has to offer this spring is the emmy award winning host of "on stage" on spectrum news new york one our friend frank dela. >> good morning. >> that looked like a lot of fun. >> i just saw it over the weekend. it is so much fun. there were a lot of who fans in the audience, and they were going crazy for it. i have to point out this gentleman right here who we see in the center, ali louis, 24 years old plays the role of tommy himself. he is fantastic. i think he's going to get a lot of buzz come awards time here in the theater community. >> so a show that's much quieter than that one, but receiving

thunderous buzz if you will is an enemy of the people, which stars succession's jeremy strong. >> new translation by amy herzog who gave us a doll's house with jessica chastain to great acclaim. this is her latest piece currently on broadway. jeremy strong returned to his theater roots with this piece. i'm not sure if you're a "succession" fan. >> very much so. >> but we're seeing a lot of "succession" stars returning to theater. we have a picture of dorian gray, which we're going to get on broadway next season, and brian compton is in long day's journey with patricia clarkson, that i think will have some buzz as well. we may see that on broadway sometime soon. >> star power always key to broadway the alicia keys has a new musical, hell's kitchen. >> that was a huge hit down on the public theater in the fall. could not get a ticket to this

show. now it's on broadway going to the schubert theater. i sat down with alicia, and she's really excited to see her name in lights with her very personal musical inspired by her own story of growing up in the hell's kitchen section of manhattan. she grew up in manhattan plaza which is an artist's commune of sorts and it's the story of this young girl named ali who is coming into her own and with that finds music. music is really her salvation, and it's fantastic. you get all the alicia key's hits in this. and alicia was telling me when she was young she was inspired by the musical rent, being a new york city story as well, and michael greith who directed rent is directing her musical on broadway. >> new york city is such a vital characters the same way that berlin is for cabaret and that's back as well. >> absolutely. this is a real immersive experience for cabaret. cabaret is going strong right now in london. this is the london production

that's coming over. eddie redmayne who we see there is playing the role opposite an actress by the name of gayle rankin. some people may not know that name yesterday. they will come this spring season. she plays sally bowles. when you walk into the theater, you are walking into this world. i recently took a tour of the theater, now called the kit kat club. they've gutted the theater, the playing space, and it's really, really cool. i think it's going to be one of the must sees -- or i know it's one of the must-sees of the spring season. >> let's close by stepping off broadway to oh mary. tell us about this. >> it's one of my favorite pieces i've seen this year. it's getting a lot of buzz. stars in the show, plays mary todd lincoln, mary todd lincoln wants to be a cabaret star, and she will do whatever it takes to make that happen. lots of folks are flocking to this show. it's a hot ticket.

it's playing downtown through may. i have a feeling it's going to get extended because it's such a hit. >> we of course have only scratched the surface here with all the new shows opening on and off broadway this spring. broadway is back. come to new york city, see a show. frank dalilah, thank you as always we'll talk again soon. we'll be back here tomorrow. right now ana cabrera picks up our coverage after a quick final break.

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