republicans could not avert a lot of internal chaos. in fact, friday was a very, very bad day for house speaker mike johnson. not only is johnson facing a looming battle over his speakership, thanks to the motion to vacate filed by marjorie taylor greene, he is also dealing with a dwindling house majority, with wisconsin congressman mike gallagher announcing plans to leave congress next month. republicans will soon be able to lose just one vote, if all democrats put together on legislation. joining us now, mariana sotomayor, congressional reporter from the washington post. welcome. >> i have to ask you, is there more frustration in the republican caucus with marjorie taylor greene or speaker johnson? >> i would say, with marjorie taylor greene. it's something that i heard from even far right members of the house freedom caucus. they are not taking this too

seriously, simply because, as many republicans pointed out, she is someone who seeks attention, so it will be interesting to see, though, if she did file this motion, not under any special privileges that would actually force the house to consider this question to vacate the speaker, but if she does, she could do that at any point in time. that is where the question is really going to weigh on a number of republicans, and there are really, really frustrated far right members, who are just upset by the boat that we saw yesterday, and a number of other things that johnson has so far done. >> mike lawlor, who is a republican out of new york, sits in one of those districts we talk about, 18 districts that a republican represents that joe biden won in 2020. he had something to say about om all of this. marjorie taylor greene, the motion to vacate, democrats, potentially, assisting. i want to play what he had to say.

>> the issues are on our side, but we have to show that we can govern and that we can work as a unit, and doing things like this, obviously, make chaos and create unnecessary distractions. it's a responsibility of the democrats not to partake in something that undermines our government. the reality is, hakeem jeffries always says, people over politics. show that right now by making it clear you aren't going to team up with marjorie taylor greene to remove the speaker, for keeping the government open. >> now, i will note, the last l time a house republicans tried to talk to the democrats about what they need to do, and used harsh language -- >> he tried to put it on the democrats. >> that's what i'm saying, remember when speaker mccarthy went out of the sunday before another big vote? i feel like it's groundhog day. he said something about how democrats, whatever, whatever,

democracy. democrats were like, we -- you are not going to talk to us like this. we know that they are very concerned, right? i would argue, house republicans are concerned about what marjorie taylor greene is doing, and i don't think the finger wagging to democrats is going to work for them, but i could be wrong. i don't know. >> this is an interesting situation, s it is a lot of hou democrats, in particular, were really, really annoyed, to your point, symone. speaker kevin mccarty was always talking down at them, never went formally to jeffrey's to make that asked, hey, i need your help. that's why democrats backed off. it's different with johnson. democrats kind of like him as a person, and the one fundamental thing, i will say, is that both jeffries and a number of house democratic leadership that i have talked to said they would only bail johnson out if the motion to vacate question comes forward, onif he puts the supplemental bill on the floor

to fund ukraine, israel, and the indo pacific. that is a little different. something to watch. >> the reality for the house right now is, marjorie taylor greene is kevin mccarty's parting gift to the house of representatives, and it's a gife that keeps on giving over and over and over again, to the point where you want a bad penny in your pocket. that's how useful all of her antics are, so now you have mike gallagher, also stirring the pot, by saying, you know what? i'm not going to run for re- election, and then, you know what again? i'm going to leave before the term is over. you know what, even better thana that? i'm going to leave after the period that my state can replace me and put someone else in the seat, so we can have a better majority. now, we are down to one. one member deciding not to go

the right way, and i would argue, in most situations, the democrats are going to hold as a block on any boat. >> they have been good. hakeem jeffries has kept his caucus pretty tight. what is your read on house speaker johnson navigates this new terrain with just one vote, literally, between getting a bill passed and keeping his seat? >> it's going to be incredibly difficult, and johnson has said this himself, just how hard it is to govern an ungovernable majority, not to mention the fact -- >> -- he has referred to his own majority as ungovernable? >> here's the thing, they in house readership, has been able to figure out how to pass things without a majority. the house, as we know it, has always passed things through

simple majority. that's it. they are now suspending that rule, that procedural hurdle, and saying, we need two thirds of the house just to be able to do all of these things. th that's why we have seen the house be able to govern on these bigger questions, but that has really -- i cannot stress how much it has upset the far right. >> can i push back? not pushback, but has this house govern, the? have they just barely funded the government every time it needed to be funded? >> when it comes to the must pass, need to address, they have been able to reach that point, but to your point, though,t, house republicans hav not been able to pass the on bills that they care about, but they just don't have the votes.v they won't be able to impeach biden, because they don't have the votes, and we are starting to hear that. >> that was interesting with mike lawler saying, we have the issues on our side. do you really? if you did, i think this would be easy, wouldn't it? it's not the complication of

the issues. it's the complication of an ungovernable majority, that is fractured across the board, on not just what they want to put out there, but even how to ut negotiate with an administration that, arguably, is in a much weakened position given the president's poll numbers, and things like that. they seem to be giving life to democrats on a number of these issues. >> now, i will say, that exact question of, what does it mean to govern, has spilled onto the campaign trail. we are seeing sitting members of congress going out and campaigning against their own colleagues, because when you talk to those like mike lawler who say, i want to govern, i want to pass bills, they are like, we need more rational people like that to make up our majority. you talk to the freedom caucus or someone like matt gaetz, and they can say, no, we can be a functioning governing majority if we had even more of our point of view, even though that is a group that is constantly

threatened the pragmatic republicans that are trying to pass bills. a >> michael, let's pull up two headlines from this week. one, you have the house republican budget calling for raising the retirement age for social security, then this, majority of house republicans endorse an abortion ban that threatens ivf. just to put some color on what you said, the issues are not on their side. >> no. that is the reality, i think. they are facing that right now. let's put it that way could the leadership understands, going into this election cycle, they have severely disadvantaged themselves. now, people can actually see a little more clearly why mcconnell was like, you know what? i don't know the house. i have no idea what they are doing over there. we are going to stay on our own track and promote our own thing as best we can. that is separation between the

house and the senate. it has been more start over the last year than i think it has been in a long time, because of these types of headlines that you see, and that's not where the american people are. >> absolutely. it has been quite incredible just to see how segmented the republican party, within the capitol, has become. we knew that there are different points of views in the republican party, but just how stark the issues have been, and have been playing at the last couple of elections, has really made it difficult for republicans to even say where they are on certain things. for example, the ivf question, that is something that the nrc see is around to help house candidates, incumbents, they are telling candidates, go out there and talk about your personal stories on ivf. go talk about it. but then, there are things like this were a majority of republicans sign onto things like this. >> then, that member -- letter from members to dennis at

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it is make or break time for donald trump. by monday, the former president must post a bond for the full amount of the $454 million civil fraud penalty that he owes. if he doesn't, new york attorney general letitia james could start trying to seize his bank accounts and properties. trumps legal team says it's almost impossible to secure that amount of money, but on his social media platform,

trump has been bragging that he has almost $500 million in cash on hand. okay. then, you also have this monday, we will also find out when donald trump's hush money trial will begin. one of the key witnesses in that trial to that case, joins us now, donald trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen. he is the host of the podcasts, mea culpa, and political beat down. he is also the author of revenge, and disloyal, a memoir. you are a busy man, michael cohen. >> i know it, right? >> you have another book? >> two podcasts, two books. >> we will do a trilogy. >> a trilogy of terror. >> let's talk about the third book, because there are big inks happening on monday. i'm interested in this question of whether or not he is able to come up with the bond. what you think happens?

>> obviously, nobody knows. it's a privately held company, and donald, on one set, has his lawyers telling the judge, he doesn't have the money. it's impossible to obtain a bond for that amount of money, but then he goes on his on truth social platform, and starts bragging about how he has $500 million. if that's true, it sounds to me like there is a perjury charge going on, because you made a statement to the court that you have the money, you don't have the money. is it a lie? is it not a lie? with donald trump, you never know, but instead, assuming he has it, donald doesn't want to use his own money. he never wants to use his own money. >> he said he was going to use the money for his campaign, and he hasn't used the money for his campaign. >> correct. when we were running the 2016 campaign, and he was telling everybody, i'm really rich, and i don't need anybody's money. i'm going to run this on my own but the next thing he said, i'm

not going to spend any money but let's go out and raise money, which is what he ended up doing the does he have this money? i'm sure he has some, and he has the ability to obtain -- i don't think he has the ability to get half $1 billion, no way. he is going to need help from people like some of these donors, that are doing this $800,000 per person dinner. that's a lot of money. >> better be a lot of food. >> it better be, right? this is not all you can eat. $800,000 a plate, even that is not going to get him anywhere near the amount of the bond. >> michael, i want to play for you what trump said in his deposition, the $400 million deposition in the e. jean carroll defamation trial, what he had to say about money and being a developer. >> i don't need the money. you probably have seen the cash. we have a lot of cash, i

believe. we have substantially, in excess of $400 million cash, which is a lot for a developer. developers usually don't have cash, they have assets, not cash, but i believe, we have $400 million plus, and going up substantially every month. >> okay, so that is one scenario he wants to paint for us, but then there is this new development talking about -- he has a lot of cash. truth social, apparently, could go on the market, could be on the stock exchange. as some of the analysts are saying, that could generate, potentially, two to $3 billion worth of value to him. money he can't access, obviously, because of the prohibitions on him selling the stock for six months after he goes public, but there is this space re-talk about donald trump getting cash. that could, potentially, be available to him.

walk us through how that would work if all of that plays out, and the fact, as he says, developers don't usually have cash, but i have a lot of it could seemingly, i guess this could do that for him. >> as it relates to this truth social platform, what is the value to it? the fact that they want to make claims that it's worth $4 billion or $5 billion, and he owns like 85% of the stock. wouldn't that stock be valued based upon its profitability. i understand it has like 15 million users. compare that to somebody like taylor swift, who has 120 million followers. 120 million what is the profitability that they are making these statements, that it's worth, not just into the millions or hundreds of millions, but into the billions of dollars? i don't buy it either. they are trying to hype up the stock, the same they would do

it for trump mortgage, trump university, trump vodka, trump steaks, trumpets, trump that. it's not worth anything. there is no future site for that profitability either. who wants to go on to truth social? it's nonsense, and i don't think that anybody is going to take the stock as an advance for cash. >> you named all of the things that donald trump has put his name on in the past, and you know -- you believe they are inflating the numbers. literally, that is what he is in trouble with tish james in new york for doing, inflating his assets, lying about his assets, to, essentially, defraud the taxpayers of new york. i want to turn to the other case that we have been watching, michael. because, you are a key part of that case. i'm talking about what has been known as a hush money trial.

this case is supposed to start on monday. now, on monday there is going to be a hearing. we have seen footage of you, of stormy daniels, going into, separately, alvin bragg's office, the manhattan d.a., for these meetings. i know that you are limited in what you can say, but tell us something about the preparations for monday. are we going to see you in this hearing? >> the hearing is about, of course, all of these late documents, and i will tell you, i'm very angry about the whole thing. first and foremost, i have put in a request under foia, three years ago, and originally, and i write about this in the book revenge, originally, they stated there are no documents that are relevant to your request. well, i had three or four documents, i turned them over to my attorney, who is really the best at it, and the next

thing you know, about three months later, they claim, we are sorry, we made a mistake. there are 486,000 documents. three years later, not a single document, until about two weeks ago, i got 32 documents from them. other than that, it has been absolute silence. donald puts in a request in january, and six weeks later, all of a sudden there are 130,000 or, 173,000 documents that have been turned over. i would like to know what's going on. i would like to know what's going on with the sd and y, which is problematic. i would like to know what's going on at the doj. what's going on here? stomachthose documents belong to the people, and they should have been released under foia. i will tell you what those documents are going to show. it's going to show that donald trump, through a willing and complicit bloviating attorney general weapon iced the department of justice and

unconstitutionally remanded a united states citizen. >> what is so interesting to me, i'm sure you've seen him out on the stump calling all of these cases -- as if to say to american voters, don't worry about this, it's just a little thing that happened in georgia. don't worry about this, it's just a little thing that happened in new york, when there is connective tissue with all of them that has to do with the national stage and national audience which is, yes, we have to refer to this as a hush money case, as a means of differentiating it from the other election interference cases, but fundamentally, what we are talking about here is interfering with an election, yet again. >> yet again. donald needs to win, and he needs to win by any means necessary, and he will do anything, and if we can go back to, for example, the bond, that's what i keep yelling about again and again to the american people. it's not about the money. it's not about whether he can

or he can't. it's, how does he get the money? just imagine if, hypothetically, he gets it from one of the mega billionaires, like a harold hamm, who is worth $18.5 billion. how indebted is the president going to be to that individual? worse than that is, what if, hypothetically, it's coming from a foreign entity? what if it's coming from vladimir putin or mohammed bin solomont, or viktor orban? they could, certainly, make the payment for him. the united states is national security will be on the line because donald will be indebted to that foreign entity. this is a real danger to all of us. >> michael, why do you think there is a tone deafness to what you just said, that there is a blind spot in the american public, to some degree, but certainly, with respect to the federal government, judicial process, that donald trump has

been able to manipulate these entities, and to, basically getting and doing what he wants, which is to delay this process. along the way, demonizing individuals like yourself, who are holding up the document saying, read it, this is what's happening. speak to a little bit of what's happening in that space, and why is it so difficult, despite your connection to all of this, and your revelations from all of this, that it's not just landing the way it probably should? >> because, what donald trump has taught the american people is that with money, you can fight the system. you can delay the system ad infinitum. the problem is, people are afraid of him. the judges are afraid of him. for example, the response by judge furman in response to the release of me from supervised release, which was actually blessed. it was blessed by the department of probation.

they are afraid of him, for whatever reason, i don't know. i have been yelling, again, since 2018, when i said that donald trump is a fraud, a con man, and i was right when i said that if he lost the election in 2020, there would never be a peaceful transfer of power. i was right again when i said that he overvalued his assets and undervalued them for tax purposes, i was right again. why people don't want to listen, i don't know. we have to yell louder. we have to do whatever we can to inform as many americans out there on the dangers that donald trump poses to american democracy, because he doesn't care about america. he never did and he never will. he cares about one person and one person only. >> from michael cohen to america. pay attention. michael cohen, thank you so much. i really appreciate you, man. we have much more on trumps legal troubles ahead, so you all need to stick with the weekend on msnbc. you. gineerin.

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y'all, i am here scrolling through all of the receipts, because let me tell you something. when michael cohen ended, i have been saying michael cohen was like, i tried to tell you all. i tried to tell you all about donald trump being a national security risk weeks ago, and it's absolutely true. this man, donald trump, could not get any job within the highest levels of the government, only the presidency. it's not about him being able to get a security clearance. the man would not make it through a vent for high-level cabinet positions, a high-level white house or government appointment, because of, literally, the litany of things that we know, particularly, his vulnerability, financially. he could be beholden to anyone. >> i think the last part of what cohen said is essential here, particularly, that we know he's now desperate for cash. i am saying, just watch with a great deal of scrutiny, when he

posts that bond, where that money comes from. there are a lot of ways in which that money could get worked into the system. everybody is focusing on the hill, on republicans, on hunter biden, who is nowhere near the administration before now, but my question is, not, where is hunter, but where is jared? >> come on now. >> we have $2 billion walking out of the white house deaf >> -- from the saudi's. >> there are a lot of things that: races that are going to be worth a conversation as this thing gets underway, starting on monday. >> he was walking out and said, he really does feel that we are on the cusp of accountability. that it's getting closer and closer, whether you look at it in the form that these payments are coming due and it's exposing more of the financial reality of trump himself, or, if it is this new york case, which

is getting ready to move, and could actually be one of the, timeline -wise, fastest routes to account ability. >> that's so important, alicia. you understand, contextually, why the press can delay. it's not just to avoid the election side, but also, to give him the runway he needs to pull those resources together that he knows he needs, even before these judgments came down. donald trump had not just mounting, he had mountains of legal bills that had to be paid in the hundreds of millions of dollars, so i think that accountability piece is starting to stick. we will see, more importantly, whether the american people tune in enough and focus enough to understand exactly the threat that trump represents, not just in terms of being president, but even globally. >> the accountability piece is absolutely key, and in america, we say no one is above the law.

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in a brief to the supreme court, donald trump's legal team is arguing that he should be completely immune from criminal charges stemming from his attempts to subvert the 2020 election. they write, "the president cannot function, and the presidency itself cannot retain its vital independence if the criminal -- present faces criminal prosecution once he leaves office." the supreme court is slated to hear arguments on that matter next month. joining us now, chuck rosenberg, a former u.s. attorney and fbi official. >> real quick, chuck, can i jump in on the last part there? donald trump cannot be prosecuted for official acts once he leaves office. if you are no longer in office, how do you have -- i mean, the documents he has, when he took those documents out, for example, or when he did this or

that thing, he was still president, and therefore, that was the official act? or, was it with respect to official actions taken afterwords, the fbi comes and asks for the documents and he says no? what is the deal with the official act thing? >> i find it hard to believe keeping documents that belong to the federal government is an official act, and i find it hard to believe that pressuring a secretary of state to find you 11,780 votes so you can win the election is not an official act? what do i know? >> more than me. >> it's a hard question, sometimes. i think here, keeping classified information documents, material in your house is not an official act. by the way, nor are they your records. obstructing justice. misleading the fbi or encouraging or obstructing other people to hide the documents or not turn them over

cannot be an official act, under any circumstance, michael. there might be some really small subset of things that would be an official act, for which a president ought not be prosecuted, but i don't think that's what you find in either of the two federal indictments involving mr. trump, not the one in d.c., the election interference, and not the one in mar-a-lago, mishandling miss -- classified information. those are not official acts. >> so the supreme court is going to have to decide, well, i guess they have a couple things to decide, but on this question of official acts, in the immunity case that they've already heard in relation to the federal d.c. trial, they're going to be deciding if it was an official act that donald trump and his allies, again, tried to steal an election, and then in this other case, mar-a- lago in florida, with judge

cannon, which again, a whole other story. they are going to decide if it's an official act when he took the government documents and kept them. >> at a high level, the supreme court will be deciding whether or not a president can enjoy absolute immunity for official acts while president. >> don't they have to decide if any of these things are official acts? >> that's where it gets harder. that's what gets mark obligated that could result -- i'm not saying it will, but it could result in the supreme court asking a lower court to decide whether or not what mr. trump did here is or is not an official act. could there be further delay after the supreme court rules? yes. is the supreme court going to conclusively resolve this case after oral argument? maybe not. >> one of the arguments that trump's legal team relied on in

this filing over immunity was from justice kavanaugh, who was appointed by donald trump, and they tried to say that he had argued that a president should be immune from prosecution. if you read closely what justice kavanaugh said, he said a sitting president should be immune, but a former president once they have left office is not granted the same immunity. it would seem to me as a nonlawyer, unwise, to put a justices own argument in front of them in a way that runs counter to the argument you are trying to make. >> alicia, you are right, even if you are not a lawyer. you are talking about an article that justice kavanaugh wrote long before he was justice kavanaugh in 1988, so 26 years ago, and if you read only one sentence of his article, mr. trump's lawyers have the better argument. if you read the entire argument, they are dead wrong. and so, as a strategic matter,

not a great way to cite justice kavanaugh's work. as a practical matter, i think it's a disaster, but whether or not it will matter, that's another issue, alicia. look, justice kavanaugh, now on the supreme court, may have a different view than he did when he wrote the article a quarter of a century ago. what matters right now are the law and the facts. legal scholars write stuff just to write stuff, and their views change and they shouldn't be held to them. he is a judge now. he has a different job it sometimes where you stand depends on where you sit. >> let's go from the sublime to the ridiculous. you have trump's lawyers arguing, as business insider is reporting, if he doesn't have absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, future presidents could be blackmailed. seriously? >> i think that's nonsense.

in fact, we have a lot of data to suggest it is nonsense. we have had 46 presidents now. mr. trump was the 45th, and the 44 before him had not been prosecuted or blackmailed based on conduct while in office, so the notion that all of a sudden, this is going to flip and change, it strikes me, and this is a legal board, as silly. >> as a recovering lawyer, we do silly well together. i appreciate that. stick around for a moment, because we need to talk about why so many legal experts out there are scratching their heads yet again at the decisions that judge eileen cannon has been making in the classified documents case. folks don't have much hair left, and i have been scratching mine a lot. then, ali velshi will connect the dots between trump's flipping on banning tiktok, and one pennsylvania billionaire. we will get into that. we will be right back.

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the judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents case issued an unusual order this week, and the order was regarding the jury instructions at the end of the trial, even though the judge has not said when the trial will be held, the order suggested that judge aileen cannon's openness to the trump's team claims that presidents are allowed to declare highly classified documents personal property. national security law experts say that is not what the law says, or how it has been interpreted over decades by the courts. the great chuck rosenberg is still with us. >> this has been described by legal experts is very, very troubling. do you agree? >> i do. under the presidential records act, the official records of the president belong to the american people, the national archives, not to the president. as for classified information, i don't believe there is any argument you can make that a

president can take classified information home with him or her, and declassify it and claim it to be their own. that is nonsense. >> chuck, i want to talk a little bit about judge eileen cannon on this case, and there are a lot of views about how she has handled this case, and continues to handle this case. i, for one, just to put my bias on the table, feel that looking at her objectively, that she has got at least a pinky finger on the scales of justice for donald trump. tell me where i may be wrong. how do you see how she is managing this case? a lot of legal experts out there, they are smarter than me, and i'm a recovering lawyer, i get it, but at the same time, they are sitting there going, what is she doing? what is happening here? why is she flying in the face of obvious black letter law?

>> i don't think she is biased, michael. i think there is a different problem. i think there is something else going on. just because a person is nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate to become a federal judge does not mean that she is in doubt, suddenly, overnight, with great wisdom, knowledge, experience, judgment. those are things that you gain over years, right? frankly, some judges are really, really good, and some are really, really bad, and most are somewhere in between, and the same trait -- thing is true of dentists, plumbers, and airline pilots too. if you lose two engines over the hudson, you would rather have sully sullenberger at the controls then some mediocre pilot. i think she is bad at her job. she is, certainly, green. she has not had a lot of trials as a judge. the number is four, and they were all relatively simple, and by the way, that is not her fault. she is new at this. maybe one day she will be really good at this.

there is not a lot of evidence to support that right now, but i think she is struggling, and i think some of the things you are seeing from her are just silly. they are wrong. they are misstatements of the law, and it's got to be maddening for the prosecutors to try to litigate in front of her. >> i'm sure there are people sitting at home saying, if she is so green, one, how did she end up with this case, and two, i used to watch how to be a millionaire, i would phone a friend, so why has she not phoned a friend? >> i've never seen the millionaire show. what was it called? >> how to be a millionaire. i will send you a link on youtube. >> please do. there are people who can mentor her and answer her questions, and i don't know if she has tried that are not. how does she get this case? well, she's a federal judge in the southern district of florida, and they have a modified lottery system, which assigns cases, mostly, at random, although there is some

weeding within the system. if you became a federal judge tomorrow and you were sitting at the southern district of florida, your ping-pong ball goes into a big hopper, and they turned the handle, and if symone pops out, you are the judge on the case. that is what happened here. >> my goodness, i would phone a friend. alicia, i don't know about you. i would not call alicia, she's not a lawyer, but i would follow her. who do you think i should call? >> i've watched a lot of law and order, i took the lsat, i covered the trump years, i am practically a lawyer at this point. here is the thing, here is the push and pull, chuck rosenberg, which we have talked a lot about as it relates to this case. jack smith wants to keep things moving, and so his competing interests here are a judge, who continues to make questionable judgments, and knowing that if there is any effort to remove

her from the bench, that serves only to slowdown the case, so if you are jack smith, how are you weighing those two realities against each other? >> i do not move to recuse her from the case. number one, i think that is a terrible look for the government. number two, i think it absolutely fails. look, sometimes you get a bad draw, alicia. this is their draw, not to be too cliche, but you have to play the hand you're dealt, and they're going to have to litigate this case in front of judge cannon. hopefully, over time, they can help educate her on the law, and hopefully, over time, she can begin to absorb some of those lessons, but right now, it's not pretty, and that is unfortunate, because cases from a prosecutors perspective do not get better with age. >> the stakes are high, and the fact that it is not pretty is concerning, but i have faith that she will learn on the job. >> learn on the job? why do we not have a trial date here yet? she is also talking about jury

instructions, posttrial things, but there is no trial date. >> there is no trial date, because she's not very good or efficient at managing her docket. again, i have been in front of some very good judges in the eastern district of virginia, superb judges. there is also a culture there known as the rocket docket to move your cases, because the thinking is, and i think it's right, that everybody benefits when cases are resolved. she does not seem to be up to the task. again, to michael's very first point, symone, i don't believe that is bias. this may sound harsh, but it's incompetence. >> well, it also just may be the truth, chuck rosenberg, and that, for me, is refreshing. i don't know about the rest of you, but it hits good here. we appreciate you for coming in, and we will get you that youtube link. that does it for us. that does it for us on the weekend, on this lovely saturday morning. we will see you back here

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