a take the way of forgiveness. it is the better way. >> and every sunday the faithful still fill the pews at the pendleton free methodist church. and a barefoot sprite who loved to dance lives on at least in memory. >> amy's life was great. i think the people who knew her would want to live better lives because of knowing her and knowing who she was. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin, thank you for watching. for watching. >> morning and welcome to this sunday edition of morning joe weekend. it was another fast-moving newsweek and here are some of the key conversations you might have missed. >> through the coming days i will invite president biden to

the oversight committee to provide his testimony and explained why his family received tens of millions of dollars from foreign companies with his assistance. we need to hear it from the president himself. i assure the american people they will be able to evaluate for themselves the president honesty and fitness for the office he now holds. >> is impeachment the next step? i know is up to my johnson, but the margins when you lost kevin mccarthy, ken buck left last week and george santos was ousted. unless you get democratic votes, a kind of seems you are chasing your tail. >> at the end of the week congress is due to go under recess for another two weeks. i do think it just feels like they keep doing the same hearing over and over and people are wondering at some point the official cut the bait and do something about a vote or not and move on to the

general election. >> this is witness testimony and a lot of this is circumstantial. what does the oversight committee need right now to complete the investigation? >> where is the evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the president and how long can you continue this investigation without that evidence? >> i think why we are still here is because people are maybe becoming a little tired of all of this. >> it is just not really fair in left-wing networks, you know, lining up to defend president biden. the mainstream media. >> that was fox news. they were pushing back against house republicans and their impeachment inquiry into president biden. i think even they are getting bored. welcome back to morning joe. joining the conversation we have our special correspondent

and vanity fair and host of the past politics podcast, an msnbc lyrical analyst and associate professor in politics at the university college of london is with us this morning. he is the author of a new book entitled fluke, chance chaos and why everything we do matters. i was saying yesterday when will this end with the hunter biden hankering -- in korea? we were talking to dan goldman and i said what next? what do they have? >> this is one of those examples where if you are the biden white house, you want them to keep going. they make a full of themselves every time. it keeps getting worse and worse. molly, you now have republicans

and you have supporters of donald trump who understand this is hurting the cause. at newsmax and at fox they are saying move along. you are chasing your tail. it is time to fish or cut the bait. you are holding the same hearing over and over. when you start hearing that from your biggest supporters it may be time to move along. >> we call that a vibe shift. i thought aoc was pretty effective when she was asking what is your high crime? they couldn't name a crime. i also think when you have a witness who is testifying from jail that is never an amazing sign. >> your key witness is on the run. an international fugitive who illegally sold uranian oil to the communist chinese party and

illegally sold weapons to terrorists states. you would prefer to have a better lineup of witnesses. >> it is not a great case. there was never a great case here. there was never a high crime. it was always sort of vibes. they were going to find something. aoc said you originally hat one thing and then you changed it because it wasn't working. you cannot do that. i think back to nancy pelosi who was so hesitant to impeach trump. she was so worried about what happened with clinton in the 90s. >> i can tell you, i was there. it just never works. the president always gets more popular. maybe it is americans reflexively say we will take care of this.

brian, on a serious note, and it is hard to be serious about anything that comer does, but there is a chapter in your book about what's happened here. if they would've just kept this on fox news and news matt -- newsmax and kept this in the general ether. if you would've kept having the prima court justice wives talking about arresting the biden crime family and allow that to grow, then it would have continued to impact the campaign. it impacted the polls. this really hurt joe biden and the trustworthiness. they made a mistake. they brought the lies out into the sunlight. talk about the best disinfectant. it has withered away. isn't that fascinating that when you just trade in rumors

the way trump and so many have done you can get away with it. the second you try to prove it, you get your political light knocked to the ground. >> i think this election is going to be decided by people who are not political diehards. there are going to be a people in a few battleground states making decisions closer to the election who will likely tip the scales. you look at what happened yesterday, biden golden analysis billions of dollars in new funding to actually solve problems. you have this endless, repeated hearing that does not produce anything. >> and you also have republicans going to the house floor screaming we are doing nothing. we have done nothing. >> the numbers back this up. in 2000 22/200 bills passed out of the house and became law. there were 27 in 2023.

my favorite is the duck that modernization act. they also renamed a building in michigan. these are not earth shattering things that the house are working on. at some point the people not tuning into fox news and newsmax will say we actually want you to solve problems. if you keep on giving us the smoke and no fire at some point you say we are going to replace you. >> you are saying that they modernize the duck stamp? >> they did indeed. >> i collect stamps. this is big news. >> a significant move in the industry. fdr would be crowd -- proud. >> we have lots more to get to. morning joe weekend continues after a short break . eak . shingles doesn't care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks.

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let's jump back into another one of this weekends conversations with.you just shut it miss. with about eight months to go before a single vote cast donald trump is already claiming novembers presidential election will be rigged against them. you can definitely laugh at that. at the same time it is adding to everything he is bringing to the table in terms of his fascist tendencies. in recent campaign speeches not only has he continued to push the big lie about the last election, he is planting seeds to make the same false claims about the next one. that includes using the phrase too big to rig, based on the idea he needs a lead so large in november no fraudulent activity can erase it. as the wall street journal writes that mine presents some serious messaging challenges for republicans. even as he warns, he is urging

his supporters to participate in it anyway. the paper knows the former president also needs to appeal to moderate and swing voters, yet they could be turned off by his drumbeat of election fraud claims. while the republican party as a whole has made major efforts to encourage mail in an early voting this cycle, trump himself continues to derive those voting methods, brian, even though that is the way he voted numerous times. talk to us if you could, brian, in the concept of even your book how this again is all a part of a dangerous momentum that trump is hoping to build up as he continues to march forward in this presidential election, despite, you would think, for any other candidate on earth, one of his legal challenges would bring him

down. >> we have all the ingredients for something profound and major that will be disastrous for the american democracy and risk of violence. you have an extremist candidate inciting violence. you have extremist in the base being told their political opponents are enemies of the state. that the people who attacked the capital are patriots, even though they have been convicted of crimes gone to jail. one of the key points for anyone who studies political violence will tell you is that you do not need 30% of the population to be galvanized by extremism. you need a small percentage to create massive effects. that is the issue. a relatively small number, even of 1% of his base decides to act you could have very dangerous outcomes. at the moment when we have the highest need for a person to show restraint and use judicious word choice, we have

the most reckless candidate in the history of the united states on the top of the republican party. i worry that we've been lucky so far. i think that everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. yet we have not had as many catastrophic consequences as we could. is that luck at some point going to run out? i hope not. we cannot say we were not warned. it is incredibly obvious what he is doing is pouring gasoline on the fire of the american psyche, particularly in the extremist political right every day that he is on the campaign trail. >> given your extensive research, this is not the first time that we have experienced the medical violence, even in the united states. it was a feature of our system until the civil rights movement. of course other countries have had to deal with it. how are the rest of us to respond? those of us who are committed to american democracy, not just

average people and journalists, but actually institutions. what are specific people supposed to be doing at this point to safeguard the system? >> the lessons of history are when you lose democracy rebuilding it is harder than saving it while you have it. that is why you have to have political discourse tied to a big tent. i think it is crucial when we talk about these things. there are so many people in this country who disagree on healthcare and taxes, and agreed that politicians should be held to higher standards than the rest of us rather than lower. what we've seen over the last eight years as the warping of the political fabric where incitement to violence has become normal. >> you've got billionaires to say i cannot support donald trump. he is just too offensive. and then they come out and say you know what i'm going to support them after all. how do you get from condemning

january 6th and understanding that he tried to overturn american democracy. he tried to overturn an american presidential election. how do you get from that point to go ahead and support him anyway. i do wonder how so many people in this country have just turned their backs on basic democratic concepts? i guarantee you at this table there are a lot of issues we don't agree on. i am a really conservative guy on the border, on a lot of things. yet it is crystal clear to us, we will sort out our differences. we will figure out how to meet in the middle and to what this

country have done for 240 years. all right, since 1965. but the question is, i want to say it politely, i can't. what happened? the lie is always you know what, these are heroin addicts in central ohio. no, it is not. it is billionaires in palm beach. i am so sick and tired of people. it is people driving around their roles versus that made $50 million yesterday on the stock market who are voting for a fascist, a guy who talks like a fascist. a guy who tried to overturn american democracy. moved to the maladies if you don't want to pay the taxes. don't help this guy get elected. >> the problem that they are totally duped on is they think

that the crazy is going to stay on the crazy side of things and not affect the economy. authoritarian to them is really bad for business. >> we made a mistake with these billionaires. we have talked about how this is a threat to democracy. but molly, and i will say i am a really conservative guy. i like capitalism. capitalism works in this country and has helped to elevate more people out of poverty than any other system known to mankind. even when i say mankind my daughter would be so angry. this is the thing they don't understand. trump is not just a threat to democracy. he is a threat to american capitalism because he is a

threat to the rule of law that any company comes to the united states will tell you. they come here because they know the ground rules. >> i say this is the granddaughter of a communist, married to a venture capitalist. i believe in capitalism too. >> i just got dizzy. >> i am starting to have some vision. >> trump doesn't believe in capitalism, he believes in crony capitalism. his friends he elevates. he was never a good businessman. he's not elevating the best people. >> these billionaires know that. a lot of them are self-made people who started out with nothing and have become very wealthy. and the bros in silicon valley are some of the most hostile because they support the crony

capitalism overwhelmingly. >> history is littered with rich people who thought authoritarian would be okay to them. we've seen it again and again. i think when you talk about someone who has come out, he's done a whole miniature recently where he said he does not want to vote for biden because he feels he is not as sharp as donald trump, which is a completely wild statement. a lot of these people think this crony capitalism will work for them. they will get the tax cuts and they can keep going. i think history has proven this is not how any of this work. >> trump is that i'm going to pick winners and losers. if you are a company insufficiently loyal i am going to attack. >> maybe some of them are acting out of fear.

i just think it is pure selfishness and pure greed. i think there should be more social shaming about it. if you are wealthy you more than any other boater have the ability to take one for the team. how much money is enough? vote for american democracy. it is in your long-term best interest. >> don't if i take one for the team, help yourself. >> or your grandkids. >> they don't think like that. help your bottom line, help your shareholders. this guy is not only going to be bad for american democracy he is going to be terrible for american capitalism. as the wall street journal editorial page. >> they are in denial if they think the goose steps will stop at their door. >> he planted the seed in 2016 and carried it out in 2020.

he is going to do so again. we have heard from those who used to work from him -- for him saying this man is dangerous. there was a striking moment that i didn't think got nearly the pickup. his former vice president mike pence, a man who raised his hand and said i will support whoever the nominee is, now that the representative -- nominee as donald trump says i cannot go there. >> mike pence, part of the reason he didn't support him is because trump inside of a mob that wanted to kill him. the finality of crazy that has taken hold in this country is unbelievable. things are what command weeks of coverage in any other administration our blips. >> coming up we will explain double haters and why they could be the most important voting bloc in the upcoming election. upcoming election. me squinting?

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>> in the new article who will win the biden-trump double haters? you write the so-called double haters might be the most important voting bloc this year. in case you missed the memo double haters are voters who don't like donald trump or joe biden. it's hard for me to imagine he can invoke the intense hatred inspired by other candidates like hillary clinton or trump. it is probably easier to stay mad at trump. not only are his words and actions more egregious, they are also hard to avoid. mac continues regardless of who ultimately wins or loses the rise of this cohort is significant because of what it

says about the sad state of modern american politics. i would add to that a very loud echoing of disinformation coming not just from donald trump, but all the different branches of our society that will he has working for him. >> right. for that reason and many more yeah have the so-called double haters. i have always been fascinated by people who used to target nancy pelosi for 30 years and hillary clinton for 30 years. now aoc and all these other people. i kept wondering how are they going to do this to joe biden? he's this guy from delaware that was criticized for being too easy on banks and credit card companies and corporations over his cynic compare -- career. how are they going to turn them into this left-wing monster?

they have somehow managed to do that. you do have these double haters, which really goes to, as you said, the rise of negative partisanship, which now really defined so much of our political system. in this case you are so right. explain how the winner of this election will be the person who gets the so-called double haters more of that vote to vote for them. >> i think that is exactly right. part of it is the sheer size. every four years we obsess over undecided voters. how are the undecided voters going to break? traditionally undecided voters are 10% or 11% of the electorate. these double haters are double that. it is about 19%, about a fifth of the electorate are people dissatisfied with either donald

trump or joe biden. i think very clearly as golda double haters so goes the election. my personal bet, as we were alluding to, if it is a binary choice, it voters are forced to choose between trump or joe biden, i think that goes to biden's benefit. i think it is easier to hate donald trump. at the end of the day forced to choose a binary choice between biden and trump a lot of folks will hold their nose and vote for biden as the lesser of two evils. where this gets messy, and if you are democrats where this gets scary is the proposition that there won't be a binary choice. that there will be a third party candidate who runs. in a binary state we know it is about the electoral college.

somebody who gives these double haters an out. they don't have to vote for biden or trump. they can go with the third option. i think that is what democrats have to take very seriously. >> matt, what do we know about these voters? i've seen some focus groups where the double haters go the way you are suggesting and end up leaning toward the biden side. are these people who voted for biden in 2020 and therefore he needs to win back or are they old trump supporters? do we have a sense of who they are? >> i think first of all one question would be are they independent? i think most of these folks are people who did vote in the past for biden or donald trump. in the case of donald trump i think that it was probably january 6th that was the event that pushed many of them away from the republican party.

they were willing to stick with trump there a lot of things. i think january 6th was a bridge too far for many of these double haters. in the case of joe biden i think that it is probably a lot of young voters who frankly feel there is the age issue. obviously things like inflation, the border. whatever the case may be, i would say a majority of these folks are not people that are undecided independent voters. these are folks who previously voted for one of the two. they just need to come home and be given a permission to come home. that is why the third-party possibility is very dangerous. i think the third-party is probably more likely to hurt joe biden disproportionately. and a warning from the cbc on the rise on the number of cases of measles. we will be joined by a top

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>> welcome back. in the san francisco bay area health officials are warning about a possible measles exposure at a restaurant over the weekend. the warning comes days after the cdc issued an alert over the growing number of cases in the u.s. this year the d.a. cases have been reported

nationwide. that is the same number for all of 2023. that number is expected to rise as families travel for spring break. a couple things to talk about this morning, but first what do you make of this up to? >> good morning. it is not surprising. we expected it at the time. it will continue to increase. there is now a growing number of parents that have decided to not vaccinate. luckily for the country there is widespread immunity against measles. most of society has been vaccinated. the chance for a major outbreak is unlikely. the chance that we are still talking about this and that this number continues to climb

is worrisome. to counter this notion that parents should make their own decision about whether they should get their child vaccinated, we are talking about pediatric cases here, as kids are at the highest risk. what is really worrisome is 1-5 unvaccinated kids who contract measles end up in the hospital. to any public health official making this voluntary like the surgeon general in florida, that is a member that needs to worry us. 20% end up in the hospital. >> are we making a connection to politics? bottom line, less people getting the vaccines they need? >> yes. we are not just saying this when it comes to the measles. we are seeing this with the flu or any number of respiratory viral vaccines. this is a problem that will get worse over time. with measles the high hospitalization rates if you are unprotected is really worrisome. i think we have a full screen

for your viewers that we can share. for those who don't need a vaccine if you are born before 1957 you are likely protected. prior to -- prior measles, you are protected. that is important to know, whether or not you have protection antibodies in the blood. for those who have only received one shot, talk to your medical provider. if you are unvaccinated and pregnant, talk to your medical provider. if you are traveling for spring break with your child and they are 2 and they have gotten one shot, it is okay to get the second shot earlier. >> i want to ask about ozempic and other weight loss drugs. there is a study from johns hopkins that points to shortages for those who need it. these drugs are not specifically for weight loss,

but are being used for it. can you give me a sense of what is happening? the study was 1800 people. are these shortages real? what are these drugs used for for their primary use? >> this is really important. the other leading health story that we are talking about, these medications are called gop's for sure. effectively they can treat type two diabetes. in some cases if you are overweight and have a bmi greater than 30 now we have these medications that are on the market. the indication is actually weight loss. the problem that you are highlighting is the list price is $1000 per month, 10 times what we are seeing in other

countries. it is been marked up here in the united states. it is unfortunate. that is causing people like in this study in johns hopkins, that look the people that will qualify, only about 2% are actually getting affordable access. here we are talking, the pharmaceutical companies releasing press release after press release talking about how amazing these drugs are. we're talking 100 million people across the country could benefit. a very small percentage have access. that is the problem. it is because the list price is so high insurance companies are saying we are not going to cover it. >> one last question. is it a balance because the obesity crisis is so severe. it is an epidemic and it too is a serious health problem. there is something more uniform on the grand scale the needs to

happen with the price of these drugs and their availability? >> absolutely. the inflation reduction act will allow congress to talk about negotiating drug pricing but will not happen until about 2027. critically we will have oral doses of these drugs and that will lower the price point as well. to your point is there a balance? yes. the entire country that otherwise has diabetes or you folks that are overweight started these medications at the current risk price it will cost $1 trillion per year. that is not sustainable. there will be off ramps in terms of new oral medications that do the same thing to lower the price point. we also have to consider federal action. >> dr. vin gupta, thank you very much for coming on. we will be following both those stories. our next guest says raising

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>> it is sometimes easy to forget we are also picking a president with all of the high stakes that that means. stakes that that means. >> welcome back, there is a new trend emerging surrounding birthrights in many western countries, including the united states. >> interestingly enough, now china has a real plan. >> according to data from the u.s. census bureau u.s. population last year was only half that of the global average. the american so-called baby bus is the focus of a new book entitled family unfriendly: how our culture made raising kids much harder than it needs to be. joining us now a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute and a columnist at the washington examiner. >> tim, thank you for being

with us. i am so excited about your book being released. we talked about alienated america. i thought that was so important, looking at the big picture and looking at things like charges, synagogues, places of worship across america where the pews had emptied out and left, again, an alienated-isolated america. you not take it from these organizations, religious or nonreligious. you come into the family and you follow-up on what many people have been writing about for the past 40-50 years. you really bring it in to a sharp focus. talk about some of the challenges that parenting is facing today. >> when you look at the fact that we have an epidemic in childhood anxiety. you mentioned the birthrates,

all of those are symptoms of a culture that family is unfriendly. raising children always involved community support. the way that i put it in the book is we have let the logic of capitalism seeking to our social arrangements. we have societal trust that is low. we are not relational, we are transactional. you even see it in things like youth sports. the local little league coach by volunteers has given way to travel sports, intensive and expensive. all the helicopter parenting, the tutoring, it is almost my parenting has become a competitive thing. that is not good for anyone. >> i look back at my childhood, raised by my parents. by the way, i could go anywhere in my town where i didn't see friends of mine parents, my little league coaches, football

coaches, my sunday school teachers. you go down the list. when hillary clinton said it takes a village i thought that's kind of how my brother and sister are not survived. a teacher say, joey, what are you doing! my sunday school teacher looking at me going really? you are going to do that? that is how we were raised, as a community. >> absolutely. it takes a village is a line that appears again and again in my book. the human species is not meant to be raised by two parents. the family needs support. uni men touring. you need older kids to be the babysitters and older parents to say you know the one little milestone you're worried about or the thing you are buying for their butts, it is totally unnecessary. these are the sorts of things that really matters.

my wife and i, we've done that. you over parent and somebody says you've got to start worrying about that. let them ride their bikes until the streetlights come on. all of that requires the final report. what i tried to do is not just give tips to parents. my wife and i have six kids, but also to say you need the social infrastructure to help. one example is smart phones. i think that smart phones are really bad for kids. i talked to so many parents who say i didn't want to give my kids a smart phone or snapchatter instagram messenger is the only way they communicate. i realize how much it takes to keep smart phones away from your kids. you need a school that says don't bring them in. any parent say we are not giving them to them. parents cannot do the struggles alone. that anxiety is not about individual parenting practice. it is about social support for families and that is what is

lacking. >> it is so true, give your child social media the day you want his or her childhood to end. it is so problematic. this argument that i've got to get my kid an iphone, the latest iphone so that he or she can decay. give them a flip phone that ousted number. have it on speed dial. i want to talk also, maybe people watching, you have two parents engaged. i was lucky enough to have two parents engaged. we are a village. we are all together, but i want to talk about the importance. i've seen it as a football coach and a baseball coach. i'm sure you've seen it too. there will be a time when a kid comes onto your team. maybe he or she only has one

parent and an absentee parent who may be abusive or something like that. i have seen how mentors, football coaches, sunday school teachers, how teachers in high school through extraordinary love, effort and support hatfield not perfectly, but the older back at to tell the child in a broken home i believe in you. you can make it. i am behind you every step of the way. talk about that and how important it is. >> it has to be relational. in other words you can and in a lot of places you have county government and social services assign somebody that is a professional to try to help this kid. so much of it has to be someone embedded in a community who is going to be there. you talk about the coaches in the mentors. there is social science data in my book that points to exactly that.

the ability of children to rise out of poverty. they can do it if they do not have a pair of married parents. there has to be a robust community. social capital, a bunch of other people around them. that is a predictor of children rising up out of poverty. it is not something that you can replace that is just explained by money. it is explained by community support. just keeping marriages together. some of the organizations that have done the best helping struggling marriages have been based on building community around families. that is exactly what people need to raise their kids, support. one more note on social media. people say the medium is the message. i think the message of social media is basically you are alone. you should compare yourself to these other people. maybe these other kids had a party and didn't invite you. it is really saddening and

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>> welcome back to the second hour of morning joe weekend. let's jump back into some of the important conversations we have this week. >> you have been in the middle of quite a few political

campaigns. what a nightmare, and i'm being serious here. what a nightmare it has to be being a part of donald trump's campaign. being grossly underfunded and knowing that trump has put his family in charge of the rnc. being a republican candidate down ballot. i been one of those before. you are just praying the rnc can help you out. knowing all of that money is going for a guy who is just completely beyond cash- strapped. for a lot of legitimate reasons. a lot of billionaires would not have $500 million lying around, but they are really leveraging his campaign for his personal use. these are the sorts of things that may not show up in stupid

poles. this is the stuff that as you make that final turn after labor day, this is when things start unfolding. i'm not saying this is going to happen, but i thought stuart stevens had pretty good insight. he said everybody is talking about how this race looks right now. steward, and he knows a thing or two about campaigns, he says it's looking like 1980 in reverse. jimmy carter and ronald reagan too close to call and things just flipped near the end. that is was the worst in us. if you look at how things are lining up, man, if you look at any of the fundamentals about politics this looks like stuart may be onto something.

play steward really quickly and we will talk about it. >> my image of the trump campaign is someone walking around with a paper bag filled with water. i don't think it's going to lee, but i think when it goes is going to go quickly. i think there is a good chance that we will have a situation like 1980 in reverse were carter was tight with reagan until the middle of october and in the bottom fell out for carter. >> i always tell my kids if things look like they are too good to be true, they are too good to be true. if you are looking at something that just doesn't make sense, there is a reason. here we are looking at something that makes no sense. this guy is getting crazier by the day. he's got no money. the campaign is just broke. he is down 200,000 contributors where he was this time four years ago. biden has raised $71 million. people are literally begging,

and any idiot that runs some podcasts, they are calling contributors and saying how can i help? i want to write checks for joe biden. put that number up again. what a tip o'neill say about money in politics? it's the mother's milk. right now joe biden has all he wants and donald trump is a little thirsty. here is the most important thing, it is the small donors too. why? because i've always talked about my grandmom giving money to the ptl club. at some point you figure out what jim and tammy faye are really up to. in this case they know if they are running $25 checks to donald trump it is not going to make america great again. it is going to donald trump's lawyers. >> if the polls were right, why

is joe biden getting a lot of money? some of it is big checks, some a small donor. donald trump is not getting anything. we don't talk enough about trumps weaknesses in the fundamentals of his campaign are very weak. it's like he has 91 counts against him, he doesn't have any money, four indictments, trials that he's trying to balance and he has to raise half a million dollars by monday. i bet you will agree, the polls might not change in biden favor until the fall. that is when people will start to pay attention. >> just as people understand i am old enough to remember this, we went into the final weekend, there was a time magazine they came out back when we had magazines. when we were younger people and we had magazines to read.

on friday before the tuesday election in 1980 nobody knew if jimmy carter was going to win or ronald reagan. it just collapsed over the weekend. you look at the fundamentals, you look at the economy, and we are going to show an ad. are you better off than you were four years ago? yes you are, unless you are donald trump. the money, the economy, you name it. this week we find out jerome powell is only three interest rate cuts. by the way, if anybody is going he's whistling past the graveyard, no i'm not. i'm just telling you. you look at the fundamentals, it doesn't make sense that donald trump is going to pull this off at the end. he doesn't have money. >> why money is so important

for botta right now, he is the one that we need to hear more about. he is on the air right now reaching the voters that were for him in '20, telling them what they need to know in march about what he has accomplished. what are all of these accomplishments going to break through? starting now, because now they can put these ads on the air. >> a big question, will trump out the money to go on the air in july, august, september and october? at the rate he's going maybe something will dramatically change. looking back at 2020, his lack of being on the air is what a lot of analysts contribute to certain ground states. he can get those numbers up dramatically, he's going to fall victim to the same pattern. >> we have a lot more to get to.

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>> welcome back to morning joe weekends. let's pick back up on the conversation we were having before the break. >> i see the disinfectant. is there a way that we can do something like that. >> on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate your response? >> i would rate it a 10. >> what you say to americans who are scared? >> i will say that you are a terrible reporter. >> i don't take responsibility at all. i think we are doing really well. >> how? >> they are dying. it is what it is. >> the only thing that is missing is donald trump telling bob woodward he could've told the american people about this months before the pandemic

began. >> but he didn't want to. he also spent a lot of time running around four years ago talking about how it's only two people coming in from china. he also said president xi did a remarkable job. donald trump four years ago was thanking president xi for doing such a great job with covid. >> it is kind of remarkable how much this election will hinge on whether or not trump is blamed for the last year of his presidency. in his retelling is presidency ended in february 2020. everything after that he doesn't want to talk about. he doesn't say it is his fault. covid never happens in his

retelling. obviously we are in that place where we can look back and say it was actually the state that you promised this virus was under control and there were only 14 cases in america. it was on the state that you suggested maybe an injection of bleach into the lungs may be effective in combating covid. we are going to have this over and over. the last nine months of his presidency before the election were horrifying for america objectively. mass deaths, an incredible amount of joblessness. it won't be the deciding issue, but it will be one of the deciding issues. how much voters both recall that year and what it was like and how much they blame trump for that year. he's going to have to do a lot to convince this wasn't my fault. >> he can't. democrats do not think he did enough.

of course he had these absolutely insane press conferences. republicans think that he did too much. lots of luck with that. ron desantis just kept hammering him for doing too much. ordering florida and other states shut down. good luck with that. donnie, we have given you an awful lot to chew on. i want to bring up one issue that alex brought to my attention that is an issue that would normally hurt democrats, a social issue that we would normally hurt democrats. it is of course on the front page on the newspaper of record for morning joe. the new york post , on fly. any other election cycle, it wasn't in 18, 20 or 22, it would hurt democrats. if i am a democrat running for office i pick up a paper, if i

were a democrat running for office i will be carrying this around all day. look at what the republicans are doing to you. donald trump said, and by the way this is for you at home, can i get a tj camera? >> not yet. not the second. >> he's in his underwear at home. i was afraid that i was picking up a director that matters. tj has been with us for 20 years, by the way. he's family. i work will carry this around. see this headline? the only thing the post didn't tell you is donald trump said

blame me for this. donald trump said kill the bill and blame me for everything that happens after this point. donald trump said blame me. yes, donald, we are blaming you. we are blaming mike johnson for following your orders. we are blaming the republicans who begged for a top border bill. like the wall street journal editorial page said could not take yes for an answer. yes, there is an onslaught at the southern border still. it is all donald trump's fall. do you know who says that? donald trump. donald trump says blame him for this. so we will.

>> if there were a wall up there it will be an nonissue. he didn't build the wall. he couldn't get it done. >> i'm going to hold up a paper of record awful to show that i could not agree with you more. >> colgate versus chris, like getting his space out. that is so much easier to do. >> i think immigration is the issue. you talk to people and what they are so upset about is there taking $1 billion out of the new york city budget to take care of illegal immigrants and you have less teachers and less police officers. that hits you in the gut. the answer is the democrats have to be offensive. tom's quasi-basically did this. he was a democrat running against a very good candidate.

he said look, the democrats are the ones who want to put this problem bed. the democrats have the toughest immigration bill in an generation and donald trump told the republicans don't vote for it. this is the issue that i believe is hitting people in the gut in addition to abortion. >> he also said blame me for killing the immigration bill. blame me for everything that happened. just like on abortion he said he was the one that terminated roe versus wade. >> those are the two benchmarks, abortion and immigration. i think those are the two guttural issues and you have to go offensive and say guess what, donald trump is the blame for a woman's lack of a right to choose. at the same time, republicans are the ones to blame on immigration. it is not joe biden's fall.

>> who said that? >> donald trump. the wall street journal editorial page. and it's not like they didn't warn them. the editorial page was begging them pass this bill. again, we have to remember whose bill this was. this was not aoc's bill. this was james lankford. >> and katie britt was a part of that effort too. >> it is actually breaking through in polling. it is so hard for brydon -- biding to breakthrough. that is why the money is important. that is how you bring the people back home. the other think it is hard to do is get in direct conflict with trump and having that direct contrast. by going to the border by was able to do that. he went to the border, trump

follows him and it broke through. 63% of americans show they think the blame the republicans. i think when people talk about immigration as the biggest issue is causing chaos in a lot of lives in a lot of different states. that is the fundamental argument at large. they cannot govern. they have put their extremist agenda on top of everything. that just makes the whole argument against trump, if you now take immigration as a vulnerability, lifted onto his hand and made a part of the fundamental argument. >> i don't know if you know this or not, i don't like to say it. >> were you in congress? >> i was. >> can you ring the bell. >> i know him so well. >> the breakthrough in my

campaign, because nobody knew who i was. in the primary somebody ran an full-page ad and there were four woes of my opponent. nothing else. my opponent's words, which he did not play well. none of them played well for the electorate and it made a huge difference. there is nothing more powerful than using other people's words against them. when you in a political campaign have donald trump saying blame me for the border. when you have donald trump saying i terminated roe versus wade. when you have republicans going to the house floor screaming we have done nothing. i think i saw a clip in pg is now saying that this republican

house is a failure. they are giving democrats the words they need. >> up next, senator elizabeth warren is standing by and join the conversation went morning joe comes right back. right bac

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♪♪ >> obamacare is a disaster. i hope they end it. >> it will be so good if they end it. end it. 's >> and this year a record number of americans signed up for coverage under the landmark healthcare law. apparently they like their healthcare. joining us now is elizabeth warren from massachusetts. she serves as a board member for the biden-harris campaign.

great to have you back on the show, senator. we can out the border, now guns, roe, the aca. these are issues republicans seem to find themselves on the wrong side of as it pertains to most americans. how can the campaign really drill down in the months to come? >> i have to say that i love that ad. happy 14th birthday affordable care act. we could do bulldozing candles. what joe biden is doing in that ad is saying two things. i want everybody in america to understand what is on the line. this is literally about life and death. the second thing joe biden is doing is saying i will fight. i will fight not for giant

corporations and big insurance companies. not for billionaires who don't want to pay taxes. i will fight for you so that you have health care coverage. that is true if you are one of the 20 million people getting their healthcare through the affordable care act directly. it is also true if you're one of those people under the age of 26 still getting healthcare because you are on your parents plan. it is true if you are somebody with a pre-existing condition. always remember before the affordable care act those insurance companies discriminate against women for being women, they discriminated against people with asthma, diabetes, people with heart conditions. all of that have gone away. joe biden says i am going to fight for your access to healthcare. go, joe biden. >> is all about preserving and protecting in this race. preserving and protecting our democracy, our healthcare where you will lose it like we have

lost women's healthcare, abortion rights, abortion healthcare right. >> on this one, it is important to remember this isn't just handwaving about what is at risk. here in the ad in donald trump's own words. remember, we for the first time in a long time are going to have two people running for president, both of whom have been president. what the donald trump do while he was president? well, he got a extremist supreme court in the rollback roe versus wade. the biggest tax cut in a zillion years mostly sucks up by giant corporations, millionaires and billionaires. he came within one vote of repealing the affordable care act. i remember that night, being on the floor. the house had voted, the republican house to repeal the affordable care act.

i remember what they did after they voted to repeal. they went to the white house lawn to celebrate with donald trump. they drank beer and they raised toast for taking away healthcare from millions of americans. it comes over to the senate, no one is sure the count. there aren't enough democrats to stop it. we've got to have a little bit of republican help. it all comes down to john mccain. i watched him as he walked down, walked away, came back. mike pence was there. they took them out into the hallway to try to twist his arm to make sure he voted to repeal healthcare. finally he walks back in. talk about a moment where your heart is pumping. he holds his hand up and votes no that he will not repeal the affordable care act. understand this, that is how close we came. joe biden is reminding us of that. your health, the health of

someone you love is on the ballot in 2024. >> it is the top of the hour and we are speaking with senator elizabeth warren. it is the 14th anniversary of the affordable care act being launched. we are talking about healthcare in jeopardy in this present election and how women's healthcare has quite frankly been thrown out of the window. tuesday the supreme court oral argument. again, do you think in vivid reality maybe finally more americans who already were for the most part on the side of a woman having the right to choose what to do with her body. are they beginning to understand in vivid detail that abortion is healthcare. it can save a life, save the ability to have future pregnancies. it can save a woman from

profound trauma. it can save an abnormal fetus from coming to terms and dying a slow and painful death. it is real, healthcare. >> that is the part since this extremist supreme court, put in place by donald trump has repealed roe versus wade for the first time in our history that a constitutionally protected right has been taken away from half of our population. i think more and more people have read the stories. have heard the stories from friends, from neighbors, have experienced it themselves and said wait a minute, what these republicans are doing, yes, it is about termination of a pregnancy, but it is about healthcare overall. it means there are doctors right now today down in texas going through the calculation of this is what i would do

because you are here. you have a terrible problem. this pregnancy needs to be terminated. because some politician has made the decision about your healthcare, i am not able to do it. here are doctors saying what is my workaround? how close to death do you have to be before i can provide this service? should i tell you to get in a car and travel several hours to go to another state where you can get the care that you need? this is fundamentally, if you believe healthcare should be about a patient and a doctor and that's it. >> coming up, why disrupting our daily routines can have profoundly positive impacts on our lives. we will explain that ahead. we will explain that ahead.

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>> mother is picking up a novel, trying out a new sport or expanding your pallet our next guest says there is actually scientific evidence behind the positive effects of breaking up your daily routine. joining us now is the coauthor of the new book entitled look again, the power of noticing what was always there. i like the concept. i think it has to do with the

brain being challenged to try new things, right? memory games or am i almost -- completely off? >> you are completely right. the thing about the human brain and the canine and equine brain is that it divorce to what it is supposed to. if you going to coldwater it's like oh my gosh, but after a while you are not going to notice that it is cold. that is true of fantastic things and horrible things where the brain is decreasingly sensitive to the same stimulus in which it is exposed. >> your thesis is that this could lead to more joy in one's life. if that a scientific assessment for your take? >> it is a scientific assessment. my coauthor is a neuroscientist. here is data supportive of the basic claim. the best time on a vacation is

not the fourth day, not the fifth, not the six. it's 43 hours in. after that it is downhill. that doesn't mean people do not like a beautiful beach on day three or four were really nice hotel or champagne, it is that the first days are the really best days and 43 hours in is when you are not discombobulated and really loving it. think about that as a metaphor for things generally. if we are exposed to something that repeats, after a while it turns gray. that is literally true if you are seeing a cloud of colors and staring in the center. after a while the colors will disappear and they will turn gray. that is kind of like life. if you move your head, you are going to see the color again. the basic idea is move your head. you will see a lot of colors you have stopped envisioning. >> i think i have this.

i am a bit worried that you are advocating for very short holidays. as a european i don't like the idea. i'm worrying that this will set us up for the permanent search for something that is going to fill the void. last summer i took a ballet dancing again. what i am worried about now hearing this, and i'm absolutely loving it, but i'm worried that after a few months i will get bored of my ballet classes which are bringing me so much joy at the moment and i'm going to have to go and take up something completely different. how do we stop ourselves from permanently needing something new to feel the sense of joy? >> we don't want people jumping like a grasshopper from one spot to another. you are completely right on that. what we do want to emphasize is if you are exposed to something that is really good and it is stopping to be seen as really

good. try a mental exercise. gratitude exercises have this feature where you think i am kind of lucky that i get to have a stable job, friends i really like. i have a partner who can stand me. the mental exercise even is thrilling for many. to do something new, maybe this summer taking up something will give variety to life and make it when you go back to the things you standardly do, it will have tuxedos on it and start to respond. >> still ahead, we will speak with a delegate who represents the u.s. virgin islands on whether congress can get anything done in this election year. election year. step back out there, with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra helps prevent asthma attacks. most patients did not have an attack in the first year.

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it is good to have you on the show. i am curious, trumps influence on leaders in congress. your fellow members of congress has already stymied legislation, foreign aid, and committees have been used to go after the biden family. what do you say to this threat from within that trump creates within our politics? what can be done? >> thanks so much and i'm so glad to be here this morning. we see it every day in washington, every day in committees where we are not doing the business the american people have sent us there to do. where we are not able to pass legislation that we would normally pass. we are about to potentially do a stopgap legislation, continuing resolution for an entire rest of the year for defense spending, department of

homeland security, labor, health and human services as well as foreign aid. that is outrageous. the fact that the republican party could not agree on defense spending, could not agree on homeland security spending. and wait, why can't they agree on homeland security? because the border bill that was negotiated by a conservative senate republican as well as the democrats has been told don't pass the bill by donald trump. i need to use the border as a leverage point during election. therefore, nothing is done. at the same time committees that should be doing the work of the american people are engaged in years long investigations of the biden family with exculpatory evidence given by the individuals they thought were going to be witnesses or their star witness being indicted for

lying about what he is doing. they still will not let it go. there is no work being done in washington right now. >> possibly the government could shut down on friday if a deal is not reached. you just mentioned that republicans on the hill are taking marching orders from donald trump. they are standing in opposition to funding aid to ukraine because trump has suggested he doesn't want that either. tell us how disturbed are you these men and women elected to serve their constituents are in washington, but taking their cues from someone who we have been playing all morning has been talking about a bloodbath if he doesn't win and saluting a national anthem done by january 6th convicts? >> the highest ranking republican in the house calls those individuals hostages as well. it is the entire co-opting of the republican party. it is no longer functionable.

that is what republicans who think they want to put donald trump back in need to understand. that is not what is going to happen. you think your 401(k)s and investments are going to do well at donald trump is in office? nothing in the country will come to a screeching halt at the behest of one individual who is solely interested in his own power, his own finances and that of the members of his family. >> delegate plaskett, you are on intelligence and one of the things that i think people are not aware of as well is we have a situation now that is great in haiti. we have the situation in the sudan, we have the situation in last night that wants to remove american presence. china and russia is all over the african continent. we have a presidential

candidate that has called haiti and those african countries s- hole" countries. i see where the u.s. congress will not give the budget king and needs. tell us how tenuous we are in these situations that could explode at any moment? >> members of congress, the democratic caucus are trying to do what america does, which is to be a leader. which is not just to support other countries, but to support our own national security interests. that is what funding the ukraine does for us. with regard to haiti, we recognize there is $40 million sitting and waiting to be approved by one individual who needs to sign off and that is the chair of the foreign affairs committee. he will not sign off so that

the kenyans can receive the funding they need to bring troops, to bring stability to haiti so that they can then create that transitional government that they are working on and ensure there are elections and quell the gangs. if that does not happen when we will see is a resurgence of migrants coming to the border from haiti, which is exactly what the republicans want. to continue the narrative they already have about the border being chaotic. much of the chaos, and we know now, is being driven by them not willing to sit down, not willing to negotiate. not willing to do what is necessary to protect those other nations and individuals in their countries so they are not coming to our border. >> coming up we talk with one of the stars of a new apple tv plus series that takes a look at the haves and the have-nots of 1960s palm beach high society. gh society.

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>> i had only been in palm beach two weeks, but i already knew the palm royale, the most exclusive club in the world was where i belonged. >> you are the woman to know in palm beach. if that was part of the trailer of the new apple tv plus series featuring kristen wiig and a

star-studded cast. palm rail takes a comedic look inside the deadly serious social scene of palm beach, florida. it is set in the year 1969. the character scheme, cheat and lie in order to climb their way to the top of the country club. joining us now one of the costars, josh lucas. that looks like a lot of fun. >> we have some of the greatest times of my career. i think that i can speak for the rest of the cast. it was stacked with some of the best comedic talent and acting talent in the business. laura darren and her father worked together for the first time and the incredible carol burnett, who gives a pretty remarkable performance. for most of it she is in a coma.

we think we have something really special here, something that we all really love. >> as you said out you illuminated test the connection this paul morreale has to a place we talk about a lot on the show. >> mar-a-lago. we created a piece of what i think is a wildly fun, silly entertainment. the under core of the show is the reality that palm beach, florida, particularly in the 1960s was filled with the extreme wealth of america that were totally disconnected from the realities happening around them in the civil rights movement, though women's rights movement. laura darren's character is a woman who comes from that society, but has sort of rejected it and wants to be a part of the civil rights movement and the women's rights movement. she challenges the character. all of it is done with a light touch, but i think there is a satire, a deep satire attempting to say where we were

and obviously the palm royale, the fictional beach club that we exist in there, that the whole show is about how they basically out rich each other. it was true back in the day that they would have these insane parties that would each week they would try to spend more money for no reason other than to be more rich than the other person. >> they were pretty much insensitive to the rest of society struggling to make ends meet. it was a battle between the elites, and i would argue it has been inherited by the mar-a- lago psychology today. >> absolutely. they were not just insensitive to it, they could care less about it. it didn't exist. it was a part of their world, which i think you could easily say is still going on. the palm royale is a fictional

beach club. the reality is the beach club the show is based on, the real one became mar-a-lago. this world that these people have, that they end up having these parties that are totally out of touch with what is going on in the rest of the country. frankly they do so with glee. >> lee is a good word and there is a lot of buzz around the series. >> that is all the time we have. we are right back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern to kick off a brand-new week of morning joe. msnbc the weekend picks up a coverage next. enjoy the rest of your sunday. . good morning, it is sunday, march 24, i'm in new york with simone sanders thompson and michael steele in washington, d.c. today, donald trump has near hours to come up