our border is bigger. up until recently they were over stays, so it is a national address to meet the needs of the american people in the workforce that we desire. >> i appreciate this ongoing discussion. the coming up. donald trump has one day to pay his bond. that is not even the only business he has in court tomorrow. we are going to talk about both cases that will be pulling defendant trump's attention away from the campaign trail. are democrats playing with fire by boosting radical maga candidates in the hope they will easily beat them in the general election? a key republican talking

point is making its way in. we will debunk this with facts that even your maga loving uncle cannot deny. that is all coming up on another hour of "velshi." which begins right now. now. first, trump places an important and costly deadline in his civil fraud case in new york. unless the appellant court steps income he's got to put up upon for the roughly half billion dollar penalty that he owes as a result of the judgment handed down last monthe against him and his business. last week the former president's lawyers told the court that obtaining a bond for the massive some was a practical impossibility. 30 insurance companies were

unable or unwilling to help trump secure the bond he um needed, especially since the bulk of his assets are in real estate, which many don't accept as collateral. two days ago trump posted on true social that he has nearly $500 million in cash, a claim that we can only take at face value right now. if trump is indeed unable to submit a bond and no other last- minute deal is struck, new york mes has previously said that she's prepared to seize the former president's assets. the question then becomes, how soon she will start that process. meanwhile trump will travel from florida to new york tonight as he's expected to attend court tomorrow for a hearing related to the criminal case brought against him by the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. nearly a full year ago bragg indicted trump for allegedly covering up a payoff to avoid a potential scandal just days before the 2016 election. it was the one criminal case against trump that appeared on track to be headed to trial as scheduled, but it was delayed

earlier this month because of a tranche of more than 100,000 pages of potentially relevant documents that it only recently been turned over. the presiding judge has called the hearing to get some clarity about how and why that potential evidence was not turned over sooner. tomorrow's hearing will help determine if the trial can in proceed in mid april, or if it warrants further delay. trump's lawyers have taken advantage of this moment as an opportunity to request the trial to be pushed back by up to 90 days, or that the judge dismissed the charges entirely. both of these new york cases carry great personal, professional, and political risk for the presumptive gop nominee for entirely different reasons. they represent two of trump's worst fears, a criminal prosecution, and the perception that he's not as wealthy or successful as he's claimed to be for decades. while the former president and his legal team have had some

success in slowing down progress in his other criminal cases, it still seems likely that this criminal trial in new york may take place before the summer. it raises the possibility that donald trump could be a convicted felon by the time voters head to the polls on election day. meanwhile, tomorrow's expensive deadline for his bond has ad exposed the depth of his financial troubles. as the washington post points out, trump can file for bankruptcy, his companies have done so six times in the past to ease the financial burden that he's facing, but those close to him say that he's not considering that approach. partially out of concern that it could damage his campaign to recapture the white house from president biden in november. while recent polling continues to show that the race remains highly competitive, president biden is pulling far ahead in one other important metric. according to reports recently filed with the federal election commission, president biden reported $71 million cash in hand, that's more than double the 33 1/2 million dollars

reported by trump's campaign. joining me now is catherine christian, a former assistant district attorney in manhattan and and msnbc legal analyst. and jennifer rubin, an opinion writer for the washington post and nbc political analyst. resist [ inaudible ] good morning to both of you, thank you for joining with us. catherine i want to talk to you about this manhattan case. let's begin with the hearing in the criminal case in new york tomorrow, the judge wants to know about the circumstances that led to the delay in these 100,000 or so documents that the manhattan d.a. asked for from the department of justice. there is argument that of the 100,000 documents many of them are not entirely relevant, but what happened, in your opinion, what are we looking to solve for? >> we should stress that the judge made it clear that that's the only issue in this hearing. who, if anyone, was at fault

for the late disclosure, what if any prejudice did the defendant sustain and what if any sanction did the defendant sustain. what we should look for is if the defendant can articulate any prejudice. clearly in my opinion, there is no prejudice because the trial hasn't started. typically if there is a late disclosure of documents, and you have already put on a witness, you've done your cross- examination, and then suddenly you get documents, the argument is clearly i would have cross- examined this person if i had rs those documents. even in that case, the sanction isn't that the case is dismissed, what happens is the witness will be recalled and you'll be allowed to cross- examine. in this case we haven't even started the trial. there really is no prejudice here. so there should be no sanction. however, when there is a late disclosure under new york law, the defense must be given a reasonable amount of time to review this new late arriving

material. the judge, clearly, has delayed the trial, the d.a.s office has said 30 days was enough, the defendant has said, no, 90 days. we will find out whether it will be 30, 90, or probably somewhere in between, maybe 45 days. >> jennifer, on thursday you wrote about donald trump's case in new york, the headline is simply, new york judges ruling on evidence couldn't have gone worse for trump. explain why you said that. >> these were a series of what they call motions in limiting which is, are you going to exclude certain types of evidence. essentially what the judge said, with all of these id screwball theories and arguments that trump has are not going to be heard by the jury. he doesn't get to claim that his attorney was giving him advice, or in the words of his own attorney, the attorney was present, which isn't a defense anyway. he's not going to be able to

claim that he was selectively prosecuted, in other words that other people haven't been brought up on charges like ou this. he's not going to present the case that the prosecutors in the southern district of new york and the fec, the federal election commission, didn't prosecute him. all of these distractions, deflections, those aren't going to come in. meanwhile, the state of new york, the d.a. for the city of new york, has put on a bunch of motions himself, and those were granted. for example, we're going to hear about the access hollywood tape. these all go to trump's intent and the damaging evidence is going to come in. trump is not going to be able to escape reality or facts. the judge is going to let the d.a. put on his very strong case. >> catherine, when it comes to the other case, the civil fraud case in new york, there is an appeal that is playing out. most of these appeals don't go

that well for the person making the appeal which is why this bond issue becomes so significant because these bond surety companies are like, we're likely going to have to pay up on this one and we can't really do as much with your buildings. what's the likelihood that the appellate court could step in at the last minute before donald trump has to post bond tomorrow? >> i think it's neil. they're either going to stay enforcement of the judgment or reduce the bond. the problem donald trump has, granted, this was not in papers, he said friday i have $500 million. whether you believe it or not, if you have $500 million, why would you need the enforcement stayed or why did you need your bond amount reduced? the reality is that, unless he himself, donald trump, comes up with the bond or the money, the attorney general will start then process, the legal process of seizing his assets. the attorney general already filed registered the judgment

in westchester county which is a suburb north of new york city, where there are two major properties of donald trump there. clearly, they are already thinking that he's not thgoing come up with the bond and let's start the process already. >> jennifer, i mentioned in the introduction that bears a mismatch in the amount of money that the biden war chest has versus the trump war chest, which generally speaking in march is not a important thing to discuss except that it leads to this. the rnc and the trump campaign have a new agreement that prioritizes funneling money to donald trump's save america pack, and the save america has been helping to pay his legal bills for some of his allies, and for himself, and that money is prioritized over money that p goes to the rnc. if you are a dude who's donating money to the rnc right now, some of that money is going to go to depending on how you donate it, toward donald trump's legal fees. this agreement came shortly

after trump hand-picked nominees who took over the rnc, so, what are your thoughts on this? it feels like a new level of drift to me. >> it absolutely is. this is a legal defense fund with a campaign as an adjunct, as the caboose. what is driving this is donald trump's legal fees, which are mounting. if you are a republican, not even donald trump, but a down ticket republican, do not count on getting any money from the party. it's all going into donald trump's pockets or donald trump's lawyers pockets. it is an unbelievable scam, and i think the voters out there, if they learn that their money is not going to the campaign but to a bunch of lawyers, may begin to get a little bit nervous. certainly the big donors don't want to do it and that's why so many are sitting on the sideline, and in fact why several of the big nikki haley donors are now becoming biden

donors. that's a big problem. no also, when you look at the numbers of people donating, which is a pretty good sign of enthusiasm, biden is expanding the base of small donors. trumps base is shrinking. that's because he has focused almost exclusively on a narrow o base of voters. the rest of them are either afraid or put off or just indifferent to his campaign. that imbalance over time is going to become a big deal, and you already see how many ads the biden campaign is putting out attacking trump, attacking trump, and if you recall back to 2012, what the obama administration or the obama campaign did, they absolutely flooded the zone with anti- romney campaign ads, and by the time romney finally got up on the air in october, maybe september, he was way behind. once you allow somebody to blanket the airwaves, you've dug yourself a whole. g i would stress that, although

things look like they're not so bad for donald trump, it's structural imbalances like this that should be very troublesome, not only to him, but to all the republicans on the ticket. >> we'll keep watching closely, thanks to both of you. th the former assistant attorney in jennifer rubin is an opinioni writer for the washington post and an msnbc political analyst. also the author of the book resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump. humming up, fortune favors the bold, that's what the democrats are hoping. some democratic groups are employing a controversial tactic this election season, boosting extreme candidates in republican primaries, betting that they can beat the extremists in november. plus, they call him the palestinian nelson mandela, his images painted on murals all over cities and towns in gaza and the west bank. he could be the next leader of the palestinian people. one man is bringing a piece of home to nepal these immigrants in ohio and changingi

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currently, barghouti is still seen as one of the strongest candidates to lead the palestinian people. now in his 60s, barghouti has long been a key player in palestinian politics. joining us at the age of 15. he gained prominence among his people because of his long- standing quest for palestinian independence. in 2004, he was sentenced by an israeli court to five consecutive life sentences for directing attacks against israelis in the second after he grew disillusioned with the peace process. however, he came to realize the necessity of coexistence after years of struggle. he advocates for permanent peace between israelis and palestinians as independent and equal neighbors. top israeli paper published an editorial as far back as 2012, noting his potential. if israel had wanted an agreement with the palestinians, it would have released him from prison by now. barghouti is the most authentic leader produced, and he can

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welcome back, what you just saw was a little bit of tv magic, that has never happened in my entire three decade career. what you just saw was the best argument for having a co-host. michael steele is never going to have the problem that i just had, my apologies. some gremlins here today, some in my throat and some of the hairdryer that i heard at the beginning of the show, i'm not making this up. let's pick up where i left off. 34 senate seats are up for grabs this year, democrats are defending 23 of them including in ohio, west virginia and montana. these are all states where trump won in 2020. analysts say west virginia senate seat is certain to flip red which means democrats need to win every other single race to maintain their majority in the senate. with that, democrats are trying to have a say in who they go up against. one controversial but effective tactic is boosting the more extreme candidates in the primary who seemingly do not stand a chance in the general election. that strategy was employed this past week. democratic group in ohio spent roughly $2.7 million on a

television ad promoting bernie marino's allegiance to trump. since trump republican party takeover, he's enjoyed playing kingmaker in gop primaries. most of which devolve into a who can be most like trump contest. democrats think the candidate who do well in those primaries end up performing poorly in the general election. after all, trump's party lost the house in 2018, he lost the presidency and the u.s. senate in 2020 and many of his hand- picked candidates lost very winnable races in the 2022 midterms. according to the washington post during the 2022 primary cycle, democrats spent nearly $19 million across eight states in primaries this year amplifying far right republican candidates who have questioned or denied the validity of the 2020 election. during that 2022 cycle, according to the washington post, democrats spent an additional $34.5 million in

illinois boosting darren bailey in the republican primary for the governor's race. bailey was an election denier, the democrat j.b. pritzker easily won re- election. in maryland which was coming off of eight years with the republican the and the governorship, democrats through financial support to the tune of $1.7 million behind dan kotz, a state lawmaker and election denier in the republican primary. regret westmore would trounce cox in the general election. josh shapiro's gubernatorial campaign spent $1.2 million amplifying this guy, the republican candidate allegiance to trump, and he performed woefully in the general election, shapiro became the governor. to be clear, democrats are not spending a bunch of money telling voters how great these right-wing republicans are, most of the time it's the opposite. take a look at that $2.7 million at about marino that i

mentioned earlier. >> mega republican bernie marino is too conservative for ohio. marino would do donald trump's bidding. that's white trump endorsed marino, calling him exactly the type of magnified or that we need in the united states senate. >> the tone of the ad is critical, the intention is to sway trump lovingly publican voters toward a candidate like marina by emphasizing their loyalty to the party leader. its reverse psychology. which could work. or it could backfire. trump can scare away some moderates and conservatives, seven in 10 ohio republican primary voters told nbc news on tuesday night that it was important for the next ohio senator to show support for trump. it's unclear if marino's right wing believes will scare enough voters away in a state that trump has won twice, and if marino wins, another right-wing trump acolyte would ascend to the united states senate.

for more on this i'm joined by michael steele, a former chair of the republican national committee, host of the michael steele podcast, co-host of the weekend, right here on msnbc. michael, you're doing the omens work this weekend, thanks for spending time, you're the guy wanted to talk to. you and i have had this discussion before, i fall in the camp of people who think this is interesting, yet dangerous business. you think it could work, it could pay off. >> first off, it's great to be with you, as always, my friend. and i appreciate the chance to come on and chat about this. is an aspect of politics that people don't really get into too much. first off, this is nothing new, folks. everybody out there, you're hearing the big numbers being spent, that aspect of it is new because, like all things, things cost more to do but this tactic of playing in your opponents primary is as old as the body of politics.

it has been part of the political system, it has played itself out in a variety of ways. over the past hundred years. but in recent times, to your point, it has been a much more prominent aspect and feature, if you will. there are a lot of attendant downsides if you don't understand the district that you're playing in, or the state, if it's a statewide race that you're playing in. you grossly miscalculate how voters really feel about your opponent, potential opponent, that you're trying to set up to be your general election opponent. there are some real downsides to that and we've seen races where the bad guy won. because you miscalculated the party, or the candidate miscalculated just how much fervor there would be for this candidate amongst their own voters. and when it comes to trump, that's the calculation a lot of

folks blow past, quite honestly. they assume it's all maga right- wing folks, no. it's not. there are a lot of independence, there are lot of democratic voters, they've been democrats in the past, who are, you know, fond of, look at him, like his policies but i don't like him argument, that have some appeal out there and if you miscalculate how much appeal areas, you could wind up like dan cox, but, it's safer in states like maryland where it's really blue. but in more purple states, you got to be careful. >> so let's take the other piece of the miscalculation, you could end up completely electing the wrong person, that's dangerous, but maybe you don't. i guess my other concern is, what about the world in which you and i grew up, in which the world wasn't going to come to and if you are a democrat and a republican got elected as your

governor or your senator, everybody was, they were closer to the middle of the spectrum. what this does sometimes do is it takes the middle of the spectrum people out. i don't know if you want to call them moderates. where maybe the republican would have won, but the republican would have been someone who you'd be fine with. do we, do we enhance polarization in things like this? >> yes, you do. that's an important byproduct of that particular strategy, is that you do wind up taking out who otherwise would be a normalizing politician. someone who would go to the senate, go to the governor's office, go to the legislature, and work across the aisle to solve problems. that's the way it's always been. since the mid to late 80s, that dynamic has changed, and the corrosive nature of our politics has gotten worse, to the point that it's all about, it's a zero-sum opportunity. in other words, we go after

this guy because he's a better opponent for us than the normal republican, or the normal democrat that we're trying to take out. to avoid running against him in a general election, because that's where the partisan part of this comes in. we want to raise the b flag or the r flag. while you think it's noble and you think you're getting the right person, at the end of the day, meaning that you take out the maga republican to elevate a biden democrat, that may or may not pay out necessarily depending on the issues, and depending on what's at stake in a body like the senate, where the margins are close. do you wind up electing another senator cinema, who is not necessarily inclined to go along with the game plan of the president wants.

so, there are consequences to these things as well, and that's why this strategy is not something that is employed in every cycle, or in a level where you see it happening a lot more than we do now. >> orient everyplace, it may not make sense in some places. it is fantastic to see you. i miss you in this particular time slot but you are knocking it out of the park on the weekend, which, as you know, is very distracting for me because it's what i'm trying to prepare for the show. thank you, it's always good to see you. >> appreciate you, it's good to be with you. >> the former chairman of the republican national committee, don't forget to catch michael every saturday and sunday morning at 8:00 a.m., on his own msnbc program, the weekend. switching gears, but staying in 2024 politics, candidates running for office here have less than eight months to make an impression on voters and candidates up and down the ballot on both sides of the aisle are campaigning on issues

that americans care about, and also some that are non-issues. you're going to hear a lot of noise between now and election day, and on velshi we want to set this record straight on many of them. we will start with the topic of crime. if you happen to flip to fox news at anytime of the day, odds are the hosts and commentators are going to be talking about the supposed rampant crime in joe biden's america. >> the crime issue is really serious. >> it's never been more clear in america that we are in a crime crisis. >> we've been documenting the retail theft across america for three years, it's rampant. >> the problem that's driving retailers out of states and cities his crime, which is rampant. been the it's the crime, stupid, it's the crime, stupid, it's the crime, stupid. >> luckily you chose this program today, the real story on crime is quite different. crime is actually down nationwide, and is continuing to drop. a new report from the fbi shows that there was a 13% decline in murder from 2023 to 2022, a 6%

decline in reported violent crime, and a 4% decline in reported property crime. even retail theft that you just heard mentioned, shoplifting, which folks on the right love to drum up fear about, is also down. there is a specific category in the fbi report for retail crime, it falls under the category of robbery, burglary, and larceny, and the report shows that nationwide, larceny, theft, decreased the robberies decreased, as did the national average of burglary. lately, donald trump and many republicans have focused their fear mongering on crime they say is committed by migrants who come to this country in search of a better life. trump recklessly throws violent, racist rhetoric around of his rallies about what he calls biden migrant crime. trying to scare americans into thinking that there's a deadly threat exclusively from people who are not born in america. a study out of stanford university published last year found that since the 19 night

60s, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than u.s.-born men. researchers at the conservative or the libertarian cato institute investigated the same issue in texas, and found a similar result. it found, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45% below that of nativeborn americans in texas. illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 62% below that of nativeborn americans. that's not to say that some communities across the country are not experiencing real and dangerous crimes. it also doesn't mean that we should turn away efforts to reduce crime. in fact, experts say the biggest factor behind the drop in crime may be the anticrime initiatives that are implement by local governments. it is worth noting that the drop in crime does not appear to translate to most americans. a gallup poll found that 70% of americans believe crime rates

are worsening, despite the opposite being true. comes down to perception versus reality. and reality can be easily blurred when americans are being fed a deceptive narrative by right-wing lawmakers, candidates, and media personalities. experts say people often confuse disorder with crime. there's no doubt that there's been disorder in this country in recent years. the reality is, according to the fbi, crime spiked in 2020 under president donald trump. an agent of disorder. but, the rights not going to tell you that. that.

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by the time a refugee makes it to the united states, their world has already been turned upside down. being forced to flee one's home and start a new life from scratch is an experience that few americans would understand, so i want to tell you today

about one refugee who lived that experience decades ago, and then dedicated his life to making it easier for those who came after him. this is a refugee from bhutan, a country in southeast asia tucked between china and india. he arrived to the united states in 1999 after escaping an ethnic cleansing campaign back home that targeted people of nepalese dissent just like him. and then living in a refugee camp in nepal for years. he eventually settled in california where he studied at a rural college and worked as a nurse and health aide as a on the west coast. his plan all along was to return to southeast asia when it was safe to do so, but that all changed around 2008 when thousands of bhutanese refugees arrived in akron, ohio, as part of the resettlement program. he knew this community would need help, so he moved to ohio, because agriculture is a prominent most of the refugees

were subsistence farmers, subsistence farmers by trade but instead, in akron, many of them landed in factory jobs that are challenging both physically and emotionally and are not suited to the skills that they developed back home. he witnessed high rates of depression among many residents in the community, so he sought to find ways to connect them to their bhutanese heritage, which he thought would help. at a community meeting he brought up an idea to introduce urban farming to the refugee community in akron to bring them closer to the agricultural practices they knew so well. tom crane, a former teacher and agricultural trade writer stepped up to help them get started. together, they started multiple urban farms where refugees are able to learn about zoning, soil testing, and other american farming regulations and practices that differed from those in bhutan. their effort eventually grew into a nonprofit organization that provides agricultural education, care for the elderly and immigrants with disabilities, mental health counseling, youth programming, and cultural entertainment.

now work with immigrant groups from bhutan, myanmar, and the democratic republic of congo. this act of courage brought him across the world as local work is making a true impact. joining me now, is the cofounder and executive director of community farms. good to see you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much for inviting me in your program. i'm very glad and honored to be in your program. >> we're honored to have you, sir. i want to talk about your story, you left bhutan and lived in a refugee camp in nepal, what was your experience going from bhutan to nepal and nepal to america has had an impact on what you're doing right now. >> i became a refugee in 1993, and stayed in a refugee camp for six years, then after i got the opportunity to come to this

great nation, the united states of america, and then after, i was by myself, here, for almost 13 years. then, after the united states accepted the refugees from the camp in nepal, while they got the visa donor program in the are a little bit older, they are very difficult to go back and learn all this language, and basically, they don't have this kind of english language, so they are having a lot of problems on communicating with other people here, in the united states. and they are working in the factory, but they don't know how to evacuate the building when an emergency happens. i was in seattle at the time,

that i moved here to help these families, so basically, when i interviewed a couple of people who are older, they told that they want to do some kind of agriculture here in this locality, in akron, ohio. so i reached out to my friend, tom crane, and we decided to open a small urban farm to teach them how to do the agriculture in the right way, like soil testing, how, [ inaudible ] so we treated it from a small agricultural program, and as refugees from other nations do, then our mission is to preserve and promote the agriculture of the local immigrant, and refugee community by developing urban farming, or development and

learning through education, and empower opportunities. we are currently working with refugee families in picking up community gardens, and the market in west hill and providing [ inaudible ] for the youth. this is what we are doing right now. >> we are glad that you are doing it and that you're helping people, and that you made a choice. not just to go back home but to help the people who are coming here make a better life themselves, we really appreciate that. the cofounder and executive director of shanti community farms. we'll be right back. right back. and you realize you're in love... steve? with a laundry detergent. (♪♪) gain flings. seriously good scent. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease.

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latest. >> you can see through this fence, just passed there, that is haiti, what we have seen in the last couple of days are hundreds of people crossing into the dominican republic temporarily allowed to come to this area where there's a market, many of them selling what little belongings they have, hoping they can buy food and other things here, basic necessities to take back to their families who are inside haiti. i'll show you some of the activity we've seen here, it's a little slower right now because it's the weekend, and the markets aren't open, but every day we see like this. children coming with wheelbarrows, they'll fill them up on the other side if they make enough money, and ultimately take it back to haiti. we were speaking with a group of americans who have run an orphanage in haiti, and other nonprofit related activities for years, they are trying to cross the border to get into haiti to continue helping, but right now because of the violence, the dominican republic government is

requiring different paperwork than they normally do, and right now they are stuck. when i asked them earlier today, why is it so important for you to go despite the risks, they said, if we don't go there, if we don't go to help and take care of these children we have cared for so many years, who will? listen to some of what that man had to say. >> these folks have learned a way to get by with just that simple, basic stuff. and it's crucial for the moral health of a country, not to feel isolated. for fellow humans to show there are true brothers and sisters. >> reporter: most of the people here, they cross on foot, some come in cars, often times we will see these wheelbarrows with empty bags that then become full less people go. it's not just adults that are crossing here, often times it is children. yesterday we met a 13-year-old boy. he told us he had been, for

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but by and large, they want to change themselves. they've had a lot of experience of outside intervention in their country that hasn't worked well for them, so they're hoping there will be change and with this new government, possibly coming in soon, that that will be the fresh start they so desperately need. >> they need that desperately, outside intervention has literally never worked for that country. great to see you, my friend, thank you so much, ellison barber in the dominican republic. thank you for watching, catch me back your neck saturday and sunday morning from 10:00 to noon eastern, stay right where you are, inside with jen psaki begins right now. faces a cash crunch, republican donors are on the hook for his legal bills, whether they know it or not. >> speaker emerita nancy pelosi has never held back her feelin