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judgment day is looming for donald trump as two legal cases against him are likely to collide tomorrow. the former president has less than 24 hours to come up with a nearly half a billion dollar bond, stemming from his civil fraud judgment, or the state attorney general could start collecting on the debt by seizing trump organization assets. and trump is likely to be in attendance in another manhattan courtroom tomorrow where the start date of his criminal hush money trial could be determined. we are talking about it all tonight. plus, we are following the humanitarian crisis in haiti where gang and political violence is creating desperate conditions. coming up, i will talk with one of the cochairs of the house haiti caucus about what congress can do to help.

and the first black woman to run for the presidency gets the hollywood treatment. with a star studded cast inclouding regina king and terance howard and brad james who join me later in the show tonight to talk to me about the woman behind the film. what it is like for him to have played huey newton in the film and whether america is ready for a black woman in the oval office. joining me now is minnesota attorney general keith ellison, thank you for joining us today. we have a lot of issues i want to cover with you. but let's start, i want your thoughts as an observer of the legal proceedings gns former president trump right now. i know these are not your cases. but we have seen the republican nominee attacking the prosecutor and the judges. and he has repeatedly sought to delay the proceedings with an

election day looming. are you confident that we are moving in the direction of justice being served? >> yes, i am confident. and i just want to commend attorney general james for pursuing justice, making sure that no one is above the law, no one is beneath the law. certainly donald trump is being treated as any other defendant. he nodes to come up with the bond or there will be seizure to collect on the judgment. that's the way it is. no one else would be treated any different and he shouldn't be treated any different. we will see what happens tomorrow. i don't have any information on what will happen tomorrow but the reckoning is coming up quick. on the hush money case, the case which essentially manipulated the electoral system by

falsifying information, that matter is looming as well. i have every reason to believe that alvin bragg is going to see justice s served as well. >> let's get to minnesota. your office just announced a multimillion dollar settlement against havenbrook homes and other companies accusing them of failing to improve rental properties leaving tenants to live in uninhabitable conditions. >> that's right. >> the agreement comes at a time when the biden administration is calling for new policies to address the dire need for affordable housing. talk a little bit about the significance of this case. >> well, this is a very big deal. i will bring you back to 2008 when you had massive foreclosures and large private equity firms that bought

residential rental properties. and you begin to see the landlord shift from being the lady down stairs to being a multibillion dollar company across the country. as a result, you have seen many and in minnesota certainly, we went from a situation where we could see maintenance in rental properties to nameless, faceless, landlords who didn't really concern themselves with the welfare of tenants. we have seen the decline. the fact is, we have seen and we were able to allege in our complaint, and we have now settled the case that tenants would repeatedly lose heat, cotter, exposure to lead, severe pest infestation and the lack of hotwater, and other problems like that, delayed repairs. now we were able to solve the

case against havenbrook and six other defendants and now they will have to set up a restitution fund for the victims to the tune of $2.2 million. and they will have to do a lot of rental forgiveness for tenants as well. they have announced they are leaving minnesota. that's fine. they are planning to sell properties to affordable housing organizations. we hope they do that. and no matter what they do with that project, they are going to have to follow all state and federal lead paint hazard laws. they will have to make timely responses for repairs and they will have to provide tenants with copies of city inspection reports and rental properties and they will have to abate lead in any city ordered repairs if they are not completed within the required time. this is a national story but as you know, it is intensely local,

you have been standing up for tenants all your life and you know what i mean. >> now new data shows that u.s. crime declined significantly in 2023 in nearly every category. analysts say the one year drop in the murder rate could be the largest ever recorded. i ask you about this because those numbers don't seem to match the public perception that crime is on the rise, a sentiment some republicans have exploited to attack prosecutors seeking to address longstanding problems of bias in our criminal justice system. what do these statistics tell you about how we should be approaching the issues of crime and punishment in this country? >> well, i'm a prosecutor as you know. and if you are a victim of a crime, then the crime rate is intolerable and i understand that. we have a duty and obligation to

preth everyone and make sure justice is done. but statistically, it is true. crime is dramatically down. some of the right wing prescriptions for how to deal with crime are wrong and will bring us back to the bad old days. my thought is we need to continue to be aggressive about protecting people, prosecuting crime. murder happens, rape happens, criminal sexual assault, and human trafficking happen and we will continue to do our job. but we have to go upstream and make sure that the automobiles are not so easy to steal that they are an attractive nuisance for young people. we are investigating two major auto makers because their cars are too easy to steal for young people. also, we have to get a handle on the guns. you can't tell guns

irreresponsibly or a straw purchaser. you can't market to children and things like we see gun manufacturers doing right now. we have to go upstream on crime and not just say we will only deal with the people on the street. there are a lot of people involved in the chain of criminality, starting times for people who are members of the country club, resulting in tragic circumstances for victims on the street. we also have got to understand that it is not all about punishment all the time. sometimes it is about giving people another opportunity. and it's about diversion programs, making sure that youth are back in school. one thing that is not happening since the pandemic, more or less ended is that we have not seen school absenteeism go back to prepandemic levels. you see large numbers of kids

still out of school. this is an attractive nuisance and it is undermining educational opportunities. this is not about throwing people in jail. this is about reaching out to families, kids, and making sure the kid has a good educational opportunity and that they are not drawn into mischievous, sometimes criminal behavior. this is a comprehensive thing. it involves accountability but we can't ignore compassion and second chances. we have to prioritize public safety, not just politicize crime which unfortunately is an old tactic for republicans. >> now i'm out of time but before we go, you have been a prominent muslim voice in the democratic party for many years. there has been much discussion and dissatisfaction with the biden administration within muslim american communities in minnesota, michigan, and elsewhere, over the handling of the israel-hamas war. do you think the president has

made any progress in responding tothe concerns and what more can be done? and are you concerned about the rise of anti-semitism and anti-muslim and islamophobia that we have been witnessing since october 7th. >> we are out of time but respond briefly. >> i just want to say i think the biden administration is making important strides but we have seen 30,000 people killed, most of them are women and children. and let's not forget the 1400 israelis who were killed. this tragedy is terrible. we must have a cease fire. i'm glad the president is saying so. we must have humanitarian intervention. we also must have a permanent home for palestinian people to undermine hamas. if there was a permanent home for the palestinian people where they didn't have to worry about their on safety and security,

that would undermine the call for groups like hamas. we need two states. we got one, we need another one in order to have a more lasting solution. this is a complicated issue but i urge everyone to bear in mind we all know who pushed the muslim ban and who said finish the job. he is not expressing any sympathy for any palestinian person so it is clear that president biden needs to be reelected. >> okay, thank you as always, keith ellison, minnesota's attorney general. let's bring in our political panel, republican strategist amy ken, and dawn callaway, host of the caucus room podcast and from the voter action front, former missouri state representative. amy, as we mentioned, donald trump faces a deadline to pay a

half billion dollar bond in the new york civil case or face a possible seizure of his asets, a possibility he has begun talking about on social media and in his rallies. we have talked about the legal implications but politically, trump has used his legal problems to his advantage. we all remember how his arraignments help solidify his position with republican primary voters. could this new showdown help him again with fundraising where he is now lagging far behind the biden administration? or the biden campaign, i should say. >> it could, it could give him another boost. it seems with every indictment he receives another boost which is crazy. but he does believe this is political persecution. so in his mind, he believes it is okay to use campaign funds or

funds from a third party pac to go towards his legal fees which is unfortunate. now you have your daughter in law who is cohair of the rnc will oversee the handling of the money that is coming in that would normally be spread across the nation to help those who are running for federal office in the down ticket. so this is really going toend up hurting us overall in the end but is it going to give him a slight boost? i think it will. >> now don, what should biden and democrats be saying about trump and the judgments against him? how do they keep the focus on his guilt or innocence as opposed to claims of political persecution. >> i have been thinking of this since the time you got him on and the answer is they shouldn't be talking about this. they have to stay on message and that message is he has had the

most substantive legislative presidency in our generation. the bottom line is talking about donald trump's woes from the moment he descended the escalator in 2016 to today, 91 indictments, two impeachments, a whole bunch of foolish behavior and the degradation of democracy culminating in an insurrection on january 6th, none of that moves the needle for a small percentage of americans who are going to vote for donald trump no matter what. they know about all of the foolishness, the corruption, and everything that donald trump is. joe biden cannot win by saying donald trump is a bad guy. there are people who want the bad guy to be president. joe biden has to focus on his legislative record, achievements, and focusing on his vision. trump has not articulated any vision for the country that

doesn't have to do with further oppression of marginalized group. biden will not win talking about how trump has another charge or owes more money, even if they come to conviction before the election. you win by talking about who you are, what you have done, and what you plan to do for the american future. >> amy, trump was in nevada championing his economic policies and touting his administration's efforts to lower housing costs for american families. nevada's home prices have jumped six times faster than wages according to a recent study. donald trump is making inroads with the large hispanic population, specifically among working class latinos, showing a major vulnerability in the biden campaign for this swing state. what is your take on whether nevada may come down this nevada? >> well, if you are to believe the current polling, which of

course we know that is just a snap shot but he is anywhere from a dead heat to 7 points above biden. i think the fact that the president was here, and he visited the north and south which i thought was smart. he was talking about bidenomics and the importance of affordable housing but people are not feeling that the economy is doing well because of inflation. i think he needs to continue to pound on that message and maybe do a better job at trying to break things down on why we are where we are to this day. because when we still see gas prices have increased again over here, i took my son to mcdonald's to get a meal and it was almost $20. that's not doable. and so, i think that he needs to continue to do a better job at discussing the economy versus inflation and then he needs to

go back to the winning playbook that really helped the democrats, dealing with abortion and women's reproductive rights. and then of course, if you want to bring it down a little further on the line, it is immigration, safety, national security, and then here in nevada, water. we are always worried about water. >> now, don, let's turn to the dangers of artificial intelligence and misinformation on this year's haekz. this week news outlet arizona agenda published a fake video of arizona senate candidate kari lake as a psa to demonstrate how deceptive these videos can be. this video has generated tens of thousands of views as of yesterday. kari lake's campaign attorneys

sent them a cease and desist letter to take down the video. how should we deal with the issue surrounding deep fakes that could deceive voters? >> i think it is too late with what six months before this extremely consequential election, it is too late to regulate or legislate for a.i. and consequences with respect to this immediate election. i would encourage the fed and local legislators to not attempt to try to regulate a.i. it will lead to a systemic patchwork of regulations that are not well thought out and not well considered. however, it is incredibly important that all journalists andjournalistic organizations of

any long standing repute to agree this is how we will conduct ourselves across the board with respect to disinformation altogether but this particular dangerous threat of a.i. in the coming election. this is an opportunity for the national association of american journalists, national association of black journalists, all of us as leaders and thought leaders in the journalistic space need to come together and determine what are our standards of conduct as we go into the season. and i don't agree with kari lake on anything with her personal politics but her campaign was right to ask that the arizona publication issue a cease and desist because no one should be a victim of that. it is too easy to deceive and mislead. this is an especially dramatic tool when you have 50% of the american electorate whose party apparatus has been misleading the journalistic press and the free media for the last six

years. they have already engendered the spirit of distrust of main stream media which can only be exacerbated by a.i.. >> amy and don, thank you both for being with us. coming up, why america must rise up and fight for haiti as the nation faces a humanitarian crisis. the nation faces a humanitaria crisis

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the situation in haiti continues to worsen. in the past few days, we have heard reports of wide spread gang violence. and as armed groups struggle for control of the country. this week president of action network, i joined other faith leaders to meet with new york city mayor eric adams to discuss

how the city and its large haitian community can respond to the deepening humanitarian crisis. i also had a call just today with religious leaders on the topic of haiti and had an extensive meeting with reverend jesse jackson who is organizing ministers nationwide on this issue. national urban league president mark marielle and i are calling for a meeting with the biden administration to discuss the haiti situation. while we must continue to address wars in ukraine and the middle east, we can't turn a blind eye to a conflict just hundreds of miles off of the coast in a country with deep ties to the united states when colonialists fought to free themselves from england, haitian free blacks supported them before fighting to gain independence from france. the haitian revolution created the world's first black led

republic. but at a steep price. the descendants of enslaved people in haiti were forced by their former colonizers to pay reparations to the enslavers in exchange for peace. around $600 million in today's money. since then, the relationship between haiti and the united states has taken many turns. but i believe we can be a force for positive change now by stopping the flow of weapons from u.s. states with lax gun laws into the hands of haitian gangs and dlifbing on the $40 million aid package for haiti the biden administration has requested from congress. we must meet legitimate asylum seekers to the country with care and compassion. instead, so far we have seen more political grand standing

like florida governor ron desantis gearing up to fly desperate migrants to martha's vineyard. many of us have not forgotten how haitian migrants were treated in 2021 when agents were seen corralling them on horseback like cattle. we stood with them at the u.s. mexico border and i still stand with them today. the character of a society can be judged by how it treats its neighbors. we must set aside our differences and rise up to care for our haitian brothers and sisters right now in their hour of greatest need. we will be right back. greatest need we will be right back. the effort can feel overwhelming. but today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. taken with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by 50%.

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aid unresolved as haiti unravels. joining me now is congresswoman yvette clark, democrat from new york and cochair of the house haiti caucus. i will get your thoughts on donald trump in a moment, but i will start with haiti. we had a congressman with us last night and we talked about the house letter, the letter of the house haiti caucus and more than 60 democrats sent to the white house last week calling for haitian nationals here to be in the united states to be given temporary protective status and a pause on deportation of haitians. you cochaired the house haiti caucus. what are the repercussions of the u.s. failing to act to help the haitian people? >> well, we are already seeing

the repercussions right now, reverend sharpton. unfortunately, we are seeing catastrophic outcome with basic anarchy reigning in haiti at this moment. people's lives are being taken. women are bogue raped and abused. people are teetering on famine. it is critical that the united states do its part in helping to alleviate the suffering of the people of haiti and work in coalition and in partnership with nations in the caribbean region and people of good will to bring safety, security, and stability back to the nation so that governance can be reestablished.. >> now let's switch gears to donald trump. donald trump may be facing one of the most pivotal days of his life in 24 hours. he has a deadline to put up half

a billion dollars in bond in a new york civil fraud case, the judgment against him. some insist it is beyond his ability to pay right now. and attorney general james may start seizing on his assets as soon as tomorrow. at the same time, we could learn trump's trial date in manhattan's criminal hush money case. what are your thoughts on the presumptive gop presidential nominee looking at this degree of legal jeopardy? >> well, the gop knew exactly who they had in the candidate. there were many in the republican primary process that they could have selected or coaled around. they decided to go with someone who they knew was in legal

jeopardy, someone who they knew had tens of indictments against them. yet, this was their choice. so you know, the gop is going to have to grapple with the outcome of all of the various trials, civil penalties that donald trump is currently confronting. that means that their entire party is confronting it. >> the passage of the bipartisan spending bill exposed the vulnerability of mike johnson who averted a government shutdown only for congresswoman marjory taylor greene to introduce a to vacate the bill. this time they did not join greene in supporting the removal of johnson as speaker, citing

the possibility that with more retirements on the horizon, it would lead to hakeem jeffries holding the gavel. and even some house democrats said they would vote to keep johnson as speaker rather than have more chaos over the speakership fight. how should democrats respond to the chaos across the aisle? >> well, we have been following the leadership of hakeem jeffries, the minority leader of the house of representatives who has ben masterful in not only keeping democrats united but speaking on behalf of the marn people and working with speaker johnson to navigate us through these treacherous times. he has worked with each and every member of the democratic conference to make sure that we are focused on achieving progress for the people thet we

represent throughout the country. so i anticipate that our leader, our minority leader, congressman hakeem jeffries will be negotiating so that if indeed, the question is called about speaker johnson's speakership, there will be a requisite concessions from the speaker with respect to various outstanding issues that need to be addressed before the session has ended. you are hearing a number of colleagues talking about foreign aid and the concerns we have particularly ukraine. but i want tomake sure hakeem jeffries, leader of the democrats in the house of representatives has the leverage he needs to make sure we are making progress and that the agenda for the american people

is well at hand as a result of any concessions made to preserve johnson's speakership. >> we are both from new york. we are able to remember the impact that shirley chisholm had on political life when she was the first black congresswoman and then mounted the historic presidential run in 1972, a campaign that i was involved with as a teenager. i understand you came from the premier of the netflix bio picture. one of the actors will join us later in the show. but since chisholm's day, we have seen more black women in congress than we have ever seen before, including you and a black woman is the vice president of the united states in kamala harris. would she have had a chance to

win the democratic nomination today in your judgment? >> i think she would. we have come a long way in this country in terms of women's rights, in terms of the rights of black people in our nation and people of color across the board. i think we are very focused on the fact that we have a multicultural civil society. and that has been forefront of the minds of many voters and shirley chisholm spoke to that in her campaign. she was what you would call the person who put out the clarion call for multicultural coalition of voters who want progress. she was an extraordinary woman, some would say before her time but a trail blazer to make sure

the 31 women in congress today, black women in congress today can represent not only majority minority districts but in many cases, we have black women representing districts that are predominantly white in america. so we have come a long way. it won't be long before we see another candidate for the president of the united states who is a black woman. and i think that her chances of becoming president of the united states are much greater than it was during the days of shirley chisholm. and we have her to thank for opening the aperture into the view of the political light in our nation. >> all right. thank you for dmg on. coming up, the fight to make

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voting is burge politics. >> if you are just outside yelling and screaming, that's all you will ever be. you have to be a part of the

process. >> the process doesn't exist for black women in politics. you're different. >> i saw what needed to be done and i did it. that's not different. that's necessary. >> i truly have been blessed to have known and been mentored by so many of my heroes, some of them got their due from history and some that have yet to get the acclaim they deserve in life. shirley chisholm was a political icon in 1972 when she, the first black woman elected to congress, launched her unprecedented run for the presidency. as a youth director, i watched first-hand as she endured unique challenges imposed by her race and gender with sadly some of it coming within the male dominated black political establishment. but she remained to use her own words unbought and unburst.

and now a bio picture is telling her story with one of our finest actresses stepping into the title role. joining me now is actor brad james, one of had stars of the netflix film, shirley. before i ask you about the movie, you may know that i was honored to know shirley in and i served in her political campaign. i treasure this photo with her and my teenage self and the afro and byron rustin who came to help me kick off my national youth movement. i believe then she had all of the tools to be president, even if her race and gender were impediments in 1972. but 36 years later, we saw the election president obama, and then we saw camalaa harris

become the first voice president. having seen those milestones in our lifetime, do you think she could be commanderer in chief today? >> you know, that almost sounds like a dream given the political climate we are dealing with today. learning and navigating. you know, that is a tough one but what i will say about shirley chisholm is she was one who would not be bossed around. she was not going to take no for an answer. so given your question, absolutely, and she would have my vote. >> and she would pursue it with energy. if it hadn't have been for shirley, we would not be where we are. but in the film, you play the cofounder of the black panther party for self defense, huey newton. i want to play an exchange

between newton and shirley in the film and then come back to you. >> democracy works. if it didn't, we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation. >> you call brothers and sisters getting beat up, shot, choked to death by the police. >> exactly and they need to be held accountable. i will force all of the politicians to earn the vote that we secured with our spilt blood from birmingham all the way up to binghamten. >> you are going to do all that, a school teacher from brooklyn? >> yes, i'm just a school teacher from brooklyn. harriet was just a slave rosa was just a domestic. what is it you do for a living again? >> now for those who don't know the story of chisholm's relationship with the panthers and why it was so unique, what can you tell them and what did you learn about both people playing this role that you

played of huey newton? >> you know, this was a really special, and this particular scene you played, was very special and very crucial. you are talking about two powerhouses that -- huey newton was an aquarius born in 1942. he didn't like to be told what to do or how to do it. and shirley chisholm, i found out through this process was in a lot of ways the same way. when you can kind of combine the two power houses and let them work it out, it wasn't necessarily smooth sailing for either one of these two but they had a fight and they were willing and able to do what it took to get through the fight. it sometimes means having disagreements with those who are on the same side as you. >> briefly, i wanted to send a message of support to your wife, keisha knight fullerman.

>> and director. >> yep, and one of the founders of the fearless fund which is facing a civil rights lawsuit for championing black business women hood. i have gotten to know the cofounders and stand in national solidarity with them. without asking you to comment on the suit, how is your wife handling the legal battle? >> she is very much like shirley chisholm. she is unbossed and unbothered. as the name implies, the fund is fearless. i'm not going to speak to her role in it now but i will say that we are doing very well. we have had a phenomenal time. the premier was incredible and we are just celebrating now. >> all right. brad james, thank you for being with me. up next, my final thoughts, stay with us. next, my final thoughts stay with us

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