particularly obama, he's done some events but right now what we see there is the cash advantage has continue to build. if they can potentially expand the maps and senate races are more competitive -- hillary clinton had a cash advantage, too, and trump won that. not taking advantage. >> more confidence among democrats than perhaps a month ago. the race is going to be tight. josh, thank you as always. thanks to all of you for getting up way too early with us on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" right now. everyone needs a bible if their home. my favorite book, lot of people's favorite book. this bible is reminder that the biggest thing we have to bring back america and make america

great, religion is so important. so missing. but it's going to come back and come back strong just like our country is going to come back strong. i'm proud to endorse you to get this bible again. we must make america pray again. >> oh, god. at least he's holding it right side up. remember? park, lafayette, it was upside-down. there he is hawking a new product to his supporters using religion. more about the former president's latest effort to raise cash, it comes as he's under a new gag order this morning, we'll have that also ahead a case challenging a popular abortion drug. we'll get expert legal analysis on the arguments and how the justices responded and what it means for women's health care rights. good morning. welcome to "morning joe."

we begin in baltimore where the urgent search and rescue effort has shifted to recovery effort. the u.s. coast guard called off the search for six missing people who were on the francis scott key bridge when it was struck by a container ship, those individuals all part of a construction crew who were filling potholes on the bridge directly above where the ship hit are presumed dead. we're also learning that moments before the collision the ship's crew issued a mayday call that allowed authorities to stop traffic before impact saving many lives with just seconds to spare. >> hold all traffic on the key bridge. there's a ship approaching that just lost their steering.

so until we get that under control, we got to stop -- >> c-13 dispatch the whole bridge just fell down. >> joining us now from baltimore, washington correspondent for nbc news, alice barr. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning, mika. we're just down the road where you should be able to see the key bridge, it's now in the water and as you pointed out the focus really remains the human cost those six construction workers doing routine road repairs when the bridge collapsed. the governor of the maryland wes moore said he's spoken with tear families and they want their loved ones as the family members they were, a lot of focus going back in and finding them. we're expecting that the recovery mission could resume any time now, last night we were told it could start around 6:00

a.m. very sad update it's no longer search and rescue, it's recovery, governor moore said they'll put every resource into recovering those bodies. at the same time, this wide-ranging effort under way to figure out what went wrong. the national transportation safety board has a number of crew members on scene, speaking to witnesses, looking through debris on the bridge and looking through past safety records to piece all of this together. evidently that massive cargo ship, the length of the empire state building lost its power and propulsion as it was approaching the bridge. crew members did everything they could do stop and avoid that collision but it wasn't possible. the stunning video hitting that

support pillar sending that bridge down. >> washington correspondent for nbc news, alice barr in baltimore for us, thanks so much. with us this morning is jonathan lemire and retired four-star navy admiral james stavridis. guys, good morning to you. admiral, luck requesty to have you this morning. you have guided ships under that bridge. you've sailed up that river. when you hear the loss of steering and propulsion, we saw the video yesterday where the lights blinked. what do you see as such as an experienced man in this area of what you saw in the video yesterday? >> yeah, the ship is about the

size of the aircraft carriers that i've had the opportunity to drive, because of their size and scale once you lose control of in this case it appears both the propulsion and the control of the steering, it's very difficult to stop the ship. and frankly, the only way you can stop it in that circumstance is, you could drop the anchors of the ship and it would sort of drag itself to a halt. but unfortunately where the casualty occurred where exactly the wrong place, not enough time to drop the anchors, you could also have tugs come out the small boats that push these monsters around the harbor and you can use tugs to stop it or you could have turned -- used a tug to kind of nudge it in a

different direction but they didn't have time to do any of those things, the way the navy thinks about this, every time a navy warship gets under way it practices, it drilts for this kind of circumstance and there are means onboard the ship to maneuver it by hand, if you will, but it takes time and unfortunately where this failure occurred just literally yards ahead of the bridge itself the ship just kind of drifted over to the right and as we saw hit the pier if you will, the support system on the bridge and collapsed it. so obviously this will be drilled into excruciating detail, probably take a year unpackage all of what i just said. >> ship of almost 1,000 feet

fully loaded, can't stop on a dime in that moment, we did quickly get that radio dispatch traffic that we heard, pretty extraordinary from time the mayday call goes out, we lost steering, we lost propulsion, only 22 seconds before police stop traffic on the bridge saving further loss of life there you would have to assume, are you struck by how this was handled, a tragedy but given the circumstances the mayday call goes out, the police do their job, just knowing what we know in these 24 hours, what strikes you about how this was handled? >> exactly as you said, the extreme professionalism here, what struck me having been in a lot of fairly tense situations over the years was the calmness of the voices, you know, it

just, hey we've got a ship that lost propulsion, he could be ordering a cheeseburger in a mcdonald's he's so calm and that's what you have to do in those situations you're trying to make time slow down and when you start screaming and ranting like the normal human would in that situation it's not very productive and in terms of the police response, to me this feels like a really superb active shooter kind of response, they're there, they immediately take exactly the right action, they save hundreds of lives, certainly if cars had just kept swerving across that bridge not knowing it had collapsed, kudos to the emergency response teams the dispatchers, we'll have to pull hard at the human error factor and maintenance of that ship but certainly the responders in baltimore harbor

can wake up this morning feeling very proud. >> the president went out yesterday gave an address on this issue the federal government will give whatever help that baltimore needs. >> we heard from the president and aides suggest that when the time is right he may pay a visit to baltimore, we should note that when the bridge collapsed in minneapolis last decade, congress moved very quickly in bipartisan fashion to pass federal funding. we hope that can happen here again but politics even more polarized than before. admiral, i want to get -- you're so familiar with all things nautical, to willie's point, how long will it take to clear the

debris, the wreckage from the collapsed bridge once the recovery operation is over, what would be your estimate once that port can be up and running again? >> i think it's going to be measured in months but certainly not in years, it will take a couple of months for sure to float the sections of the bridge, then they can be towed out of the way, the ship will be towed out very quickly, the problem will be what's under the water will have to be floated, toed away, there will have to be significant dredging through all of that. a somewhat similar circumstance, car carrier down in brunswick, georgia, it took months to clear it, so the good news is that the entire maritime expertise and infrastructure of the united states is sprinting toward

baltimore right now to try and solve this problem for exactly the reason you indicate, final thought the good news about the united states is we have a big network of ports up and down the east coast, there are alternatives, maersk, the largest shipper in the world just put out a statement indicating how they'll handle this kind of disruption. all of it however will require some number of months before that port can be fully reopened. >> all right, retired four-star navy admiral james stavridis, thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. so the judge overseeing donald trump's hush money trial has issued a new limited gag order on the former president because he was spouting off again disrespectfully under the new ruling trump is barred from making public statements about likely witnesses and jurors, he must refrain from discussing

lawyers, court staff, employees in the manhattan district attorney's office and their family members. in the order the judge said the move was necessary because trump's prior statements establish quote a significant risk to the administration of justice. with his legal bills piling up, dx dx is turning to -- religion of sort for help. more culty actually. in social media post yesterday, he announced he's hawking his own version of the -- bible. take a look. >> i'm proud to be partnering with my good friend lee greenwood. in connection with promoting the god bless the usa bible. this bible is the king james version and also includes our

founding father documents, yes, the constitution, which i'm fighting for every single day, christians are under siege, we must protect content that's pro-god, we love god, i'm proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible, we must make america pray again. i think you all should get a copy of god bless the usa bible now and help spread our christian values with others. >> trump's version of the good book is selling $60 following his other business ventures, trump steaks, trump water, trump university, last month he unveiled trump-branded sneakers going for $400 a pair. in december, he started selling pieces of the suit he was wearing when he got indicted last summer. the trump bible website states

that none of the profits will go toward his 2024 campaign. there's no mention however about whether the money might go toward his legal fees. let's bring in charlie sykes, he has a new piece on msnbc. this bible seems to me to be a new level of culty, it also if you listen to his comments it's painful but i did, he blames america for everything he's done to it, which is especially culty. what can be said, charlie, to a person who hears that, gets out their credit card and purchases a god bless the usa bible.

>> the first thing you say is oh, my god. not only culty, it's grifty, it's so much on brand for donald trump. obviously he's playing on the themes that i'm the defender of christianity, encouraging the christian nationalists out there. but he's commodifying the bible during the holy week. i mean, the cynicism here is not a news story, remind people that donald trump has been asked in the past what's your favorite verse of the bible and he has no idea, he talks about two corinthians. yet, you know, conservative

evangelical christians have swallowed this. they're going to draw the line when it comes to this, but this is so much donald trump. such an artifact of this political moment where this grifter who sells the golden tennis shoes is now selling the bible to christians at this particular moment. and you can't make it up and this is the earth 2.0. >> charlie makes the important point here that while he's on trial for paying off a porn star for an affair he had while his wife was home with their newborn child. he asking supporters to buy the bible $60. the idea that donald trump

espouses, quote, christian values as he said in that ad is ludicrous on its face, but people are going to buy the thing, we know that. >> quite the contrast, right the gag order followed by the bible video. you know, this has been something that's been evident with trump for a while now, infamous poll in the 2016 race where white evangelical voters were asked about their support for trump before and after the revelation of the stormy daniels allegations and their support went up, which was the shocking thing, i suppose it says more about the voters than trump. obviously, as charlie said, part of what trump does, he's sold everything from steak, to water, to shoes, this is his brand and people buy into it literally. the other element of the story it raise kind of important

questions about our campaign finance system, not the bibles, he's going public, truth social is going public right now on the stock exchange. that money will be used likely by trump to pay off not just his legal bills but potentially he could use that money to help his own campaign efforts and that really does raise questions about the porous holes we have in our campaign finance system and how easy it is for people who want to influence trump with huge checks. >> trump is showing some anxiety about the state of this campaign. he was on truth social early this morning, 1:52 a.m. attacking robert f. kennedy jr., suggesting that he's really

liberal, may draw some support from trump himself. he also as you write in your new piece for msnbc has made no or little effort to unite the party. nikki haley implored him try to support, to court my supporters. he has made no zero effort to do so. >> no, i don't think he will. given his demeanor, you know the caveat here, we've all seen the polls, we know how the republicans grassroots is rallying around donald trump. he has complete control over the party and the rnc. it's notable when you look at the number of the united states senator they're not going to vote for donald trump. lisa murkowski, todd young, bill

cassidy. you add in mitt romney, and one of the questions people should ponder for a moment, imagine if this was the democratic party, if this many members of the u.s. senate we're not going to support joe biden's bid for re-election, but the larger frame though is you look at the fact that i don't know in america history when this many leading members of the party including his former vice president, including his former chiefs of staff have come out publicly and said we worked with him, we're not supporting him again. as far as i can tell the only living republican nominee for president or vice president in this century that's supporting donald trump is sarah palin, everybody else is out whether you're talking about dick cheney, whether you're talking about george bush, mitt romney

or paul ryan. while donald trump has complete control of the republican party these are the cracks and the biden campaign is beginning to exploit this. >> all right, charlie sykes, thank you so much for coming on this morning. still ahead on morning joe, we'll continue to follow the latest out of baltimore in the aftermath of the key bridge collapse. maryland governor wes moore, transportation secretary pete buttigieg and baltimore mayor brandon scott will be our guests this morning. and also ahead, yesterday's oral arguments before the supreme court in a case that can restrict access to popular abortion drug. and amy klobuchar of minnesota will join the conversation. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. we'll be ri. n for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo!

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the supreme court heard arguments yesterday in a case that could threaten the widespread use of the abortion pill mifepristone. centers around the fda's approval and expansion of access of the pill by mail. research showed the drug was safe enough and rules around its use could be relaxed. a lower court disagreed and reimposed restrictions. a group of seven doctors and anti-abortion groups challenged the fda's decision to lift restrictions and said the agency didn't adequately consider potential safety risks. but the justices seemed skeptical. they're also not legally

required to do so. nbc news reports under well established precedent when people file a lawsuit they have to show they've been injured and their injury can be redressed by the person or entity that they are suing. justices from both ideological extremes of the court why existing laws that allow doctors to object treatments are not enough. >> under federal law, no doctors can be forced against their consciences to perform or assist in an abortion, correct. >> yes, we think that federal consciences provide broad coverages here. >> the obvious commonsense remedy would be to provide them with an exemption that they don't have to participate in this procedure. i guess then what they're asking for in this lawsuit is more than that, they're saying because we

object to having to be forced to participate in this procedure, were seeking an order preventing anyone from having access to these drugs at all. and i guess i'm just trying to understand how they could possibly entitled to that given the jury they had allege zbld women who are waiting for the health care they need while all of this is being discussed because of dobbs, because of the overturning of roe, the first major abortion issue the court is considering since it overturned roe v. wade two years ago. joining us now msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. explain what happened yesterday and where this goes from here. >> likely an issue of standing, the court may not reach the merits of the case and standing is constitutional requirement, it requires a case or controversy and it requires a plaintiff who has an actual

concrete stake in the outcome of the case and it can't be speculative, the idea that these doctors are talking about a possible injury that might happen for example another doctor prescribes the abortion pill, there are complications, they're called into the e.r. to provide treatment in a way that's against their conscience or religious beliefs and as we talked about there are federal protections for exactly that. standing is designed to prevent the kind of tyranny, if the supreme court justice was watching this show and said, you know, hey, i have an opinion about this, maybe i'll issue a judicial opinion and change the law or prevents a single plaintiff who has no interest in the outcome like a citizen from saying i don't agree with the war if the middle east i'm going to sue the federal government and bring it to a grinding halt. that's standing.

you need imminent harm. >> the actual argument, yesterday, these justices were unpersuaded by the plaintiffs' argument. perhaps justice alito or thomas were entertaining it. >> couple of different things, if they reach the merits, number one, who should be making these decisions? should the court which is composed of lawyers like me probably didn't have a lot of science in school, should they be second-guessing the fda process, one of the good points that solicitor general made, look, there are other mechanisms, lawsuits are a way to change whether or not drugs are legally allowed or legally safe, i mean, there are many different mechanisms other than challenging the fda in court. the other thing that justices

seemed to question, the idea, should they grant this broad relief where they prevent anyone from having the pill when you're talking about a small sliver of people who may not be able to articulate a significant concrete injury, on a whole if you're betting this is probably a case that doesn't go in the way the doctors challenge. they don't have to reach the issues. >> all right, danny stay with us. we appreciate that. joining us now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. really good to have you on the show. >> thanks, mika. >> have to ask you, due to the overturning roe is why we're here today and we know that abortion healthcare is not based on religion or the history of

christianity, it's not. it's not where america is on this, i think increasingly americans are see why this health care is needed as women are bleeding out, becoming sterilized, traumatized, having their lives threatened because they can't get the abortion health care they need which gives me back to the cult leader hawking the bible. he overturned roe to create supreme court that was able to do that. it's easy to call the bible grifty that he's selling online and make fun of it because he usually holds bibles upside-down. but senator, what can be said to the person who's on all-in on this and who will pick up a credit card and buy this bible because i actually think the

abortion argument and everything that's happening to this country it's summed up in his presentation and his selling of the bible but i think it's lost on the folks who want to buy it are they lost? unreachable? >> okay, i'm going to separate the issue where people on abortion to him hawking bibles. i keep going back to the ten commandments and those commandments about keeping the sabbath holy as we approach the easter weekend, the commandments about not using the lord's name in vain and here you have someone who's literally taking a holy book and selling it and putting it out there in order to make money for his campaign. can he legally do it? i assume that he can. but usually, candidates are selling things like t-shirts or in the case of my presidential campaign we had amy earrings,

okay, these are things to allow supporters to have some fun and show they support the candidate. he's going this way. i think the way that he has dead grated people with disabilities. these things are not consistent with the teachings of the bible. he can be out there hawking all he wants. to me it's just one moment of hypocrisy, i hope people step back and look at what he's said and done in his life. look at that and look at what the teachings of the bible are and make a decision about who they're going to support or not. as many moderate republicans

that was pointed out on the show like lisa murkowski and mitt romney are coming to a different conclusion about who they're going to support for president. >> senator, good morning. i want to bring you back to the supreme court oral arguments we heard yesterday about mifepristone. . justices appeared very skeptical of the plaintiffs' argument standing and the merits of it. but larger point, let's say for arguments sake, they don't find for the plaintiffs in this case and don't take up the case, is this case like the alabama ivf ruling, the supreme court down at the state level, do you believe this is the product of what we saw two years ago if dobbs, people after dobbs who said don't be alarmist about this, mostly conservatives don't be alarmist it's about abortion, it's not about ivf, not about

birth control and yet here we are. >> exactly. and number one, legal analysis correct, they were deeply skeptical, my guess is they're going to throw this out based on standing. people like gorsuch saying this is small lawsuit with big implications. elena kagan said who's the person, where's the harm? let's put this aside. these are the trump-appointed justices a number of them that were the ones that got us into this mess in first place by overturning roe v. wade. they wanted to give it back to states, it's coming right back to this court, now you have a situation where challenges are being made to the fda's authority which if they went that way would not only mean about mifepristone but would also apply to things like birth control, if you can just have a group of random doctors come in

and say, hey, this is not in consistent with our beliefs to that or ivf as you point out, then you have chaos, you don't have expert decisions being made to protect the safety of people. you're not allowing these decisions to be made between a woman and her doctor. this is the natural outcome of these trump-appointed justices and clearly the public is not with these extremists, 70%, 80% depending on the polls, states like ohio, wisconsin, ballot measures or elections relevant to this they've sided with the woman's right to make her own decisions about her health care not politicians. >> senator, sam stein here. to your point, last night there was a relatively obscure statehouse election in al where the candidate ran well ahead of

margins in the last largely on the platform of protecting ivf and abortion rights, i'm wondering based on that and you know what's fairly lengthy record of special election results in which democrats have outperformed expectations if the post-dobbs era, one, do you feel confident that this issue still has resonance up and through november, two are there plans in place for the party to capitalize i aggressively on the issue? maybe perhaps congressional votes or hearings or things that could put this issue more front and center for the voters in the lead-up to the vote. >> i don't know if the word is capitalized. because the voters are brining it back to us. when that girl victim of incest,

young girl age 10 ends up getting pregnant and has to go to another state to get her health care, people are outraged by these stories and they've been starting to go on all over the country. i know minnesota is in the middle of states, clinics have had to move to our state. the alabama outcome in that state race gives support for why the president, the vice president, heading down to the south on various issues everything from work done on the economy and the like but a lot of this is because people value their freedoms in the south in the midwest anywhere in the country. race after race after race from the prairies in the kansas to what we just saw in a ballot measure in ohio with a 11-vote measure whether people are democrats, moderate republicans

or ind pin dents they're siding with the democrats and joe biden's support for freedom. they don't want to go back to the chaos and 50 years ago. they don't want to go back to the 1950s or the 1850s which is exactly what this republican party is arguing that they do with the comstock law. >> amy klobuchar, thanks for being here. donald trump is very busy here in new york with a couple of different cases on his hands, but yesterday, as we mentioned at top of the show, a gag order he's received this previously in other cases but the judge saying now you can't talk about witnesses, you can come after me, alvin bragg, you may not go after witnesses, you may not go after other people inside the courtroom. >> or potential jurors, part of

this as well. we have seen trump defy some of these gag orders before, we'll see what he does here. as noted he was up all night weighing in on topics. hasn't touched this one. danny, this gag order, how will it be enforced for someone who is running for president? he has a major platform whenever he wants it. how will it work. >> gag orders raise a number of first amendment issues. for example the weakest gag orders directed against the press, not involved in the court proceeding, outside observers who have first amendment rights. . the easiest people to gag in a case is the lawyers, to some degree we've consented to control by the court, we're

officers of the court, so it's much easier from first amendment perspective to keep us from speaking. who are you protecting? for example, who we protect the most are jurors and witnesses. if we don't protect jurors no one will show up for jury duty. and witnesses. protecting them is a lot easier to do. trump will continue to be able to make comments about the judge and in a sense judges or politicians they kind of consent to that kind of criticism but we've never seen this with an ex-president. but the gag orders are always challengeable in a sense. >> willie, gag order needed because of the threats of violence. others involved in trump legal

cases have received these threats and they feel that trump can stir it up further. >> danny, thank you very much as always. sam stein, thank you as well. coming up next, hostage negotiations stalling now between israel and hamas. prime minister netanyahu blaming the united nations cease-fire resolution. e resolution for people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized myasthenia gravis and who are anti-achr antibody positive, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control,

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hostage release deal, yesterday israeli prime minister netanyahu announced that hamas rejected the latest proposal, over the weekend israel agreed to free about 500 palestinian prisoners. hamas, though, still demanding israel withdraw from the gaza strip, netanyahu refuses to do that, the prime minister blamed the deadlock talks on america's decision to allow the united nations to pass a resolution. the united states denies that claim calling it inaccurate in almost every respect. let's take the last part of that, first of all, prime minister netanyahu's right he doesn't have good faith negotiating partner in hamas,

but the u.n. resolution, netanyahu says that's why these cease-fire talks are being stalled. what's your sense of things? >> the united states announced it heard from hamas it wasn't going to go ahead with the cease-fire before the u.n. security council vote, the fact that prime minister misrepresented the timing and the sequencing blaming it on the united states, again he's doubling down on criticizing joe biden. willie, i'm old enough to remember one way you'd abroad i managed israel's most important relationship with the united states. you now have a place in israeli prime minister who increasingly is hinging his political future not on managing israel's future with the united states, but on damaging it. it's interesting. this is beginning to get

traction in israel. you read the israeli newspapers yesterday and today, more and more commentators questioning why he is questioning joe bud en. -- biden. >> is this just politics? he is trying to save his own skin at home? why so aggressive with the united states? >> i believe it is politics. he hitched his wagon to a strategy that cannot succeed f you're going go after hamas to destroy it, there's got to be two dimensions. one is military dimension. we can argue over israeli tactics. i think they've been counterproductive and heavy handed. but there has to be a political dimension. the you conditioned sideline or marginalize a group without offering an alternative. his strategy not succeed. we're seeing where hamas suffered military setbacks. they're beginning to come back. again, if there is a vacuum, it will be filled. i really believe the prime

minister cannot succeed on his strategy or policy. therefore, he is falling back on his politics. >> to that point, israeli forces cleared the hospital months ago. they had to do it again because hamas moved back into that area. richard, we read this statement, the white house deeply frustrated with benjamin netanyahu. what other cards does biden have to play carrot or stick to nudge netanyahu to where they want to go which is eventually a real cease-fire here and beyond that, a two-state solution? >> we've seen two cards. the sanctions against settlers involved in violence. we've seen a drop. and now we've seen the u.n. vote. there could be further sanctions against israel. last friday, the israelis announced that 2,000 acres had been stain by the state for new settlements. -- been taken by the state for new settlements. they may say you can have the weapons system but you can't use

it in the following ways to have denial of weapons systems. i think what we're doing is going down the road where israel is defying american policy and the united states is going to have to go up the escalation ladder. >> take a look at the view of the israeli people that want hostages back, who suffered a horrific attack on october 7th that they will never forget. hamas, many israelis believe, deserve to be rooted out as the prime minister said. what is the israeli government, what is the prime minister supposed to do with a terrorist death cult on the other side of the negotiating table asking for 800 prisoners, release some of them serving life sentences in exchange for 40 hostages. how do they negotiate reasonably with that group? is. >> they may not be able to. hamas in the beginning took the hostages because they knew it would give them leverage and want to keep them because without them, israel will act in a really unconstrained answer. i can't give you a satisfying answer to that.

this is an entity that has a lot of autonomy. i understand the israeli frustration. yesterday you had the terrible stories, the sexual assault of the israeli woman. all you can do is hope the combination works, military pressure, freeing prisoners and so force. they're not going to move out of gaza 100%. they're not going to agree to a total cease-fire and they shouldn't. my view is they should rule out major military operations. they shouldn't agree to a total cease-fire if they have intelligence they can get the hamas leader, they should be prepared to do that. >> so, richard, i want to move to your latest piece for project syndicate. "america's year of living dangerously." you write in part, "the near future consists of three distinct phased. the first phase already underway

and will continue through november 5th. the problem is, already in plain sight, with politics taking priority over policy, it has become nearly impossible to enact important legislation. the second distinct set of challenges will follow election day. the peaceful transfer of power. a hallmark of the american system can no longer be assumed. the 75-day window between election and inauguration could well become the most perilous phase of a dangerous year. and the third and final challenge will begin early next year on inauguration day. if biden is re-elected, much will depend on whether his election is accepted by trump supporters and on which party controls the senate and the house." richard, i guess it's, i don't know, probably close, but what worries you the most about these three phases that you say are fraught with danger?

>> the most is the 75-day phase between election day and inauguration day. now, before the election, after the inauguration, the real challenge is dysfunction. i'm worried about potential for real constitutional and political crisis and violence if we have a situation where the election isn't accepted, where there are challenges to the electoral college. that's what we saw january 6th. i think it's possible we could see a reprise of it and should worry about that. one of the basic norms in american history, the peaceful transfer of power, we can no longer assume it. and if there is a close election, joe biden wins, you know and i know, it will be challenged not just in at the congress but potentially in the streets. >> yeah. it's wide when someone, you know, brushes off january 6th as nothing, that is just a line. that's a line that's being crossed in our country. richard, thank you very much for

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we will rebuild the bridge as soon as humanly possible. we'll make sure the state gets the support it needs. it's minute tension that federal government will pay for the entire cost of the reconstruction of the bridge. i expect the congress to support my effort. this is going to take some time. the people of baltimore can count on us, though, to stick with them at every step of the way until the port is reopened and the bridge is rebuilt. you know, we're not leaving until this job gets done. >> how quickly will will go to more? >> i do plan to go and as quickly as i can. >> president biden yesterday at the white house addressing the bridge disaster in baltimore. we'll get the latest on the collapse with a live report from

the scene in just a moment. plus, maryland governor wes moore and transportation secretary pete buttigieg will be our guest this morning. welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 27th. jonathan is still with us. joining us the conversation we have nbc news and msnbc political analyst, former u.s. senator claire mccaskill. she is co-host of the podcast, "how to win 2024." a lot to talk to clair about today. we start with the national transportation safety board investigating the collapse of the key bridge in baltimore after a containership slammed into one of the bridge's support beams. investigators are looking at mechanical issues aboard the ship. tom costello has more. >> reporter: it was pitch black as the dali headed out sea,

traveling at 9 miles per hour, it took four minutes from the first signs of trouble to the moment the ship crashed into the bridge. at 1:24 a.m., the lights went out on the ship's deck. they came back on a minute later as dark smoke started billowing from the stack. at 1:26 a.m., the dali appeared to turn. at the same time, the lights went out again. two minutes later, at 1:28 a.m., the ship collided with the bridge. the super structure crumbling into the river below. >> we searched as best we could. >> reporter: among the questions for investigators, did the bridge have sufficient barriers to protect the support structures? >> once the bridge is impacted directly in one of the piers, key bridge or another bridge that, is the end. >> referee: under u.s. law, ships entering and leaving u.s. ports must use a local pilot to help navigate the waters. >> they have all the knowledge of the waterways, they memorize the charts. they can literally draw the chart from scratch on a piece of paper. >> reporter: a local pilot

wassen on the ship. >> there is -- was on the ship. >> there is nothing worse on a ship than when it goes quiet. >> reporter: ships are backed up in baltimore harbor. investigators are on the scene. they will recover the ship's data recorders, examine the ship's safety and maintenance records. >> reporter: an online data base shows it has had 27 inspections with two deficiencies found. last year a problem with propulsion and 2016, the ship hit a port damaging the hull. because the ship is flanked to singapore, a team from that country is also responding. built in 1977, the francis scott key kij was constructed to handle heavy traffic. removing the wreckage from the water and rebuilding the bridge could take years. >> tom costello reporting there. joining us live from baltimore, nbc news correspondent antonia

hilton. what you are hearing? >> good morning. well, look, the search and rescue stage of this is now officially over. and the six missing people are presumed dead by authorities here. this is after we watched all day yesterday first responders in helicopters out in boats on the water diving in, in very complex conditions, very low visibility, of course, tons and tons of debris there. and frigid temperatures. doing everything they could to maintain hope and save lives. nbc news has also had the chance to speak with family and friends of the six victims. what we're learning is that these are men, fathers from places like el salvador, honduras, guatemala and mexico that they came to this country to build a better life for their families and that night they were on the bridge filling potholes and trying to do a service, a public good for all of us. so, this is really compounding all of the grief here. of course, the immigrant communities here in the baltimore area, the dmv area are

experiencing another level of pain. and the community is grappling with all the same investigative questions that tom costello just raised there. you know, what more might we learn about this bridge built back in the 1970s. what more will investigators find out about the technical and mechanical aspects of what is happening on this vessel? but also, potential human error here. who might be held responsible for what this community is now going to be dealing with for months and potentially years to come? i had a conversation with an elderly couple last night that says that with the bridge down, they're not going to be able to get to medical appointments they need to get to and traveling at their age is difficult enough as it is. so, these are the real challenges people, every day people are going to be facing as they wait for the federal government and the governor here in maryland to be able to get the process reopening this port and rebuilding this bridge. the only thing that people seem to able to agree on is that this is going to be a very, very long road. there is a lot of work and pain

ahead. >> we're going to talk to the governor in a few minutes here. we do want go back to that sequence of events that tom costello showed us in those re-creations which is to say the power goes out and within 22 seconds, the police, because the may day goes out from the ship's bridge, 22 seconds, police, law enforcement have stopped traffic on the bridge. clearly saving lives by doing so. but as the admiral was telling us, it wasn't enough time for a ship fully loaded of that size to stop it to reverse it, to get an anchor down, to get a tug boat to it, to do anything that you would like to do. it just didn't have time. engineers yesterday, a man and woman, saying that bridge never stood a chance. it wasn't a structural deficiency likely. it was a massive ship plowing into it. so, clearly the ntsb, the governor, everybody else is looking at how this went down. it does appear the response, anyway, was pretty much all you

could ask for. >> absolutely. i mean, one thing that people have been emphasizing to us as reporters on the ground is this is a ship about the size of the empire state building. i think it's hard for most people, americans, to think about how heavy this was. and as you said, just the reality that a bridge like this could not support that kind of impact, that strike from this vessel. so, while it doesn't appear that the bridge is necessarily going to be at fault here, that doesn't mean that that keeps investigators from asking questions about, you know, what other safety precautions could be taken, especially as they consider the rebuilding phase now. i think what is very likely is at least from the experts that we spoke to is that an entirely new bridge, a new design is going to be necessary here. they're not going to re-create the iconic bridge built in the '70s that so many people in this area know and love. it is going to look different. it may take years to get there.

>> nbc news correspondent antonia hilton, thank you very much for that reporting this morning. so, we turn to politics now. biden and trump campaigns went after one another yesterday over whether or not trump would repeal obama care should he be re-elected. in a post on truth social, trump wrote, i'm not running to terminate the aca as crooked joe buden disinformates all the time. in other words, make the aca much, much better for far less money or cost to our grest american citizens. those are typos by the former president in response they responded by writing, a feeble and confused trump posts a typo-riddled all caps rant

misspelling biden, disinforms, misinforms and other basic words. in addition, the campaign posted a montage of trump threatening to repeal obama care. >> i told the republicans, look, if you really want to do something, just let it explode. and then they'll come begging us to fix it. okay? begging. this is a newer subject but obama care is a disaster. i said we're going to do something about it. we're going to win by knocking the hell out of obama care, terminating it, coming up with something much less expensive. much better. >> all right. claire mccaskill, i'll let you launch on this. i'm thinking about that post that former trump put out. i'm saying if you think this cult leader facist wanna be isn't losing it, i have a bible to sell you.

>> yeah. yeah. you know, i hope the people who buy that bible read it. because if they do, they will realize that they have done some things that jesus specifically warned about that, is following a false prophet. following someone who does not represent the values of christianity in any way whatsoever. listen, just in november of 2023, trump put out something on his social media saying how bad it was that the republicans didn't vote in large enough numbers to terminate aca the last time he tried. so, i was there. i watched them try to terminate without anything to replace it with. i think now obama care or aca is so deeply engrained in our health care system. so many people are getting

benefits from it. millions and millions -- we have more people that have health care today than ever before in this country. and that is because of that law. yes, it was hard at first because it was changed. and change is always hard. but now he is really barking up the wrong tree on this. i think it is one of many things, including women's health care generally and the freedom for them to get the health care they need is going to be front and center in this campaign. it should be the culture war of this campaign. >> we were talking about the rapid response lately, the aggressive posture now that biden campaign is taking about trump, about being feeble minded and weak and all the things that trump is accusing joe biden of being. that gives us an opportunity to remember joe button, his 2003 song "pump it up." >> a good trip down memory lane. they seized upon that campaign

with a picture of joe button. so, look, wilmington, we know the biden campaign has a significant cash advantage over the trump team. part of it to do deep dives like this into joe button rap legacy. so this is, of course, partst president's re-election campaign with the president visiting eight swing states in 18 days. throughout the month, biden crisscrossed the country visiting the southwest, blue wall and the south. campaign stops focused on border security, lowering healthcare and housing costs and celebrating investments. in the states he visited, biden won three, georgia, wisconsin, arizona, by less than 1%. i want to bring you in this. you can comment on joe button if you like. more than that, it's about what we've seen from the president since the state of the union address. reassured democrats. democrats were nervous that he wasn't up for the job. that clearly worked. but it also kicked off this blitz of travel where he's

raising a lot of money. he has a huge fund-raiser tomorrow with new york city with former presidents obama and clinton. contrast that to trump who is barely on the road at all. how do you think things are going for the re-election campaign? >> yeah. i don't hear him talking about the basement much anymore. we've got a situation where joe biden is aggressively going out to swing states and campaigning vigorously. meanwhile, we have a fat guy sitting oen a golf cart. he's not doing anything. his rallies are smaller. i don't think people covered that enough. and he's got real problems in his party. if you just look at the primary results, joe biden has done so much better in the primaries than donald trump has. in every single one. he has overperformed the polling and donald trump has underperformed on the polling.

i think the polling is off. it worries me because if the polling is off, like i believe it is and joe biden wins, like i hope he does, that is just another reason that trum whop use to sew the distrust and chaos and possibly violence that he did last time. >> all right. stay with us. we've got a lot more to get to. still ahead on "morning joe," wes moore and transportation secretary pete buttigieg are standing by. we'll talk about the response to yesterday's catastrophic bridge collapse in baltimore as well as the plans for recovery in the entire area. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. watching "" we'll be right back. nothing comes close to this place in the morning. i'm so glad i can still come here. you see, i was diagnosed with obstructive hcm. and there were some days i was so short of breath.

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we're grateful for the rescuer who's rushed to the scene and the people of baltimore. we're with you. we're going to stay with you as long as it takes. around 850,000 vehicles go through that port every single year. and we're going to get it up and running again as soon as possible. 15,000 jobs depend on that port. >> president biden at the white house yesterday on the federal government's response to the bridge collapse in baltimore. joining us now, u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg. thank you for your time this morning. obviously this first and foremost is a huge an tragedy. there are six people he whose families are mourning them today. from your point of view, they'll also a transportation -- a logistical and infrastructure disaster. how do you begin to get your arms around a place so vital to commerce in this country? >> you're right. hour hearts go out to all of the victims and the first responders who unquestionably saved lives

in their response to this incident. now we have to prepare for what is next. that key bridge was a very important thorough fair for vehicles and because the bridge is down and the ship is still there, that channel is closed. that is the main channel really the only channel to get to the majority of the port facilities in baltimore. it's not just cars. that includes a lot of farm equipment which is very important export for the american economy. there is a small area that is outside of the bridge. it is sparrow point. we're already looking at how that could play a role in getting through this next period. it is nothing like the capacity that is in the main part of the port itself. and thousands of workers, you know, if goods aren't moving, they're not getting paid. the so we're very concerned for them. and the bottom line is that we

are doing everything that can be done. >> you are confident, first, that can be rerouted? that there are enough ports on the east coast in the northeast to handle all of that? and the second question is a more local one which is we're just hearing from our reporter in baltimore about every day residents of baltimore that are not sure how they're going to get to work or medical appointments and things like that. what do you say to them? >> that's right. there is about 30,000 vehicles a day that normally go over that bridge. they have to be diverted and rerouted. there are alternate routes. 295 and 895 that the majority of that traffic will be routed to. certainly going to add to commute times and complicate a lot of people's routines and lives until that bridge is back in service. on supply chain front, there are

certainly many ports on the east coast. there is no substitute for the port of baltimore being up and running. what we're doing is working with our newly created multimodal freight office. it has been stood up just since those supply chain issues that we encountered on the west coast in 2021 because of covid. and will play a key role along with them. in helping to make sure that we can smooth out the supply chains. if they go out of service and planes have to be diverted, there is a centralized air traffic control that tells those airplanes what to do and where to go. they all make independent decisions. so, we're using our convening ability as the department of transportation to make sure that more of the parties are talking

to each other. i think that work that is built up over recent years is going to serve us well. >> all right. we'll let you get back to work. pete buttigieg, mr. secretary, thank you for your time this morning. joining us now from baltimore, maryland's democratic governor wes moore. governor moore. we're so sorry for what happened in your state and city. our hearts go out to those people, the families of the six construction workers up on that bridge. can you speak a little bit about the phone call you got in the middle of the night last night and what happened from there? >> yeah. i've come to learn this role when my phone rings in the middle of the night, it's never good news. the and i remember when the phone rang and the mayor of baltimore and then my chief of staff and they said the key bridge is gone. i said what do you mean gone? they said it collapsed. this is something that is iconic for all of us in baltimore and all of us in the state of

maryland. this bridge has been here as long as i've been alive. and we're talking about something that over 35,000 people transport this briblg every single day. and, so, the economic impact is massive. but also just the human impact of that catastrophe that took place is truly devastating for us here. >> governor moore, good morning. we're learning, though, about the quick thinking and heroism of some of the involved last night. the crew was able to may day from the ship that they were out of power which allowed workers on the bridge to stop traffic potentially saving dozens of lives there. tell us more about what you've learned about those moments right before and after impact. >> yeah. the thing we know so far is that when they called in for may day explaining that power had gone out and they lost the ability to steer the ship, that was able to notify the heroism first responders who immediately sprung in action. and they were able to get on the

bridge to start notifying the people who were on the bridge that they needed to get off the bridge. and then also begin to stop that flow of traffic that was taking place. the fact that they were able to stop cars from coming on to the bridge, that saved countless lives. because had more cars been on that bridge when it collapsed this would have turned a catastrophic incident into a more catastrophic incident. the debt of gratitude we have towards first responders, it's incalculatable. >> where does the investigation stand? is foul play completely ruled out? >> yeah. so we're in the process of a thorough investigation to identify exactly what happened, what led to the power failure and what led to the inability for that ship to be able to change direction. when we talk about a ship that size moving at that clip, there is not much infrastructure that

can take on that brunt level of force. we have to look into it. all indications are showing that this was not terrorism nor any form of nefarious intent. the thing we do know is that, you know, what we're doing on the ground is marshalling all the resources. all the state resources, all the federal resources. and just being able to really lead this charge to focus on a healing and the rebuilding of what is going to be a very long process for us. >> governor, as you laid out this is for people that don't know the area this is -- this is the main artery. this is not just for baltimore and not just for the state of maryland but up and down the east coast. it's so critical. i put the same question to you i put to secretary buttigieg, what are you saying to marylanders about getting to work and medical appointments? this is a huge blow to so many people, obviously. >> it is. and what we're saying to people is that, you know, we're coordinating the efforts to create alternative routes for

people to be able to move forward, for people to be able to get to school and get to work. and maintain a certain level of normalcy. but we're also letting people know that this is going to be long. and we're going to need to be, as we say, maryland tough and baltimore strong in this moment. but the economic impact of the port of baltimore is tremendous. and not just to the state of maryland. it's tremendous to the entire country. we're talking over 51 million tons of foreign cargo. the largest in the country. we're talking about the largest port for vehicles, for heavy trucks, for agriculture equipment. this is not just going to impact maryland. this is impacting farmers in kentucky. it's impacting auto dealers in michigan. this is impacting the entire country. so, we have to be able to move with speed. the we have to move with urgency. and it's the reason that we're going to coordinate all of the efforts to make sure that we can get to a sense of completion and

we've got to do it quickly. >> all right. maryland governor wes moore. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we'll be checking back in for sure. so, i'm curious. the president offered full support. you see the governor there and we'll be hearing from the mayor of baltimore as well, doing everything he can. just wondering down the road when congress is needed to help in any way, how that will bode for the economy and the baltimore area trying to find new solutions to keep the commerce going, trying to rebuild the bridge. could that have a negative impact on everything that has to be efforted now? i'm thinking they botched. they killed a border bill that they wanted that would have been the strongest border bill they could have ever gotten ever. and letting ukrainians die, arguing over our foreign policy in a way that doesn't even make

them look like republicans. >> i thought it was interesting that president spoke to the idea that he would get support from congress for additional funding if it was needed. i don't have that confidence. just to compare and contrast, when harry truman ran for president and that famous year where the headline said that he had won and all the polls said that truman didn't have a chance of winning. he labelled congress a do-nothing congress. and that congress passed over 900 pieces of legislation. this one is the least productive congress in our lifetimes. and, frankly, i think there may be, if you don't count the bills they have to pass to keep the government open, i think maybe they're at 50 pieces of legislation compared to 900 for

a do-nothing congress. they can't get anything passed. they can't pass anything. so, it is really a problem because of what's going on in the house of representatives, with the republican party for us to deal with real problems americans face like those that our viewers are seeing on our screen right now. now, the good news is there is a lot of resources that were brought to infrastructure through the president's bipartisan infrastructure accomplishment. some of the resources i'm confident can be diverted to deal with this emergency. so, i think it is a situation where because of the success of joe biden in getting something done that, you know, as i referred to earlier, the fat guy on the golf cart couldn't get done in four years is going to be resources that can be brought to bear quickly. i predict this bridge will go up much faster than most people think it will. >> i would say, least productive congress, definitely in our

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president biden is doubling down on north carolina, making a campaign stop there yesterday with vice president harris as the two try to flip the state blue for the first time since 2008. they delivered passionate remarks in efforts to expand affordable health care access and blasting republican extremists, trying to restrict reproductive health care and medicare expansion. nbc news correspondent has more on the pivotal role north carolina could play this november. >> hello. hello. >> reporter: a biden campaign show of force in north carolina. >> it is good to be back in this beautiful state. >> reporter: the president and vice president on the trail together, working to buck a losing streak for democratic presidential candidates here. while democrats haven't won a

presidential race here in north carolina since 2008, in 2020, president biden came within striking distance, losing by just 1.3%. but this year with state polls showing a tight battle, north carolina's democrats hope down ballot races will drive energy up the party ticket. >> josh stein. >> reporter: starting with the race for governor where democratic attorney general josh stein is beating mark robinson who earned headlines for making controversial and incendiary comments. >> now is not the time for this party to have weaklings who are not willing to stand up and face the hoard. >> reporter: stein campaigning with biden and keeping the focus on public education at his individual stops. they elected a republican in the last seven cycles. >> voters will go one way in

federal races and another way in state races. it's just the dynamic. there is a sort of inherent sense of balance. >> reporter: a balance the biden campaign is vowing to tilt in 2024, this week unveiling the strategy in the south, policy focused visits to north carolina and georgia, tens of millions spent on early television ads. >> and joe biden gets that. >> reporter: and the focus on key suburban areas where nikki haley showed strength in the republican primary. >> yeah. and i'm saying why not? like why not north carolina? why not every state in the south right now do we not see that type of investment? >> reporter: the chair of the north carolina democratic party says that the efforts need to continue for biden to overcome the political headwinds if getting rural voters to breaking voter apathy. >> yes, he can win that state. is that going to be an easy thing to do? no. it's going to be a fight. it takes boots on the ground. it takes people getting out into the communities and building the

coalitions to say this is how they fought for us. >> that was our nbc news correspondent reporting from north carolina. and joining us now is democratic governor roy cooper of north carolina. governor, thank you so much for being on this morning. so, biden is behind trump in some polls at this point. can he flip the tar heel state blue? what is it going to take? >> yesterday we see how public policy affects how people vote. this shows the best of joe biden and the worst of donald trump. every north carolinian cares about health care access. we have a million people on the marketplace for the o fordable care act. and we just in a very difficult bipartisan hard-working way are able to expand medicaid. the we're signing up 1,000

people a day. i think one of the best days as governor is being able hand to penny a new health care card. she battled cancer. she had fallen into the gap. because of medicaid expansion, she was able to finally get health insurance along with hundreds of thousands of other people. and to put that in place, joe biden as vice president had to get this affordable care act in place for celebrating the 14th anniversary of that. and we had to work hard getting republican sheriffs, republican rural county commissioners, chambers of commerce to force the republican legislature to expand medicaid. it was a coalition of people. now trump wants to come and snatch that health care card away from penny. mark robinson who is running for governor against our democratic nominee and josh stein wants to do the same thing.

people aren't going to stand for that in north carolina. and if we can continue to talk about these issues, this contrast in health care, in women's reproductive health, and going back to the cultural wars which north carolina doesn't want to do, remember that battlefield of the bathroom bill that not only was wrong in and of itself but turned business as way from north carolina? why do we want to go back to those policies in north carolina? i believe tend of the day, we can turn north carolina blue. like josh stein as governor and we can win this state for joe biden. >> so, governor, i think the winning issues are there, for sure. but i want to ask you a question i asked a few others on the show this morning. how do democrats in north carolina cope with that

contrast, with the alternative trump who is compelling to a lot of north carolina voters, who is selling bibles, his own god bless america or usa holy bible during a religious holiday and using religion now in a distorted way, if i may, to make money that probably will be used for his legal bills in a hush money case which involves having sex with a porn star and paying her off. to keep her mouth shut. i know, it's explicit. it's difficult. but how do you cope with the reality of this alternative. who is compelling, who really sweeps a lot of voters. >> it's hard to comprehend. but it's there. and it's real. and we know that all too well in

north carolina because trump has won our state two times. i think people have struggled to get their head around the fact that this is actually going to be a rematch of the 2020 election. and i think every day working people that are worried about feeding their family and getting health care and looking after their parents or grandparents, making sure that their kids get a good education, they're not thinking about politics. i think polls reflect that. now, this really can't be a rematch. the fact is it is a choice between joe biden and donald trump. we believe that we can get people -- when they know that women's reproductive freedom is on the line and the majority of north carolinians support women's reproductive freedom, when they know that health care is on the line and clearly trump has said he wants to do away the repeal and replace thing.

said the repeal a lot. but there is really no replace. we understand that that's not going to happen. we believe that we can increase the turnout of democrats in all areas of our state and counties like charlotte which has more registered democrats than any other county, their turnout is pretty low. when we can get people fired up and understanding what's at stake, our democracy is on the ballot. when we pull them altogether, we believe we can push this thing over the top. it was very close last night. i mean, last time. in 2016, he beat hillary clinton by 3.6%. only beat joe biden by 1.3%. our cities are getting bluer. a lot of the people coming into north carolina are college

educated. the demographic are trending our way. it's important for our country that north carolina do well. because the road to the white house might very well go through north carolina. we're fighting hard here. we know what's on the line. >> governor, the numbers you all just laid out are all accurate and barack obama is the only democrat to win a presidential election in north carolina in the last 50 years, almost since jimmy carter. i ask you as someone in 2016 when donald trump exploded on to the scene, you won your first term as governor despite the power of donald trump in the state of virginia. you won narrowly i think you would concede, but you won in 2020, re-elected more comfortably. what is your advice then to the man you would like to see succeed you in that position, josh stein, the attorney general. but also to president biden about what you need to do as a democrat to win a state like north carolina? >> well who they are fits the bill. josh stein was the head of my

consumer protection division when i was attorney general. i have known him two decades. he has determination and grit. we know what joe biden is automobile to do for decades in negotiating bipartisan legislation that affected the every day lives of americans. i think it's important. people respect elected leaders who listen to them and who act on what they have heard. that's what we have done in north carolina. i have been able to do that. the political bubble said you couldn't pass medicaid expansion with a republican legislature because the republican leaders told them so. yet, we went to these rural republican counties and asked them and they talked about hospitals closing and how hard it was on law enforcement and how hard it was on small businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. and we were able to organize them to lobby their own legislators auntil it was

overwhelming and republicans finally voted for medicaid expansion. people respect hard work. i think people respect action that affects them positively. both josh stein and joe biden have amazing stories to tell. so, we're going to be telling the stories as well as warning the people what can happen. we saw trump's first presidency. we ain't seen nothing yet. if he gets elected president again. >> for sure. democratic governor roy cooper of north carolina, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. and coming up, we'll take a look at some of the stories making headline across the country including an urgent effort to increase measles vaccinations in chicago. also ahead, we'll get legal analysis on the challenge to mifepristone that went before

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it's my favorite book. >> many? many? how does that thing not burst into flames immediately, huh? trump is mashing together the bible and constitution like it's a pizza hut taco well, and people say you are not supposed to mix the bible and constitution, and you have to understand that trump has never read either of them. >> i love the way the audience is laughing at trump's laugh lines, and i don't think they were laugh lines to him. any who, time to look at the morning papers. there have been 31 confirmed cases in chicago this year with the most concentrations of the

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. all americans need a bible in their home, and i have many. it's my favorite book. it's a lot of peoples' favorite book. this bible is a reminder is the thing we have to bring back to make america great again is religion, and it's missing and it's going to come back song like our country will come back. we must make america pray again. >> oh, god, but at least he's holding it right-side up, willie? >> it's a start. >> we will have more about the former president's latest effort to raise cash, and it comes as he's under a new gag order this

morning. also ahead, a case challenging a popular abortion drug went before the supreme court yesterday. we will get legal expert analysis on the arguments and how the justices responded and what it means for women's health care rights. good morning to "morning joe." it's march 27th, 2024. >> u.s. coast guard called off the search for those missing after the bridge was struck by a container ship. those missing are presumed death, and they were all believe to be immigrants from el salvador, honduras and mexico. moments before the collision,

the ship's crew issued a may-day call, likely saving many lives with seconds to spare. >> hold all traffic on the key bridge. there's a ship approaching that just lost their steering, so until they get that under control we have to stop traffic. >> c-13, dispatch the whole bridge just fell down. stars -- star -- everybody, the whole bridge just collapsed. >> joining us, alice barr. what can you tell us? >> reporter: we are just down the road from where you should be able to see the key bridge. it's now in the water. as you pointed out the focus remains the human costs, those six construction workers who were just out doing routine road repairs, potholes, when the bridge collapsed from under

them, and their families want their loved ones want them to be remembered as the loved ones that they were. we are expecting the recovery mission could resume anytime now. last night we were told it could start around 6:00 a.m., and the update is that it's no longer search and rescue but recovery. governor moore did say the state would bring every resource into recovering the bodies and bringing closure to the families. the national transportation safety board has a number of crew members on scene, and they are speaking to witnesses and looking through the debris, and on the cargo ship, they are looking for recorded data and past safety records trying to piece it altogether. we know the massive cargo ship,

the length of the empire state building, lost its power as it approached the bridge and crew members did everything they could to miss the bridge, and we have seen the video of the bridge crashing down, and fortunately there was the effort to close the bridge and make sure there were no other cars on there. thank you. >> alice, thank you so much. with us this morning, jonathan lemire, sam stein, and former supreme allied commander of nato, the chief correspondent for nbc news. good to have you all. you have guided ships under that bridge and sailed up that river. when you hear the lost of

steering and propulsion, and we saw the video where the lights blink and they go off for a while before coming back on, and what do you see as such an experienced man in the video? >> well, you know, because of their size and scale, once you lose control of -- in this case it appears both, the propulsion and the control of the steering, it's very difficult to stop the ship. frankly the only way you can stop it in that circumstance is you can drop the anchors of the ship and it would drag itself to a halt. unfortunately, where the casualty occurred was exactly the wrong place.

there was not enough time to drop the anchors. you could also have tugs come out, the small boats that push these monsters around the harbor, and you could have used the tug to nudge it in a different direction, and they didn't have time to do any of those things. the way the navy thinks about it, every time a navy warship gets under way, it practices and drills for this kind of circumstance. there are means onboard the ship to maneuver it by hand, if you will, but it takes time. unfortunately where this failure occurred, just literally yards ahead of the bridge itself, the ship just kind of drifted over to the right. as we saw, it hit the pier, if you will, the support system on the ship and collapsed it, so

obviously this will be drilled into excruciating detail, and the experts will be looking at this. >> yeah, a fully loaded ship can't stop on a dime. we did get the traffic call, and it took only 22 seconds to stop traffic on the bridge. given the circumstances, the may-day call goes out and the police does their job, and one says i am going to get the

workers off the bridge but it was too late. what strikes you about how this was handled? >> the extreme professionalism here. what struck me, having been in a lot of fairly tense situations over the years was the calmness of the voices. hey, we have a ship that has lost propulsion and is headed towards the bridge, he could be ordering a cheese burger from mcdonald's, he's so calm. when you start screaming and ranting like the normal human would in that situation, it's not very productive. in terms of the police response, to me this feels like a really suburb active shooter kind of response. they are there and immediately take exactly the right action and save hundreds of lives.

certainly, if cars would have kept serving across the bridge not knowing it collapsed, and so kudos to the response teams and dispatchers, and we will have to pull hard at the human factor and the maintenance factor in the ship, but the first responders this morning there could wake up proud. >> they said the federal government will give whatever help and bear the entire cost of rebuilding, and obviously a priority yesterday for a white house. >> we heard from the president and aides suggest that when the time is right he may pay a visit to baltimore, and he wouldn't want to go there now, because it takes too many resources for a presidential visit. congress moved quickly in a bipartisan fashion to pass federal funding and that moved

within a few weeks, and we hope that can happen here again, but politics now even more polarized than before. admiral, this is sort of outside your area of expertise, but you are familiar with all things nautical. how long would it take to clear the wreckage and debris from the bridge after the recovery efforts are completed. >> well, i think it will take a couple months for sure to float the sections of the bridge and then it can be towed out of the way, and it will be towed out very quickly. the problem will be what's under the water. it will have to be floated, towed away and then significant dredging through all of that. we had a somewhat similar

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so the judge overseeing donald trump's hush-money trial issued a new limited gag order on the former president because he was spouting off again, disrespect flee. under the new ruling trump is barred from making statements about likely witnesses and jurors, and must refrain from discussing lawyers, court staff, employees and the manhattan district attorney's office and their family members. in his order the judge said the move was necessary because trump's prior statements establish a quote, sufficient risk to the administration of justice.

with his legal bills piling up, donald trump is turning to religion of sorts for some help, though not in the traditional way, more culty, actually. the 2024 republican nominee is hawking about his own version of the bible. take a look. >> i am partnering with my good friend, lee greenwood, and who doesn't love his song "god bless the usa," and i am fighting for the constitution every single day. christians are under siege. we must protect content that is pro god. i love god. we must make america pray again.

i think you should all get a copy of "god bless the usa bible" now and help spread the good news for others. >> the bible there is costing $60 before shipping. last month he also unveiled trump-branded sneakers going for $400 a pair. in december, he even started selling pieces of the suit he was wearing when he got indicted last murmur. the trump bible website states none of the profits will go towards his 2024 campaign, but there's no mention if the money will go towards his legal fees. joining us, author, charlie

sykes. i want to get you and sam in on this. this bible seems to me to be a new level of culty, and also, if you listen to his comments, it's painful, as i did, and he blames america for everything, and what do you say to a person that hears that and gets out their credit card and purchases a "god bless the usa bible." >> the first thing you say is, oh, my god. it's not only culty but it's on brand for donald trump. he's playing on the themes i am the defender of christians, and

he's selling the bible during holy week, and this money might go to pay for some of the legal fees for his relationship for a porn star that he paid off. let us pray here. could i remind people, donald trump has been asked in the past, what is your favorite verse in the bible, and he talks about no idea. he talks about 2 corinthians, and he has been asked by faith leaders, do you ever pray? not really. and conservative christians swallow this, and i don't suspect they will draw the line when it comes to this. this is so much donald trump? it's much an artifact of this political moment, where this

grifter that sells the golden shoes is now selling the bible to christians at this particular moment. you cannot make this up. this is earth 2.0. >> sam makes the important point here, while he's on trial for paying off a porn star for having an affair while his wife was home with a newborn, and now the idea that donald trump espouses, quote, christian values, and that's ludicrous on its face, but people will buy it. >> this has been something that has been evident with trump for

a while now. there's an infamous poll in the 2016 race where white evangelical voters were asked about trump before and then after the stormy daniels situation, and their support went up. trump sold everything from steak to bibles to water to shoes, and this is just his brand and people buy into it, literally. i think the other element of the story that should be noted is that it does raise important questions about our campaign finance system. not the steaks and the bible so much as he's going public, his company, truth social, is going public on the stock exchange and it has raised a huge amount of money and that money will be used by trump to not just pay

off his legal bills, but he could use that money to help his own campaign, and it's not about the people that buy bibles but want to help trump with big checks. >> trump is showing anxiety about the state of the campaign. he was on truth social early this morning, i note, 1:52 a.m., a post from donald trump attacking robert f. kennedy, jr., and as you write in your new piece for msnbc, he's made little to no effort to unify the republican party, and he was rebuked by his former vice president, mike pence, and when

nikki haley dropped out of the story, she implored him about her supporters. >> i think it's notable when you look at the number of the united states senators now who are saying they are not going to vote for donald trump, todd young, and bill cassidy, and lisa murkowski, and you add in mitt romney. one of the questions people should ponder for a moment, imagine if this was the democratic party, if this was the u.s. senate saying we are not going to support biden for

president. i don't know when in america history when this many leaders of the republican party, including his former vice president and former chief of staff came out and said we worked for him and we are not voting for him again, and the only one supporting trump is sarah palin, and everybody else is out whether you are talking about dick cheney, mitt romney, paul ryan. i don't think there's any parallel in american history. while on one level, donald trump has complete control of the republican party, there are the cracks and the biden campaign is beginning to exploit this. coming up, we will get to the supreme court case that could restrict access to the

abortion pill nationwide. we will have legal analysis on yesterday's hearing and discuss the larger impact in the fight over abortion rights. "morning joe" will be right back. e right back

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fda's approval and expansion of the drug by mail. they said rules around the use could be relaxed, and a lower court disagreed and reimposed restrictions on the pill including requiring women to make three in-person visits to a doctor to receive a medication abortion. a group of seven doctors and

anti-abortion groups challenged the efforts to lift restrictions and said the agency did not adequately look at the risks. the group does not perform abortions or prescribe mifepristone, and they are not legally required to do so. under well-established precedent, when people file a lawsuit they have to show that they have been injured and that their injury could be redressed by the entity they are suing. the court questioned why existing laws for doctors -- >> yes, we think that federal conscious protections provide

broad protection. >> they don't have to participate in this procedure, and you said and said several times that federal law already gives them that. i guess what they are asking for in this lawsuit is more than that. they are saying because we object to having -- to be forced to participate in this procedure, we are seeking an order preventing everybody from having access to the drugs at all, and i guess i am just trying to understand how we could possibly be entitled to that given the injury they have alleged. >> all i can think about is woman who are waiting for the health care they need while all of this is being discussed because of dobbs, because of the overturning of roe, and the case with the first major abortion, and the court is considering since it overturned roe v. wade two years ago. joining us, legal analyst, danny

cevallos. explain where it goes from here? >> this is likely an issue of standing. in other words, the court may not even reach the merits of the case, and it can't be speculative. that's one of the main issues here. the idea that these doctors are talking about a possible injury that might happen if, for example, another doctor prescribes the abortion pill, there are complications and they are called into the er to provide treatment in a way that is against their conscience and against their religious beliefs, or anything, and there are already federal protections for exactly that. standing is designed to protect a tyranny, a tyranny where if a supreme court justice was

watching this show, and they could say, i have an opinion and i can just issue an opinion and change the law, and it prevents a citizen from saying i don't appreciate or agree the war in the middle east, so i am going to sue to change the law. >> that's the standing question, and let's talk about the actual argument. i didn't need to have the brilliant legal mind like you to listen to that and see -- the justices seemed very skeptical of the plaintiff argument? >> a couple things, if they reach the argument, number one, who should be making the decisions? should the court, composed of lawyers like me, should they be second-guessing the fda process. another good point that somebody

made, there's other mechanisms and tort law, there are lawsuits seeing if drugs are safe, and they seemed to question the idea of should they grant the broad relief of denning everybody the pill when there's just a small sliver here that may not be even to show a injury, and i think the court bounces it on standing, which means they don't even have to reach the issues. the court loves doing that, because then they don't have to reach the sticky merits of the issue and write a shorter opinion. >> we appreciate that. stay with us.

joining us, senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. good to have you on the show. >> thanks, mika. >> due to the overturning of roe is why we are here today, and we know abortion health care, as i call it, is not based on religion or the history of kris -- christianity, and people see women bleeding out and being sterilized because they can't get the abortion care they need, and that brings me back to the cult leader, the one with his bible, and he created a supreme court that was able to do that. it's easy to call the bible

grifty that he is selling online, because he usually holds bibles upsidedown and things like that, but senator, what can be said to the person who is all in on this and who will pick up a credit card and buy this bible, because i think the abortion argument and everything happening to this country, it is summed up in his presentation and his selling of the bible, but i think it's lost on the folks that want to buy it. are they lost? unreachable? >> i will separate the issue where people are on abortion, their own views from him hawking bibles. i go back to the ten commandments and those commandments of keeping the sabbath holy as we reach easter weekend,ing and the commandment

of not using the lord's name in vain, and here you are, he's putting a bible out there and selling it and use that for his campaign, and can he do that? i suppose he can legally. usually people are selling t-shirts, and i sold amy earrings, and people have fun to support the candidate. i think the way he degregated people like when he went after john mccain, and these things are not consistent with the bible. it's one more moment of hypocrisy. i hope people step back and look at what he has said and done in

his life, many of which are wielding through the legal proceedings, all over the country, including asking a republican sector in one state to find more votes, and then people need to look at that and decide who they will support, and like lisa murkowski, and people like mitt romney are coming to a different conclusion about who they are going to go support for president. coming up, "vanity fair"'s molly joins us on a piece about the house republicans. "morning joe" is coming right back. back work with principal so we can help you with a plan that's right for him. let our expertise round out yours.

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hamas are no closer to securing a cease-fire and hostage release

deal. yesterday israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu announced hamas rejected the latest proposal calling the demands extreme, and over the weekend israel agreed to free about 800 palestinian prisoners, some who are serving life, and the prime minister blamed the deadlock talks on america's decision to allow the united nations to pass a cease-fire resolution. in a statement netanyahu wrote, hamas's stance clearly demonstrates its utter disinterest in a negotiated deal. joining us, richard haus. prime minister netanyahu is right, he doesn't have a good faith negotiating partner in

hamas, but the u.n. resolution, the abstention of the united states from that to allow it to pass, and netanyahu said that's why the cease-fire talks are being scald. what is your take? >> that's not even close. the united states announced it heard from hamas that it was not going to go ahead with the cease-fire before the u.n. security council vote, and the fact the prime minister blamed it on the united states, and again, he's doubling down on criticizing joe biden. i am old enough to remember that one of the ways you would measure the prime minister at home and abroad is how he managed the relationship with the united states, and now you have a prime minister who is hinging his political future not on managing the relationship with the united states but on damaging it. it's interesting.

this is beginning to get traction in israel. you read the israeli newspapers yesterday and today, more and more commentators coming out and questioning why he's running against joe biden and the united states. >> is it politics, richard, at home? why is he so aggressive with the united states right now? >> i think it's politics and he has hinged his way into a strategy that cannot succeed. if you are going to go after hamas to destroy it, and there has to be two dimensions, and one is a israeli dimension, and they have been heavy handed, and you can't sideline or marginalize a group without offering a alternative, and his strategy literally cannot succeed. we are seeing signs in gaza where hamas has suffered but are beginning to come back.

i believe the prime minister cannot succeed on his strategy or policies. >> and they had to clear the hospital because hamas moved back into that area. we read the statement there, the white house is deeply frustrated with prime minister netanyahu. but what other cars does the biden administration have to play to nudge netanyahu to where they want to go, which is eventually a real cease-fire and then a two-state solution. >> we have seen aid drops and the u.n. vote, and i think last friday the israelis announced 2,000 acres had been taken by the state for new settlements and that could be something. we are getting close to the conditioning of military aid, where we are going to say you

have this weapon system, but you cannot use it in a certain way. we are going down the road where israel is defining american policy. >> let's go to those that want the hostages back, and they suffered a horrific attack last october, and what is the prime minister supposed to do with the terrorists death cult wanting 800 prisoners in exchange for 40 hostages. how do you negotiate reasonably from that group? >> i don't think you will be able to, and they want to keep the hostages because without them they fear israel will act in an unconstrained way. i can't give you a satisfying

answer to that. i understand the israeli frustration. just yesterday you had these terrible stories, the sexual depravity about the violation of an israeli woman and so forth, so i understand the frustration. all you can do is hope the negotiation works, the freeing prisoners and so forth, but the israelis are not going to move out of gaza and are not going to agree to a total cease-fire and shouldn't, and they have intelligence where they can get this or that hamas leader, they should be prepared to do that. coming diversity and inclun programs. we'll take a look at the impact of that next on "morning joe." m of that next on "morning joe."

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restrict diversity, equity, an inclusion programs. the bill signed into law by governor kay ivey last week joins a growing number of states. for your more on this and the impact, let's bring in "morning joe" reporter daniella. tell us what you found and what this will mean for college campuses and alabama. >> good morning, mika. for some colleges, d.i.programs have made all the difference in their ability to thrive from job access and communities and providing a feeling of safety and belonging. but now without funding, that may all disappear. i spoke with student around the state on what's at stake. take a look. >> it's our lgbtq health resource here at the university, and freshman year, i was -- i had a really traumatic experience with just like slurs

being thrown at me, and i never felt fearful for my safety, my physical safety in this way. and the resource center, when i went to their rain dough connection program that would be banned under this bill, their staff helped me find work again, and i can -- i can say confidently i would not be on this call without their resources, without their support. >> our office of diversity, eck questionty, and inclusion, our adviser works in that office, our adviser for the organization, and that's really what a lot of the programs are about, helping students network and connect with the professional world, especially students who are part of communities that aren't really represented. >> i'm the secretary of the hispanic latino association at the university of alabama, and we'll be directly impacted, and it's sad because i know students have chosen the university of

alabama because we were here. >> these students were among the hundreds who showed up at the montgomery statehouse to protect the bill and share their experiences with legislators legislators. even though e the act passed, they say they're not giving up on this issue. >> we're going to keep fighting. this is the most engagement i've seen in a while. we've had students from the university of south alabama and west alabama, and for legislators to run out the back door when students drove three hours to come at this face-to-face contact is disgusting. >> we managed to get one of those legislators who were trying to run out the back door. >> well, that was the chairman for the republican party who was in the hallway, and i asked -- i asked him, you know, why is this a priority for the party? why is this a priority for his representatives, and they are so based in conspiracy theories and

the reality of what is happening on our campuses isn't like in their brains. they have no grounding in truth. >> doing away with d.i. has been a top curb for republicans since the supreme court ended affirmative ax. it's been in about trow deuced in at least 30 states since then. the alabama republican party chairman is voicing support for the new law saying it ensures responsible use of tax dollars while pushing back on what he calls the woke agenda. it will now be up to schools, mika, and the state on how to interpret the law and decide if they want to keep some of these organizations and fund them without state dollars. that legislation goes into effect october 1st. >> wow, great insights from those students. thank you very much for bringing that to us. we are two minutes before the top of the hour as we

descend upon the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's just before 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. before the east. jon lemire and katty kay joins the conversation. we begin with the search and recovery efforts on the key bridge. meanwhile investigators are trying to learn what caused the ship to lose power before it crashed into one of the bridge's pillars. nbc national correspondent tom llamas has the latest. >> reporter: this morning tievers back in the water searching after the cargo ship crashed into the francis scott key bridge, causing its shocking collapse. this morning nbc news has learned ntsb has located the data recorder. similar to a black box, it should help investigators find out what went wrong on the dali,

causing the deadly crash. overnight, the search and rescue operation for the six missing workers is now a recovery mission. >> they had no idea them going to work was going to turn into a deadly occurrence. they were fathers, they were sons, they were husbands. they were people who their families relied on. >> reporter: the wife of construction worker miguel luna telling our sister station telemundo he was working on the bridge at the time and she's not heard anything about his whereabouts. the vessel identified as the single core flag dal was headed by the operators. all crew members have been accounted for and it's cooperating with the investigation. the crew aboard the ship sending a mayday call just before striking the bridge. that signal giving authorities just enough time close the bridge to traffic by saving lives. >> let's go live to the scene in

baltimore and bring in nbc news correspondent ryan nobles. good morning. you've been there since a couple of hours after the ship struck the bridge and it collapsed, covering the story for us. what more do we know today, not just about what happened, but also the response time? kind of ayn incredible response time. it was a matter of seconds from the mayday call to law enforcement stopping traffic on the bridge, likely saving many lives? >> reporter: yeah, willie, having been here now for more than 24 hours, that continues to resonate with me just how quickly they were able to respond and how the scale of this tragedy, which is immense, especially standing here with the bridge behind me and seeing the size of the ship and the catastrophe, that it wasn't worse. you can just imagine how terrible it would have been if it had happened in the middle of

the day with 35,000 cars that go over the bridge on a daily basis, some of them being impacted. even at 1:30 in the morning there's a regular amount of traffic going over that bridge especially because it's a major thoroughfare and shipping for large big rigs who are still very busy at that time of day. so the fact that these crews were able and law enforcement was able to shut the bridge off in just a matter of minutes remains remarkable. that, of course, doesn't in any way take away the tragedy for these construction workers who were working in the middle of the night. working in the middle of the night to help ease the type of congestion that would create if they were working during the middle of the day, so they were really vulnerable in that respect, and just kind of the monumental task that it's going to take to finding their remains. this is a river with very little visibility at this tomb of year. the water is freezing. and when you stand here and look at the river from this vantage

point, you realize just the scope of the search area that's going to be required to search for these individuals and their remains. it is just going to be a mass everybody, massive undertaking, and it's got to be one that's just so heartbreaking for your the families, willie. >> i hope they're found for the sake of their families. ryan nobles live in baltimor ank you. joining us now is the mayor of baltimore, brandon scott. mayor scott, please accept our sympathies over what's happened over the last 24, 36 hours in your city. can you take us through a little bit of your day yesterday? we talked with governor moore getting phone call that no mayor, no governor wants to get. what has been the impact on your city? >> well, listen. we know this is a devastating tragedy. and yesterday -- i hadn't been to sleep yet. i have a 3-month-old baby boy and i got a phone call from my fire chief who told me the key

bridge had collapsed. i said, repeat that? he said, sir, the key bridge collapsed. a ship ran into it. i talked to him, immediately got off the phone with him, called governor moore and his team, and then went straight to the team. we know going from there throughout the rest of the day, this is an unthinkbling tragedy. and when you think about those families, when you think about those workers who were simply trying to improve transit for the rest of us, losing your life in this way is nothing, nothing short of a tragedy, and we have to continue to uplift their families and pray for them and let them know that we'll be here for them long after everyone else is gone as we help them heal throughout this process for the rest of their lives. >> filling potholes in the middle of the night to improve that bridge. mr. maier, can you speak for those people watching who don't live around baltimore, don't know the northeast corridor of the mid-atlantic as well, how critical that key bridge is to your city, your state, and

really to the country? yeah, listen. the key bridge is a critical thing. it allows the ships to go into our port, which is the largest in the country, number one, for auto exports and imports and has the domino sugar refinery, the largest in this field. all of those things are going to tremendously impact not just baltimore, maryland, but the entire supply chain. we have to work with our partners. everyone is locked in together how we're going to wok through every process. right nowing of course, it ifo focused on recovery. we have to have some sense of closure for the families, and then we'll talk about rebuilding, how to rebuild the bridge. we will do that because baltimore is always going to come back stronger. we heard it from president biden himself. we will all see this through,

but this is going to be a long-term issue, and we will never forget what happened. mr. mayor, i'm sure it's comforting to hear especially from you, from leaders like you, that there will be support to help these families who lost someone in this bridge collapse heal long after this moment. i'm curious what is being done to support them financially or in a community way. >> well, everything is on the table. at this moment it's about getting trauma and grief services they need as we work through what happens with recoveries. it's about funerals and other financial things we often do in situations like this, and we're going to continue to do whatever we need to do. but it's also going to be about what happens long after all of that, when folks are going to still need that trauma and mental health services. they may just need someone to

call. unfortunately as mayor, i've been through tragedies. none like this. those folks often have to come back to you long after the incident itself is over because this is something they're going to be trying to heal from and come back from for the rest of their lives. this is not something that's ever going to go away. it's never going to go away from them as long as there's breath in my body. and i'm in city government, it's never going to go away. >> the most important story right now. there are ramifications for your city in terms of traffic, community, people getting to their jobs, their doctor appointments, whatever it might be. is there any advise as to how you're going to be able to navigate that and any initial estimate for how long it will take for your the replacement bridge to be built? >> no. we'll be working with federal transportation, maryland transportation on that obviously, and we'll get to that. as far as the traffic goes, we've already worked with mdot

because this is a maryland road, and they'll be directing folks around. the key bridge was built to alleviate traffic from the tunnel. so we're going to to have folks -- there's going to be traffic. we're going to have to allow ourselves more time and more patience with everyone. because when we just went through something like this, we all know it's going to have a big traffic imparkts but we've got to have that patience because nothing is going to change that right now. we have to continue to come together as a city in every way, including being mindful of how we're traveling and when we're traveling so we can alleviate everything we possibly can. >> mr. mayor, you look at these people who came to the united states not expecting anything like this to happen, and we really do rely on their efforts to keep the economy going. remind our viewers how central

this bridge and your port is to the economy of the eastern seaboard of the united states. >> well, listen, i just said it very clearly. we're the number one for cars, and we know how important cars and car imports and exports are to this country, right? and when you think about that, when you think about the other companies that will be impacted from amazon, under armor, domino sugar, carnival cruise ships that come out of the harbor port, this is going to be a big impact. we're going to have to work through with our partners to make sure we get this open as quickly and as safely as possible, acds we know we have the full weight of federal government that's going to be here with us, the full weight of the government, under my leadership and kevin olszewski and his government. we'll all do this the right way, the responsible way, and the

quickest way possible. >> finally -- i know we have to go, and i appreciate the support, but for those who lost their lives, especially these immigrants working on the bridge, will there be a fund set up because these are the people who were bringing home the salary that was helping them live here. >> listen, we will support the families of our residents every way that we can. that includes financially. we'll be talking and discussing with those folks and the folks they work for how to do all that. we have to do that in decency and in order, but we'll be supporting those families in every single way, and that includes financially. >> baltimore mayor brandon scott. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up on "morning joe," donald trump appears to be banking on his christian supporters to answer his prayers for cash. we'll share the latest product

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jesus christ inspires us to love one another. with hearts full of generosity and grace. >> why do i have to ask for forgiveness if you're not making mistakes? >> scripture teaches us the lord is close to the broken hearted. >> the you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. >> i cherish women and i will be great on women's health issues. >> when you start, you can do anything. grab them by the --

>> my favorite book is the bible and the second book is art of the deal. >> actually i was only kidding. you can get the baby out of here. 2 corinthians, that's the whole ball game. >> you can do anything. >> that's not true with stars b it's partially true, forty natalie or unfortunately. >> donald trump reading scripture from the teleprompter but going far off the script. as his legal bills pile up, the presumptive 2024 nominee is returning to religion one again but definitely not in a traditional way. in social media he announced he's hawking his own version of the bible combined with other papers he claims to have read. take a look. >> i'm proud to be partnering

with my very good friend lee greenwood. who doesn't love his song "god bless the usa" in connection with the "god bless the usa" bible. it includes the king james version and the constitution which i'm fighting for every single day. christians are undersiege but must protect content that's pro-god. i love god. i am proud to endorse and encourage you to get the bible. we must make america pray again. i think you all should get a copy of got bless the usa bienl now and help spread our christian values with others. >> so if you didn't think he was culty or cult-like or a cult, then what about bibles? he's selling bibles. trump's version of the good book

is selling for $60 before shipping. this follows his other business ventures such as trump stakes, trump water, trump university now defunct. last month he unveiled trump branded sneakers going for $40 a pair and started selling pieces of the suit he was wearing when he got indicted last summer. not culty at all. the trump bible website states that none of the profits will go toward his 2024 campaign. there is no mention, however, about whether the money will go toward his mounting legal fees. joining us now, we have nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann, "new york times" opinion columnist david french. good to have you both. heilemann, take it away. he's really digging into his

christian connections there, and i wonder what far right christians think about this. will they buy the bible? >> well, i'll let david french, who probably has greater insight into the e-commerce habits of conservative christians that i do, and i say that with respect whether people will buy this or not. i do think, mika, to your point, about cultiness, i know the word's been used on the show already this morning, but to me it's a little more griftiness than cultiness. he's got that true commerce ipo and a section that's going to be devoted to duch's favorite literature. wait for it. i'm sure if joe was out here, he would mention mine.

we asked him at one point to name a bible verse and he could. come up with one. i tried to make it easy for him. i said are you around old testament guy or a new test meant guy and he answered probably equal. to me he said, i have no idea the difference between the old testament and the new testament because i never cracked a bible in my life. will people buy it? it didn't seem like there was much interest in the trump sneakers when he tried to go down the path of the stock x g.o.a.t. community there. like i said, i enjoy the bible, it's a great book, but i haven't bought one in a while. they're pretty widely available in a lot of other forums. the infringe management may have a better sense of if there's a

market or it or not >> i want to address the grift. it is definitely grifty. if you listen to the three-minute sales pitch, i do wonder how centrifugal christians can look in the mirror and support this man no less by this bible and he takesering that he did wrong to america and holds it against america to sell the bible. and to me, you know, i have a lot of other things i can sell you if you're going to fall for that, and yet i think a lot of conservative christians are still falling for trump's grift, and that feels like a cult. >> yeah. i mean they're absolutely falling for the grift. there will be -- we don't know how many christians will fall for this, but it tells you what trump thinks about his christian

audience that they would look at this and think, oh, yeah, that's exactly what i want out of christianity is a country music branded bible with the america's founding documents in it and we're in the middle of this debate over christian national 4ri78 and what is christian nationalism. a pretty good start is when you put america's documents in the bible. that's a good starter on beginning to understand what it is. so the real concern i have, mika, is exactly yours. it isn't so much trump's behavior. we know he has no bottom. he'll do anything for a buck. my real concern is have we become -- has a significant part of the christian community become this gullibility, i hope the sales pitch flops. i'm afraid that enough people are going to believe that this is the kind of thing people want in their home, that they're going to go buy it. >> yeah, david. $0. you can get a bible anywhere you like for a lot less than that,

we know that. david, it has to be said again what he's doing right here, we know this is going to pay his legal fees. he's not doing this out of the generosity of his heart. legal fees in a case where he's alleged to have paid off a porn star in the days and weeks before the 2016 election after he allegedly had an i a fair with her while his wife was home with their newborn baby. so let's just put that in the hopper for a minute and think about what that all means. but you've been writing and thinking about this question for almost a decade now since donald trump came on the scene why it is evangelicals have rallied around him despite all the deficiencies in his character, despite all the things they would never let their children do or let their children behave. but it looks like they will rally behind him, does it not? >> oh, absolutely it does. if you look at the primary, he did better with evangelicals

than nikki haley did. what a product like this tells us and what pitching a product like this tells us, it just gives the lie to this notion that lots of evangelicals are choosing the lesser of two evils. you don't buy $60 bibles from the lesser of two evils. you buy the $60 bibles from someone you abide with, agree with. it's become -- he's become a model. in fact, you see it down the line in republican politics. christian politicians are imitating donald trump. trump -- they're not changing trump. trump is changing them, and this is just the latest example of how he is warping and twisting american christianity. and i'm half surprised he didn't blame the $60 price on joe biden's inflation. speaking of the biden p and

trump's campaigns, they went after one another whether or not trump would repeal obamacare should he be reelected. in a post on truth social, if you can call it that, trump wrote, i'm not running to terminate the aca as crooked joe buden disinformates and missinformates all the time -- i'm just saying, if joe biden put this out, everyone would go crazy and call him senile. maga 2024. in response the biden campaign responded, a feeble and confused trump posts a typo-riddled all-caps rant, miss spelling

"biden," disinforms," "misinforms," and o'basic words. in addition the campaign posted a montage of threats to repeal obamacare. >> i told republicans, look, if you really want to do something, let it explode, and then they'll come begging us to fix it, okay? begging us. this is a newer subject, but obamacare is a disaster. i said, we're going to do something about it. >> we're going to win by knocking the hell out of obamacare, terminating it, coming up with something much less excessive, much better. >> katty kay, does anyone believe what donald trump has to say? >> here we are on the 14th anniversary of obamacare and it's more popular than ever, and, no, republicans never came up with a replacement for it. it seems unlikely anything is

going to happen. joe heilemann, when it gets to something -- the tone of the way the biden campaign is hitting back hard, truth social and all of these misspellings, you know, how do they handle trump online and do they take on trump in his own game the same way marco rubio tried and failed do, they keep taking the high ground and pointing out the issues saying he's never going to destroy obamacare? what's the tone they have to strike because trump is such a tricky fish to deal with. >> allow me, katty, to informate you. i'm still stuck on the bible.

in terms of the bible response, they're trying to run straight at trump with the kinds of insults that trump throws at biden, and i think that's the right sort of spiritude. whenever anyone talks about marco getting in a dispute with trump over the size of their genitalia, i think they can go toe to toe with that spirits of -- the gloves are off, let's put it that way. the biden campaign has been doing a good job. but they really have amped up their game since the republican primary started and in particular after the state of the union, and i don't think they're going to be relentless.

i don't think they can give any inch or any quarter to let anything go by that'sed a ridiculous as this was put up. it's not that trump says he wants to repeat obamacare. . it's the first thing he did in 2017. he walked into office. the first thing he did was try to repeal obama care. there was no replacement. that effort failed. i agree with you. i don't think obamacare is going anywhere. you'll note in trump's own words, he does not say, i'm not going to repeal obamacare. he said i'm not running to repeal obamacare. that is not a miss precision on trump's part. he's saying, look, i'm running for a lot of different reasons, but i'm not going to deny that i would repeal obamacare if i was president. he knows that they have a winning issue here, and in many other cases, that's the way they're going to go after trump,

combining the kind of spirit with a fight and policy decisions that are more popular with the american people. >> today the national poll shows that joe biden has inched ahead. battleground state polls very close pretty much across the board. that's in part because donald trump seems to be leaving some republican votes on the board. let's remember nikki haley when she bowed out of the race, implored trump, make this a bigger tent, suggesting she herself could come aboard. she didn't say that, but she said there are republicans who want to be with you. convince us. he's taken no steps to do that. do you think those republicans will come back to him anyway, or do you think they'll stay home or goo to joe biden? >> a certain percentage are going to peel off. this just keeps happening. he keeps alienating people. and there's a certain percentage of reagan people.

he'll say, we hate you, you're terrible, and, oh, by the way, vote for me. we saw that in 2020. people left the top line blank or voted for biden. those votes cost trump some states. so he's making no move, none at all as you're saying to reach out to them. he's generally, it appears, he's hoping to attract enough new people or the old patterns of bullying republicans on the line will continue to work. look, let's not be too idealistic here. the bullying will work for most people. it may work for a lot of people. but they're continuing to push away whipable voters because, frankly, they hate those voters. they really do hate those voters, and so they're pushing people away. >> "new york times" opinion

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35 past the hour. welcome back to mmg. donald trump's social media company traded on the nasdaq for the first time yesterday. the stock for the parent company of truth social rose about 16% in its first day of trade, giving the company a market value close to $8 billion. trump's 60% stake is worth about $4.6 billion on paper.

joining us now, nbc news senior business analyst and host of the 11:00 hour stephanie ruhle. steph, can he somehow dip into that to pay his legal bills or is it not that simple? >> it's not that simple, but he could make a ton of money off it, mika. he owns 60% of the company and right now it is on paper. he has the stock soaring. he can't sell for six months but he can get a waiver and sell earlier. it might not be that difficult to get because his son and a bunch of allies are on the board of the company. you could see trump mon tight this. now, where this thing is trading and the actual value of this company are a zillion miles away from one another, right? we've been saying it for days. they brought in about $3 million in ad revenue and lost tens of millions of dollars. they make less money than your

average single operating cheesecake factory, however, it's trading at a high valuation. you could see the company issue dividends, and trump could end up getting paid a whole lot of money out there. >> there are a whole lot of people out there thinking, man, donald trump keeps getting away with it. he's in refinancial straits and, voila, a lifeline is thrown to him and he keeps continuing to get away with it. this could be convenient for the next president or do it off the books. well, you can do it through this company. what do you think? >> steph knows a lot about the markets, more than i do. we talk about the stockmarket being the best reflection of the moment of, quote, wisdom of crowds. you look at this and you have to wonder if there's any truth to

that whatsoever. it does not seem to reflect any wisdom. i'm not sure it reflects much of a crowd either. steph, whatever you and lemaire were talking about off camera, it seems like the reality is this is a political hedge. if you're a trump friend, this is a way to do a kind of donation potentially with trump. the board will, i would imagine, easily allow him the waiver you were talking about given the way the board was stacked. on top of that, if you were an ordinary investor or wall street investor, are you not here putting 'wei money if donald trump is elected president in november and suddenly you have a favored company by the president who will almost certainly not divest himself of any ownership. you suddenly got state media going here. that could be a very valuable investment. however, if trump loses in november, man, i would not be

wanting to sit in the stock on truth social if biden beats him. >> it's twofold. you've got two crowds buying up the stock. you have the wall street traders that flooded the markets in 2019, all the droves on reddit who were going to take this thing to the moon. they could absolutely lose their shirts along with those who are pledges to donald trump, the same ones who are buying the sneakers and the bible and they know it's grift and they love it. then there's this group of wall street financiers. this is basically an options bet, right? if you're this guy who's been in the news for the last week, jeff yaz, a huge investor, he's with susquehanna, huge investor in bytedance, which is tiktok, yeah, it makes sense to buy this call option on the next

president. you're still hedged, and if it works, guess what? it's an unregulated donation, and you've got the potential future president under your thumb. >> wow, stephanie ruhle, thank you very much. we'll be watching "the 11th hour" right here on msnbc news. thank you. and nationnational affairs t joe heilemann. thank you as well. coming up, dr. kavita patel joins us. "morning joe" will be right back. l joins us "morning joe" will be right back ding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up.

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democrats in alabama have flipped a house seat with a candidate who campaigned on reproductive rights. she won in a landslide, 63 to 37% over her republican challenger. she is a licensed professional counselor who supports access to abortion, contraception, and ivf services. "politico" reports lands spoke openly about her nonviable pregnancy that ended in an abortion two decades ago. her victory was celebrated by national democrats who believe reproductive rights and abortion health care can be a winning issue this fall even in the deep south. reproductive rights have quickly become a major election issue across the country in the wake of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. as the justices now decide the fate of an abortion pill nationwide, msnbc contributor pa

oh low ramos got an inside look on how access to the medication has become critical for migrant women on the u.s./mexico border. >> we're about to talk to a young asylum seeker who was sexually assaulted on a border town and soon found out she was pregnant. the only reason she agreed to talk to us today is because we will not disclose her identity or where we are right now. she left el salvador for the united states. many cautioned her against it. they knew of the harrowing experiences of women heading north. >> at what point after entering texas did you find out you were pregnant?

she found herself in pregnant, alone, and planning an abortion. were you awe ware of the strict abortion laws that are enforced in texas? >> no. [ speaking in a global language ] >> what did you learn? [ speaking in a global language ] >> were you looking for clinical help? what did you find? [ speaking in a global language ] >> reporter: the pills she's referring to are a combination of misoprostol.

and mifepristone. more than 60% are done using these pills, but since the supreme court overturned row very wade in 2022, 14 states including texas have banned the medication. >> she found a group that was able to ship the pills to a friend's house. being pregnant, she found herself packing once more, this time to carry out a self-managed abortion. weeks after she returns to texas, she managed to obtain more packs of misprostol, one of the i abortion pills she used. she decided to help women break the law to help women in similar situations. >> did you realize what you were doing was illegal? [ speaking in a global language ]

>> do you have any left right now? [ speaking in a global language ] >> are you still thinking about helping other women? [ speaking in a global language ] >> valentina says she's no longer providing abortion pills, but on the other side of the border, . valentina says she's no longer providing abortion pills, but on the other side of the border, activists are working day and night to fill the void. [ speaking in a global language ] >> this is evelyn, a young

doctor from mexico city who's part of an international network helping women obtain mifepristone. since the overturn of roe v. wade in 2022, much of that help is being routed to texas. she asked for her identity to be concealed in order to protect the operation. >> approximately how big is this network? how many people are part of it? [ speaking in a global language ] >> and who are they mostly? where are they contacting you from? [ speaking in a global language ] >> how many packs of pills are you sending each week? [ speaking in a global language ] >> how do you hide these pills? how do you make sure that no one knows what you're mailing?

[ speaking in a global language ] >> i think many people would ask what's in it for you. obviously you're not doing it for economic reasons, so why do you do it? [ speaking in a global language ] >> back in texas, valentina feels the same way. you risk your life and your status? why? [ speaking in a global language ] >> that was paulo ramos reporting. great reporting. joining us now dr. kavita patel.

you have prescribed mifepristone. first of all, just overall, what do you make of the decision the supreme court is having to make and i feel like the fall of roe is having so many negative ripple effects for the health of women across the country. >> yeah, mika, you're right, and look, i listened to the 90 minutes, and i was very optimistic, but then there was a little part of me that thought how did we get here in the first place. why are we having the conversation whether the fda has the science and evidence to make the decisions they've been making for decades. in a weird way it felt like as a doctor we took one step forward but we've really taken ten steps back overall when it comes to women's health care. imagine how a woman who's trying to navigate the system just like you heard on that reporting may feel utterly helpless and ashamed, and this is exactly the

kind of feelings i didn't think we'd be talking about in 2024 with women. >> can you describe what a doctor -- what you and female patients consider before making the decision to prescribe mifepristone? >> yeah, mika, it's evolved over the decades. when this drug was first approved in 2000, it was really an awareness issue that we had to kind of talk about this. there were incredibly strict requirements. there still are reporting requirements. we couldn't give someone a prescription on paper and tell them to go to their local retail pharmacy. we had to dispense in the office. that announced decades later we still have those same conversations with women. we can do it over a video visit. i've done it in the office. one thing is universal, there is always kind of a conversation that we have about decisions and choices. it's never someone who's coming in the way that they made it sound in the supreme court hearing, like boxes of

mifepristone are showing up on their door. this is really like a very intensely personal conversation and we talk about everything including the side effects. this isn't one and done. i have yet to have a patient where i don't follow-up or i don't try to check because you have a personal relationship with this person who's going through something, and depending on where they are in life, it can be incredibly lonely. it can be isolating, and it can be incredibly emotional for them. i have yet to have somebody who just kind of walks in with a stoic face and says give me this prescription. okay, thank you very much. that never happens. >> so the science suggests that mifepristone is less harmful than tylenol, but we seem to be living in an age where medicine has got caught up in the world of misinformation and politically motivated misinformation. what's to stop a politically motivated group saying that any other medicine is unsafe, even though the science says it's not. i mean, i could come along and say, actually, as a doctor, a

lawyer, i say that, you know, viagra is unsafe and so no men should be allowed to have vie ago ra. is that the world we're in now, politically motivated can just say the science -- >> it is because once you utter the words, that does get to be deemed evidence or science. unfortunately it's an uphill battle for those of us who actually look and read science very carefully and judiciously, and it's our job to explain it and try to get people to take an interest in looking at fact versus fiction. right now we're losing that battle. we're losing the battle on misinformation on science. >> we'll be watching this, dr. kavita patel, thank you very much for your insights this morning. and that does it for us this morning. we'll see you tomorrow morning, 6:00 a.m. eastern. katy tur picks up the coverage after a quick final break. f foo? like the irresistible philly. what'd you got to say klay?

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