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donald trump's attorneys are doing everything they can to get charges against him thrown out. today in fulton county, that meant repurposing an old argument on the first amendment. they say that everything trump did or said regarding the 2020 election was covered by free speech. the prosecutor's argument, it's not protected at all, if he was using that speech to break the law. plus, take a look at this video, giving all of us flashbacks. remember when they were president and vice president. now president biden and former president obama getting off air force one heading to manhattan where they'll join former president clinton for an extremely rare and extremely lucrative fund-raising event, likely bringing in more money ton than donald trump raised all of last month. and officials trying to map out next steps following the baltimore bridge collapse from clearing that mountain of metal and debris under the water to finding the bodies of the four workers still missing. the ntsb now says it could take

two years to figure out what went wrong. a lot to get to on this thursday. but we start in georgia where donald trump hopes the first amendment will get him out of felony charges in fulton county. this is the election interference case. that's where prosecutors say that trump's claims and actions to fraudulently overturn the 2020 election results were part of a wide ranging criminal conspiracy. trump's lawyers want the case thrown out arguing that constitutionally protected free speech is at the heart of it. >> i don't think there's any question that statements, comments, speech, expressive conduct that deals with campaigning or elections has always been found to be at the zenith of protected speech. the only reason it becomes unprotected in the state's opinion is because they call it false. >> these statements made by the defendant were all employed as

part of criminal activity, various conspiracies, frauds, intentions with deceit and violations of the law. it's not just that they were false. it's not that the defendant has been hauled into a courtroom because the prosecution doesn't like what he said. these statements are part of criminal conduct that is larger than just the false statement on its own. >> now, we should say that the argument by trump's lawyers is arguably a hail mary because two of his co-defendants in this case tried it and failed. a similar argument also didn't work in the january 6th case in d.c., and it's all against the backdrop of d.a. fani willis promising the georgia case will go forward even as her role leading it remains under attack. i want to bring in nbc's blayne alexander who's following the development out of fulton county, kimberly atkins stohr is a boston global columnist and msnbc political analyst, and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin joins us here on set.

blayne, several hours in court today. get us up to speed on what happened. >> reporter: well, let's talk first about what we heard in the courtroom today, and then i'll talk about the overall significance of today's hearing. what we heard in the courtroom is exactly what you laid out, chris, a first amendment argument by the former president through his attorney steve sadow basically saying that everything that was being alleged in this indictment was free speech. at one point calling into question at least the election of 2020 for the president quote, thanks the height of political speech. what the state is arguing is, okay, but all of these amounts to underlying acts that make up the overall criminal charge, so you can't do them if their in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy, which is what the state is alleging here. now, of course we heard all of this. it took about an hour and a half or so, and this is just the latest attempt by the former president to get these charges thrown out here in fulton county. but what this represents overall is an even bigger picture. this is the very first time that

we had a hearing over the past two and a half months or so that actually had to do with these charges, that actually had to do with this indictment and didn't have to do with the allegations against fani willis and trying to get her thrown off the case. what today really represents is the fact that this case is essentially back on track, going over the motions that were filed before this kind of bombshell thing that came in and upended everything here in georgia, and it also represents the time line that fani willis is hoping for. again, she's hoping to see this thing go to trial by early august. she's still moving forward with that, even though we know that trump and his attorneys are planning to appeal his decision to keep her on this case. let me bring in kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst and dig into this legal first amendment argument, kristy. anything jump out at you that might lead you to believe that judge mcafee would be more open to this argument from trump's attorneys than say judge chutkan was when she rejected a similar

argument? >> not at all. look, this is a really fundamental principle that speech in furtherance of criminal conduct is not received first amendment protection, and judge mcafee seemed highly skeptical of donald trump's attorneys' arguments to the contrary. there are various allegations in the indictment here about soliciting state officials, to unlawfully point fake electors, to ask, you know, the secretary of state to find him 11,780 more votes, soliciting the doj officials to make false statements about election fraud, soliciting mike pence to delay the joint session of congress where they would count the votes. all of those things are speech, but they're speech in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy, and so they don't enjoy first amendment protection, and i do think that this is an easy one for judge mcafee to easily bat away. >> so there are indeed lots of laws that make it illegal to lie to the government. let me play a little more of the back and forth we heard in court

today. >> he's not being prosecuted for lying. he's being prosecuted for lying to the government, an act which is illegal because it does harm to the government. >> that's the exact reason why in several of the supreme court cases it's been found to be protected speech because it deals with the government and falsity in sense of communication with or to the government is best dealt with through true speech, not through prosecutions because prosecution chill speech. >> what do you make of that back and forth, lisa rubin. >> i think donald wakeford who's the lawyer arguing that for the district attorney's office has the better of the argument. of course there are very generous protections to core political speech offered by our first amendment case law. on the other hand, the case that steve sadow was citing most

frequently this morning to support his argument doesn't exactly say what he says it does. it's a case that has to do with the invalidation of something called the stolen valor act. it was an act congress passed to prohibit people from saying i received this medal when in fact, they did not. here and in that case, what the justices said that doesn't stop congress from passing a law that punishes speech that's sort of incidental to or integral to other criminal activities as kristy was saying. here as donald wakeford was saying, we're not punishing the guy for lying. the charges have to do with who you lied to and what harm you caused. for example, you can't lie to the government, either in a statement or in a false writing. that's as fundamental to our system of justice as just about anything else. kristy knows well that the courts of this country are littered with prosecutions for false statements or false writings to congress, to the fbi, to prosecutors themselves. if the first amendment protected against that, there's a whole

slew of code provisions in the u.s. code that would have to be exiled, chris. >> if it's been rejected so many times, a couple of times here, another, you know, case as we mentioned before, why is it even being hashed out now? why not if you're going to hash it out during the trial, and at some point does the judge say enough with these first amendment arguments, this has been decided. >> so i think that's where this will end is that, you know, donald trump wants to challenge, for example, that, you know, he had a reasonable belief that the election was stolen, and those kinds of arguments, that really doesn't implicate the first amendment. that's really about whether or not the jury believes that he made these false statements knowingly. that's what makes it a crime. just making false statements on its own is not criminal. it's when you're making the

false statements knowingly, and in furtherance of a criminal scheme, that's what's going to make it a crime. so again, those are issues that will be hashed out at trial, not at this hearing. >> so kimberly, how much of these motions do you think, particularly trump's first amendment argument, is for public or political consumption more than the thought, oh, we're going to get them to toss this case? >> yeah, so i actually think his legal team does a lot of deflection, a lot of political messaging in these cases. i think what you're seeing today is something that is very normal and run-of-the-mill. when you have a criminal trial before that trial gets started, the defendants almost always, always bring a motion to dismiss some or all of the charges and present the best arguments they have. they do it for a number of reasons. sometimes they have really good arguments. i think on this side i agree with the other panelists saying that this is a loser today. other times it's to preserve these issues on the record so

that you can appeal them later, and also, just as a good litigator, you would take as many shots before the judge as you possibly can. you try to bring it at this point, and then once you get into trial you make these arguments again that can be handled, and if you're on the losing side, you can lose them on appeal as well. what you're seeing playing out today is probably closest to the sort of normal kind of litigation as opposed to a lot of abnormal things we've seen in some of these cases. i will say one point about the merit argument that sadow was making. he was saying that it's protected by the first amendment because donald trump was, as he said, dealing with elections and campaigning. that word campaigning, he should proceed carefully, of course, right? because donald trump right now is asking the supreme court to rule that he is immune from federal prosecution in the federal cases because he was acting in his role as president, not as his role as candidate

doing campaign activities. this argument goes against another argument that he is making before the u.s. supreme court, and that's dangerous territory. >> as you were speaking, lisa was looking at me and mouthing so smart. do you want to add something to that? >> what kimberly observed, why his multiple legal troubles and teams are dangerous for him. without any nefarious they will take positions in one place that can be dangerous to positions they're taking in another. as she noted in the federal election interference case that is going up to the supreme court on the question of presidential immunity, they are trying to say he is immune for his official acts. if steve sadow is saying in a georgia court that what he is doing here is campaigning and electioneering that defeats the claim he deserves immunity for an official act. we've seen that kind of cross hairs between lawyers

representing trump in these cases before. he took a position in the new york hush money case that is going to trial next month, he originally tried to remove that to federal court saying that he was a federal officer and therefore he deserved to have his case moved to federal court. the only problem with that is calling himself a federal officer would have doomed him with respect to some of that 14th amendment litigation that ultimately absolved itself in his favor. those two positions were at cross hairs with each other then too. >> we should note that even though judge mcafee ruled that d.a. fani willis can stay on this case, is there still a chance she could be removed? >> reporter: there is because we know that it's going to be appealed. when we kind of look at just the time line of this. judge scott mcafee has already given the green light for trump and his co-defendants to appeal. steve sadow has told me in conversation he has every intention of doing just that, and he's got until monday to file that paperwork. so we know that there's going to be an appeal, but what's

interesting about this, chris, is that we now have two parallel tracks playing out, while this makes its way through the appeals court, we wait to see whether it's going to be taken up, what happens there. it's also going to be moving full steam ahead here in the fulton county court. so we know that what we had before was all of this was kind of lumped together basically, nothing was moving forward in the case until we decided, until the issue of whether fani willis would stay on the case was actually decided. now those two things are separate. the appeals process is going to be moving forward. there is a chance the judges make a different decision. at the same time the time line in fulton county is going to be moving ahead as well. >> until we get to the actual trial or any actual trial, right, assuming we know which one is coming next, do any of these wins or losses in court do you think affect the politics of this until there actually is a verdict? are we just set where we're set? >> no, i think each time that the public gets to see how these

cases are playing out it's important politically to their ability to make a decision as to how, if any, these cases impact their voting decisions, so i think that donald trump's campaign is very aware of that and so is his legal team. i think sometimes the messaging you see is an honest argument, but a lot of times you see that it is disingenuous, there is a lot of electioneering. i honestly think the entire bid to disqualify fani willis was on the more political side, especially the way it played out in contrast to what we're seeing today which is his team making a constitutional argument that they have every right to make, that i think it's a losing one, but they still have the right to make it. but all of those things, of course, are really important in how these cases play out in the public eye because that's going to factor into the decisions that they make in the election box. >> kimberly atkins stohr, blayne

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$25 million in a single night. while a new fox news poll has trump leading biden by five points, biden is ahead in a quinnipiac poll, 48 to 45%. more evidence that the two sides are clearly drawn and that the fight for that small slice of the middle is going to be brutally hard fought and phenomenally pensive. nbc's monica alba is reporting from the white house. also with us, brendan buck, former aide to house speakers paul ryan and john boehner, and an msnbc political analyst. okay, how significant does team biden see this fundraiser tonight? >> very, chris, just to put it very plainly. they really are trying to build up this fundraiser because of how historic it is and how lucrative it is, and it really in their view accomplishes a couple of things. first off, the fact that it's going to raise that much money, $25 million connected to just one evening is huge for this general election that's already in effect underway because it

directly translates to things that this campaign wants to put an exclamation point on in many march month of action. they can open more offices, hire more people, but they also with a fundraiser like this, they believe, can communicate to some in the democratic party who are anxious about the president's current polling and positioning, that the entirety of the key democratic predecessors of the president in terms of former president barack obama and former president bill clinton are fully behind this effort and that it's time in their view for everybody else to fully get on board. so trying to kind of demonstrate that party unity and all of the effort behind it is a big reason that they wanted to be sure to lean on former presidents obama and clinton for this because they've seen that when former president obama is involved in any of the fund-raising, they're able to bring in a lot more money. some of these online contests to meet with president obama or biden, have been the most

lucrative in recent weeks. they're trying to build on that and show that the democratic party and all of the affiliated committees with current biden campaign have been able to really outraise the current republican party in terms of the former president donald trump. and so when you look at those ticket prices, the cheapest ticket is $250, the highest tickets go all the way up to $500,000, but what's also notable, chris, is they're also holding a virtual conversation with the three presidents that you can access for only $25 if you're a donor, so they're really building on this evening of a couple hours to then also create content that is going to be rolled out in the coming weeks and months. so they going to take this one evening and really dine out on it for some time to come. >> dine out on it, no kidding. so brendan, when you look at, you know, donald trump and both his campaign and the rnc raising 20 million last month, 25

million, 25 million for one night. put that into context for us as obviously both men are fighting for that small piece of the middle and how important those kinds of numbers are. >> yeah, i mean, as you said, it's the biggest fundraiser potentially of all time, so you can't overlook that, and i think what it shows you is this is the ditches between somebody joe biden who is focused on running for re-election versus somebody who is on trial in four different jurisdictions across the country. we already know that donald trump is spending a lot of rnc resources on his own legal troubles, so you look at it right now and it seems like joe biden is going to have a huge money advantage, and of course money is really always important, but i would put a few caveats on that. as monica laid out, what is the most important use of money, communicating and getting people's eyeballs on your message. donald trump has never struggled to get our attention. he may be able to overcome that. he also may be able to overcome a financial deficit with his own resources. he's always been a little

reluctant to put money out there of his own. we all know he's got a bit of a cash infusion in the last few days from his social media company. they may be able to fight back. i think this really shows that the democratic party is a little more focused on the things that should matter while donald trump has his own priorities. >> biden's been out and about. he's made eight campaign stops in eight different states since his state of the union address, i think all of the key swing states included in that. trump has maybe made one, and at. some republicans are worried trump hasn't made enough investment in key swing states. obviously there are money issues there. we have seen trump use court appearances essentially as campaign appearances arguably, effectively, at least for his base, but are there cracks in that strategy, without swing state infrastructure? >> there are obvious limitations, yeah. you would want your candidate out there campaigning.

donald trump is never going to lack for the ability to get our attention. so i imagine he'll draw attention to himself in a lot of ways. he also has a much more professionalized operation around him than he has in the past. they are doing a lot of things like promoting early voting in a way that you didn't used to see them doing. so i don't think that they're hopeless by any means in their ability to campaign, but this is going to be an advantage to biden every step of the way. he is able to do the normal things you do to campaign, and donald trump is always going to have one foot stuck in a courtroom. >> let me ask you about those two new polls. obviously national polls typically don't mean much, especially this stage of the game, and in this case biden's leading in one, trump's leading in the oh. when you dig into that quinn pea yak poll, 60% of women plan to vote for biden than 35% of are

trump. that's 3% higher for biden than his 2020 numbers. considering suburban women decided the last couple of elections, how to both teams, president biden and trump read those numbers? >> i mean, if you're the biden team, you have to bank on, that that was obviously before the dobbs decision and all the enthusiasm we've seen there. this is the most consistent thing we've seen throughout polling, before dobbs, post-dobbs. female voters are going to drive the coalition for biden. our nbc poll showed biden with a decent rang but also losing really badly among men. it goes both ways. there are polls that continually show trump leading or at least tied. so it will be on the biden campaign to press their advantage on this issue in a way that didn't exist four years ago, but they also have to figure out some of these other issues. that's where you get into issues like immigration and crime and even the economy where men voters are continually choosing

trump over biden and those will probably be top tier issues for them and see how much that is outweighed by women who overwhelmingly say abortion and access is going to be what drives their vote. >> and whether women as they did in 2020 vote more than men did, more women voted in 2020 than men. fascinating conversation, brendan buck, monica alba, thank you both. new details about those lost in the baltimore bridge collapse as officials reveal it's just too dangerous to recover all of the victims right now. we'll get a live report from the scene and speak with a diving expert next. a diving expert next.

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today the attention in baltimore has shifted dramatically from the devastation we can see above the surface to what we can't see in the dark and murky waters beneath. the black and treacherous debris-filled waters of the patapsco river are not only hampering the investigation and cleanup process, but they're now also leaving four families in the dark right as the families of victims got a glimmer of hope that they might get to see their loved ones and say a final good-bye. the dive teams found the bodies of 35-year-old alejandro hernandez fuentes and 26-year-old dorliana castillo cabrera inside a red pickup truck about 25 feet below the

water's surface yesterday but the remaining victims remain lost and crews must begin the mammoth process of cleaning up the tons of mangled steel and concrete. jay gray is on the ground in baltimore with the latest. also with me is the ceo of tiburan sub sea, tim taylor. jay, what's the latest we're learning today? >> reporter: let's start with that recovery effort. what divers are saying is it's just too dangerous. there's too much debris in the water. it's too dark, and they scoured the areas that they feel comfortable in, that they feel safe in finding two of what's believed to be six people missing. using sonar, a belief that the four that may still be missing could be inside vehicles wrapped this that debris, so that salvage effort you talk about may be the time when they are recovered. we are hearing today for the first time from the families of some of those still missing.

[ speaking in a global language ] >> reporter: just unbearable pain and lack of knowing. it's such a struggle for these families, and again, the salvage effort is what they believe will help to locate the four men still missing here. of course chris, that can't start until the ntsb releases the scene, and right now their investigation here on site is expanding. >> thank you so much for that, jay gray, appreciate it. so tim, i want to ask you, first of all, about the recovery of

the victims and, i mean, you can hear the heartbreak, the families who just want to be able to bury them. day one, from day one, the divers were telling our reporters on the scene in interviews, it's so black down there, everything that they were doing was just by touch. how difficult, how dangerous is that for divers? >> at this particular stage, it's very dangerous for the divers. it is a debris field that can be shifting. you've got hydraulic pressure from the tides coming in, coming out. it's a very strong force that can move this wreckage at any time. it can fall in. it can collapse, it can shift, so really, the sonar robotics will be the next thing, start sending robotics in, robots can see with sonar, they don't necessarily need the visibility, but identifying whether they are will help them focus on whatever methods they need to go in and recover them, whether that is

robotics or whether that is divers eventually, but still, we don't want to lose the divers in an accident because a piece of equipment shifted because of the tide change or affected it. >> you are, tim, a marine robotics expert. so tell us a little more about how in this situation specifically it could be used. >> well, there are numerous types of vehicles right now. we specialize in autonomous underwater robots, so we send an autonomous vehicle down to scan with sonar. that can be done with a tethered system and shallow waters as well. mapping it out, finding out what is there and then approaching it from that angle, you need to survey the site really well, assess the risks for the divers and even then, you know, once you know what's down there, you can send tethered robots down there and control them from

above and search and not risk human lives at that particular point. if it comes to a recovery, that's the different story, divers are usually the best shallower depth tool for recovery, but again, that has to be weighed upon discovering the safety, discovering what's down there, what kind of shape it's in, and as they said earlier, this may be a part of clearing some debris to get to where they need to recover the bodies and unfortunately that's the state of this, and i think they want to get at that as soon as possible, so let's hope it's easier than that. >> tim taylor, in situations like this, your expertise is so appreciated. >> today convicted crypto king sam bankman-fried learning his

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we have breaking news from capitol hill, learning more about the impeachment trial for department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. nbc nbc's sahil kapur. >> reporter: we finally have more details, more of a time

line on what comes next with this mayorkas impeachment. speaker mike johnson has notified the senate that the house will transmit those articles of impeachment on april 10th, that is the week that congress returns from a two-week recess. these were passed earlier these articles, the house has hit pause so they can work on the appropriations process, funding the government, which done. senator chuck schumer's office issued a statement moments ago, let's show that on the screen. quote, as we have previously said after the house impeachment managers present the articles of impeachment, senators will be sworn in as jurors in the trial the next day. senate president pro tem patty murray will preside. now, it is unclear which way this is going to go, chris, because democrats have made abundantly clear that the votes aren't there to provide the two-thirds majority necessary to convict alejandro mayorkas. senator joe manchin, the most

centrist, the most conservative democrat told me that this whole trial was ridiculous and he would vote to dismiss, if there is a motion to dismiss, senate democrats can dispense with this quickly. they control 51 votes in the chamber, and they need a simple majority to prevent the trial from going any further. whether that happens is still unclear. senators have to decide to sit down whether there will be a full blown trial. this does not have a bright future in the senate in terms of convicting alejandro mayorkas, and then the impeachment managers, let's show some of the recognizable names we will see as impeachment managers. they include homeland security chair mark green, foreign affairs chair, michael mccaul, andy biggs, and marjorie taylor greene. >> thank you. from a multimillion dollar penthouse in the bahamas to a prison cell, ftx founder sam bankman-fried was just sentenced to 25 years for committing one of the biggest financial frauds

in u.s. history. four months ago he was found guilty of orchestrating a multibillion dollar fraud that led to the complete collapse of the ftx cryptocurrency exchange. before that he was on the cover of fortune magazine, that's tantamount to a musician on the cover of rolling stone. touting his wealth and clout, with the title meet the world's richest 29-year-old. now, with the one-time king of crypto dethroned his fate was sealed by a judge who you might recognize, louis kaplan also oversaw the e. jean carroll defamation trial against former president donald trump. let me bring in bloomberg news reporter zeke fox who covered bankman-fried. also the author of "number go up" and also with us, nbc's christine romans. you know him, you've covered him for many years. we heard directly from sam

bankman-fried in court today. what were your impressions both about him, his misdemeanor, and what he had to say. >> so since the moment that ftx failed, i've been sort of waiting to see if sam would say that he's sorry and take responsibility for what he's done, and in court for a minute there, it seemed like maybe he might. he started talking about his colleagues. he addressed them by name, his friends, the ones who were with him on his rise to power, and he talked about how he had undone the good work they'd done. but then pretty quickly he pivoted to the same story that he's been trying, the same excuses he's been trying since ftx went bankrupt. he said it was a liquidity crisis, kind of a bank run i.e., i didn't steal the money. it was just kind of temporarily misplaced. the jury didn't buy that story. i didn't buy it when i heard it in the bahamas back in november 2022, and the judge didn't buy

it either. he said that today his sentence included the fact that he thought that bankman-fried had committed perjury by lying on the stand, by lying that he didn't know about how his hedge fund, alameda research was taking customer deposits and gambling with them. >> so christine, you also have covered him for a very long time, and everything that zeke was saying, you're shaking your head, so how did this even happen? i mean, i always like to look forward, but there must be some lessons here. >> i think there really are some lessons here. remember, he was pitching this to main street, to mom and pop investors as the way to get into the crypto craze, and let me be the shepherd of your dollars when really, what he was doing was he was living big. he was courting the media and courting celebrities and courting politicians. you know, he was having conference calls and investor calls while playing video games

all night long, you know, in a dirty t-shirt and shorts and no shoes on. he had this persona that somehow people bought and really, what the jury found and what the judge found is he was just a crook. he was just taking their money and using it for himself and mismanaging this money. >> what do we know about his money, zeke? because one of the things that was, as i understood it, going to be an argument was how can you commit fraud if you have enough money to pay people back, that he potentially, even though he went bankrupt, his company went bankrupt, that he might have enough money to make it whole. what is his situation right now? do we even know? >> it doesn't seem like he's got the money personally, but the attorneys who are in charge of ftx now who are running the bankruptcy, they've come out and said we've been scouring the world for assets. we found a lot of them. we think we will be able to repay the customers. a lot of that is actually

because crypto has been booming lately, and sam's assets included a lot of like random coins that he wasn't able to sell when customers wanted their money back. the bankruptcy estate held onto those and has gained billions of dollars on its crypto holdings, but the judge addressed that in court today, and he said, listen, to put it colloquially, it's as if you went in and robbed a bank, you took the money to a casino in las vegas, you gambled with it, you won. i don't care, you still robbed the bank. >> that's an interesting analogy. so what does this mean for crypto overall, do you think, or does it mean anything for crypto overall? >> it means a lot of people who thought it was a legitimate long-term investment or a hedge for inflation, those people -- those people really lost. they lost out here. it looks like it was more like a casino or a game or a video game than anything else. i mean, look, there are legitimate ways to invest in crypto, but the really sad part

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