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and as you move out of the concentric circles, you get to more and more pro-trump constituencies, which creates an interesting recipe for the election in terms of turnout. >> it's the inverse of what democrats are used to, really. historically, democrats have always been like, we want more and more people and that might not be true this time. we love democracy, but technically speaking, huntsville is a great example of this, we had a special election this week in huntsville, suburbs, alabama, where the democrat outperformed 25 points what they did in the general election last time. this is not democratic coalition people that came out. these were not progressives that turned out for the special election, it was alabama suburbs and they are the people that are the most upset about trump, most upset about the culture war stuff, and the newest members of the democratic coalition, but maybe not the most but among the most excited to vote. it's the zeal of the convert stuff. i do think that's a different
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model than democrats are used to, for sure. >> tim miller, thank you very much, that is all in for this week, alex wagner tonight starts right now. >> thank you, have a very good holiday weekend. and thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. we start tonight with big news in the pillow world out of shakopee, minnesota. >> pillow is now evicted from its warehouse in shakopee, a judge made that ruling today after the landlord said the company owes more than $200,000 in rent. be mac that is right, my pillow, the company owned by the far right election denier mike lindell has been evicted from its warehouse in minnesota for not paying rent. mr. lindell is currently trying to spin this like it's no big deal. he says that the company wasn't using the warehouse because my pillow is direct to consumer these days. but, the reason my pillow is direct to consumer is because my pillow was dropped by all the biggest retailers in the
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country. the reason for that is because of mr. lindell's role in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. as much as mr. lindell is claiming his company is still doing fine, that this is all part of the plan, this is what he had to say about his finances just a few months back in october. >> i ran out of money. i have no more money personally, nothing left. >> so, actions have consequences. and the people who pushed the big lie that the 2020 election was riddled with systemic voter fraud, those people are now being held accountable. on wednesday, a judge in california ruled that john eastman, the architect of trump's fake lectures three scheme should be disbarred for his role in pushing the big lie. trump lawyers kenneth chaz roe, john ellis, and sidney powell have all pleaded guilty in the ongoing criminal case in georgia for their roles in that
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scheme. eastman, along with jeffrey clark and rudy giuliani, is still awaiting trial in that case. while, jeffrey clark is facing discipline from the d.c. bar, rudy giuliani has had his law license suspended, and giuliani is also on the hook for $148 million in damages that he owes to georgia poll workers he defamed. rudy giuliani and sidney powell are still facing defamation lawsuits from the voting machine companies dominion and smart maddock. so, it's seemingly taken forever, but the people involved in this are actually starting to be held accountable for pushing the big lie. that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle. recent polling from the washington post shows that more americans now believe the 2020 election was rigged than they did in 2021. i should stop to say, here, as clearly as possible, there is absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the
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2020 election. but even if you were to look at the very few instances where people did illegally cast ballots, the pattern you would see is not people cheating to vote for joe biden. not by a long shot. this is barry more if you. a few years ago, prosecutors accused him of murdering his wife, those charges have since been dropped, and he maintains his innocence, but in 2020 while his wife was missing, he cast a ballot on her behalf. he told the fbi, i wanted trump to win. i just thought, give him another boat. i figured all these other guys are cheating. so, barry more if you did that in colorado. a different registered republican, a man named, i kid you not, francis presto, voted under his dead wife's name in pennsylvania. don't confuse that with the other registered republican in pennsylvania, ralph thurman, who, after casting his own ballot returned to his polling place 45 minutes later in sunglasses, and incredible
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disguise, and cast a ballot pretending to be his own son. don't confuse him with the other, other registered republican in pennsylvania, robert lynn, who tried to sign up his dead mother for mailing voting. and don't confuse them with the other, other, other registered republican in pennsylvania, bruce bartlett, who voted for trump in his dead mother's name. not to be confused with yet again, i kid you not, on the name, edward snodgrass, edward snodgrass, a republican official in ohio who forged his dead father's signature to cast a second ballot. and just yesterday, the vice chairman of the georgia republican party, who pushed the big lie himself, was fined for voting illegally nine times across efferent elections, including the one in 2020. i could go on and on and on, but you get the point.
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where actual, intentional voter fraud was found in the 2020 election, it was primarily individual examples of republicans acting on their own. not some sort of systemic democratic conspiracy. honestly, the closest we got anything systemic was that four different residents of the trump loving florida retirement community the villages admitted to voting twice in the 2020 election. but, again, fraud was never really the problem. the problem was the big lie. even though donald trump was no longer in office, other republicans who were very much still in power weapon eyes the big lie in a way that did have real consequences. in six different states, republican leaders either created or greatly expanded election integrity forces to hunt for voter fraud. while the people who voted twice in the villages were ordered to take civics classes and the republican party official in georgia was only
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fined $5000, the primarily black and brown individuals, the one republican election integrity forces went after were not treated nearly as kindly. >> we have a warrant for your arrest. >> why? voter fraud? i didn't commit no fraud. >> that's the thing, i don't know exactly what happened with it, but you do have a warrant, that's what it's for. >> oh, my god. >> voter fraud? what is voter fraud? >> why wouldn't you let me vote if i wasn't able to vote? >> i'm not sure, buddy, i don't know. >> this happened years ago. why now? why me? >> both of those individuals, ramon alber and tony patterson were arrested by the election security force governor ron desantis set up in florida. in 2018 florida past an
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amendment to the state constitution that allowed most former felons to vote if they had completed all the terms of their sentence. both oliver and patterson believed they qualified, so they voted. that was their alleged crime. and their cases are emblematic of what this extension of the big lie really represents. in all six republican-led states that had these election integrity forces, the forces overwhelmingly targeted minorities and democrats for prosecution. and analysis by the washington post showed that black and hispanic individuals made up more than 75% of the defendants these republican-led efforts chose to prosecute. the point of these election integrity forces is not actually election integrity. it is intimidation. black and brown americans and americans who have any hint of a question about whether or not they're allowed to vote, this
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is about keeping those people away from the ballot box. people who, let's be honest, tend to be democrats. the republicans behind these efforts aren't shy about the fact that they're trying to prosecute black people for technicalities and mistakes. that's actually the point. for years, now, the clearest, most damning example of all of this has been the story of crystal mason. back in 2016, crystal mason tried to vote in the general election. volunteer at her polling place couldn't find her name in the system so they gave crystal mason a provisional ballot. it turns out, miss mason technically could not vote because she was still on supervised release after serving time for a prior conviction. but she didn't know that. it was really an honest mistake, and because the ballot was provisional, her vote was never even counted. but, the republicans texas state attorney general's office went after crystal mason anyway. and convicted her of voting
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illegally. she was sentenced to five years in prison. five years in prison for trying to vote. and since then, republicans have loved crystal mason's story, because it is a threat that hangs over americans, showing what could happen to them if they even make a mistake while trying to vote. that is, until today. today, a texas appeals court acquitted crystal mason. today, after years of fighting this, crystal mason won. >> it's been overwhelming. i cried and hollered when i got the news. trying not to cry now, but, seven years. i've been out for six years on bond, one foot in, one foot out, not knowing if i was going to go to prison. so i'm humbly grateful right now on the outcome. i lost jobs, good jobs,
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insurance, just, every night. crying, praying, asking god for this to end. i knew victory would be the outcome, i can tell you that. it's been really rough, and when i got the news yesterday, i was overwhelmed with joy. it's been a long journey. >> joining me now is crystal mason, who is now acquitted of voting illegally in 2016, along with her attorney, kim cole. thanks for talking about this tonight, it's really important story. i'm sorry it had to be yours. crystal, let me start with you and how you're feeling. do you feel free? >> it's setting on me right now, it's sitting on me that i'm actually free, i'm no longer
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facing going to prison. >> can you tell me what the last several years, you were having to check in every week to see if you were going to be locked up. can you talk to us about what that experience has been like for you? >> it was very difficult. once i was convicted, i was sentenced back on the federal level, might supervised release was revoked, i had to go in and give 10 months in prison, and another 24 months on supervised release. i had to leave a good job, lose insurance, leave my kids, my family, to go back to prison, over a crime i didn't commit. >> i do wonder, i'm outraged, and i'm not your child, i'm not a friend of yours. maybe we'll be friends one day. but for the people who know you, and know what you did, and
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see the disproportional punishment that you've had to bear, what has it been like for your community of loved ones this period and how did they react, as you went back to prison? >> it destroyed them. it really affected them a lot. and i think the reason why i was able to get through it was my children, personally, was like mom, i was ashamed. like i'm leaving you guys again, i would never do this, to hurt you guys. they kept telling me, mom, you did the right thing. we are proud of you. and that's what made me feel a lot better when i had to turn myself in, that they were there to support me this whole time. but, my mom, she had a lot of things going on, because she's the one that told me to go vote.
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so she buried a lot of pain on this, she felt like it was her fault, which it wasn't. she was just doing what any mother would do. >> of course. any good citizen wants people to be part of the representative democracy. let me ask your lawyer, kim. it's been remarkable to see republicans keep going back to this, keep going back, they could have dropped this at any point. this became the subject of national attention, this is not the first time crystal has been on this channel talking about this case. why do you think they kept pressing at each turn if the appeal was overturned? this has gone through various courts of appeal, do you think it's over? republican prosecutors can appeal this decision, too. why do you think it's taken so long? >> first of all, i hope that it's over, and i trust that it is over. because the facts of the case haven't changed since crystal's
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conviction in 2018. the facts are still the same. there was no new evidence presented, there were no new arguments presented, everything was the same. i believe this went on so long because it could. as you indicated, earlier, there has been a movement to disenfranchise voters. especially voters that look like crystal. and i. and so, here in tarrant county, this was i would say ground zero. for that movement. this entire prosecution, and conviction and sentencing was orchestrated, and it was done at the request of the district attorney, to send a message to voters. and i believe it continued on because it could, as long as it
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did, because it could. and the texas court of criminal appeals, thankfully, follow the law. texas law is not equivocal. it is very clear that a person commits the offense of illegal voting if they vote in an election for which they know they are not eligible to vote. that was the law at the time. crystal was convicted, they doubled down on it since then and said, added an additional knowing clause in there to make it clear that the individual has to know that they're not eligible to vote. crystal never knew, the facts are still the same, and fortunately the court of criminal appeals sent it back down to the second court of appeals to have another look at the case. i believe their language was,
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to apply the correct interpretation of the law to the facts of crystal's case. >> crystal, it seems like the goal was to terrorize you, in a way. to keep this going as long as possible. to meet out the harshest punishment imaginable. all for a mistake. that seems to be a point, to send a message to other people that look like you. and her. women of color, communities of color, former felons, people who've made mistakes in the past. what's your message to these people who have washed your suffering and are seeing you've indicated, but are terrified of the same if they are exercising their right to vote. >> my message is, know your rights. i started an organization, the fight against voter suppression. when i was locked up, during the 10 months, i started writing things down, started journaling the whole time. i came out and at that time, i
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reached out to kim cold and told her this is what i wanted to do. she helped walk me through it and i started knocking on doors, telling people how important it is to vote, sharing my story with them and letting them know, people are confused. x felons are confused, they don't know if they're eligible, if they're not. i in turn get that information, go back to my attorneys, and we get the right information to them. if they're eligible, i register them then, and if they're not, i told him when they're eligible. this is something i didn't, this was something i was placed to do. so what i want people to know is don't let my stories scare you, but encourage you to go to the polls. >> that's such an important message. i'm sorry you had to be the one to carry that banner, but it is a service to everyone, to the
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american public. crystal mason and her attorney, kim cole, thanks for sharing your stories tonight, ladies, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up, what kind of defendant would repeatedly attack a judges daughter and do so just two weeks before they were set to go to trial in front of that judge? brand-new legal filings tonight detail the former presidents threatening behavior. first, in the aftermath of january 6th many of trumps billionaire donors said never again. surprise surprise, many of those same people are now returning to the fold, that's next. st. jude is hope for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being shared all over the world. shop etsy until april 15th and get up to 30% off thoughtful pieces made by real people to brighten your home. save on lighting, furniture, gifts and more.
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visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? in the wake of the january 6th attack, many of donald trump's high profile billionaire donors turned their backs on the ex-president,
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saying they were shocked by his attempts to overthrow democracy. today, the washington post reports that many of those same donors are now either cutting checks to trump or actively considering doing so. nelson, the billionaire investor and chairman of the board at wendy's, said this on cnbc the day after the capital attack. >> what happened yesterday is a disgrace, and i as an american and embarrassed. i didn't vote for trump in 16, i voted for him in this past election, november, today, i'm sorry i did that. >> i'm sorry i did that. three years later, republican mega donor nelson peltz is no longer sorry. according to the washington post, he recently hosted trump and other billionaires, including elon musk and hotel magnate steve wynn at his palm beach mansion. peltz told the financial times he now plans to vote for donald
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trump . billionaire real estate developer robert bigelow said after january 6th that trump had lost him as a supporter, and that he had showed that he was no commander. now, according to reuters, bigelow has already given $1 million to help pay trumps a mountain of legal bills and pledged to give 20 million more to a pro-trump campaign group. eric levine, a wealthy nikki haley donor who after january 6th pledged he would never vote for donald trump again has also reversed course, saying, due to a dramatic change in circumstances, i have decided i will vote for trump in november. joining me not to discuss this is maia wiley, president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights, and michael schmidt, investigative reporter the new york times. just, wow is all i have to say. michael schmidt, what is the import here and the grander scheme of themes of these billionaires making such a
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public u-turn? >> i was fascinated by this. who are these people? how did they get to this point? how do you go from perspectives on january 6th two voting, so i called today, the smartest most thoughtful person i know in the business world, just explain this to me, and what this person said is after january 6th these people thought they were done with trump, trump wasn't coming back, the same thought that the people at the white house had, the same thought people at the justice department had, mitch mcconnell, over the next few years, lived under biden, thinking that trump wasn't going to be president or run for president again. and came to view biden as business people as someone that was going to tax them, someone who they didn't, they thought was captive to the far left of the party. and, when the republican primary comes along, these people see trump and still
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don't like him, they like nikki haley. nikki haley was going to be the person for them. when nikki haley falls out, and you're just left with trump, these people have basically said, we've become convinced that joe biden is not up to it, they don't like the vice president, biden says at the state of the union or around the state of the union that he's going to raise taxes, and these people pivot back toward trump, what they would probably argue is the lesser of two evils. i was trying to understand, how do you get there? what are the, what is the reporting? who are they and how did that happen? >> it seems clear that the choice, they may use couched language, biden may not be up to it, it comes down to the trump tax cut. that's the thing that was a windfall for corporate moguls like these individuals, washington post reports, the
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billionaire class is threatened by biden. these guys are about creating a dynasty of wealth for themselves and hoarding it for their posterity at the expense of everyone else in society. that's steve rosenthal. sounds right to me. >> if the rest of us are paying an average of 25% of our income over to uncle sam, to take care of things like public schools, roads and bridges, in baltimore, seems reasonable to say, maybe if you're a millionaire, billionaire, you should pay 25%, too, which is essentially what president biden said in his state of the union, and what will he use it for? he will use it for extending with families with children to support their children. things out of poverty. your fighting about disney, maybe you want to make sure families can afford to go
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there, if you're the chairman of wendy's you want to make sure people can afford to buy wendy's, it seems that there's a self-interest, and the general economy that works for everyone it comes down to a pocketbook which, for them, is quite full. and a simple, simple question of, are you willing to invest in the future of the nation or are you not, and the future of the nation is everything from democracy, whether or not we actually have a sound system of government, because remember that donald trump was happy to use anti-semitism to go after another billionaire, george soros, because he saw him as an enemy. your money doesn't protect you from his retribution, which is the very word he used to describe what he will be. peoples retribution. i am your retribution. i just want to say, what is at stake, also, for everyone including the billionaire
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class, including whether or not families are able to take care of themselves, which ultimately is about having a market economy that works for everyone. >> the people you want to buy your goods and services. you mention something that i think is worth exploring here, michael, which is a lot of these people thought nikki haley was there person and when she didn't turn out to be for one reason or another and didn't make it to the actual nomination, they abandoned her. which goes to the point of, what is the nikki haley support? we have new reporting entity that biden is going to be going after heavy supporters with a new ad, we can play that in the second. but i wonder whether or not that republican support for nikki haley israel. how much, how strong was the ardor? how much are these republicans looking for a real alternative to donald trump? or are they eventually going to come home at the end of the day? >> i don't know.
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it just wasn't large enough to ultimately mean anything. but, along the lines of the haley question is, i think that for a lot of these, these wealthy wall street folks that have turned back toward trump, they don't think that the question of democracy, of the country's democracy is as serious as democrats and a lot of people have said that it is in this election, and how consequential it is. it made me think about how much that question will define the election, and if these people think that the left is crying wolf, and that the country's fine, democracy is going to be fine and donald trump, we don't really like him, he can't really do a three point turn, so who knows if he's really going to cause that much harder if he becomes president. that's a very, very different
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view than the democratic party, and lots of people watching everything play out in this country, the existential question of the election, which is what direction is the country going to really going? not on tax policy but on democracy. >> it's surprising to me, there's tangible, very tangible evidence of what the shredding of democracy looks like the right? it means you can stoke an insurrection and not be held accountable, it means you can police bodily autonomy in ways that are unimagined in the 21st century, and even the late 20th century. they are very real world applications to the argument that joe biden is making, and it surprises me that those in power who are insulated by money and wealth, and by that i mean that steve schwartzman's of the world, that they wouldn't recognize the stakes that are relevant for them in their lives and their families and their daughters. >> we have to remember that, just like any group of people,
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there is not a monolith. right? we have patriotic millionaires who, including abigail disney, the disney ledger who has said, no, tax us. we want to invest in the country. we want public schools to be better, we want people to have needs met. we want a country that's prosperous, there is a dissension between people of wealth, in terms of whether they're willing to say, we do think there's something at risk for this country, and we are going to make choices about what we invest in including what we're willing to invest ourselves. in that clip that you played, alex, said he voted for trump in november, crystal mason, you had at the top of the hour, that is what happening to people, the weaponization of division based on race, based
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on lgbtq, being told that people who are arab-american are somehow not american, and are dangerous, we're seeing the racism, the tropes, the sexism, and at the end of the day, this democracy is about whether or not we are going to come together, figure out how to solve our problems, where we disagree, figure out how to disagree constructively, to solve our problems, because we all share them. that's what billionaires need to do right now. >> we all live in the same country, even though it sometimes doesn't seem like that. thank you for being here, it's great to see you on this friday night. maia wiley, i have a few more questions for you, hang around a little longer. we have more to get to tonight including donald trump's latest legal drum after he threatened the daughter of one of his judges. but first, [ music ]
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>> [ music ] >> all of this would be just a weird sideshow were not for the fact that, as the song says, lara trump really is running the rnc. she is the cochair of the republican national committee thanks to a trump backed purge of the group's former leadership. lara trump's short tenure there has already seen some significant problems that cannot be auto tuned away. in one of her first interviews since taking office she told my colleague garrett hake that she wants to put trumps stolen election claims in the past, but just hours after that interview went public, multiple news outlets reported that the
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trump from making public statements about witnesses, prosecutors, and court staff in upcoming trial, but tonight we saw dueling motions in this case from trump's legal team and the manhattan d.a. trump's team argues his recent truth social posts do not run afoul of the gag order. meanwhile, the manhattan d.a. has asked the judge to clarify whether the judges daughter is covered by the gag order, and if not, to expand its scope. joining me now is the legal analyst and professor at the university of alabama school of law, thank you for being here tonight. do you have a position here on whether judge juan merchan should actually expand this and will expand this gag order? that's so, look, it's dicey judges typically don't protect themselves, typically because they don't need the protection. most good lawyers will insist that their clients behave, that they not for instance threaten the judge or a member of the
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judges family, so this is a unique situation, but alex, the reality is the judge will have to take action whether he wants to or not, and it is about more than protecting himself or his daughter. as the d.a. points out in a letter to make the real problem here is how this impacts potential jurors and potential witnesses. people who don't have bumped up protection for their family, and when they see donald trump doing this to the judges daughter, i think we have to accept the fact that they will be frightened for themselves, frightened for their families, and it will have serious spillover effects if the judge doesn't put an end to it now. next >> you know, joyce, i absolutely concur on the idea that this impacts witnesses and so forth, but judges have found themselves in the crosshairs and a way they haven't been for a very long time, and for people who don't know, your father-in-law was on the 11th circuit and was killed by a
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serial killer who sent a pipe bomb to his house. the threat of physical violence is one that is chilling in a way that i think you understand more than most. can you talk a little bit about that this kind of thing has on the family of judges. >> you know, it's obviously something that he wouldn't wish on anyone, but i think judges and other public servants, prosecutors, except to some extent that there is a risk that someone who is filled with hate or in the grips of a mental health crisis will harm them or it will harm their family. what you don't expect is that it will be the former commander in chief of the united states who will direct that sort of hate at you. and donald trump is out of excuses. he understands that his mob stood outside of the capitol and chanted that they built a gallo. at this point in time for trump
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not to direct his followers that they must never use violence or to not dialback his rhetoric is paramount to saying he intends for people to go ahead and follow through when he targets someone, so yes, it's terrible when we have these incidents of violence, my family's personal history attests to that. what's even worse in the situation is that someone who shouldn't be doing this, who is undercutting. i thought judge lovett tonight, former fourth circuit judge, very conservative, tweeting donald trump is destroying the rule of law in front of us, destroying the integrity of our criminal justice system. someone needs to put a stop to it, it is long past time. >> yeah, those are words with deep residence. joyce, thank you for joining me tonight, it's great to see you. still ahead this evening, while south carolina waits for the supreme court to decide if the states congressional map is unconstitutional, something a lower court ruled last year, voters in the palmetto state
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imagine you find out that your state congressional map was gerrymandered to illegally [ inaudible ] your votes. you probably expect that by the next election cycle that unconstitutional map would be thrown out. that is not the case in south carolina.
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the state will continue to use an unconstitutional congressional map for the foreseeable future, even though a panel of judges concluded that the states conservative legislature exiled 30,000 voters from the state first congressional district to make it safer for white incumbent republican nancy mace. south carolina appealed the judge's decision, sending the gerrymandered map to the supreme court for an expedited decision, and now, almost six months after hearing the case, the supreme court has yet to rule on whether or not the map needs to be redrawn, allowing south carolina to use the old unconstitutional map, the one that exiled 30,000 black voters this election cycle. that with me is president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights point maya, thank you for sticking around to be incensed with me here >> thank you for allowing me to be incensed with you point xi mean, this is the real election fraud.
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you can't get an election back, how is this happening? >> it starts with the fact that the supreme court said we are going to create an election regards, because it started saying things like, oh, you know, we are going to decide a year takes too long to organize a new election, new maps. that's before this case, but this is what's happening, what the lawyers in this case who have been trying to vindicate the rights of black people in south carolina, people who the district court said had been bleached, the district that were removed from had been bleached, that is a quote, that is what is happening here, because if you can't take black people and dilute their vote, you can essentially muffle our boat, our voices, our ability to say who leads. but this is something we have seen frankly and far too many legislatures, but unless the supreme court is willing to do what the constitution demands, which is to say no, you don't
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get to steal elections, it is actually fundamentally not what we allow, particularly when you are doing it to take elections away from people who are black, that's not what our civil war amendments were written to allow, that is not what we will allow, and this is why we need to fight for voting rights legislation, because otherwise, we keep having our elections stolen from our people. >> they were asked to expedite this, they know presumably full well that this is happening, and yet no ruling. that's not only do they know full well, there are the ones who started to say we will let gerrymandered move forward, because we didn't have enough time. this case was january '23 point they have had time to decide this, and frankly, i can't say what's going on, but i will say this, what's going on ain't right. >> there is a pattern here. louisiana, alabama, you know, states of the confederate south, south carolina, they are
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the ones that keep having these problems. we live in a world where the justices on the supreme court, the conservatives would like to say we are and he opposed north america where racism is no longer a problem. >> being race blind in this country today means being blind to injustice and refusing to address it. that is not good for democracy, and that is why we are not going to stop fighting for voting rights. >> and maya wiley, i am going to say we are ending on an up note, because the warriors in the fight continue on this friday night. >> it is a big coalition and we are the majority of this country and we are not letting it go. >> maya wiley, thank you for being here tonight, my friend point that is our show for tonight, a special edition of last word: defendant trump, co- hosted by andrew wiseman and melissa murray, starts right now.
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