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welcome back to "the weekend." we begin with donald trump's attacks on judge juan merchan and the judge patients daughter. trump relentlessly attacked them both this week but has called out merchan's daughter, a private citizen, by name on social media, labeling her a rabid trump pater. the post began hours after judge merchan slapped a gag order on trump in the hush money case which is scheduled to begin april 15th. trump's attorneys filed a challenge to the gag order yesterday. at the moment, the order does not restrict statements about the judge or his family. it is important to remember that none of this is normal, folks and that trump's words can have dangerous and real world consequences. joining us is our msnbc legal analyst. she is the former acting attorney general for national security at the justice department. >> you forgot to mention she
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is also the cohost of my favorite podcast. >> yes, she is. madam prosecutor. >> and i bring that up not to remind everyone that you have 17 jobs but because i want to pull up this tweet from your cohost to says, "trump is out on bail in four criminal cases. he posted a picture of the president bound and gagged and said is a violation of bail release conditions. time for courts to act." what would that look like? >> it is interesting because normally we think about restrictions on what you can stay on as part of your bail conditions. but those are usually given to at the time that you are given bail. you are not detained. the way judge merchan did it, he didn't really tie it to his bail. even though i agree with what we think of these prosecutors think of this is if you violate this, you can get your bail revoked and sit in jail pending your trial. >> so if it is not tied to
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that, what do tie it to? >> what was the point? >> i think it is tied to the bail but in d.c. when this came up, the judge said this was not her gag order which then went to the d.c. circuit and affirmed but changed a little bit. and then the judge merchan gag order is basically the same on the d.c. circuit issued. she did say, i had not done as originally as a condition of bail. so we are kind of dancing on the head of a pin and i think it is appropriate for a court to say, if you violate these conditions, revoking your release is one of the penalties. there could be other sanctions. there could be monetary sanctions or other sanctions. >> help me understand because i really don't, what don't these judges get? we have had how many years of this now? how many breaches of the
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appropriate protocol, the respect for the judge, the respect for the process. and now, involving family members that judges still approach this man in a way that they would not approach anyone else. there is no one else in this country that would get away with the crap donald trump gets away with, calling out judges and calling out the only members. no dancing on the pinhead of, he didn't include the family members. this was a sidebar -- what is it that they don't get that the rest of us see and we are going, how do you do this? or why do you make so many excuses? >> you started by saying that this is not normal. i think that is something judges are still trying to get past. they are trying to treat this like a normal criminal case. and even in criminal cases involving violent crimes, murders, sexual assaults, by and large, defendants comply
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with conditions of release. most people charged with murder are not released. but by and large, they know better than to attack the judge on social media. and their attorneys will tell them, this would be very bad and they listen to the attorneys. i think the judges are still trying to grapple with how we deal with somebody who is so lawless and doesn't respect court orders. >> make an example of him. >> i think partly because of appeal and worries of it being reversed or being attacked as being political. this is one of the things that is so hard for them. it is almost inherently political. even if they try to treat it like any other case, they will be called out by not just trump but all kinds of people for being overly political. i do think that the problem is that right now, it does seem like trump is mitigating the legal system to his benefit and look where we are. we are
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getting closer and closer to the election and we still don't have real accountability. i do think it is time for judges to just change their course. i don't mean to deny him his constitutional rights or due process but he needs to know that this is not okay and it needs to, the penalty. >> the biggest difference between donald trump and the normal people that will go through something like this is that they have millions of followers, not just on social media but walking around. we have proven -- one question i had, when this came down, why the judge should not include the. we have some sound from the judge that answers that question. why it was good for the judge to not include himself in the family in the gag order. >> we cannot make ourselves part of the case. obviously, we are a part of the case because we are presiding over the proceeding but we can't make the case and the
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issue about us. that can be very difficult. but it comes with the territory. first and foremost, when we take the oath of office, we have an obligation to make sure that all parties in the courtroom receive a fair adjudication regardless of who they are and what their politics are or what they alleged to have done. therefore, i think it is crucial that judges not make themselves a part of the issue. i think the judge did the right thing by not including himself in the gag order. >> do you can agree with that? >> i hear where did the judge coming from and i think he is right about that. i will also note that the d.c. circuit, when it affirmed the gag order that the judge had issued but made modifications, it made a point of saying, judges are in a different category. the prosecutor, the lead prosecutor in that case, social counsel alvin bragg, is in a different category. they sort of, by virtue of
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their position, they take on this risk. so i think judge merchan was trying to follow that lead. and i think it is right that the case cannot be about them. the problem is, what about when we get these kinds of threats? there has to be some penalty. >> what about their families? >> the judges are one category but families typically did not sign on for them to be included. >> and i think it is perfectly appropriate to expand or clarify as alvin bragg says, that the order should apply to family members of not just the court staff but the judge. >> the other part of this drama, this ongoing saga between trump and the courts, is that no for me, it is always the bottom line for donald trump beyond the delay which of course is the jury pool. is all about the jury pool. you have trump patients lawyers talking about trying to delay the hush money trial by saying,
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no fair or impartial jury could be selected anytime in the near future. what is your take in how all of this plays out for the average joe and jane out there who could be part of a potential jury pool for donald trump? and does it poison that a little bit for them coming into any particular trial with trump? >> there is a difference in judge merchan's gag order than the one in deceit -- d.c. and did comment about potential jurors. i think he was also cognizant about the hesitancy that some people might have to serve on a jury like this and wanted to ensure that they would be protected by the gag order. in terms of it, i don't think his seeking to have a delay or change of venue or anything like that is going to go
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anywhere. especially when he himself, who is basically trying to poison the well and to say, now the well is poisoned against me because of everything i have been doing. that is sort of having your cake and eating it too. so i don't think it will go anywhere. it is another instance of delay. the pool in new york is massive. and i don't think they will be unable to get a jury. i do think there will be people nervous about being on the jury and i do think there will be people that want to be on the jury and that is the trick of trying to get neutral jurors coming in with an open mind. >> that is not just new york. but it is d.c. and georgia. >> he feels like in new york or d.c., he can't get a fair trial because of these democrat liberal cities where nobody supports donald trump. he is partly creating that. we have seen juries in d.c. and in new york issue verdicts that
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the reason a person looks at the -- looking at regardless of the politics, he is not going to get anywhere on this but he will try everything. >> he is. god bless us. >> we appreciate your insight in helping us understand this. after the break, we will continue a conversation with congressman eric swalwell. he will join us at the table. you are watching "the weekend"! ekend"!
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american democracy relies on the efforts of hundreds of thousands of election workers across the country. just like with donald trump's attacks on judges, one party's embraces this as dangerous consequences. we learn the secretary of state in colorado so a 600% increase in the number of threats against her in the state's efforts to kick trump off the presidential primary ballot. joining us is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he is a member of the house judiciary committee and served as an impeachment manager during donald trump's second impeachment trial. good morning. >> thank you for having me back. >> we are in a space now where donald trump is threatening judges. you have and creating the kind of havoc in the political space that translates on the ground where election operations play out and boots are tabulated.
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up to this process, seemingly worked fine. what is your take on how we reinforce the efforts of our secretary of state and election officials not only to protect them from the 600% increase in threats against him but the overall integrity of the system itself to reassure, as we go through the front end, this will be a well-run election. this will be tightly controlled. and the level of transparency on the front end that people can trust so that when trump comes back with his bs on the back end, people are made aware and are ready for it. >> to address these threats, unity has to be the antidote. that means republicans and democrats have to condemn it. we pick leaders and policies by
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voting. and we have to fund at the federal, state and local level. aggressive prosecutions to make sure we are holding accountable the folks when they do this. is democrats, even independence and republicans, we have to say this is an effort to use process over policy. donald trump and the maga game, they don't want to talk about policy. so they will argue over, not just argue but intimidate the people involved in the process. but they are completely bankrupt when it comes to policy. unity and condemnation and funding the efforts to stop it. and don't get stuck in the process. >> one of the things i'm constantly thinking about is, one, asking folks about, the
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kinds of threats that come with elections nowadays and the concerns we have and should continue to have from january 6th on, i'm curious if you are less concerned or more concerned about the possibility of political violence in 2024. largely because folks are paying attention and we are having these conversations more efficiently. at the same time, they seem to be growing. much more concerned. >> we are a country armed to the teeth. the most dangerous people have access to the most dangerous weapons in the country. the violent rhetoric, we such as yesterday from the former president's truth accounts where he is glorifying violence and it continues to go up. when part that concerns me is those charged with
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investigating these threats are overwhelmed because the investigators are being threatened. the people typically investigating someone threatening an elected official or a poll worker, that fbi official, that u.s. attorney is also being threatened. this is just an attempt to overwhelm the system. that makes me very nervous seven months out. >> so against that backdrop, you have former president trump attending the funeral of a slain nypd officer using that tragedy to make a case about crime when the reality of crime in new york city is actually down. interesting that he cares about crime in a very specific context and believes it can be weapon iced for means of fear. when he was not concerned about crime january 6th and not concerned about the lives of police officers that lost their lives or changed january 6th. it is not through anything but this one lens that he wants to talk about crime. >> and by the way, he did not go to the wake of the officer and did not offer condolences
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to his family. so the showboating at the weekend new york was unfortunate. it goes to lucy's point of how it is all weapon iced. >> i say this is a brother to two police officers and the son of a cop. we have to pierce through this. donald trump will very cheaply use police officers when it benefits him. but again, when police officers rate his house, he now is part of the effort to defund their efforts. and it poses a challenge for us. i do think that we need to tell the police, we back the blue. he backs the coup. he will back police officers as long as they are backing him. when it comes to funding public safety, we have consistently tried to put up money for community policing. they have voted against it. when it comes to the union
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protections officers have, we continue to back that and he would never afford that. it is not easy. if we can earn back a little bit of the trust of law enforcement, that would be great. that is why i'm all in helping harry dunn who is running for congress. we need more police officers in the ranks. and ran for the senate. and i don't think it hurts us. >> why do you think narrative for democrats continues to be that you guys want to defund the police? there was a small subset of that conversation. it took up a lot of oxygen for a lot of different reasons. some good reasons for conversations about how the country should deal with criminal justice reform. but that has not actually been what happens in policy and more importantly, it is not how leaders of the party -- you guys had the house. those are not the bills that were coming forward. not the kind of way joe biden has been running the administration. what should the democrats be doing to actually make that
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point to people. i hear it every once in a while. does it feel consistent or feel like it goes across the party? i'm curious if you have a reason as to why. >> we shouldn't be afraid of our shadows. i think of weaknesses that sometimes we can distinguish the signal and the noise. so you hear a little bit of noise from those on the furthest left who would want to defund the police or have a completely open border and then we get cautious and think, we don't want to upset them. they don't reflect where most americans are who believe that they can be safe in their community and you can have criminal justice reform. especially with the black community who has traditionally suffered under policing policy. we can do that? we don't have to choose one or the other. sometimes we are afraid of our own shadow. we can't do that because that is not where the american people are. i think we should be proud of the public safety record. >> congressman, we want you to stick around.
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it seems house republicans cannot get their act together. oversight chairman james comber invited the invitation to testify. this comes after the fundraising e-mail was sent finally admitting that an actual impeachment vote is not going to happen. he says that instead, he is preparing criminal referrals to send to the justice department in the hopes that a future trump administration would act on them. congressman eric swalwell is back with us at the table.
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>> i will start on the criminal referrals and what is next. it seems to me, as somebody may be paying too much attention to this, is that the criminal referrals are going to go nowhere obviously and they can say that this doj is protecting joe biden as they have been trying to push this entire time and and is that the sense you get from this? >> yes. and by the way, if you have enough evidence for a criminal referral, don't you have enough evidence for a high crime misdemeanor? it doesn't even make since. they don't have the evidence so they don't have the votes for impeachment. they have put themselves completely into a cul-de-sac on this. they don't know how to get out so it is a way to find an offramp for this embarrassing investigation. democrats should say that joe biden has been acquitted. we were promised he would be impeached. they are not impeaching him. we have to play on their side
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of the field and not allow them to define the narrative as to where this is going. >> can we go further in this crazy reindeer game that they are sitting here thinking, in the next trump administration, all the evidence will appear. if you don't have evidence after five years of the investigation, that you won't have evidence. >> it is not about the evidence. >> it follows perfectly in which there has already been a promise that he will weapon eyes the doj. it is just creating a pathway eyewear if he was able to win a second term, they could say we have the criminal referrals ready to go and it doesn't matter to him. in that future doj, it doesn't matter that there is no evidence. >> all the allegations we have took place when donald trump was president. they could have prosecuted him then. it doesn't add up. >> one of the big tells from comer is a chance of announcing
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this in a fundraising e-mail. they are all goofy. democrat or republican. like nobody will read this but you. >> i have chosen you. hyperlink. >> the entire -- non- impeachment on behalf of the american people or the american government. mimi me. and the tell is that your putting this information in an e-mail to raise money. >> and he is essentially using the house to work as donald trump's prosecutor and lawyer. that is at the cost of everything else we could be doing. by the way, there is a bridge in the water in baltimore that needs the focus of congress and the energy and we won't be able to get the funding that bridge and infrastructure needs because they will spend all
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their time obsessed with taking down joe biden. >> we have not done anything with guns are on the border or with ukraine. >> the thing about the bridge, and we will do more coverage on that tomorrow. the reality of it is donald trump has yet to speak to that particular crisis. he has not issued statements or condolences to the individuals that lost their lives doing their job. so the politics for them is all tied to the griff. and because you cannot really drift off the bridge, you do for the impeachment. what does this look like for house democrats who i think right now, irrespective of all the other crazy going on in the house, or in the best position they have been in in a while to not just take back the house but expand their seat, the majority significantly? is
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that a fuel or as sense among the members, particularly talking earlier, the 17 or so seats that joe biden won and those seats look a little stronger. >> 11 of those seven are being run by republicans being led into crazy trump is in. >> you've never seen in the history of the congress that the minority party has delivered the majority of votes on every vote of consequence. to pay the bills and lift the debt ceiling. the multiple times you have taken us to the brink on government shutdowns and throwing out the fraudster george santos. so jeffries is especially the speaker. i have to reject that out. >> we have republican members that feel that way too. >> . we have to finish the job passing gun safety legislation and continuing to expand. democrats will show confidence
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and you can never give the republicans the key to government because they will continue to show corruption and chaos. >> one of the things those republicans will admit behind closed doors that part of the field impeachment was trying to muddy the waters in 2024 to give president trump the ability to say, he is also impeached or being investigated and being impeached. in the house and the senate didn't do their job kind of thing. do you think the waters have been muddy enough for the american people because they have not been following the ins and outs. >> look at the classified documents. it was donald trump's appointed u.s. attorney who trump appointed who was investigated and cleared and it was donald trump's prosecutor's and james comer that will clear joe biden on this impeachment investigation by not bringing impeachment. if we can't tell the story that
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trump's own people couldn't even back of the allegations trump made about biden. >> so nice to have you at the table. i do miss your children patients little voices in your dog barking in the background. the biden campaign principal deputy campaign manager quentin fulks will join us to discuss the blockbusting fundraiser between presidents biden, obama and clinton. this is "the weekend" on msnbc. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card. make more of what's yours.
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president biden is putting his days between the white house and the campaign trail as he makes a push to widen his popularity with voters and raising a lot of cash. this week, the campaign brought in $26 million at a single new york city fundraiser with bill clinton and barack obama. the biden campaign released new video from the event. the president framing what is at stake this november. >> we are at a real inflection
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point in history. things are changing. this guy denies there is global warming. he wants to get rid of not only roe v wade but brags about wanting to get rid of the ability of anyone in america to choose. all the things he is doing are so old. speaking of old. [ applause ] >> a little old and out of shape but anyway. >> and the man has jokes. joining us, is the biden/harris deputy campaign manager, quentin fulks. >> good to see you. you have this huge event. you have the three democratic presidents on stage together with stephen colbert and all of those things. i'm curious, when i talked republicans, they say that the chasm between how much money you guys are making all the
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time and how much donald trump and folks are going to be able to make and have been making, is huge. and they are not sure if they can bridge the gap. as you guys are getting the money, talk about what that opens up for you. i don't know that everyone understands just how wild that is for one event. trump folks say they will have an event in a couple days and they will do 33 million. we will see if that pans out for them. >> we will let them decide on that. what we did the other night was unprecedented. a single night alone, we raised $5 million more than donald trump raised the entire month of february. it is really important because it is another sign to me that our coalition is mobilizing and are energized and are coming home to support president biden and make sure donald trump doesn't get the white house. what it allows us to do is hire staff, open field offices. we opened 100 offices in the month of march. we have staff and every one of the battleground states.
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we are communicating with voters directly. the president, vice president and the second gentleman are all taking the case to voters. we have billboards. we are running a campaign and it takes resources to run a campaign and set up this infrastructure and you need time. and donald trump doesn't have either. he is running out of time and not consolidating his base. the rnc is in shambles. we are pulling out fundraisers like this. we have the president talking to voters directly. i'm excited about what the resources allow the campaign to do. the other piece of that is that grassroots supporters make up a large portion of this. these are people giving less than $200. at one point, 3 million have contributed. 97% giving less than $200. that is a big thing for us and we are incredibly proud of it. >> the other night was, in the words of bernie sanders, huge, no doubt.
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it was a big night. not just for the president and democrats but i think within the political environment, a lot of folks and on the republican side also were like, i wish we could have done that. the other side of that wonderful night was, i think important work that is either not being addressed and maybe you can clarify it is. the political reporting has been that it has been well over two months since chris christie jumped out of the presidential primary. how has biden not called chris christie? political malpractice and he is not the only anti-trump republican waiting for the phone to ring. i could not emphasize anymore the importance of that one piece of that point. what are the campaign efforts to get the president in
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communication. maybe it is and we don't know and it is not being public yet. do you think that is going to be an important part or should be an important part of this effort as well? raising all that cash is having the reinforcement of republicans and independents out there like chris christie, liz cheney, or mitt romney. even if they don't absolutely endorse but give a wink and a nod to say this guy that stands for democracy is better for this than the one he wants to be a dictator? >> it is important. and our campaign has been focused on these voters and on communicating. the folks trump has said he does not want in the republican party. they are not extreme enough for him. and these are people that have been showing up. voters who in the primary season, when chris christie and nikki haley were running, they sent a powerful message to trump that they don't stand for his brand of politics.
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we have been focused on making sure they know they have a place in the biden campaign and on the biden administration. since day one, the president has been a president for all americans. you are not met with retribution or threats when you disagree with president biden. you are but with listening and understanding and that is a big contrast point. the resources we continue to raise will allow us to communicate with these voters. we just released an ad talking to these voters directly and we will continue to double down and make sure they have a place. the voters stood up to trump in 2020 and have stood up against the things that the maga republican party wants to do in 2022, and 2023. in states like georgia and powerful of these voters to come across the aisle and send a strong message. i saw it in my work with senator raphael warnock. same in georgia. we saw 70,000 voters cast a vote for nikki haley. it is a direct message to donald trump and the maga party that the voters won't stand for this and we will continue to do everything we can to thwart
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them. >> my point isn't the voters but the people who can bring the voters. that is the peace here that jonathan martin and his political piece was making. somebody like chris christie or nikki haley and others who have the direct connection to those voters that your campaign and joe biden do not have. are you looking to position those individuals first by having the president make that outreach? because publicly, that is a big deal in this environment. i don't care how you cut it, my friend. it is a big deal if the white house or the campaign can say, this particular conversation has taken place. >> look. i think we will have those conversations down the line as we move forward. but the focus is on voters and they know chris christie is one vote. i understand your point that chris christie could maybe mobilize the voters. but at the end of the day, we will continue to do exactly
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what we have been doing and talk to the voters who have stood up. and they have done a. i think chris christie and nikki haley will be important factors. and we will definitely look at that as we move forward along the election cycle. >> i'm sure you saw the image that the former president shared on his truth social. your boss, the president of the united states, bound and gagged, trump at 2024 emblazoned on the back of the pickup truck that was carrying him away. what is the campaign do and say in the face of escalating rhetoric against your president and the candidate for the united states president? >> we have to make sure people see it. unfortunately, i wish that was not the case. but it is not surprising that donald trump would share an image like this because this is his brand of politics and his vision of america. at every turn, we have seen what he is willing to do. he says there will be a mud
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bath if he is not reelected. he says that the insurrectionist that stormed the capital and attacked police officers under his direction on january 6th are hostages and he would pardon them. he said he would be a dictator on day one. it is not a surprise. it is him telling the proud boys to stand back and stand by. this is who donald trump is and the contrast and what is at stake in the selection with two fundamentally different views of what america will be. and donald trump continues at every turn to show exactly who he is and the campaign will approach it by making sure voters see it and they know he wants there to be violence in america. he is not looking for peace. he is not looking for freedom. he is looking for violence, revenge and retribution. >> before we let you go, this will be the longest general election and history. we are deep into it. >> it has been a year already. >> i'm curious, how you deal
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with that voter apathy. because we are already seeing that within the democratic base. not just older voters but younger voters and more progressive voters that file kind of way negatively about president biden. so how do deal with that apathy. we will be talking about this nonstop and will be this entire time? >> one, we have to communicate with the voters. we made it a priority to communicate with voters all across the board. young, old, black, latino, we have made a direct outreach to these voters in all the states and we are setting a campaign to do it. i'm a big believer in the fact that you can't have campaigns without joy. and one of the things i think is of all the terrible things about donald trump and everything donald trump wants to do, the one thing we have in this is something we deeply care about. and we have to have joey and
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his campaign. we have to communicate with people about the positive things that have been done. we have to communicate on the record of low employment and the fact that people are not paying thousands of dollars for insulin anymore and we have to say that it is because the people who have shown up. at the end of the day, politics is a "what have you done for me?" game. the president got to work saving lives during the pandemic and lowering costs and making sure people have the basic necessities of life. that is a big deal when people across the border are coming together. climate change and gun violence. you name it. there is something the administration has done for every constituency group and we want to make sure that they know that and that we are actively doing everything we can to bring them in and invite them to events and have conversations with them. at the end of the day, this conversation is about them. not joe biden. it is about american voters. we trust american voters to stand up to donald trump and his brand of politics and make the decision that will set america on the right path
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because history is watching us. and americans have not let us down. they voted donald trump out in 2020 and are continuing to win and voted across america to continue to stand up to this brand of politics. they fundamentally believe in the vision of america that is right and just and where everyone has a chance to succeed and an opportunity to succeed most importantly and that is exactly what joe biden and kamala harris believe. >> we really appreciate you. >> make some phone calls. >> before we go, you know we have to discuss this. we have to discuss the fact that donald trump is hocking bibles for $60 just ahead of easter. the perfect easter gift. we will talk about it. this is "the weekend." now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently.
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>> michael. >> he remembered the two corinthians he met. >> i find this extremely offensive. i cannot imagine for you, as a person of faith, how'd deeply offensive this is. >> this is so rich. it's not even trump. is not trump. it's everybody else who buys into this and who are buying bibles that are basically used -- being used as is a form of ideology does the bible has in it the constitution, bill of rights, the pledge of allegiance. these documents are secular documents that have no place inside of this particular document which is the faith traditions of christians and jewish people represented in the old and new testament. and it is offensive beyond
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imagination. in fact, at one point, when the story broke, i sent out a tweet with a picture of jesus cleansing the temple. and i wanted to make the point to donald trump that joe biden would be the first one he threw out of the temple. to do this during holy week, right before easter and to have so many people like, i cannot wait to get my bible, set your behind down and go to confession. go work it out. because you have issues you have to account for at some point. and this is the thing that drives me crazy about all of this. that is my fourth point. >> i have a fifth though. >> it is critical because you have him relying on messianic messaging which has evolved
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during his time in the public eye. not just that he is the messiah but trying to bring forth a policy platform that does away with the separation of church and state. >> and that is right. and you covered this and you know. to what end? what do they think happens when the lines between church and state are blurred? what does that mean for everyone who isn't a christian in this country? >> often times, they are not thinking that far ahead. >> it's like abortion. >> what they think of is the evangelicals are getting what they want with donald trump so they won't be doing the same thing. >> we have more to say. there is more "the weekend" after this. >> coming up, the meeting of the book club. roxanne gaye discussions her award-winning member. beginning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc.
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