can we expect higher chocolate races? late races? in the past year, way out pacing inflation. cocoa prices have doubled in the past four months. why? most cocoa produced on the planet is from west africa. they had incredible floods earlier this year at the end of last year. then they had a big drought and wind. cocoa crop decimated deliveries of cocoa down some 35% in the past quarter. these prices have been up. that's why you are paying more for chop late afternoon. we have el nino to blame. >> thank you so much. that will do it for this edition of alex reports. see you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. welcome to the beat

weekend. let's get right into the headlines. >> there is major news in holding trump's coup lawyer accountable even as some threaten putin style attacks on opponents if they get trump reelected. this is as a california judge ruled against trump lawyer john eastman today who separately awaits trial in georgia. mounting legal setbacks are significant because he was legal master mind and architect of key planks of the coup plot as january 6 hearings showed. >> he started to ask me about e something dealing with georgia g and preserving something potentially for appeal. >> i don't think it's your authority but frankly i think you have a duty. >> did dr. eastman admit his

proposal would violate the electorial act. >> he acknowledged that was the case, even what he viewed as more politically palatable option would violate provisions. >> i said are you out of your effing mind? i want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. >> orderly transition. that's about eastman as described by trump administration colleagues. those accounts came from people who generally backed donald trump's policy and ideology but stopped short of the authoritarian coup eastman was plotting on trump's behalf. should be disbarred or dispelled over his conduct in the plots, judge citing lies and gross negligence involving 2020 election trump lost and fighting state bar investigative unit did prove he conspired with trump

to obstruct lawful function of theu government through the january 6 plot man. eastman and jeffery clark are both at risk of losing their law licenses. that's huge. they have already been searched by agents in the separate case. you can see some dramatic me unusual footage on your screen. being disbarred forms a warning to other lawyers who might ho ponder similar actions on behalf of, yes, donald trump now but other politicians in the future. it's an important line in the sand. some antidemocracy lawyers might argue if they can figure out how to do something that's not so technically a felony, maybe they can go up to the line. here we have seen the bar process in several states showing even if lawyers try to use their legal knowledge to beo that tricky a betrayal of duty can stop them from practicing law again. for most of the people, that is a big part of their life and also a main source of revenue. it is a big deal. i want to be clear.

that is separate from whether they are found to have committed crimes. both of the two men for example are presumed innocent legally. they also both await criminal trials. georgia will determine criminal liability when they get their day in court. clark was in court yesterday in a separate but obviously related disbarment hearing where he just stuck to the questions. >> that mr. fox i will invoke the fifth as to, i will invoke executive privilege, law enforcement privilege, deliberative process privilege, and attorney client privilege. fifth executive, executive privilege, law enforcement privilege, attorney client. executive privilege and the other three and i am taking the fifth. >> the other three and i am taking the fifth. it's hey i got so many reasons to be privileged. legally he may indeed have that right. for example one of the rights you are afforded in our

constitution is if you are facing potential prosecution and imprisonment which is a big deal, you cannot be forced to answer questions to provide testimony and evidence against yourself not only in the prosecution proceeding but in other related judicial and legal proceedings. so he has that right. here is the bad news though. when you claim that right, you are only getting out of answering the question. you are not getting out of being disbarred if evidence supports it and you are not helping your defense because if you did have words to explain clearly why you didn't commit a crime or conduct that you could be disbarred for, this would be the time to share it. officials will decide whether e it warrants disbarment. there is a broader pattern that however long it took really matters. yes, trump has shown he likes to delay things. it's his first and favorite legal tactic. sometimes has shown ways it's worked. delays for many other cases have not worked. they are failing. i will show you now in our lead

story. clark and eastman join four other trump lawyers facing disciplinary actions. stamps show where they're in trouble. giuliani suspended in new york, also faces disbarment in dc. ellis, powell, chess borrow, charged and convicted. they've pled guilty and that puts in practicing law again. being convicted is worse than being disbarred. those are the lawyers. the lawyers matter extra s. because i can tell you before the lawyers hatch january 6 plot, ten years ago january 6 was not a date in american politics or history. it was not something that the news covered a lot. it's not something people looked at as extra time to do anything because of course by january 6, everything has been finished. it's finished at the state level. courts have reviewed it.

there is nothing left to do, which is why what they tried beyond the violence was also unconstitutional. you don't have the vice president come in and reverse outcome after a national election on january 6. never happened before, didn't work this time, not supposed to happen in the future. how did that get so popularized that donald trump learned and cared about it? he ain't no constitutional scholar. how did all the people come that day? all this started with the lawyers. many people around politics know about politics. many people around donald trump know about lying. it took a relatively small number of lawyers to abuse knowledge, go beyond zealous advocacy for a client which is fully protected and go into something else. that's the lawyers. they started it, master minded it. they made january 6 is thing. there are other folks, key players that are facing real

accountability. we are running out of room in stamps for the chart but we are using it accurately so i will walk you through highlights. novarro is first to actually report to prison. as we discussed he has been incarcerated since last week over defying january 6 investigators. bannon was convicted on the charges. if he does not get a judge to intervene he will also report to prison. there is an unknown coconspirator facing that level of heat though so far the name is not public. there is the official during all this, through january 6 in the white house, mark meadows. he is a witness in washington and he has been indicted in georgia. dominoes have fallen around trump who himself we reveal

here faces his own control trials. if you look at the coup, put aside classified documents, new york business issues, civil fraud case, just on the coup he has two indictments and doj case could still go to trial before election depending on what the supreme court does in other things. prosecutors wanted the trials even amidst packed election year, the argument being that the further to the right the trials go is not because of prosecutors, it is because of b trump and delay tactics. you can't delay things and drag them out for a year and then complain they are close to the election when you made them close to the election. that at least is the legal argument. i will restate again trump like the other defendants in each of the trials is legally presumed innocent until prosecutors carry the burden if they can of proving the defendant guilty. is that it? no. there are other people facing other forms of accountability over these related lies.

take lake, not even contesting claims she defamed an election worker. giuliani has filed for bankruptcy and owes over 140 million for his election defamation again against people with far less power and money than him. although when this is done and over, if he is fully bankrupt, he may have managed through his defamatory lies to have traded places with some of the people. take fox news which has generally resisted airing live interviews with former president trump this year, that among other things is a result of record breaking $780 million defamation case which also is linked to and became sort of the precursor to several people being ousted from lou dobbs to tucker carlson. you are getting out of the ms and into the bs, billion

dollar defamation problem as "washington post" put it or as rapper future has remarked, sometimes you gotta eff up some commas. and a billion is a lot of commas. now, that is just some of the people and some of the open cases and related defamation punishments around these election lies. how do people respond? i mentioned whether you like or dislike fox, the legal reality, pressure on him is a company with a board and investors, rs other liabilities is they have changed some approach to some of the known liars. that is a type of response. some would say it was a type of course correction. if it's not on everything, it's on a few things. other people closer to trump including trump himself are promising the opposite. take mr. bannon who had a white house position. you may recall we interviewed him once on this program. he could easily be on trump's

short list for a very powerful role in any new administration. he had the number one role of campaign chair in '16 served in the white house at a high level. they had a falling out but got back together because trump used pardon powers on him. he plans if he can to be part of a trump many second term where political prosecution against po democrats are on the table where a putin style effort at going after opponents not for what they might have done in honest investigation but just for who they are and a political attack meaning he basically says democrats will be imprisoned in any second trump term. >> the evening after we've won, the accountability project is going to start and it's going to be thorough. it's going to be they're going to be in prison. yes, prison. >> quote, they're going to be in prison, yes, prison. that is the sign to send a

message to wake people up, to scare people, to instill fear. it's all in public. if it were just a private plan, you might send private messages and write up private blueprints. that's a secretive approach. this is something that looks more like at least an attempt at an aspect of the putin play book where the use and singling out of government power against your opponents doesn't just take them off the table or as it sometimes has been in russia worse. it also sends a message to earn else. maybe you don't want to be involved in that. maybe you want to live your life and avoid being grouped in with the group of people that mr. bannon are going to be in, quote, yes, prison. usually in either party if people at the white house at that level, white house level people, if you said is your boss

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vesting him again with the power of the presidency would be an ex ten shall threat to the survival of the republic. >> liz cheney with a warning about a trump second term and a history professor joins us. i walked through both much of the accountability as well as warnings from steve bannon. your thoughts?

>> it's really important that there is this pushing back and showing others that their behavior can be held accountable. for example things that will hit them like disbarment. autocracy is about legalized lawlessness. that's why you need people who have no ethics and no morals and often are criminals to serve in your government. and these are people who are actively pardoned sometimes. that's why they use pardons to free up those people for service. what we've been seeing though with trump's white collar accomplice is a kind of moral and ethical collapse, a total collapse. it starts when you have somebody like trump. this is why liz cheney is saying he is a threat because trump is somebody who has no morals and is highly transactional. he encourages and rewards

people. showing contempt of democratic norms of accountability, conflict of interest. then they can start to feel as though they are protected. they will have immunity as long as they're in the charm circle of donald trump. so you see those mug shots like with mark meadows. i wrote a piece about this. he was angry in his mug shot but it was a little bit like he couldn't believe this was happening to him. when you have that kind of moral and ethical collapse among large swaths of the white class, white collar criminals they become, you can engineer a kind of of democracy. justice thomas refuses to recuse. what he is saying by not recusing is he doesn't feel he can be held accountable by conflicts of interest. it's a very large moral problem we are facing.

>> justice thomas is basically beyond the reach of the current system so you have to reform the system. many other lawyers as noted are not. we'll put back up in a moment the image from the break down in the lead story of the staff. it really is piling up. i understand the fatigue or sense of oh what's happening, we'll leave this up for a moment and then talk about it. some people are in prison. the process takes time. people are entitled to rights and appeals but that's a lot of stamps you see up there. >> it is. and each one is sending a message to other people that there will be consequences and that this massive delegitimate of our rule of law, all the norms of democracy will not succeed. it goes all the way to the top where this is why gop fund raiser in kansas, they were encouraging people to beat up

an effigy of biden and of course taboos broken with january 6th which was an attack on congress itself. all members of congress had to run for their lives. this kind of moral collapseit starts small. we have to remember the first, trump's presidency over 10 or 11 people in the white house ignored hatch act and then we have bannon and others ignoring subpoenas up to conspiring to over throw the government. >> yeah. yeah. we've kind of covered both sides of the proverbial coin here at a time when the issues are rightly under scrutiny including under scrutiny in bar proceedings. professor, thank you for joining us. >> it's always a pleasure. >> we are back in a moment with more of the beat weekend. nd.

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clap out of deep red alabama where the democrat you see on your screen just republican opponent by 25 points in a special election, a name you might have started hearing for the first time today if you follow this kind of politics in news, marilyn lands winning, flipping the state house seat building on candidates running a women's rights since trump's judges got supreme court to end roe v wade. >> marilyn lands has won house district seat in alabama. >> reliably red district in north alabama turning blue in a special house election. >> she made reproductive rights a center piece of her campaign. >> it's a victory tonight for women, for families, for alabama in general. >> people are verified excited to see lands win. >> people value their freedom in the south, midwest, anywhere in the country. >> anywhere in the country. this marks another moment where

voters are speaking which is different from hearing from the dc elite or other people trying to tell us what's happening in the country. we're looking at various horse race polls seven months before biden and trump actually face off. here tonight we are reviewing what the voters said in one place, and i am going to put you in kind of a context to remember how much it matches what voters said in many other places since the court over ruled roe. results are clear. abortion is winning approach for democrats as politico reports even in red states. lands was on offense for policies for women across the country and general idea that whether you live in alabama or somewhere else, people support some abortion rights. overwhelmingly 73% when you look at the first six weeks of pregnancy, democrats writing basically what they see as obviously mainstream view

against far right crackdown. take usa today which is not a left or right publication but put it like this. wins alabama house seat by 25 points. this is the message far and wide. the race is clearly seen as early test on how issues can play out in the general election about seven months away. it shows head wins for republicans all over the country including in alabama. many are getting the message. >> that is huge. >> it's a massive margin in deep red alabama. democrats are calling this a political earthquake. >> when we lean in as candidates, candidates lean in and lead and personalize this, it's compelling and a winning message. >> this is amazing because it's about issues and about digging deep into issues and creating a movement around it. >> that last voice there, state party chair talking to nicole just in the last hour. how did we get to this point? the road is pretty clear.

we have reported how the right finally got to its policy goal after promising otherwise to use its power on the supreme court aided by trump to gut roe v wade. that shifted the whole debate and landscape from a hypothetical to an urgent reality. the reality, politicians usually republican often male in your doctor's office is incredibly unpopular. voters back women's rights every time they've been asked and it's appeared since roe fell in every state that's faced it. yesterday some of the same conservative justices who unleashed policy thicket we are in now, who unleashed women's backlash, now they're changing their tune and questions. i mentioned last night, they're wavering on the legal path they set as democratic appointees and those talking about precedent said it should never have come to this. protests are mounting. the pressure is on. we heard this court basically jammed with a case it has to

take because of in its view the need to continue to have a national litigation of where to draw these lines because they over turn the president and now the court had a different tone. this case as you may recall, is about whether you go another step and limit abortion access on the pill, on the extreme efforts out there to override essentially nonpartisan scientists at the fda, try to further limit women's rights to decide for themselves whether to at some point take or not take an abortion pill. >> what do we want? >> freedom! >> is it the first time? is it the only time any court restricted access to an fda approved drug by second guessing fda expert judgment. >> no doctors can be forced against their consciouses to perform or assist in an abortion, correct? >> hey, hey, abortion pill has got to go. >> i had understand the

conscious harm as justice barrett does but you suggest a broaded one. >> while some new supreme court justices may be weary whatever their reasons, he is running floating a national abortion ban that would kick in at 15 weeks. if you are listening in a blue state or a place that has consecrated the rights, kansas, this would override that if there is a federal ban if he is elected. politically democrats welcome the topic and the clear stance. biden is leading into a campaign strategy hammering this in the general election in the months ahead. they see it but the biden campaign is a clear contrast and way to mobilize women and younger voters. this is a strategy biden was touting on the roads yesterday. democrats think they can flip the state as same gop positions collide with extreme candidates. there are voters who don't pay

as close attention to where gop is gone. maybe they hear about trump but they may not realize until campaign season the deeper set from the tea partier are a to the maga era. controversial or oddball candidates who assured voters she was not a witch. she lost. we are a long way from there. now apart from trump, gop areas top congressional faces are, well, they're a lot. there is a new extreme speaker. there was the senator hand-picked for state of the union response that was so out of touch, extreme, bizarre, it made for instant saturday night live self parity. can you pick them apart? most republicans didn't even pretend to defend that. my pointed isn't picking a random speech here or there.. voters who don't follow this

early may not know but they're betting by november everyone in north carolina will know that the gop put hitler quoting divisive hate extremist on the top of the ticket. he attacks people based on identity and sexuality, calls american citizens maggots, says we should go back to an america where women could not vote. is it extreme to respond or worry? is it extreme to have the position in the first place? biden argues that, what i am showing you on the screen, reveals the true republican party of 2024. even if voters don't buy all that and don't think for example that this nominee mark robinson or trump represent all republicans, democrats do have a point. they have evidence that this nominee will dampen gop unity and enthusiasm in the state as people learn what it would mean to support that. it would be for most people, for a lot of people, the kind of views they wouldn't allow at

the kitchen table, wouldn't have you over for dinner in your house let alone say you should be in charge of the state. as other maga extremists have lost winnable races in places friendly to republicans especially when untested and reality type tv republicans were thrown as new candidates to the electorate in places where people said they like republicans. be clear, there is a lot of support for republicans but they didn't like her walker. the loss was a red seat. they didn't like dr. oz. these candidates can meet the same fate in key states like ohio, arizona where the '22 is now running again this time for senate. those are the candidates and some of the issues. then there are trump's other

unique problems that over hang this. no presidential nominee has run for the white house while preparing to go on trial. routing so much donor money away from his own and other republican campaigns to personal legal bills which reinforces the gop money gap and cash crunch we have been reporting on. it's hurting them with talk of a skeleton campaign structure in certain states. what's interesting here is we talk so much in the news and in politics about some of the things with he we know most about. what donald trump is and what he is going to be if he is back in power and what accountability looks like. joe biden who people know well and a lot of democrats are excited about what they see as his experience and consistency. if you look at the polls, americans are concerned about his age about but him and trump are

similar age, and how he would do over the next four to five years. what i walked you through is a bunch of other stuff that is clearly real. it's not about imagining somebody else's age over there or projecting how they would do or any of that stuff. it is about your freedom, your rights, the very real consequences when politicians decide to take your freedoms away. could that be what this election ultimately turns on, which would be different than what we have been hearing? i posed that to someone who followed many a presidential race with an open mind and keen eye. gene robinson is back with us, next. next. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. you know what's brilliant? boring. think about it. boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space?

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stunning. it really is. democrats do not win in districts like that by 25 points. now, if it had been a squeaker or some fluke involved, you could sort of write it off and just walk past. no. 25 points. those voters meant it. they meant what they said last night and that gets to the larger point of how we should be view this coming election which is one thing, one set of data we really ought to pay attention to is what voters are actually doing in election rather than what they tell polsters they will or might do or intend to do. i am not somebody who says polls are totally unimportant and totally invalid. some are clearly better than others. but what voters actually do, i

mean, that's in the bank. we know that's real. what voters have been doing resoundingly is rejecting this theft of their freedoms in election after election and blue state after red state, blue state after red state, it has been happening. you know, past results do not necessarily guarantee future performance, but you have to look at that and see perhaps a template for november. >> yeah. and we are over informed and over indexed. you, me, our viewers on the information. i think that's a good thing if you can gather some information. a lot of folks, if they're in north carolina and it's march, they're busy, yeah trump, yeah

this and that, yeah, name calling extremist. they might not yet have though i think they will get a briefing about the facts of who mark robinson is. republicans put him at the top of the ticket. he is now the nominee to run the state. take a look at a little bit of him. >> there is no reason anybody anywhere in america should be telling any about homosexuality, any of the filth. >> he posted this foolishness about hitler disarming. >> makes me sick every time i see it, when i pass a church that flies that rainbow flag. >> i absolutely want to go back to the america where women couldn't vote. >> this is the serious set of statements. this is the position, likening of people to filth, embrace of aspects of holocaust denial as

a tool of anti-semitism and hate, dismissal of half of the population, women, having equal political rights which many women activists argue is of a piece with taking away their medical rights which is now happening. how important is it in your view as a journalist? we have all the debates about how you put it in context and how you explain. everyone makes up their own mind in their own vote. how important do you think is it in our society if you will this year and in north carolina for people to understand that this is not exaggeration. this is what he is running on? >> this is what he is running on. if you are the democratic party in north carolina, you just play those clips over and over again. you ask people is this the sort of person you want in the governor's mansion? is this the sort of person you want leading your state? the answer, i think, will be a

resounding no. in the last election, last mid-term, we went over the issue of candidate quality. that's kind of a nice neat neutral phrase to talk about. >> quality. >> to talk about what we just heard from the republican in north carolina. we just heard bigotry. we heard sort of hate and anger and massogeny, the whole gamut. i cannot imagine that the voters of north carolina want that, that they want that for the next four years. i have been wrong before. maybe i could be wrong. but that's hard for me to imagine.

just play those clips over and over again. >> gene robinson, we appreciate you. we say sometimes that when they say someone has a face for radio or whatever that expression, it's the opposite with you. you have a great trustworthy face for tv and then you have a voice that also would kill on radio or podcast. we love kicking off the show with you, sir. >> when you say stuff like that, i ain't mad atcha. >> respect. gene robinson with the tupac reference. thank you. we have the first black attorney general of the united states, the obama ag eric holder, back on the beat tonight. why would you think mere humans deserve to do their own payroll? because their livelihoods depend on it? because they have bills to pay? hear me now, paycom!

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let's start with what you are doing now and then we have some throw backs. >> okay. >> democracy, representation, and the sometimes boring sounding redistricting or

gerrymandering. of all the things we can do, we just showed some of the level, this is what you are focused on. why? >> one of the things i focused on when attorney general was protection of voting rights. i made determination in my post government life i wanted to continue that. i decided to look at that which was most in our country with regard to voting. i determined it was the problem of gerrymandering, packing of people into districts or cracking of people from districts such that you dilute the power of the american people and you have politicians picking their voters instead of voters choosing who representatives ought to be. >> the way you put it is how in culture and comedy, that's how trevor noah who is such a gifted communicator, he put it slightly similarly. take a look. >> with gerrymandering the politicians choose their voters. voters don't cosmetic them. that's weird. it's back to front, like getting to your uber and your driver is in the back seat and he is like

start driving, [bleep], i am late. >> that idea that this is backwards, have you been able to get that across to the public when there are so many other things people are concerned about? >> i think we have. we have raised consciousness about importance of gerrymandering. we have all on the line which is focused on mobilizing people at the grassroots level to care about this issue. we brought lawsuits we have won in state courts and united states supreme court. >> let me show you some of those. you are winning some of these. on the other it can feel like wack a mole. georgia, louisiana, georgia, kentucky, north carolina, a bunch of places this is constantly going on. is there any wider solution than the wack a mole? >> i think under the present system we have, it's going to be incumbent to continue to bring lawsuits. we are in an era of perpetual redistricting. it isn't an every ten year

basis. we are in the process of doing with a should be 2021 redistricting. we bring lawsuits. we also are supporting candidates important in the redistricting process. but there is a solution. that was the john lewis bill that was before the last congress that would have banned partisan and racial gerrymandering as a result of the filibuster however, it could not get through the senate but what had been passed by senate, president biden said he would have signed but we couldn't get a sufficient number of people, including democrats. >> what do you need? do you need a mass people's movement to get that to the level where there is enough pressure? they've done that for judges. other people think this is as important to the issues as judges are. is that what you need? what's the at alternative? >> i think the carve out would be the thing. before that, we have to continue to do the things we have done. we have to bring lawsuits who

will bring candidates who support fairness. >> you are at the summit of law. there are two summits. there is supreme court and being top attorney and law enforcement official of united states federal government. that's what you were. the big issues go to the supreme court. what do you see today in the summit of the supreme court? is it a bigger ethics problem? is it fixable. >> i think it has a legitimacy problem in the way it was constructed, things senate republicans did to hold open a state and then to rush through the nomination of another justice. also the way in which the court has ruled. the law is governed by a number of things, precedent being maybe chief among them. this court has when it wanted to ignored precedent, overturned decisions, the roe decision being maybe most prominent and taken away rights from the people of the united states which is a first. we are always trying to come up with ways in which we identify and grant rights to american citizens.

this court took a substantial right away from people of this country. >> before i let you go, a lightning round. everybody does this. worse thing about being attorney general is? >> irrational, stupid, idiotic, political opposition. >> the best thing? >> working with the people, working on the policies, having your own plane. >> what you would say to someone who is young and looks at the system and says i don't need to vote? >> people died so you would have the ability to vote. >> bill barr. >> a disaster, abomination, embarrassment. >> merrick garland. >> a good guy, good attorney general. >> president obama. >> the man. >> president biden. >> a good guy, good president. history will be kind to him but he has really difficult things to do in the next few years. >> president trump. >> a real danger to our

democracy, a person who can't become president again. >> final three. failure means? >> failure means potentially not reaching your objectives but failure also means that you can learn from that experience. >> success means? >> success means that you have reached an objective that you have set, but it can't give you too much comfort. >> reaching the summit means? >> getting to a place that you maybe only dreamed of and having gotten to the summit, you have done something positive with the power that the summit has given you. >> attorney general eric holder, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> that was eric holder reminding us at the end it's not just about getting to the top. if you get there, what do you do? that's why we have this series. thanks to the attorney general

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