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stooped to the lowest of lows with a violent video featuring an image of president biden hogtied on the tailgate, passing pickup truck.i know we are used to seeing the ex- president engage in horrific rhetoric and threats, but let's pause here for a moment and consider the circumstances. none of this is normal, nor should it be, especially for someone who could be voted into the white house for a second term. if any one of us were to post that same video depicting president biden on our social media accounts, you know what would happen. we would immediately have federal agents knocking on our door. this is the latest narrative with a larger tripped up's baseless attacks against his perceived enemies, dating back before he even entered political office, and it's only been getting worse. last year, he posted a photo holding a baseball bat next to manhattan d.a.

alvin bragg's head, which he deleted shortly thereafter, and which is on lawyer said was, quote, ill-advised. he has gone after judge tonya chuck can and special prosecutor jack smith, calling the prosecutor arranged and demanding that the judge recuse herself from the federal election interference case. county attorney, willis and attorney letitia james have also been targets of trump. this week, as judge juan merchan set a date in the new york as many case, you know what trump did? he ramped up his accusations against the judge and his daughter, specifically with a picture of her behind bars on the x account. however, that specific post doesn't belong to the judge "alex witt reports three's daughter, she deleted it about a year ago. the bottom line here, all gag orders have been put in place in some of the ongoing criminal cases, there has been no real accountability for the former president's words and actions. take, principal, comedian kathy

griffin who underwent federal interrogations -- yes, federal interrogations -- for 2 months and was almost charged with conspiracy to assassinate the then president after she posted what was really a photo of a mask that looked like trump with catchup on it back in 2017. in fact, i spoke about that with her earlier this month. take a listen.>> never has a median been harassed by the department of justice. two agencies within the department of justice, the u.s. attorney's office and the secret service, and actually, jason leopold filed a freedom of information act, and it showed how serious the oval office and the attorney general were about charging me with conspiracy to assassinate the president of the united states. >> just stop for a moment. could you imagine the firestorm trump and his allies would start if the department of justice were to actually come down on him with the same severity for posting that image of biden hogtied on the back of a pickup truck? look, as we know, and as the ex- president knows very well,

that's highly unlikely. msnbc columnist glenn kirsch reported this week, quote, many of our institutions of government seem to have decided that the rules , the laws and the constitutional laws apply differently to trump than they apply to the rest of us. that is obvious for anyone to see. what we already know, what trump is capable of, the worst might be yet to come if he regains control of the white house in november and has power to go with those words. donna me now to discuss this and more, former democratic are presented of maryland, don edwards, also msnbc analyst. david edwards, former prosecutor. great to have both of you with us. agha salman, i want to start with this new video trump posted. the spokesman for the biden campaign, michael tyler, told" the new york times," it's time people start taking the ex- president seriously and represents the capitol police officers who were attacked january 6th my question to you

is what is it going to take for people to actually start taking this guy seriously? it appears, at every turn, he is just allowed to do whatever you want and get away with it without any department. >> it does seem that the scales of justice are really imbalanced when it comes to donald trump. you know, there are things he has engaged in, for example, that for any other criminal defendant, would have landed them back in jail, in lockup with their bail revoked. it seems to me that people haven't decided yet -- our systems haven't decided -- how it is that you hold a former president accountable, because we have never been in this place before, but it's really clear that, for donald trump, there really is no end, there is no beyond. i think we will have to figure this out quickly, before his videos and posts or words that he use actually become actionable by people, as we saw

from january 6th, where people take his words and his actions seriously. so, kathy griffin, as we see, posted the pickup truck with joe biden, would have had the secret service visit her, but donald trump seem to get off the hook. >> that's the point i wanted to ask you about, that crux, david, the difference between the two. as a civil rights attorney, i want your thoughts on where that line is drawn between free- speech and violent and simon. i get that donald trump's history with attacking his political foes -- with this most recent post -- would see any kind of protection under his first amendment rights, especially given the fact that the target of that is also the president and the secret service has to respond to any threat that comes? i can't imagine that somebody of a secret service office sees that post from trump and says, hey, you are really make my life your little bit easier. in fact, you are making my life harder. >> i'm going to take a step back, because i wanted to say,

i find myself realizing, i find so many reasons to take offense to what we saw in the video. before even stop to think about the fact that he relates to a sitting president, images of people being tied up in the back of the pickup truck for people like me, from texas, people driving around, these big trucks, typically bring a specific hate crime to mind. for me, that's james byrd jr. a comes to mind we talk about it, because when i was in high school, he was drugged to death in the back of it pickup truck by a wiser premises. the people who do things like post images in the back of the pickup trucks, they know that, and they do it to incite fear into people. you are talking about somebody who is inciting this further by drawing attention to it by publicizing it. he is currently facing charges for inciting violence january 6th. got to make sure that we are thinking about it in that context before we even begin to comment on what it means legally, but here is what it all comes down to with the law. this is what makes former president trump dangerous. he understand how the law in this country actually works.

not how we like to think that it works. we like to think that the laws written down in a book.if you break the law, you enforce it based on the way it is written down on the book what normally happens is people get an impulse about whether or not something is right or wrong, how right or wrong it is, and does it warrant prosecution. when i consistently see is president donald trump has to poke the bear three, four, five, six, seven times before people think it wants prosecution. therefore, i don't expect to see it happen here. >> those are very profound words, i have to say, david. i really appreciate you framing it in that way, but they are very profound when you think about it, congresswoman, that trump my accountability. those who formed part of his inner circle, they might see it, but he certainly has been above the law for all this time. just this week, you have the judge ruled that john neasman, architect of trump's 2020 election plot, should be disbarred. again, it is hard to imagine easement might be disbarred, no accountability at for trump your thoughts on this strategy?

how is it that those around him are seeing a ability in trump, who is at the center of all this, the mastermind of all of this, is not lucky >> well, every single person who is at every part of the food chain below donald trump has been held to account. there are people who are ordinary citizens who showed up on january 6th, a statement with hundreds of them prosecuted. lawyers have been disbarred. lawyers that are being charged with right now. the problem is that, for donald trump, he recognizes, he fully recognizes, that people may be afraid. we have certainly seen members of congress who are afraid to say anything about donald trump's behavior or his words because they fear that they're going to be attacked, and we have seen ordinary citizens who have spoken out against donald trump who have been called out at his rallies and his speeches, but there hasn't been any real

accountability at. now, i admit, we have to wait for justice to play out, but at some point or other, his words are going to turn into deeds and actions, perhaps by others, and we can't allow it to go that far. >> david, you probably saw msnbc contributor glen carbon wrote about this, saying, quote, it is a dramatic and disturbing example of the evil application of our nation's laws in regards to the facts coming down hard on michael cohen. what you see for the reason for leniency when it comes to donald trump's criminal cases across the board, specifically as it relates to some of the issues or the alleged crimes that you can clearly see he masterminded? there would be no january 6th if donald trump was not instigating it. there would be no hush money payment if donald trump had not asked michael cohen to make the payment, to try to silence

stormy daniels. >> ayman, if my grandmother were alive and on this panel, she would say, baby, it's nothing new. wealthy people have always received different treatment in the criminal justice system. if i ever doubted this office when i was still a baby lawyer early in my career, i would presented the woman who is an evacuee of hurricane katrina, accused of abandoning her children because she left them in the shelter when they were designed to take care of her to go get pizza because they wouldn't eat the food they were serving. took her getaway, arrested her, walked away thinking, wealthy people face a different justice system now. with that in mind, former president trump is taking it to new heights, putting it on please display, just how bad it is. if you ask me what the primary problem is, primary problem is we treat people differently based on their means, only because it means allow you to afford a lawyer. if you can afford a lawyer to go the distance, you can get away with more than you think. that helps explain everything we have seen this week regarding the recent legal department.now, as i say all

that, what ties these cases together is for the law was designed to be used by people who look like bonnie willis against people who like former president trump. all these jokes you have been making about time people up and sticking them in the back of the truck, that is what george along was designed to do to you, and that was what happened to you down in georgia because you poked the bear in the wrong place down there. >> we will have to wait and see. david henderson, don edwards, thank you to both of you for starting us off with this all- star panel. greatly appreciate it. next up, mr. president, are you listening, demands from congress and the american appearing to go nowhere. joe biden has approved more deadly weapons to israel.

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the start of the israel/hamas war, after more than 32,000 palestinians have been killed, including 14,000 children according to the gaza ministry of health, and the same week that antiwar cease-fire protesters interrupted president biden's mega fundraiser with former presidents barack obama and bill clinton, the biden administration chose this political moment to authorize the transfer of billions of dollars in bonds and fighter jets to israel. after growing concerns that genocide is being committed after warnings that israel's forcibly starving palestinians after a growing rift within the democratic party overbite in's handling of the war, joe biden chose this moment to show that he is lock stock and barrel with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. this comes amid fresh concerns over israel's military and its anticipated offensive in the southern city of rafah, where more than 1.5 million palestinians have fled in recent months.

quote, without an insured safety and support plan for the citizens. here's is in the biden discussing whether president biden's invasion of rafah would cross a red line for the u.s. >> the defensive israel is so critical. no red line i wouldn't. i don't have the iron dome to protect them. >> for his part, netanyahu, promising to push ahead with the campaign, with the invasion, planning to do so with or without the support of the united states. after all, what incentive does israel have to change course when its closest ally, the most powerful country in the world, not only refuses to commit to a red line, but also continues to send billions in aid? since the war began, joe biden has implemented what some have dubbed, quote, a hug baby strategy, showing the leader and his others, public support unwavering, with the hopes that it can influence the prime

minister's conduct of the war in private. with that approach, so far, nothing short of a failure, and in addition to this seemingly imminent invasion of rafah against the united states' wishes, biden's support of israel has had disastrous regional ramifications. israel repeatedly attended to draw the u.s. into a confrontation with iran in its networks of potent groups like hezbollah and lebanon. tensions escalated for the wednesday after a series of is really airstrikes in southern lebanon killed 60 people in a barrage of rockets and fired by has blood killed 1 is really meant. marked the deadliest day on the israeli/lebanon border since the war began. friday, a strike in syria killed dozens of syrian soldiers, several members of hezbollah and civilians. a syrian state news agency

blamed israel for the attack, but the risk of conflict with these groups and possibly even with iran can spur a region- white catastrophe, running contrary to american's interest in the middle east and joe biden's objectives, specifically. here, at home, it appears biden's unwavering support of israel could also have disastrous domestic consequences for the president of the cleat a new poll released from gallup found that a majority of americans now disapprove of the israeli military action in gaza it is clear, at least according to the american people, that it is passed time for a fundamental reevaluation of the u.s./israel relationship. in a new piece reporting policy magazine, john pelphrey writes that israel is a strategic liability for the united states. quote, a special relationship with israel does virtually nothing for the united states while actively undermining u.s. strategic and often doing violence to the values washington claims to stand for. hoffman argues that it's time to, quote, normalize the united states' relationship with israel. as he points out, that doesn't mean make israel an enemy of the united states, but rather,

approaching israel the same way that we approach any other foreign nation. quote, no longer were decisions about military aid, arms sales, automatic cover be rooted in path dependency or muscle memory. rather, in officials' perception of the u.s. interest s estate. instead of enabling shielding and subsidizing israeli policy, the united states should reorient it the relationship with israel based on concrete u.s. interests. remember, the united states has the leverage here. no need to bend to israel's will at every turn. after all, the u.s. is a global superpower, at least maybe, it's i'm to start acting like one. i will speak with john hoffman, foreign policy analyst at the cato institute, next. boring does. great job astro-persons. over. boring is the jumping off point for all the un-boring things we do. boring makes vacations happen, early retirements possible, and startups start up.

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relationship is actively endangering u.s. interests across the globe. john hoffman, foreign policy analyst at the cato institute joins right now on concrete to have you here in person. walk us through this. how do we get to this point? we know the u.s. and israel have had a long-standing special relationship. you argue, it's time to move away from that. why? >> first, thank you for having me on. ayman, it is time to move away from the special relationship since , 1948, the united states has overtly deferred to israeli interests when engaging with israel in truly a unique manner that it is really not paralleled by any relationship with any other country in the world. i mentioned the $200 billion adjusted for inflation since world war ii. mentioned 3.8 billion in annual military aid to this day. as you mentioned earlier, the weapons package that biden just pushed through the other day, despite the horrific scenes we have seen the past five months.

i tried to bring this back to first-order assumptions and say, what is going on? what does the united states get out of this? this is undermining our interests in the values we claim to stand for. >> were you able to answer the question, what do we get out of this? >> no. many times when i presented with that question, or when i present that question to others, they say, intelligence cooperation. they say, so on and so forth. it is in israel's interest to cooperate with us on intelligence and things like that regarding the region. it doesn't require $3.8 billion or unwavering and unconditional support for the united states to advance its interests and beliefs. >> you, in your piece, compare the relationship between the u.s. and israel to the u.s. and other allies. you wrote michael, you know the u.s.'s relation with other allies like france and south korea future debates, disagreements and normal push and pull of diplomacy, by contrast, the special relationship with issue has fueled some of the worst actors

in israeli politics, encouraged ruinous policies, and generally done violence to the long-term interests of both countries. expand on that. how does the steadfast support come at the detriment of both the u.s. and israel? >> to the first end, regarding countries like france or south korea, any country that the united states engages with, there is a push and pull. there's a give and take, but when it comes to the u.s. relationship with israel, it is just give. there's no take here. what i mean by generally doing harm to the interests of both countries is its undermining lupus from our perspective -- our strategic interest and within at least undermining our strategic interest globally. people see this hypocrisy of the united states, you know, clamoring about what's happening in ukraine, then, you know, these resolutions passed at the un security council, and then biden stamps these weapons deals, potions off billions of dollars in more aid, but it also this i would argue -- does detriment to the interests of israel, because it insulates israel from the long-term

ramifications of its own policies and allows them to pursue actions that are unsustainable over the long term. >> let me ask you about why this is happening. right? joe biden says he is astutely aware politics in the united states. we talk about the polling and what has been changing, the gallop poll, majority of americans disapprove of american /israeli actions in gaza. why do you think this american president and, historically, all american presidents have been, on this issue, unresponsive to the will of the american public, certainly, in recent times? >> sure. i think there's a confluence of different matters here. first, israel's supporters have a very, very fast and influential system of lobbying and other forms of influence within washington, d.c., whether it be direct forms of contributions to political campaigns, whether it be indirect funding think tanks and things like that. israel

and other countries in the middle east have a vested interest in keeping the status quo going, keeping the checks rolling, and they play a very large presence within dc, but as you said, what biden is doing, particularly in the past 5 months, is a direct affront to the desires of the american people. like the gallop poll showed, the majority of americans disapprove of military actions of israel. the majority of actions want a cease-fire. not only is biden directly undermining the bands of the american people, but he is also undermining us as a country across the globe. >> let me ask you the counterpoint to those who say that israel deserves a special relationship because it is surrounded by hostile enemies, including hezbollah, hamas, the syrian government and iranians, the with thes now, and without this kind of unwavering american support, these enemies

could see an opportunity to go after israel in a way that had never been seen before? >> that is typically the argument that is made against arguments that i'm making here, the peace, and what answer to that, israel maintains a military and technological superiority over any country in the middle east. it has 90 nuclear warheads. nobody is about to push israel into the sea. if they were, this would be a different conversation. the threats that israel does face from groups such as hamas or hezbollah and so on and so forth are not existential to israel and do not require this level of american unwavering and of's national support. arguably, the threats that they do face of this in the form of armed resistance from groups such as hamas, hezbollah, so on and so forth, is exacerbated by israel's and america's overly militarized approach. >> john hoppen, greatly

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this is mexican side of the american border, increasingly becoming targets for the cartels and victims of sexual violence. from october to december of last year, doctors without borders recorded a 70% increase in consultations for sexual violence in the mexican border towns of those compared to the previous three months. msnbc completed with paula ramos. before we show this, we must warn you, for obvious reasons, this is difficult to watch. >> [ speaking in a global language ]

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[ speaking in a global language ] >> paolo ramos joins us now. that is just a gut-punch to hear that. you kind of know that it is happening, but when you hear people talk about it, it is more painful. >> that is the thing. right? we have been talking about the border for so many years at this point. we have been talking about policies, but we forget about what we're talking about. >> the way this conversation in the country has been, it is about masses, about numbers, it is about policy, but then you hear it and see that it is real people. >> it is real people. yeah, what she told me, her name is maria, she told me it is the same thing that occurred for so many other migrant women. i heard at least 45 times. everyone is pointing to this specific cartel. whatever one is saying is that this cartel, essentially control the northern part of the state, the most dangerous state in mexico, right in front of brownsville, run the bridge we are seeing.

that specific cartel is, essentially, doing the same thing every day. they're intercepting buses carrying migrants going towards the u.s./mexico border, going inside the buses, kidnapping all the migrants they see, holding them hostage. the new thing is they're starting to weapon his sexual violence. a woman i talked to was held for one-week. i talked to another woman held for over a month. it all points to this same idea, which is they're leveraging the long waiting times migrants have to wait at the mexican side of the border before they are able to step into the united states. >> speaking of that law, but i was going to ask about, as before, this is the new texas law that would allow judges to deport migrants to mexico. obviously, it would exacerbate this specific problem. is there concern that, if sb-4 is implanted in migrants are deported back to the mexican side of the border, we're going to see even more cases? >> we will be seeing so much more. at the end of the day, the only

people that truly benefit from this are the mexican cartels. the longer that migrants are stuck on the other side of the border, the more cartels profit i have been seeing this at least since 2010, during remain in mexico policy under trump. at the four, cartels were targeting cuban migrants because they had more cash. the same thing with title 42 in the pandemic, cartel were not just targeting humans, but venezuelans, haitians, lgbtq migrants. now, we are seeing they're going after everybody. everyone is truly being kidnapped her now, they don't just pay cash, they're also being with their bodies. >> the immediate question that comes to mind before i talk with the intersection of any of this and abortion rights is where is the mexican government in all of this? why is the mexican government unable to get to this part of mexico and really try to confront, in any way they can, the cartel? >> that is a good question. i think the problem is that there's many different actors involved. you had them and you can

government with this huge, long battle against the mexican cartels, you have the newly formed mexican national, essentially the cbp, try to control, but then you also have the american immigration policy. they are also expelling migrants. so, the people that are filling the void are the ngo's. it's doctors without borders. it's the small ngo's, the ones actually dealing with the consequences of this. that is a great question. >> there's this intersection alabi, as we were talking about the issue of reproductive rights. certainly, access to abortion for women like maria being -- in situations like this. talk to us a little about we are seeing with women being -- and impregnated as a result of these violent -- having access to repetitive rights? >> just the first two months of 2024, doctors without borders recorded at least 70 cases of sexual violence against migrants. so, what that means is that there is a growing number of migrant women that are stepping into post-rural america, parts of texas, with repeated pregnancies.

i asked a lot of migrants, do you have any awareness of these strict antiabortion laws taking place in texas, they had absolutely no idea. i spoke to one of the migrants in texas, and she found out she was pregnant 10 weeks after, and from the conversation, you quickly understand that this perception that she has of the united states, this american dream, of course, a perception that impulses so many of these -- >> it pulls people. >> it pulls people. that perception was so quickly detached from reality, quickly crushed, the moment she understood she couldn't even access abortion bills and taxes. right? was such a shock, but that's a longer story. but through her story, you understand, at the end of the day, it will take matters into their own hands. you can drag people as much as you want and customer policies. she still was able to get a self-managed abortion. >> this is a very broad question. when you speak to the experts, when you speak to the doctors without borders and others doing the work on the ground and others who try this, what do they say is the short-term

solution to avoid these types of -- and the second violence we are seeing on the mexican side? obviously, they're not going to get to the american side with this current congress and the kind of disruption, do we have in our political system. >> some people even use the word death penalty. right? them staying on the mexican side of the border is a death penalty. so, the quick short-term solution is exactly what no one is discussing on the american side of the border, which is how we process them, a humane manner, and in a quick manner. right? but that is essentially what they said, we can be here if they are here. >> really quickly, you know immigration occupied such a large space in our political discourse. does it occupy the same type of space in the discourse for mexican politics? is it as divisive there as it is in this country? >> absolutely. elections are the first week of june. it is the presidential

elections. this is also on the top issues. right? at the end of the day, it is mexico who has to deal with the consequences of america's failed immigration policies and our broken asylum seeking process. mexico has to deal with it. they had a really good job at managing as many asylum-seekers as they can, but have also said, repeatedly, they said can't. 100%, it is a top issue there. >> paula ramos, thank you so much for the excellent reporting but always appreciate it. >> thank you.appreciate it. next, three very powerful women working to protect the productive axis in their states. going to do about that. we are going to ask the attorneys general of massachusetts, arizona and delaware right after the break. ask your doctor if you can do more than just slowing down bone loss with evenity®. want stronger bones? then build new bone; evenity® can help in just 12 months. evenity® is proven to reduce spine fracture risk by 73%. evenity® can increase risk of heart attack, stroke, or death from a cardiovascular problem.

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in case you haven't noticed, there's been a very coordinated nationwide effort to roll back women's rights, especially to extreme abortion hands. new york state attorney general, letitia james in california, attorney general, rob fonda, have filed an amicus brief with the supreme court on behalf of 24 attorneys general across the country, with the goal of safeguarding emergency access to reproductive care in idaho. the nation's highest court is not only weighing idaho's near- total it portion bat, also about to decide the fate of the most commonly prescribed abortion pill, mifepristone. as women's history month comes to a close, we have gathered a panel of state leaders across the country centering reproductive justice and seeking to make abortion care more accessible. joining me now, attorney general andrew m massachusetts, attorney general, chris mays of arizona, and attorney general's office attorney general -- kathy jennings of the leopard

attorneys generals, great to have all three of you with us. attorney general campbell, starting with you. you fought to protect access to medication abortion, as have others. there's been a lot of attention on that particular issue at the supreme court and beyond. talk about the importance of ensuring consistent axis to medication abortion right now and the impact on people seeking abortions if that option is not available. >> obviously, there's a right- wing conspiracy to ultimately limit folks' access to an abortion. we know that medicaid and abortion, right now, is proved to be effective, it is safe, and many folks, of course, turning to it in many states to be able to access abortion. sometimes, in the face of some serious health considerations for the mother and the birthing parent in massachusetts, of course, in terms of access, in massachusetts, we have the right to access an abortion is codified here. we're doing everything we can to protect the access to the full reproductive care for everyone.

it is critical we all pay attention to this issue, of course, including what happens at the supreme court. >> attorney general mays, we knew abortion would be the first step into an expansion to other aspects of reproductive rights. you are the first of to be attorney general in arizona. your old daughter was born through ivf. these are issues of access that we have been talking about for months. certainly, one that is personal to you, in arizona, with a 50- week abortion ban in place. it does not have exceptions for -- and incest. what are the biggest challenges for arizonans living under this ban right now, and what are you doing to support them? >> that's right, in arizona, we are living under this 15-week abortion ban, no exceptions for -- or incest, but what is worse than that is that the extreme right wing -- in my state -- is trying to actually reimpose an 1864 total ban on abortion,

which was passed when -- win- win -- arizona was not a state, women couldn't vote, and the civil war was still raging. and so, i said, the best players in the state of arizona were sent to the arizona supreme court to fight back against the total ban. even the 15-week ban is problematic, because it, essentially, is telling doctors and women what they can and can't do with their own bodies, their own reproductive choices, beyond 15 weeks, and is causing confusion. it's very difficult for arizonans to navigate, and ultimate, what i think is going to happen here, and in many states, arizonans are going to take this into their own hands. we were going to pass a ballot initiative that enshrines abortion rights in our constitution. >> attorney general jennings, you have also been very involved in ensuring people

have access to what is dumped, sometimes, or sometimes called, reproductive justice resources after roe was overturned in 2022. you establish the attorney general's abortion legal helpline with free and confidential legal advice. what kind of questions have you fielded for people in delaware, what is is, people most often want more information about? >> delaware is a very safe state for abortion rights, long before the dobbs decision when the codified roe v. wade. we have added additional protections, and unlike my colleague, chris mays, going through a really difficult battle in arizona with the criminalization of abortion, decades and decades in the past, we were able to decriminalize the crime of abortion. having said that, even in our small state of delaware, we knew that we needed to do

more, so we set up an abortion fund that would help women to pay the costs of coming to the state, receive an abortion when they were coming from states that didn't allow it. we have also set up a 24/7 helpline for anyone to call in and say what services can we get in delaware, and are we protected. we are protected but women and providers, from being excited to states that outlawed the abortion, and who would seek to prosecute those people, but we all have to keep doing more. this recent supreme court case on mifepristone is an example of that. i believe that the supreme court in the argument will likely rule that the plaintiffs don't have standing to bring this case, but i also heard, loudly and clear, two justices, justice thomas and alito,

saying, what about the cost? >> right. i was agreeing with you, it was a moment that i remembered and listening to the audio as well, talk about the comstock >> exactly. that act was passed in the 1800s, long before women even have the right to vote in this country, and it provides that you can't engage in the interstate check petitioner products that could be used in an abortion. so, we're going to be fighting this battle each and every day, and as attorneys general, we're on the front lines of the battle, and we're prepared to keep going with this fight, but we need to make sure that democrats get elected, to make sure that reproductive freedom is safe, even in our states. >> attorney general, campbell,

your workaround depending reproductive rights also involves expanding access to other healthcare services. you also have a reproductive justice unit in massachusetts, and it addresses issues including gender affirming care, which may not be something that comes to the front of people's minds when they are talking about repetitive rights.why is it important to consider gender affirming care when we are talking about reproductive rights, and what kind of access issues are you seeing in your state? >> i appreciate your intentionality and framing it as these issues are intersectional. so, massachusetts, thanks folks took for granted that we have codified a right to an abortion, and, to be honest, don't necessarily have anything to do here. the fact is that we still, in massachusetts, have pockets of the state where there are gaps in terms of access to care, when it comes to return to mental health issues, black maternal health rates in some of the best hospitals in the world, black people and black birthing people still two times more likely to die while giving birth. of course, gender affirming care is under attack

nationally, even may be pockets of massachusetts where you have more of a concern. reproductive justice unit, which we started when i took office last year, has been critical and essential to making sure, as we are talking about these issues, it is not just about an axis to an abortion. it is really bountiful stretch of reproductive health care. it is about information. so actually my colleague, he jennings from delaware. a hotline has been proven to be very useful as the landscape is changing and folks get information in real time. of course, all of us are working together to make sure we do everything in our power to elect biden and harris, because we need partners at the federal level to help us do the works within our respective states to protect reproductive rights. >> to that point, attorney general mays, which we can folks organize and what is the federal government do to help you with expanding reproductive rights in a state like arizona

that missing the roll back of these rights? >> as my colleague from massachusetts just mentioned, we absolutely have to get president biden reelected, because one of my fears is, despite the fact that republicans said they wanted to send this back to states for state to decide, i think there's a real movement in the sort of extreme elements of the republican party to try to pass a national ban on abortion, and i think that that is exactly what will happen if former president trump is elected. if congress is given an opportunity, we are going to continue to protect abortion access in the states and fight for abortion access in states like mine that don't have full access, you know, but i think

there are rumblings on the horizon that much worse could come if we don't focus on that. >> that's something president biden promised to fight for if he is reelected for four more years. attorneys general, thank you so much. i could take an hour speaking to all of you about this important topic. i appreciate it. quick break, another hour of "ayman" after. ♪ or dolling herself up to go ♪ i ♪ with doctors to nurses ♪ ♪ and all the people in between ♪ ♪ healthier happens in more ways ♪ ♪ than ray's ever seen. ♪ ♪ healthier happens together. ♪ okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) okay y'all we got ten orders coming in... big orders!

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