the one he left behind more than two decades ago. in the end, the former police commissioner said that has a lot to do with what happened on that subway platform. >> i truly believe that the death of that young man was a propelling catalyst for the new york miracle that we experienced. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i am andrea cannon. thank you for watching. watchin hello. welcome to morning joe weekend. let's kick off the hour with one of the week's most

important conversations. >> embracing donald trump's big lie appears to be a requirement for anybody that wants to work at the rnc. "the washington post" reports those seeking employment at the organization after a trump backed purge this month have been asked in job interviews if they believe the 2020 election was stolen. according to the paper, trump advisers in recent days asked key employees that are reapplying for jobs. the questions about the 2020 election were open ended to people familiar with the questioning said. but as one former rnc employee asked, if you say the election wasn't stolen, do you really think you will get hired. an rnc defended the questioning as candidates being asked about their work experience. we want experienced staff with

meaningful views on how elections are won and lost and real experienced based opinions about what happens in the trenches. oh, this is so unfortunately rich. >> it really is. and if you look, michael steel, in the wall street journey, mcdaniel shows the peril of election deny alism. you can try to play for the cheap sheets but the reporters at the "wall street journal" wrote the story. election denialism lost in 2020, 2022, lost in 2023 and it will lose in 2024. it's such a loser, michael and still they cling to it.

if you have an rnc backed with election deny years, people bending reality, they are in that bubble that we were talking about earlier that mitt romney's campaign was in when all they did was watch fox news and thought they would win in a landslide. >> yeah. it's the prerequisite. that is part of the purge in the first place. the idea, i talked to a few people that were in the mix of that. and the reality of it was they want people absolutely are thinking and view 2020 in a particular way. so, you get everybody out, you get people back in who are all about the same mission. that is election denialism and being a bunker for the november elections. this is an extension and part of what you see grown out of the heritage 2025 plan in which

they are looking to remake the federal government with people that are election deniers. like the people at the golf courses patting donald trump politely and handing him trophies because he wants them. the trophies are for people to acknowledge his worldview that the election was stolen. that is the first prerequisite. once you step into that, once you get into that ooze you are covered. the rest of it doesn't matter. everything else will flow from that moment. so, yeah, it's not surprising. the rnc -- the fact that lara trump is the co-chair and fox are doing interviews with the co-chair -- the co-chair is not the chairman. you wouldn't know that from the way this is being played out. this is all part of the trump

part of the party. they are locked down on that leadership. that is purging out the folks who do the grass roots work, who know -- all the nonsense of people have experience about -- experience, you are hiring people who are not experienced. how do you fire people that set up an operation then bring in people with no clue how the operation was set up to run it. it will be a hot mess. the message is about getting trump his bibles and his shoes and pushing out the brand in order to collect the cash to pay for his bills. that's it. >> donald trump does have his daughter-in-law, lara trump as the co-chair of the rnc. she was interviewed. despite donald trump talking about a rigged election in 2020 if that is the rnc's position as well. >> is it going to be the position of the rnc in 2024

that the 2020 election was not fairly decided or that it was stolen somehow? >> well, i think we are past that. that is in the past. we took a lot of notes. we have 23 states that have 78 lawsuits in these states to ensure that it is harder to cheat and easier to vote. >> so, adrian, she is saying we are past that but we want to make sure it's harder to cheat. no cheating in 2020. >> zero. >> we went through the 65 court cases, the supreme court, the members of his administration, all the testimony before the january 6th committee. we can go through that again. there was no cheating, the election was not riding, joe biden is the president of the united states yet she says we are past it but here is a wink to it. >> absolutely. she knew what she was saying in that moment and how it would carry on as we talk about the interview. i worked at party committees before, the democratic congressional campaign committee, i work with the dnc on and off the past seven,

eight years. fact that you have a litmus test like this as a staffer, it will make it that much harder to get qualified staff nears those jobs. you are being honest with yourself, he worked on campaigns, the experience that you need whether it's digital communication, whatever that experience is to work at the rnc, you won't get qualified people in these jobs unless they are lying and say i worked -- maybe i have 10, 20 years working on elections and i think the election in 2020 was riding. they would likely be lying. when you look back and chairman steele has perspective, when you look at the experienced staffers that you need at the rnc, you need people doing this for 20, 25 years before all the trumpism and magaism and all this came into play. they are doing themselves -- what do i care, it's the rnc, they are doing themselves a disservice. >> not just the litmus test but

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terminate the pregnancy. all three doctors said this is absolutely what you need to do. your health is at risk because these babies often don't survive too birth and can die in utero. but this isn't just my story. this is our story. it's the story of thousands of women ever year that must grabble with nonviable pregnancies and potentially fatal complications. it's the story of tens of thousands of families that cannot afford to travel hundreds of miles to get the care they need. it's the story of millions of women that live in places where maga extremists are devising cruel ways to further erode our most basic freedoms. these men do not understand or care about women's health. but i do. >> wow. that was newly sworn in now alabama state representative

marilyn lands telling her heart- breaking abortion story. lands flipped alabama's 10th district for democrats this week running on a platform of repealing her state's restrictive abortion law and protecting access to ivf. she joins us now. i will bring in for this interview nbc news political analyst, former senator claire mccaskill with us for this conversation. so, congratulations on your race. a lot of people are looking at the results in your race as an indication as to what is to come for republicans given their very extreme views on women's health care and being the why in what drew people to the polls to vote for you. do you agree with that in terms of the outcome? >> absolutely. and one of the things that we saw and observed at the

precincts that day was more women were voting than normal. so, i think we really -- our message resonated with voters. they were motivated to come out and vote in the special election which has notoriously low turnout rates. we did better than we expected. >> did you get feedback personally, anectdotally on a level for sharing your story, such a deeply personal and devastating story? >> and because of it, i heard so many other stories. i was really blown away by the amount of women and families that shared their stories of heartbreak and struggles. >> claire? >> first of all, congratulations and having served in a state legislature i know that you have challenges ahead, especially in one that is as dominated as alabama's by people whose views are much

different than yours. let me ask you this question. do you think the majority of alabamans believe the state has gone too far regardless of how they feel whether abortion is a legal choice. do you think the ivf decision made a difference in how people viewed your particular election? >> i do. and i especially think it resonated well in this district up here in north alabama which tends to be a little different than the rest of the state. but i wouldn't be surprised that it resonates in other parts of the state and the south. >> have you reached out to your republican colleagues yet because -- knowing what you are walking in to, you will not be able to accomplish anything if you do not try to work across the aisle and find some like minded people that are willing to pull back on the extreme

position that alabama has taken? >> absolutely. i have reached out to the local madison county delegation. i heard from many of the other members and i plan to be a bridge builder. i have a collaborative leadership style. i plan to seek first to understand if we are being understood and my approach is about relationship building. >> i love it. so, if you could help me with your next campaign, finish this sentence for me, marilyn lands flipped district 10 because -- >> because she wanted something different and knew that the people of alabama want something different, too. we are tired of politics as usual. we want to move forward. >> alabama state representative marilyn lands, thank you very

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help solve their major differences under law. when the students get too cynical, i say look what happens in countries that don't do that. people have come to accept this constitution and they have come to accept the importance of a rule of law. >> that was former u.s. supreme court justice stephen breyer on the importance of the rule of law. justice breyer, nominated to the court by president clinton in 1994 served on the bench for 28 years before stepping down in 2022. he is out now with a new book entitled reading the constitution. why i chose pragmatism not text few alism. and now stephen breyer joins us now on morning joe. good to have you, sir. >> justice breyer. thank you for being here. tell us why this book is so

important at this moment in u.s. history. >> it's important because many americans are discussing the court, some approve it, many do not approve what it has been doing recently then they have reasons as to why they think it's doing what they don't like. one of them is they think it's politics. and i don't think it is. i think it plays a minor role in politics, at least politics as ordinarilily understood. others think they like to do it this way or that way. that is not a good explanation. in 40 years on the bench which i had, 28 on the supreme court, i have gotten more or less used to the basic job, take words in a statute or the constitution, words typically that don't explain themselves and decide how they apply in the case or what they mean. now, i think the thing that has changed over the last decade, the last few years, is a method

of deciding that has become very popular. and that is called text few alism. all you do is read the words. read the words and do what they say. this will be simple, clear and stop judges from deciding what they think is good instead of the law, all right. many believe that. i do not. there is another more traditional way of looking at those words and that is someone wrote them. what was their purpose. what are their consequences. how do they fit within the values that under lie this document, i still have it, the constitution of the united states. and will they last, these interpretations to the point where they make the lives of people in the united states better. that's what i call pragmatism.

it's more complex than that. i want to explain to people what i have seen, not as a professor, not as a theory. most professors do know those theories. i have experience that they have not had and that is the experience i want to write from. i want to tell you about this case, that case, the other case and why that fits in to a pattern and why i think, rather than just blaming politics, lawyers and nonlawyers, people in the united states and others, should wake up in my view to what is going on with what sounds awfully academic and it isn't because it determines how those cases will come out and affect men and women in america. >> you know, it's such an extraordinarily important book right now, especially as you said, for people -- for

americans that look at court decisions and say, well, it's just political. you can look at the makeup of any court and you can look at -- i am not shocked by dobbs because of what clarence thomas, because of what kavanaugh, justice kavanaugh, what they said throughout most of their lives. i think it brings up an important point. if we are going to have this debate and understand what really moves it, yes, sometimes politics enters into the hearts and mind of men. but this is the battle to win, isn't it? >> yes. >> it is the intellectual battle that has to be won. >> it is a battle to win. it's not that the judges you name or other judges are just sitting there thinking oh, well i have a different point of view. if we are interested in my

opinion of running, not running the risk of certain dangers to the republic that the founders set up, we don't want to run those risks. therefore, i think the path, which not too many people outside the judiciary will see but i see it and want to explain it, the path called textualism is something to be avoided. i read an opinion where it was 63 pages long sent 30 pages each side and you know what it was about? about what the word and meant. yeah. and there are others like that. and if you think they are simple -- if you think the cases in the supreme court and the language or simple so you can just read them and see what they mean, i have a bridge in new york to sell you. >> justice, you are arguing for magnetism in law and reading of the law.

on the court, you were surrounded by a lot of justices that were strong originalists. how did you balance it? >> a good question. it's a question that justice say lit say lit to and i would debate students at lubbock, texas, must have been a thousand students. must have been a basketball game. we spoke about it. and because he very much is a textualist to follow the words and no more. i would say to him, life changes. and the values that are in the constitution, they have to be adapted. so, i said -- he is very intelligent and very funny and amusing guy. i said george washington didn't

know about the internet. and he said i knew that. but the problem between your system -- it's like the two campers. who are the two campers? he said one sees the other putting on running shoes. boy, there is a bear in the camp. a bear in the camp. you can't outrun a bear. yes, but i can outrun you. that's what he says. he says, stephen, you have a system and you draw on a system -- because the system has been around since john marshall, the founders, i didn't make it up. but he says it's too complicated. you are the only one that can work it. i say i don't think that is so but if it were so you have a system that will produce a constitution and a set of laws that no one will want. >> justice breyer, as you know,

this country is on the edge of something historic happening in the court. and a lot of people don't pay attention to the court everyday. a lot of people of influence do. there is an element called pace of play that i would use that phrase to describe what might be going on at the court. we had nixon and the watergate papers. wedbush-gore. those decisions came down from the court fairly rapidly in terms of the court's usual pace. but now the court seems to be slowing down things, slowing down things and slowing down things. is there any rational explanation for the amount of time being taken to make these decisions? >> well, i don't have that experience that you described. i mean, in the 28 years, it's much more mechanical in the sense of taking cases or not than you have just described. my experience is when a case is ready, it comes there.

why do we take a case.? we take a case because, normally, different judges, lower court judges in different places have come to different conclusions about the same question of federal law. i can give you an example of a federal question that could be -- do you want an example? >> yeah. >> i won't give an american example. i will give a french example. i read it in a french newspaper. i'm teaching to fifth grade, look at this example. a biology professor is traveling to paris to meet his class with a basket. in the basket are 20 live snails. the conductor comes up, what is in the basket. he shows him. do you have a ticket for the snails? i need a ticket for the snails? that's ridiculous. read the fair book. no animals on the train except

in a basket. if so, have fair. >> isn't that applying to cats, dogs, a rap bit, not a snail. you think a mosquito. >> is a snail an animal? and i put to the fifth grade class, what do you think, do they have to pay the fair or not. before you know it, they are fighting with each other like mad. what about a scorpion, what about -- is it an animal? now i say you understand the job of the appellate judge. it might not be a snail. it could be bear arms but that's the job. and the question is how you carry it out. when mechanically the rules of procedure, when that case is before us and we decide to take it, four vets will take it, they then start to write brief. who? the parties, the government,

the friends of this party or that party and they are called briefs. little documents. do you know why they are called briefs? >> because they are not. >> that's right. the least brief thing i have seen. we read them. then we have an oral argument then we go into the conference and discuss it. nobody else is there. people say what they think. and don't say as you have learned i have a better argument than you. that will get you nowhere. listen. that's what senator kennedy told me and the other staff members when i worked there in the senate. listen to what people who disagree with you say. and when you listen and discuss you sometimes find agreement, some agreement. we can work with that. and we will work with it and try to come closer to an agreement or compromise and then we go out and the chief assigns and we write an opinion and we circulate it when it's ready and people can add if

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jesus christ inspires us to love one another. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> why do i have to ask for forgiveness if you are not making mistakes. >> scripture teaches us the lord is close to the broken hearted. >> you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crab out of them. >> i cherish women and i will be great on women's health issues. >> with when you are a star you can do it. grab them by the [ bleep ]. my favorite book is the bible. second is hart of the deal. not close. >> you can get the baby out of here. >> 2 corinthians, 3:17. that's the whole ball game. >> you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ] do anything. that's what you said. >> historically that is true with stars. not always but largely true,

unfortunately or fortunately. >> donald trump preaching christian values while reading from a teleprompter but straying far from the words of jesus when going off script. as his legal bills pile up, the presumptive 2024 republican nominee is turning to religion ones again. in a social media post yesterday, he announced he is hawking his own version of the bible combined with other papers he claims to have read. take a look. >> i am proud to be partnering with my good friend lee greenwood who doesn't love his song god bless the usa in connection with promoting the god bless the usa bible. this bible is the king james version and includes our founding father documents, yes, the constitution, which i am fighting for every single day. christians are under siege.

we must protect content that is pro god. we love god. i'm proud to endorse and encourage you to get this bible. we must make america pray again. i think you all should get a copy of god bless the usa bible now and help spread our christian values with others. >> so, if you didn't think he was culty or cult-like or a cult, then what about now? he is selling bibles and the money? what will it be used for? trump's version of the good book is selling for $60 before shipping. this, of course, follows his other business ventures such as trump steaks, trump water, trump university, now defunct. last month he unveiled trump branded sneakers going for $400 a pair. in december, he even started selling pieces of the suit he was wearing when he got

indicted last summer. not culty at all. the trump bible website states that none of the profits will go toward his 2024 campaign. there is no mention, however, about whether the money will go toward his mounting legal fees. joining us now we have nbc news national affairs analyst john hill man and david french. take it away. he is digging into his christian connections there. i wonder what far right christians think about this. will they buy the bible? >> well, i will let david french who has greater insight into the e-commerce habits of conservative christians than i do and i say that with respect,

whether they will buy it or not, mika, to your point about cull at culltiness. he has a section for his literature. if joe were on, he would mention min come that he had on his bedside table. you may remember in 2016 trump just talking about how the bible was his second favorite book after the art of the deal. we asked him at one point to name a bible verse and he couldn't come up with one. i said are you an old testament guy or new test too many and after thinking about it a minute he said probably equal which to me said i have no idea

what the difference is between the old testament and new tempt. i never cracked a bible in my life. will people buy them? not much interest in the trump sneakers when he tried to go down the path to the stock x goat community there. but maybe this will be different. i enjoy the bible. it's a great book but i haven't bought one in a while. they are wildly available in a lot of other forums. french may have a better sense of whether there is a marked for this than i do. >> david, i want to address the cult versus grift. this is grifty. if you listen to the three minute sales pitch and i do wonder how conservative christians can look in the mirror and support this man, no less buy this bible. and if you listen to it, he

takes everything that he did wrong to america and holds it against america to sell the bible. and, so me, i have a lot of other things i can sell you if you fall for that, yet i think a lot of conservative christians are still falling for trump's grift and that feels like a cult. >> they are falling for the grift. there will be -- we don't know how many christians will fall for this but it tells you what trump thinks about his christian audience that they would look at this and think, yeah, that's exactly what i want out of christianity, a country music branded bible with the america's founding documents in it. there is a debate over christian nationalism and what is christian nationalism. a good start at defining christian nationalism is when

you put america's documents in the bible. that is a good start on beginning to understand what it is. the real concern i have is not so much trump's behavior. he has no bottom. he will do anything for a buck. my concern have we become -- has a significant part of the christian community become this gullable, this committed to him. i'm afraid the answer is probably yes. i hope the sales pitch flops. i'm afraid enough people will believe this is the kind of thing that they want in their home that they will go buy it. >> yeah, david, $60. you can get a bible anywhere you like for a lot less than that. we know that. but, david, it has to be said again. what he is doing right here, which is going to pay his legal fees. he is not doing this out of the generosity of his heart. legal fees in a case where he is alleged to have paid off a porn star in the days and weeks before the 2016 election after he allegedly had an affair with

her while his wife was home with the newborn baby. let's put that in the hopper for a minute and think what that means. but you have been writing and thinking about this question for almost a decade now since donald trump came on the scene why it is that evangelicals rallied around him despite the deficiencies in his character and things they would never let their children do or say and in ways that they would never behave but it looks like again in this election ahead of us that they will rally behind him, does it not? >> absolutely does. all the polling indicates they will. if we look at the primary, he did better with evangelicals than nikki haley by substantial amount. what a product like this tells us and pitching a product like this tells us, it gives the lie to this notion that lots of evangelicals are choosing him as the lesser of two evils. you don't buy $60 bibles from the less of of two evils. you buy $60 bibles from someone

you admire, want to emulate. this is not just that he is the lesser of two evil choice to christians. he has become a model. you see it down the line in republican politics. christian politicians are imitating donald trump. they are not changing trump. trump is changing them. this is the latest example of how he is warping and twisting american christianity. i'm surprised he didn't blame the $60 bible price on joe biden's inflation. is the mental illness epidemic that we are living with, connected to post rewiring of brains. th, connect rewiring of brains. >> tech: cracked windshield? schedule with safelite, and we'll come to you to fix it. >> tech vo: this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way. and she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive.

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on the current mental health crisis facing youth in our country and what we can do about it. in the anxious generation, author jonathan ha idt spells out how again ads those born after 1995 were the first to be bombarded by the use of social media staring them in the face 24-7 through their smartphones. the toll this way of life has taken on their well-being has been devastating. a new study by the kaiser family foundation reveals one in five adolescents report experiencing symptoms of anxiety or depression. he argues there are ways to fix this. and he joins us now. this is such an important book. thank you for writing it. i have kids in this category and i see through the eyes of

them and many of their friends and joe's kids exactly what you are saying. i would like to add school shootings to this, which has become a way of life now for young children. i wonder if that also you agree plays a role in this generation of anxiety? >> well, thanks so much for having me on. it's a big mystery because it's hitting all of us and everyone has a theory about what causes it and fear of school shootings is one that i hear a lot. the new town shooting was 2012 but that doesn't explain why the exact same thing happened, a complete collapse of mental health hitting girls, special young girls in canada, uk, australia, new zealand it starts around 2013 not because of school shootings. when this first broke out we weren't sure. now that we know it's international, there is only

one neri that other than the fact in 2010 the majority of friends had a flip phone, no high speed internet, no unlimited data, no instagram. by 2015, smartphone, high speed internet, front facing camera. childhood was rewired in those five years. >> also parents, teachers, communities lost control of the narrative of what children are exposed to when. so, if you can imagine, young kids with phones, with the internet exposing them to all sorts of things that were definitely not, you know a tap away before that. and that would include porn. >> that's right. >> and hate and also a sense of inclusion or exclusion. they knew where everybody was.

the communication and the exposure would go all night long. i mean, it seems obvious and at the same time, jonathan, it doesn't really feel like anything is being done about it collectively. i will read about a school system or community that is trying to ban smartphones in schools. that's not going to solve the problem? >> actually, that would make an enormous difference. >> it would start but then they pick the phones up after school. >> okay. mika, what i hear from you is what i hear from most parents and teachers which is it's a hell of a problem, it's ruining everything, we are losing control but what are you going to do? the problem is too big. we will never solve it. that is resignation. but what i argue in the book, we are stuck because it's a series of collective action problems. that is, why do you feel you have to give your kid a smartphone in fifth or sixth grade? because everybody else did. why instagram in 7th grade

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important conversations we had this past week. >> this election really feels like the most important election of our lives. when it comes to rights and freedoms of the heart and soul and the future of our country. first question are you, president biden, how would you describe what is at stake? >> i think our democracy is at stake. not a joke. i think our democracy is that fake. i wasn't going to run in 2020 because i had just lost my son. until i watched what happened down in virginia when those folks came out of the fields carrying torches and accompanied by white supremacist. and a woman was killed, a bystander. when the former president was asked, he said there are very fine people on both sides. things are changing. this guy denies there is global warming. this guy wants to get rid of

not only roby wade, but he brags about getting rid of the ability of anyone anywhere in america to ever choose. all of the things you're doing is so old. speaking of old. you know, a little old and out of shape, anyway. >> let's bring international affairs analyst john hyland. host of msnbc's politics nation al sharpton, and susan payton and deputy editor from politico, sam stein. john, let me start with you. i want you to talk about the event, but let's back up one second. we have people on this panel that are such acts in this and have covered this, but i remember specifically -- i could be wrong here, but i

believe you wrote an article about the 2012 campaign after it was over. and you had said that it was rock obama's goal and the team's goal to disqualify mitt romney by may, right? i april, by may, by hitting him hard early. we are seeing the seeds of that here. donald trump ahead in some polls, by doing better than before. but you look at what we just heard, what was just reported about wisconsin. the number of campaign headquarters that biden has where trump is having to pull out. michigan, you have pete hoekstra, the guy who is running the michigan republican party cleat basically saying, anybody out there? we are here. donald trump having to cancel events in arizona. it really is a tale of two campaigns. i do wonder if republicans are starting to say, wait a second, maybe joe scarborough was right? actually, those words are never

used. abate maybe this guy is not as interested in winning the president the as he is in using this run to pay his legal bills, something that i said he would do in 2019 if you lost in 2020. sure enough, that's what he's doing. talk about the tale of two campaigns, and are we seeing the seeds of a trump defeat again this fall because of what is happening in early spring? >> so yeah, i wrote that back in 2012 and i actually wrote it as well, i think i wrote it may or june of that year. and i think that it is important, and joe, as a parallel. there is a way in which it is a ackley on any way in which it is not exactly on. the difference between 2012 and mitt romney and donald trump in 2024 is that mitt romney was delay largely unknown commodity to most americans in the ring

of 2012. and the definition that took place, the defining of who mitt romney was, the notion that he was this rapacious, overlord of the multimillionaire, billionaire class. that he could be caricatured as a figure of great wealth and no human empathy -- that ended up being the image that helped rock obama win. we got to election day in 2012. when you looked at those exit polls, the one thing he outdistanced him on was cares about people like us. when it came to cares about people like us, brock obama crushed romney. that was the difference in the election and that was all stuff that was entered in the spring of that year with this massive onslaught of negative advertising that the obama campaign did. the difference in 2024 is donald trump is not an undefined care are in the

american psyche. everyone who knows who he is. there's no thing not known in some sense about donald trump. but where the financial advantage is most important and most salient in this race is not in terms of reminding people what the stakes are. it's not so much about the fighting trump and self, for reminding people with the stakes are in the race and illustrating just how much more extreme donald trump is in 2024 that he was in mind in 2016 and even in 2020. how much of donald trump after january 6th has become someone who doesn't hide his tendons these, his desire to be a dictator? after we've seen the results of what his rule wrought in the case at the end of roby wade. so those are things that biden is trying to do. what a flex last night relative to all of this that we are talking about. that kind of event, a bill

clinton, brack obama, joe biden appearance is something we think of as a late october event, may be a late october event. it's not a spring event. this is a re-election campaign saying, we are going to do this now and we are going to keep doing it all the way through the fall. these ex-presidents who normally would give us a few days in the campaign trail in the fall are all in because they understand what the stakes are, too. but it also is showing everybody just how much is at stake here. it is reassuring democrats and also telling republicans, hey, you guys have no firepower that can match this firepower. >> underscoring the state selection and also a clear message. we are going to bury you financially. president biden has a meeting with this financial director teams later today as well.

reverend sharpton, that was the goal last night. there was a second, and i was to demonstrate democratic unity. and we see polls that, there are still democrats out there who are supporting president biden, but maybe not doing so all that is the astec leap. we also know he has some base issues. progressive voters, voters of color, those upset about what is happening in gaza. there are those unsure if they are going to back joe biden again. it felt like that was a subtext last night, was clinton and obama saying, look, you got to come home. this matters too much. >> i think that was definitely the subtext, and i think it was something important to you now rather than later. everyone has mentioned that usually you see obama, and for that matter, clinton coming out late in may be the fall into

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>> last year was another record- breaking year for white supremacist propaganda in the united states with more than 7500 cases were worded in 2023.

this is according to a new report from the anti-defamation league. the adl revealed the figure in its annual white supremacist propaganda report. joining us now to break down those findings, the ceo of the anti-defamation league, jonathan greenblatt. inkster being with us is always. a dubious record to break again this year. what all did you see, what are the areas of greatest concern? >> thanks for having me, willie. indeed, white supremacist and right-wing extremists may have a hard time showing up in some public places and actively use propaganda in order to argue, intimidate, and victimize minorities. last year, the second year in a row, we broke a new dubious record. we sold over 7500 such propaganda incidents. a 141% increase in the anti-

lgbt propaganda. terrible, terrible ire directed at trans-people in particular. and an 80% increase in anti- semitic propaganda. we sever the first time really in the open, this convergence of right wave right wave extremist with left-wing radical anti-zionist language. you are seeing the same people who have hated them for a long time celebrating the 10/7 attack. there's this weird and twisted marriage between these right- wing extremists and left-wing anti-zionist that we haven't really seen before. these are happening in all 50 states with the exception of hawaii and alaska, and there's a handful of groups that are driving this. names like national justice party or patriot front that come off as being pro-american.

when they are really nothing more than pro hate. >> it's been a couple of years now since the fbi director test five in congress that white supremacy was the biggest threat -- terrorist threat to americans. >> you get any sense that the federal government is trying to do anything or having any success in combating anti- semitism, particularly from these far right groups? does anything work? >> that's a really important question. we have found this state and federal law enforcement to be very focused on the problem. indeed, if you need to be arresting these people, prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law. when propaganda moves from expressing an idea to inciting violence, there's grounds to do something about it.

definitely, they have a role to play. i will tell you, director ray and all of the folks that we do with the dhs, and cetera, have been really, really vigilant. but i will say, their efforts are somewhat hamstrung by the social media companies. i mean, literally, what we are seeing in places like -- i get when it's on truth social. i have to accept that it's going to be on parlor. when it moves to instagram. when it's popular on facebook. that's when i know we have a problem, because the companies seem either incapable or unwilling to do something to clampdown this hate. that's how it's happening. these actors, far right extremists in particular, they coordinate online and they mobilize their people. this read the flyers, and that's how they end up on people's front lawn.

it is really loathsome. >> i will let you ask jonathan the next question. i do want to say, though, we are talking about far right anti-semitism. the sad fact is, we have it on the far right, we have it on the far left. and we have it and i hear it all the time on college campuses. it has gotten so extreme on many college campuses. i've heard first hand you can't even talk about a two state solution without being accused of being a zionist. you can talk about peace between palestinians and the without being called a zionist. jonathan chase wrote this for new york magazine. this week, the university of michigan shared and deleted a social media message saying this. until my last breath, i will utter death to every single

individual who supports the zionist state. death and more. death and worse. the university sent an email denouncing the message. while she may be in undergrad, the dr. martin luther king spirit award. the students who best exemplify the leadership and extraordinary vision of the reverend martin luther king jr. it is absolutely bizarre. there's nobody less in line with the message of dr. martin luther king that would talk about death and worse. the new york times jointly pictured her, presenting both a searching for common humanity. they walked to a nearby campus building and sat together on a bench. maybe this would be the chance to recognize one another's humanity. he needed to know why anti-

israel protesters have not forcefully condemned the deaths of israeli civilians. and as jonathan said, i think that mystery has been cleared up. and donnie, you cannot come on college campuses, on elite college campuses -- it is hard to even bring up what happened on october 7th without being called a zionist. it is hard for a student do not get canceled if they bring up the horrors of what happened on october 7th. it is -- there is -- so many of these groups and college campuses, i've heard about it first hand. there is not just a plea -- a plea that we would all agree with to save civilian lives in gaza. there's an underlying hate for israel that is been there for

years. you can also see other documentaries of world war ii right now on netflix. this is how they have always been treated. you see the hatred, and jonathan and i have been talking about this for years. it's been rising from the right, rising on college campuses from the light. just such extremism against on the right, far right, and on the far left. >> it is so beyond college campuses. they put out a survey that one in four americans say they know someone that dislikes or hates them, and one in four americans know someone who is pro-hamas. that means you are pro annihilating israel, and as jonathan also pointed out, we are getting squeezed on two levels. we are getting squeezed from the right and the left, and there's also another kind of

anti-semitism were on the one hand, people are anti-semitic, the tropes of vermin, they are not humans. but on the other hand, they have too much. getting squeezed from the left and the right and the top and the bottom, and those numbers are staggering, and they are frightening. it just sends chills through me. >> look, donnie. i think joe put his finger on something incredibly important. will the threat of far right extremists -- here's the thing. when a student was honored at the university of michigan is praising and pleading for the death of jews, why isn't she considered an extremist? there's no white supremacist club at the university of michigan that says these things. but by the way, why is it allowed that you have these students spewing this vile

rhetoric, spitting death threats against their peers? we should be clear on this. when the right supremacist go after the zionists, everyone says it's wrong. why is it okay when the radical left says death to the zionist? we have to ask ourselves this. if you are concerned about white supremacy -- and you should be, as joe was just saying -- you have got to be concerned. these kids on these college campuses, guess where they are going? to your boardrooms. >> morning jordan workroom continues in just a moment. mom

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the former president mentioned her by name in a post, which included a false claim about a social media account that shares a handle that she once used. trump ranted about a picture of him behind bars that had been posted to the account, and he claims it proves he can't get a fair trial. but the new york state court says the handle no longer belongs to the judges daughter, according to a court's works posen. she deleted about a year ago, and someone else has since taken it over. but it's not clear you. while trump is under a gag order in the case, it does not apply to the judge or his family. so here's how former federal prosecutor andrew wiseman reacted to trump's comments. >> it actually is something that could be stopped. the gag order could apply to it, the judge and the judges

family. this is where, as a matter of grace, the judges have not imposed the gag order as to themselves. and judges bend over backwards. it will be interesting to see whether the judge does expand on it. it's just donald trump. more of the same. it is really important not to just normalize this. i mean, people talk about predicting what a trump 2.0 administration would be and should be really think he's going to be a dictator? my response to that is, you can look right now at what he is doing and saying. and for people who are fair- minded, i would say, what do you say about someone who attacks the daughter of a judge? i mean, is there no depth to what he will not descend? it is so important to not get

immune to what this is. >> the courts allow it. they really do. i will say it again, practicing law for a while -- i practiced law when i was younger -- if anybody -- if a defendant, a lawyer, if anybody said something like this about a judge or a judges family member, they would immediately go to jail. they might be given a really harsh warning. their lawyer will probably be warned. if he does this again or she does this again, you are going to be sanctioned, and that i'm going to send your client to jail and let him think about it. if this will happen to you, to me, to anybody that talked about a judge that way. donald trump -- his supporters are right. there is a two tier legal

system, and donald trump is a beneficiary of it. certainly in this case, it's amazing. you brought up a great point to me. joe biden raised more money in one night, as you said, then donald trump will probably raise in the entire first quarter of this election year. and while joe biden is doing that, donald trump's continuing to engage in the type of behavior that cost him almost $100 million when he couldn't shut his mouth about e. jean carroll even after he had a defamation judgment handed down against him. he is doing it now. gag order, and what is he doing? he's going after a judges family. >> writes. so there were a few months ago when we were on the air talking about this. we talked about the fact that

trump would -- nothing would stop him, no matter how a gag order -- it was a limited sweeping gag order that he would never shut up and he would keep to what he does. he's never paid a real price for saying outrageous, outlandish, threatening things. in fact, he's been rewarded for that and a lot of regards. people would say, if he does this, this coming year, some judge -- they have the power. they can put him in jail. they can slap a contempt order on him and jail him. my question was, are any of these judges going to have this doan's to do that? of course, they have that power. but will they actually do it? constrained by whatever set of either fear or some misguided sense of not wanting to set president. it's a campaign. we no longer want to be seen as

daily someone who is active in the presidential race. will any of these judges in any of these cases, will any of them actually have the balls to do this? because he's going to do it. he's going to do things that matter at that. so i ask you. you, simple country lawyer. me, none of those things. why not? what is the thing that would constrain any of these judges -- in this case, this judge -- for basically saying, here's the strictest possible gag order, and the first time you violated, you will go to jail and sit there and rot for however long. what stops them? >> i don't know. i can tell you what, the judges that i went for would have done it in a second. and i understand he's a presidential candidate. >> that's understandable. in large part, because he knew

all of this was coming. we set it in 2019, and 2020, in 2021. we have been saying he is going to run for president because he knows he's gotten himself in so much trouble. if i may judge, i just lay it out straight to the lawyer and to the defendant. in this case, donald trump. this is a gag order. if you violate it, let me give you 10 examples of people who violated gag orders in this court and what happened to them. and that's going to happen to you. whatever sanction that is for the attorneys, whatever sanction that is for the defendant, it happens. especially in federal court. my god. in northwest florida, my god. you would be buried in jail for a week if -- i mean, there's a woman who fell asleep during jury duty got sent to jail for contempt of court.

so when you have a defendant lying about a judges family member because the defendant knows that will put the judges daughter in danger of imminent harm, it is a pretty easy call. >> coming up, the united states on the un's cease-fire vote, creating more distance between president biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we talk about that next. next.

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>> prime minister netanyahu is right, that he does not have a good faith negotiating partner in hamas. at the u.n. resolution, the abstention by the united states from that to allow to pass, netanyahu says that's why the cease-fire talks are beings called. what is your sense of things? >> that's not even close. the united states announced that it had heard from hamas that it wasn't going to go ahead with the cease fire before the un security council vote. the fact that the prime minister misrepresented the timing and the sequencing, blaming it on the united states, again, he is doubling down on criticizing joe biden. i'm old enough to remember when one of the ways you would measure and israeli prime

minister are at home and abroad was how well he managed israel's most important relationship with the united states. you now have a prime minister who is increasingly is hinging his political future not on managing israel's relationship with the united states, on damaging it. this is beginning to get traction. if you read the israeli newspapers yesterday and today, more and more commentators coming out questioning why he is essentially running against joe biden. >> is it just politics? he's trying to save his own skin at home? why so aggressive with the united states right now? >> i do think it's politics, and he has increasingly hitched his wagon to a strategy that i believe cannot succeed. if you're going to go after hamas, to destroy it, there's got to be two dimensions. one is a military dimension. i think they have been counterproductive and heavy- handed. but there's got to be a

political measure. you can't sideline or marginalize your group without offering an alternative. is strategy literally cannot succeed. we are already seeing signs in areas of gaza where hamas has suffered military setbacks, they are beginning to come back. if there is a vacuum, it will be filled. i really believe the prime minister cannot succeed on a strategy or policy, always falling back on politics. >> they had to do it again because hamas had moved back into the area. we just read this statement here, with the white house deeply frustrated prime minister netanyahu. but what other cards does the biden administration have to play, carrot or stick, to sort of judge netanyahu to where they needed to go for a real cease-fire and beyond that a two state dilution. >> we see the sanctions against those involved in violence. we see the a to drop, and now we see the u.n. vote. just this week, i think it was

friday, the israelis announced that 2000 acres had been taken by the state for new settlement. i think we are getting very close to the condition of u.s. military aid where we are going to say, you can have this military weapon system, but you can't use it in the following way. we might even have denial of some weapons systems. were going down the road where israel is defining policy and the united dates is when after got the escalation ladder. >> let's take a look at this from of the view of the israeli people that want their hostages back and suffered a horrific attack on october 7th that they will never forget, so what is the israeli government -- what is the prime minister supposed to do with a terrorist death cult on the other side of the negotiating table in exchange for 40 hostages? how do they negotiate

reasonably with that group? >> you may not be able to. i think they took the hostages because they knew it would give them leverage. they fear that without them, israel will act in a really unconstrained way. so i can't give you a satisfying answer to that. really, this is an entity that has a awful lot of autonomy. i understand the israeli frustration. just yesterday, you had these terrible stories of the sexual depravity that came out of the violation of this is really women and so forth. so i understand the frustration. all you can do is hope the negotiation works. freeing prisoners and so forth. but the israelis are not going to move out of gaza 100 percent and are not going to agree to a total cease fire and they shouldn't. my view as they shouldn't rule out major military operations, but they should integrate with a total cease fire if they have information. they should be prepared to do that. >> next up, trumps truth social

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could make a ton of money off of this week. he owns over 60% of this company, and right now, it is all on paper. but you have the stock soaring. he can't sell his position for 6 months, that he can get a waiver and sell earlier in the waiver might not be that difficult to get because his son and a bunch of his closest allies are on the board of the company. you could actually see trump monetize this. now, where this thing is trading and the actual real value of this company are a zillion miles away from one another. they brought in about 3 1/2 million dollars in ad revenue and lost tens of millions of dollars. they make less money than your local single operated cheesecake factory. you could see the company issue new shares, payout dividends, and trump could actually end up getting paid a whole lot of

money here. >> there are people out there, democrats mostly, who think donald trump keeps getting away with it. this is a moment where he is in financial straits, and the lifeline seems to emerge. perhaps allowing him to get away with it. it occurs as we were talking off-camera moment ago, this would be a pretty convenient way for someone who is trying to invest in the next president or making an off the books donation to trump world. you do it through this company. what do you think? >> she knows more about the markets than i do. people talk about the stock market as being the best reflection of the wisdom of crowds. you look at this, and you have to wonder whether there is any truth to that whatsoever. this does not seem to reflect any wisdom. i'm not sure it really reflects much of a crowd, either. but i think whatever you are talking about off-camera, it seems like the reality here, this is a political advantage. if you are a trump friend, this

is a way to do a kind of donation which the board will easily allow him the waiver that you were talking about the war, given the way the board is stacked. but on top of that, if you are an ordinary invest their or a wall street investor, are you not here putting some money into truth social, which could be a very valuable company if donald trump is elected president in november? and suddenly you have a favorite company in the social media's beer by the president will almost certainly not divest himself. you've got state media going here. that could be a very valuable investment. however, i would not want to be sitting on this thought of truth social day after joe biden beats him if that happens. >> you got one crowd buying up the stock, and these are the wall street traders that flooded the market in 2019.

all those bros on reddit that are going to take the sting to the moon. they could absolutely lose their shirts, along with people who are pledging their loyalty to donald trump. the same people buying the sneakers and the bibles who know it is a graft, and they love it. there's this group of release smart wall street investors who look at the fundamentals and say, i'm not going for this. this is an options bat. if you're this guy has been in the news for the last few weeks, jeff yass, he is the richest guy in the state. he's a huge investor in bytedance, which is tiktok. it makes sense as an options trader to buy this call option on a potential next president. and guess what? if this works, it's great for you. it's an unregulated donation and you have the potential future president under your thumb. >> morning joe weekend returns in just a moment. moment.

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>> today, domestic terrorism is an egregious terroristic threat facing the united states. >> if you just apply it to the u.s., we should be concerned. >> how did i end up on one side of this, and my fellow veterans, how did they end up on the other side of that door? >> i was part of the trailer from the new documentary titled against all enemies, which takes a look at why some military veterans are drawn to the growing violent far right extremist movement in america. essentially becoming a threat to the democracy they once swore to uphold. joining us now, the film's director and producer, charlie stayed off, writer and executive producer sebastian younger, and can harm them. take you all for being here this morning. the footage of january 6th has

been spliced throughout this documentary. and powerfully so. talk to us about this phenomenon. what has caused it? >> so the reason so many veterans -- and it's not most veterans. that has to be said. they are drawn to these extreme groups like the oath keepers and proud boys out of a sense of loss, and needing to replace that with a community, a mission. when you take off the uniform, that need for mission and camaraderie doesn't go away. these groups do a really good job at re-creating that, and i think it's incumbent upon us to find other avenues for them to channel that desire to be part of something bigger than them selves. the problem is, these groups channel that desire. >> what is the trend line here? why do we think there's been such an increase and uptake in

this behavior? >> i think the society -- western society is going through a lot of changes right now. and for economic reasons, one of the economic reasons, one of those will bring out extremism. it's just not violent like it is on the far right. and we just had 20 years of war. my father was a refugee from two wars, he fled the spanish civil war which was promulgated by veterans from the spanish war in morocco. they harnessed that damage to those soldiers, they harnessed it politically. >> charlie, talk to us about the film it felt. what sort of access did you have? tell us more about the story you are trying to tell. >> we wanted to get inside some of these groups. we didn't just want to show them firing their guns out in the woods, which is a lot of times what you see with the profiles of some of these groups. we had access to the oath

keepers, as you saw in the trailer. we had access to the proud boys, the former new york chapter of the proud boys. we had patriots and three presenters. we sort of met with all of them to actually hear their stories and give them a chance to articulate their point of view. and they were happy to tell us about that, because they think that what they are doing is the right thing. they think they are defending the constitution of the united dates. i think they are all patriots. >> that's all the time we have for today, we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. up next, it's the weekend. it is sunday, march 31. i'm alicia menendez.