on our ability to help gaza. >> this comes as thousands of gazans have died since october 7th. ken, thank you so much. that is our show. it is time for the last word with ali velshi who is in for lawrence. >> not your biggest fan tonight. i was trying to get ready for the show. then you did this thing about the councilman in enid, oklahoma. and then i was like hey, i got a show to do, but i was glued to that and you did it and had that conversation with brandy. most would not know that stuff like this happened. >> it is important to know that other people in deeply red states see some of this white supremacy and replacements and

say no. >> absolutely. thank you for incredibly. doing that. the battle for the american presidency in 2024 will likely come to another battle of the blue wall including michigan and wisconsin. two reliably democratic states that flipped and led to donald trump's victory. votes for jill stein in both states in 2016 were larger than the vote difference between trump and hillary clinton. joe biden won back both states in 2020. winning michigan, wisconsin, and that pushed him to 270 electoral votes before georgia and arizona so it cannot be overstated how critical these battleground states are. and today, donald trump took his election denying xenophobic stump speech to michigan.

our first guest tonight will be michigan's democratic governor gretchen whitmer who will join me in just a moment. trump started his day in michigan where they launched a new billboard campaign to remind everyone that he lobbied republicans to tank the bipartisan security bill. he lost to joe biden by 500,000 votes. here is part of the vision of america he pitched to voters in michigan today. weirdly, and a little dictatory, encircled by local sheriffs and a police guy in uniform. >> they tried to use the term blood bath incorrectly on me two weeks ago. it is all about misinformation. if we don't win november 5th, i think our country is going to cease to exist. >> now, this is not the first time that donald trump has predicted that the united states will cease to exist if

he loses. what could cease to exist in this country if donald trump wins is the right to an abortion. even in states where it is currently legal. in states where the constitution of that state guarantees it. today, he announced hi presidential campaign will release more details about his abortion policy. now, this news comes after the florida supreme court allowed that state's six week abortion ban to take effect. six weeks. the court will allow florida voters to decide whether to expand reproductive rights in that state. biden's campaign manager told reporters that donald trump is directly to blame for the fact that abortion has now been effectively banned across the entire southeast united states. and today, nbc news broke the

story that arizona abortion rights advocates say they have gathered signatures needed to put a constitutional amendment on the 2024 ballot to protect abortion access. gretchen whitmer signed into law a series of bills known as the michigan family protection act providing legal protections for families whose children were born by in vitro fertilization. >> i urge my colleagues to take the floor and express their outrage. one of them was about to but

couldn't. that is when i realized how could i ask a colleague to tell their story when i wasn't yet prepared to share my own? so i put aside my prepared remarks and shared the story that i had only told a handful of people. i talk about the time i was raped in college. thankfully, it did not result in a pregnancy. but if it had, i knew i would have been able to get the care i needed. i knew i could do what i needed to do if it came to that. the decision about my future would be mine alone. the bill you were debating at the time would have forced me to buy insurance for my own rape before it happened or bear the child of my attacker. ten years ago today, i gave that speech and it didn't change a single vote on the senate floor. hundreds of people called and

faxed and emailed. to share their support. i knew this fight was not over. today, exactly ten years later, i'm standing here as the governor signing the repeal of that awful law. and i share this story because it reminds us all that when we work to protect our fundamental rights. civil rights. sometimes that work takes longer than days or weeks. sometimes it takes a decade and it is still not truly finished but stays in that fight is the only way to win that fight. >> joining us now is gretchen whitmer. the cochair of the biden harris 2024 reelection campaign. governor, good to see you again. thanks for being with us. >> reporter: thanks ali. >> a number of states including florida are trying to get a ballot measures like you had in michigan through to guarantee abortion rights in their state.

what happens if donald trump's threat or promise to impose a 15-week abortion ban comes to pass? does that have more strength than your states guarantee? >> one of the things with a guy like donald trump is you have to watch what he does. don't listen to what he says. he says a lot of different things but at the end of the day, he is the one that put three supreme court justices on the bench who took, you know, who overruled roe v. wade. and, it is exactly why we have a patchwork of rights across the country. why reproductive freedom is under attack. so as we look to what may happen in florida and what may happen in arizona, let's be clear. abortion is on the ballot in all 50 states in this election. if donald trump becomes the president again, he will eviscerate many fundamental freedoms including the right to abortion and it would impact women in michigan, new york, california, and every other

state like ohio that has achieved protections for this right. >> in the last election in your state, you and your fellow statewide democrats leaned into that as an issue. and other issues obviously. it is the prototype perhaps for what can happen across this country in november. >> reporter: absolutely. i had to tell my story about being sexually assaulted at michigan state and undergrad. ten years ago when i was fighting an effort to make it even harder for women to access abortion. it didn't change a single vote that day. but i knew after the response i heard from people across michigan we were right on this issue. ten years later to the day, i was able to sign the repeal of that very law. this is a fight we women in america and our families and our allies are ready to have. we shouldn't have to. it is horrifying that we are in

this moment. but i don't think anyone should underestimate american women and how strongly we and men and allies feel about this issue. >> one of the things you did in that speech, you said you didn't really, you don't like talking about this much. but you wanted people to see who the women were on the other side of the story. on the other side of the equation. and we learned that. these abstractions about women who get abortions have become real stories about women actually dying in the effort to have reproductive health care. >> well, that's right. and when i told that story, it didn't sway a single vote that day. sadly, i had signed into law this repeal of the ban on paid surrogacy in michigan. we want to help women and their families, you know, same sex couples as well. start a family in whatever way makes sense for them. on their own terms, when and when they are ready. we can protect all of those

rights. but this bill only had two republicans vote in favor of it. this is the same group who said we all support ivf, but when they had a vote in front of them to protect ivf and surrogacy, they voted no. and so, that is why i keep saying watch what people do. don't listen to what they say. watch what they do. that will tell you who they are. >> the ivf issue in alabama and i'm glad you straightened this out in michigan, we didn't understand what is this about? why are people against ivf? most people just think it is difficult and expensive and hard to achieve, but it helps people trying to have children. what is your law in michigan now protect against? >> so we have secured and made very clear what the rights are and codified ivf as well as decriminalized paid surrogacy.

these are two ways that many people create families and we want to ensure that if you want to have a family, you get all the avenues to do exactly that. if an embryo is considered a human being, has rights of a human being, that means, you know, ivf of course, you saw what happened in alabama, but it also could extend to stem cell research and ban the cutting edge research for alzheimers and juvenile diabetes. this is a scary home. if people are really paying attention, you see how broad all of these attacks could be applied. it is why this fight is so important and we have to be a part of it. >> donald trump said a lot of things in michigan of interest including how the country will cease to exist if he is not president and our death to our cities and suburbs and all this and pointed out that suburb ban housewives above him. he made that very specific. this is always a discussion

that comes up. if you are in michigan, you victories are across the board. and on these issues of reproductive rights and freedoms in general, it seems to cross a lot of those lines. i suspect there are some suburban housewives in michigan that are annoyed that donald trump is invoking them for nonsense they wouldn't support. >> well i sure as heck would be. we know that the hard working women and men of this state spoke loud and clear in the last election and sent me back to keep doing this job. and i will tell you, i think the conversation around our border is serious. we need serious leaders to solve problems. he couldn't get it fixed so when joe biden was on the precipice of working with congress to have real protections, he is the one that torpedoed it.

to come into this state, he was the one that could mix it. you can't listen to what these guys say. you have to look at the record and get the facts. >> how do you convince people who may including your state be complacent about the fact they have abortion protections in your state, or aren't you in love with everything joe biden has been doing? how do you talk to them without minimizing what may be their valid concerns about the fact that the option, if they don't vote for joe biden is donald trump? >> i think it is by listening. we got to earn people's votes. a vote is an important thing somebody has. it starts with listening.

organization, fightlikehell.org if anyone wants to help. but this is center around making sure people understand, it can be undone quickly if we get a trump term. congress that will send him an abortion ban. he said he will sign it and we can't let people assume that just because you are in a state that affords you these freedoms, we are all at risk. >> what about the movement that we saw? the uncommitted movement during the primaries? those are people who when presented with the idea that the binary choice between donald trump and joe biden should be clear, that means they are not important. what does that look like to

you? a lot of people came out to cast an uncommitted ballot. >> there are a lot of people hurting. what is happening and gaza and israel, and the innocent lives, it is horrific. it is one degree of separation from people suffering or mourning. it is horribly hard. that is why i think showing up and listening, keeping people safe here at home. and ensuring they understand all the different things that we are working onto give people a path to a good life here. and make sure america is a credible force around the world. a force for good. no group is monolithic. we have a lot of work to do. >> governor, good to see you, thank you for spending time with us this evening. >> thank you.

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winning 87% of the democratic vote with a little less than 10% of the vote going to uninstructed which is a protest vote in opposition to the war in gaza. donald trump has 76% of the republican vote with more than 13% going to nikki haley who dropped out a month ago. and 4% of the republican vote going to uninstructed. unclear about what that is. nbc news is projecting that joe biden and donald trump have won their respective party's presidential primaries. which all seems pretty obvious since they are their party's presumed nominees at this point. but sometimes you have to stay stuff on the record, especially with trump. and here is just another example of why. donald trump held a rally in green bay, wisconsin where he once again spread lies about the 2020 election and claimed that he won the state of wisconsin. >> we won this state by a lot and it came out he won the

state. >> he didn't win. it didn't come out that he won. that is just a lie. donald trump lost the state in 2020 to biden by 20,000 vote. here is what the secretary of state had to say about the former president's return to her state. >> you know, today is the first time president trump has been here in almost two years. why? he has been too busy focusing on himself. whether it is a gimmick of a bible or sneakers that just working families can't afford? to, you know, being in court because he has 88 criminal charges. against him. as president, donald trump didn't do things for working families in wisconsin. let's talk about his tax plan. it provided tax breaks for the wealthy 1% in corporations so

the amazons of the world paid basically zero in taxes. and my parents who are retired public schoolteachers paid more. that's not right. if we look at his tax cuts alone, they increase the deficit by about $2 trillion. that's not fiscally responsible. >> joining us know t chairman of the democratic party of wisconsin. good to see you again, thank you for being with us. what do you make of the results? not the big headlines but what do you make of how this is all playing out the number of people who came out, the enthusiasm and the fact that joe biden won is a tight place. >> it is great to be with you tonight. and it is a big night in wisconsin, the core stories have shown with what happened in the election day-to-day, trump was telling his

supporters to wait in line to see him speak. and, democrats were asking people to knock on doors all over the state. which we did. we knocked on hundreds of thousands of doors, phone calls, relational contacts over the next month. tens of thousands of voters we reached just today to support local candidates, to get out the vote for president biden. and then, you see the results. the republican party is divided. they are still in the middle of a civil war about who won in 2020, trump is teasing he is about to announce his support for. we don't know what he will say. on the democratic side, there is a clearer call for change in the middle east. the heartbreaking crisis we are seeing. and, a very clear vote of confidence for president biden. democrats want to stop trump. they want another biden harris trump. it is not just hard core

democrats. most independents, a lot of republicans, almost all democrats. want to protect freedom, democracy. an economy that works for working people, brings down costs. instead of ransacking the national treasury to hand out huge wags of money to the ultra wealthy. >> so let's divide the two things up. on the one side of things, the abortion, the freedoms. the future of the democracy. that whole bucket of things in a tight place like wisconsin in fact, we saw the people do the same thing in michigan. when pressed about the issues of liberty and freedom, they chose liberty and freedom and donald trump is on the wrong side of that one. >> that is absolutely right. everywhere where people have had a chance to go to the

ballot box. and cast a vote for whether they should make their own decisions about their own bodies or whether politicians should override themselves and their doctors and the choices that they need to be able to make, every time, voters vote for freedom and it is as clear as day. it is as clear as day and the 2024 election will be a referendum on whether to have a national abortion ban. what the republicans are putting on the table with mike johnson as the speaker of the house, with these array of issues. the attacks on ivf we have seen in alabama. this is what the republican party is putting on offer. on the other side, as president biden said in a state of the union address, the reproductive freedom that puts the

protections back in place. he will sign that bill and we will defend reproductive freedom coast to coast nationwide in wisconsin and everywhere else. that is the choice voters have. however they feel about the candidates they can make a choice about whether they want the power to make their own decisions about their own lives or want republican politicians to override it. >> let me ask you about this. 9.3% of people voted uninstructed. those people went out and said i'm not going to support joe biden. now, we don't know if that happens in the election, than democrats won by in the last election. that's a big number. and michigan was a big number, too. that is enough to sink democrats in both states. do you worry about that? >> the voters who cast ballots

voted in the democratic primary. they know that trump is not the answer. and they were voting to send a message about change they want to see not after the election, but before the election. what they are calling for is what most americans want and the president is calling for and working toward. toward just peace. the situation with hostages, both for israel and palestine, what we need is self- determination and peace and a resolution to the crisis that we see right now. voters are calling for that change and they are doing it in the most civic way possible by casting ballots. if you vote in the primary election, you are more likely to vote in november. so the opportunity is to create that change. as we see change on the ground, we have the opportunity to come

together around that. the contrast will be clearer with a trump administration. what they would do is total disregard. that is what will become more and more clear. the great american tradition of speaking your mind at the ballot box. it is not tuning out. it is getting involved. we have a chance to earn all of these votes for the biden harris team as we get into november. >> i agree with you. great to see you as always. ben is the chairman of the democratic party of wisconsin. coming up, the israeli government is facing widespread condemnation after an air strike by its military killed seven aid workers. president biden says he is outraged and heartbroken.

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of a war. they were brave and selfless. their deaths are a tragedy. the investigation must be swift and the findst must be made public. we will continue to do all we can. i will continue to press israel to do more to facilitate that aid and we are pushing hard for an immediate cease fire as part of a hostage deal. i have a team in cairo working on this right now. 43-year-old zomi francon, a humanitarian aid worker was one of the seven workers killed in gaza last night. >> this is part of the rice we will be serving today. >> zomi and the six other workers had just unloaded 100

tons of humanitarian food aid when their convoy was attacked by the idf. they said world central kitchen lost several of our brothers and sisters in an air strike in gaza. i am grieving for their families and friends an our whole family. these are people. angels, i served alongside in ukraine. gaza, turkey, they are not faceless. they are not nameless. the israeli government needs to stop this indiscriminate killing and stop restricting humanitarian aid. stop using food as a weapon. no more innocent lives lost. peace starts with our shared humanity. it needs to start now. today, the israeli prime minister responded to the attack saying they quote unintentionally hit innocent people in the gaza strip.

this happens in war and we will do everything so this doesn't happen again. today at a white house press briefing, the white house correspondent pressed john kirby for explanation. >> would you describe this strike as a possible mistake it wasn't one strike. but three. the interval aid workers got out of their vehicles. and then a third strike as they tried to move and escape in a third vehicle. all of them were dead. how would the second and third strikes of these marked vehicles be a mistake and why would the u.s. not more

forcefully set conditions on the use of u.s. made weaponry when it is being used to target aid workers if the first one was a mistake, the second two were targeted with the intent of killing everyone in that convoy so how do you respond to it? >> there is an investigation going on. why do we let it get done and see what they find in terms of the decision making process that led to this terrible outcome? prime minister and the idf have noted it was their error. if you don't like the word mistake, their error. they are investigating it. let them do that work and see what they come up with. and we'll go from there. >> joining us know, the journalist who spent over two decades covering the israeli palestinian conflict. this comes in the context of a lot of things happening in israel. including increased protests, a situation you have been covering for almost two years

now. protests that involved hostage families and then of course, this deep tragedy. give me a sense of what is happening and what you are hearing where you are. >> well, there is a feeling of unreality here. this tragedy today involves an organization that nobody has any doubts about. it is not like one of the u.n. agencies they accuse of being in cahoots with hamas and gaza. nobody has any doubts whatever about what chef andreings' world central kitchen is doing there. and in fact, this is an organization that came and brought food to israelis initially after the hamas attack. it seems to have changed somehow whatever israeli ambivalence there was about the lack of ins coming out to israelis, we saw tonight, a

massive anti-war rally in jerusalem. there is no other way to describe it. anti-netanyahu. anti-war, and pro bringing the hostages home at any cost. the government feels very threatened by these protests and for now, there is no movement, i have to say there is no movement on either side. hamas is not accepting hostage exchange just like the israeli government also isn't. >> that was why it was interesting when joe biden made the reference. i have people working on it right now. as if there is a potential breakthrough. it would be a surprise to all of us if that were the case, but you bring up something interesting. the anti-netanyahu protests have been going on a long time. more than a year before october 7th they weren't always the same as anti-war protests. it is not always the same people. the protests are large. you would think they start to fizzle but they are not. they are getting stronger. can we get what is left of our

family members back now and you can sort this other stuff out yourself later? >> right. well, a remarkable thing has happened. just happened in the last 48 hours or so. there have been massive protests. there was some kind of encounter between the families an netanyahu that left the families feeling completely betrayed and so they shifted tactics and they announced publicly that they were doing so. one of the fathers of the hostage came right out and said to netanyahu, you forced us into the arms of the protest. you made us one. so you are absolutely right. the families of hostages have spent the last six months now just basically begging to get their loved ones home and they now feel they have said openly they feel the israeli prime minister is an obstacle to that aim. so they have joined explicitly the anti-netanyahu protest movement and they have given a

new fuel to this movement. there were 100,000 people surrounding, remember, this was mid war with a very depressed population here. 100,000 people sunday night, there is a tent city. this is a week long protest. the government doesn't seem to be reacting but there is a feeling of a public shift. >> interesting. because i cover terrible things like hurricanes and disasters, i have run into jose or his people all around the world. but on, they are there as an adjunct. an extra support. the problem in gaza is a number of aid agencies have now ceased their work while they evaluate the security situation, but it is not like there is an alternative. they don't operate from a food distribution perspective in gaza. hamas doesn't now operate as a food distribution mechanism in gaza. this is becoming, this famine

is becoming very real. >> absolutely. i don't know what to call what happened. but the catastrophe of last night and to be frank, 24 hours later, more now, 25 hours later, the lack of a coherent israeli response is leaving israel stranded as the only party responsible for what is happening in gaza. the israeli attempt to bring an international organization to allow for example the uae to do air drops. and the u.s. and jordan. apparently, what i have heard today is that israel wanted the world central kitchen to have some kind of permanent role distributing aid inside gaza. counting on them for the future. obviously, all of that has been blown up. by this disaster and i think israel will be left having to make very, very difficult

decisions in a matter of days. >> if you needed someone to take that over, you would talk to jose. because they are particularly good at that. but it is a weird situation. thanks as always for adding your analysis in your great reporting to this. all right, coming up, will judge aileen cannon help donald trump avoid a trial for classified adopts before the election? andrew and brad join us to discuss that next. discuss that next.

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special council jack smith and donald trump have until midnight tonight to respond to an order from judge aileen cannon with their proposed jury instructions in the criminal case against donald trump. for his alleged illegal retention of classified documents and his obstruction to get them back. she is considering. judge cannon has yet to rule on new proposed dates. fueling concerns that jack smith's proposed july start might not happen. at a paperless order, june cannon ordered them to file a

speedy trial the report shall include defendants positions and expressly indicate any defendant's current assertion or waiver of speedy trial rights with associated time frames end quote. judge cannon makes even clearer in her paperless order, the classified documents was never going to trial. before the election end quote. joining us now, andrew weissman, former chief of the criminal division. of the criminal division. york and the co-author of the best-selling book the trump indictments. the historic charging documents with commentary. he represents people that work in the intelligence community. i want to start with bradley, you deal specifically in matters of documents and classified matters.

this thing about letting the t jury consider the idea that the president has the right to determine what is a presidential record or not, i id did not think that was a thing. i did not think you could give the jury a option to make that o determination. >> it is not a thing. that is a strict question of law. if the judge believes there is legitimacy to the argument and that is something trump has been outlying, that she should grant one of his pretrial motions throughout the indictment, that is a strict question of law. the issue on fact would be whether or not the information was national defense information , if trump was in possession of it without authorization and if you tried to conceal it when confronted by the government, those are the questions that would be relevant when it comes to a espionage act charge, i do

not know where she was going with this proposed jury instruction other than the ideau that she does not want to have to take the responsibility of making these decisions and having her name on that opinion that was against trump on that. beyond that i am baffled. nd >> andrew, what you make of what that was about? >> i think the judges in the bag for trump. the proposal she gave for both sides to address a issue, the options she said fourth are legally wrong. so the filing today is going to be fascinating. the real issue is, is the government going to view this as the rubicon where they are putting a line in the sand saying if this is where you are

going, if you are saying you will give one of these two wrong instructions, both being wrong, we will appeal you. we will either do it by a appeal or a read, but we have had it. so i'm fascinating to see whether they think this is it. they are done with her because to bradley's point, the reason he is saying he is baffled is because there is no law to support what she is doing. or that we are in the same situation pretrial where the 11th circuit reversed the judge not once but twice. the fascinating thing is when we learn what that doj's view is. >> let's take the thesis further. maybe she is in the bag for trump. she has been corrected by the 11th circuit a couple of times so you are right, she can send it up and see what happens. what are the implications for her being in the bag for trump, one of the serious ones seems to be she may make mistakes on

how she deals with the jury but that may be appealed but the issue is, will the trial see the light of day before the election? >> it is getting hard to imagine how this will happen before the election at this point if for no other reason than that she is taking her sweet time more than any when i can imagine in a criminal trial. there has been a pile of motions stacking up that she has not issued rulings on that have been briefed out four b weeks. she had a hearing over a month ago. she has not set a new trial schedule. i do not know where she is going with this. we do know she issued a order asking for a speedy trial report from the defendants which they have not done, it has been the government doing it. i do not know if she is trying to iron out details before setting a new date but i would not be shocked if she says i am pushing it off until spring of 2025. >> you have 60 seconds, you will

argue she is justifying her sluggishness? >> yes, i think she is going to point out that she has not violated the speedy trial act, t i think she is anticipating that the government may try to go up to the 11th circuit and they will try to force either a change of judge or to get a trial date set and she will try to create a record that she has not been delaying the case since she has been complying with the speedy trial act, that is the only way i can understand her latest order asking for this information from the defense which means totally unnecessary. you have a erratic and inexperienced judge and seems quite partisan and making rulings in favor of one side or unilaterally so keep an eye on this filing in terms of whether doj has had it.

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that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with stephanie begins now. tonight, reproductive rights take center stage in the presidential election after big news out of florida. how the issue of abortion could shape the outcome. the judge is asked to step aside as he sues the cofounders of truth social. what we know about the world central kitchen workers killed in the israeli airstrike. as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. y night. good evening once again, we are 217 days away from the election. voters have gone to the