>> that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, donald trump hit with double setbacks in his push to get the charges against him dismissed. we'll break down the latest in the classified documents case, and the georgia election interference case. then, no labels is no more. what it means for both campaigns ahead of november. plus, the tense call between president biden and prime minister netanyahu. the warning from the president about u.s. policy towards israel as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening, once again, i'm stephanie ruhle. we are now 215 days away from the election. tonight, there are double denials for donald trump as he tries to get his criminal case

is dismissed. judges in the classified documents case and the georgia election interference case both said no way to trump's bid to end the prosecution. judge aileen can did not buy the argument that the records were considered personal under the presidential records act. her ruling came after special counsel jack smith lasted her handling of the case thus far. he also objected to her request for proposed jury instructions taking into account trumps claims about the presidential records act. cannon fired back, calling smith response to her request unprecedented and unjust. earlier today, former federal prosecutor andrew wiseman weighed in on her ruling with some pretty choice words. >> she says this is a complex case of first impression. only for her is of the complex case of first impression. there is nothing complex and nothing first impression about this other than a former president. that's not really posing any

legal or factual barriers that make this unusual. >> as for trumps other legal setback, judge scott mcafee denied a bid by trump and his co-defendants to get the georgia election interference case tossed out on first amendment grounds. in his ruling, judge mcafee said, free speech, including political speech, is not without restriction. meanwhile, new york attorney general tish james has questions about the california company that backed the $175 million bond trump posted in his civil fraud case. james says the company or mr. trumps lawyers must file additional paperwork with more information about that bond within the next 10 days. we've got a lot to cover. let's get smarter with our leadoff panel, some of my favorites, special correspondent for vanity fair, and msnbc contributor, peter baker, you know him as chief white house correspondent for the new york times, what you don't know is that he just won

the white house correspondent association 2024 award for excellence in presidential news coverage under deadline pressure. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. joyce, heavy legal day, you are going first. judge cannon, heard trumps speech to dismiss the case three weeks ago, she finally filed a ruling today after jack smith's filing insisted she do something or he was going to go to a higher court. what's your take on this? >> this ruling has some good, some bad, and some ugly. it's good insofar as it goes, she reached the only result she really could reach, here, denying trumps motion to dismiss, at least for now. but, the bad is that it's not a final ruling. as we saw her do previously with trumps motion to dismiss on vagueness grounds, she

leaves the possibility open that she could have a different ruling during trial. as we've been discussing, that's dangerous for the prosecution. if they get a ruling from her now before trial and they don't like it, they can appeal it. if she doesn't rule until after the jury has been sworn in and double jeopardy has been attached, they can't take an appeal. the case is essentially over if she rules against them or if a jury acquits. the ugly part of this, for jack smith to figure out, what does he do next? will he file, as some have suggested, a writ of mandamus asking the 11th court to order her to clarify the ruling, or might he file a motion in limine, the pretrial motions prosecutors file asking for a ruling on the jury instructions before trial. i think that both of those are problematic. he might not be able to win because of the way she's postured this case. is best shot might be a

straight up motion asking her to recuse at this point on the basis of multiple bad rulings. but, at least in so far as this goes, this is the start of good news and perhaps some suggestion that judge cannon, when her feet are held to the fire which is what jack smith did with his response to her request for jury instructions, that she at least understands what she's being told. >> she definitely reacts when her feet are held to the fire, she doesn't want this to go to the higher court. however, she also responded by smacking him down. what could that mean for a potential trial that jack smith may have made an enemy of aileen cannon? >> i don't think it's a surprise to anyone that judge cannon isn't on the government side in this case, simply because her rulings have been so out of the ordinary. so inconsistent with accepted legal doctrine. lawyers have disagreements with judges all the time. no one likes to lose a motion. that's not what this is.

her rulings have been contrary to well-established law, and it's no exception here. because the fact of the matter is, she's saying, maybe trump could offer facts at trial that would reinvigorate this presidential records act defense. and that's simply not the case. the presidential records act is in some sort of magic wand that excuses criminal possession of classified documents by a former president. the fact that she'll even entertain that speculation suggests that this is a case where jack smith will have to find a way to get this in front of the 11th circuit in hopes of having her removed before the trial takes place. >> peter, what you think about what andrew wiseman said, that judge cannon pointed out how complex this case is. and he said no, it is cut and dry, what you think? >> i think a lot of lawyers think it's pretty cut and dried, of the four cases that

have been lost against president trump, this one seems the most open and shut according to legal experts. you're not entitled to sedate classified documents with you. he tried to prevent the government getting them back, he defied a subpoena, according to evidence submitted by the prosecution he inspired with other members of his team, staff at mar-a-lago to prevent the government from finding these documents, bringing them back, it wasn't a case that he brought some of them and didn't realize he had. he actively made an effort according to evidence that's been cemented to prevent the government from handling it. this is not novel, people get in trouble for less in the handling of classified documents. we've seen that time and time again. the question about january 6th and the question about the hush money case that we are about to see start, they arguably raise interesting legal questions we haven't seen before. i think wiseman is correct to say what what's novel about this is it's a former president of the united states, not the issue of handling classified documents. >> i like our audience to know

is molly is such a superb nerd that when other guests are answering questions she's feverishly taking notes to prepare to answer hers. get ready for a good one, molly. there you are, what is she writing down? these two judges today rejected trumps efforts to dismiss these cases. peter just said it, he's got the alvin bragg case coming up in 11 days. are his efforts to delay, delay, are they becoming less effective? is the road coming to an end? >> this is the question, the new york times did this story about how trump had spent $100 million on legal fees, or someone spent $100 million. on behalf of donald trump. but that's a staggering sum of money. and it's worked in a lot of ways, he's only facing one trial at this moment. which is incredible, considering he has 91 counts he's facing, and he's managed

to punt these other trials. what you see with these lawyers is they are throwing everything they can against the wall. anything they can. the first amendment protects him from aligning the judges daughter. any ridiculous excuse. so i think he's gotten to really delay accountability the way that it should have. honestly that really, is in itself a sign of the guardrails have not helped. >> joyce, new topic. i want to talk about donald trump's social media company, now publicly trading truth social. until today he was relatively quiet. he wasn't talking much, but then he went on a big rant on his platform talking up the stock, saying positive things about the company. isn't that dangerous? if he is saying anything that is materially incorrect, won't he attract a lot of attention from federal regulators, the

s.e.c. they could bring shareholder lawsuits his way? >> he started this morning, before the opening bell, talking up this stock. in ways that are possibly misleading. i say possibly, advisedly, because this is the sort of situation that certainly provokes at the s.e.c. maybe for prosecutors, possibly for shareholders, this is the sort of setting where you start to wonder if what's going on is completely kosher. it requires investigation to look into precisely what he's saying and precisely with the position of the stock is. and to contemplate whether there is some fraudulent effort, here, to pump up value or to encourage investors to take steps on the basis of fraudulent intervention, and that can lead, although it's not a fast process by any means, to some sort of

investigation. there's the possibility of parallel proceedings where the justice department and the s.e.c. are working in tandem on these cases. i think it's far too early to say with any definitive sort of conclusion that that's what's going on, here. it certainly will raise some interest. >> but noteworthy, while donald trump owns a 60% of the company, oddly, he is not, he's not on the board, he's not a director, and that might end up correct redacting him where he can say, i'm just a guy who owns a lot of shares, i can't be held accountable like an actual ceo or an officer of the company. that might be by design, only time will tell. peter, i want to talk about reporting from your colleagues at the times on trump businesses and how they become less about the hotels and more about the golf resorts, and how the saudi's are playing a huge role in this. donald trump is a presidential candidate. how is it that more people are not raising alarms about huge conflicts of interest?

>> it's remarkable, you hear congressional republicans talk a lot about the foreign business entanglements of the incumbent president's son. he was paid money by businesses in ukraine and china, and therefore those must be bribed by foreign interests in order to influence the current president. they have no evidence that president biden as president or vice president ever took actions as a result of his son's business efforts, even if his son was profiting off of the biden name. you hear talk about how concerning this is. you don't hear talk about how concerning it is that trump himself continues to do business overseas, he and his family have long had assets and projects and other interests in foreign countries, and that was a big issue while he was president. he continued to get some cash in from foreign interests at the same time he was sitting foreign policy. very few countries are more in

the thick of our foreign policy right now than saudi arabia, which is looking to the united states in terms of its position in the middle east vis-@-vis israel, in terms of iran, it has a great deal of interest in the trump of administration which protected it from consequences after the killing of jamal kashoggi, the washington post journalist dismembered by sarah saudi agents according to the cia by the saudi crown prince. of course there's an obvious set of questions that would be raised, here. they know what the polls are, they're paying attention to what's happening here and they have a great interest in who is sitting in the white house next year. >> let's talk about trumps other money issue, his $175 million bond in the civil fraud case. explain to us what new york ag tish james may be looking for and asking for more information. it's not just a regular bank or lender that's backing him. this guy in l.a., the business

he's always been in, subprime auto lending, this is like the former president of the united states going to a payday lender, basically. the riskiest low end lender. >> it's an awfully odd place for someone like donald trump to go to post a bond. tish james concern that this bond does not secure the full amount of the judgment that she's entitled to. you'll recall that that's after the court of appeals in new york actually reduced the bond from 450 million+ dollars to 175 million. now, she seems to have concerns that there is not sufficient cash in the entity that offered the security, the surety bond, to fulfill that obligation if trump defaults. the judge will, i think, permit her to engage in a hearing where they will push on the

integrity of this offering, because if, in fact, this is not sufficient surety to secure trumps debt in the event he loses on appeal, then a substitute or additional bond placed in order to avoid tish james immediately going about the business of collecting on the judgment by going after trumps properties. >> molly, the l.a. times is reporting that some members of the house january 6th committee are talking about preparing for retribution that they might face from trump if he is re-elected. what's your reaction to that? >> they're right to be worried. trump tells you what he's going to do, and we've heard kash patel, in case we're not worried, we've heard kash patel saying he's going to lock up members of the media. this is the sort of hungary autocrat kind of thing that trump world has been shopping as a possible, the revenge

tour, if he gets back in office. and i think they're right to worry about that. that is a real concern. but it really does bring back into stark relief that this is not a normal election. this is not a normal presidential candidate. we live in a democracy, we have never faced a president who was once president running again saying that he plans to lock up his political enemies. this is really wild stuff. >> it is the most important point to make every day. this is not a normal election, these are not two candidates running against one another about run-of-the-mill policies. our democracy is on the line. molly, thank you so much. one day i hope you guys get to see her secret notes, joyce, peter, congratulations, we're going to check back in with you later, when we come back next, failure to launch. no labels drops its third-party bid for president, wonder what

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no labels is officially no more.

in a statement today, ceo nancy jacobson announced that the group would end its efforts to launch a third-party ticket after no candidates emerged. that leaves only one third- party candidate left, rfk junior, and his campaign has some democrats freaked out and ready to mobilize. back with us tonight, jennifer palmieri, former white house communications director for president obama, and tim miller host of the bulwark podcast and a former communications director for jeb bush. the threat of a no labels ticket is gone, they couldn't find a candidate, what's your take? >> i'm one of those democrats is freaked out about rfk junior and i'm ready to mobilize, stephanie. i think, i hope what happens with no labels will repeat itself, here, although i think this is more complicated. democrats, anti-trump forces are aligned, and the fact that all of these candidates who

look to the possibility, who are serious, serious leaders that possibly joining the no labels ticket, and decided that no one would do it. that's an early indicator of concern in the populace writ large about the possibility of trump, and it reflects a larger concern that democrats can not be complacent about, but can count on will be there to fight trump. now you've got to turn that to rfk junior, who even if he gets a small portion of the vote, and he's more complicated because his appeal could be that he appears to be independent, starting to see a lot of questions arise about funding, being backed by trump supporters, some questions today about pro pardoning january 6th comments that they made. he seems to be someone who is aligned with trump, not who he

claims to be, not as independent as he claims to be. that will really hurt him, but this notion of someone who is independent and not of either party is a real threat, even if it's just two, three percentage points. that could be a margin of victory. >> before we get to rfk, what's your take on what happened to no labels? for months, nancy and her squad were out there fundraising, full steam ahead. >> i felt from the start that nancy jacobson and the big no labels donors were mostly delusional about the possibility that they could find a candidate, about the possibility that that candidate could win, about what the impact of such a candidate would be. there were people out there who thought, who argue that this was a nefarious effort, that this was a trump stalking horse, and i think it's worth saying, i never felt that way. i think it's clear today based

on the decision that that was not the case, with respect, i think that what this really was was a lot of naoveti from people in the group, and a lot of rich people in new york who thought there was a broader interest in a center-right, sender candidate, most people who are in that vein, harper joe biden, joe biden, occupies the center of this race, maybe he's more left than various people would want them to be on one issue or another, broadly speaking is acceptable, donald trump is unacceptable, it's hard to recruit somebody in that environment, and that's why they came up empty. >> jennifer, you mentioned some of the things that make rfk junior sound and be more right than he realized. but, the voters he could potentially pull, are they actually paying attention to the ins and outs of what he says, or are they drawn to this

new phase, different guy, young vp candidate, coming from silicon valley, and they don't actually know what they're getting into, but he could attract young voters that president biden is banking on. >> i think right now there are polls that show him getting about 14% of the vote, or at least i've seen those in the last couple of months, and i think you're right, people are exhausted by the current political stalemate, it sounds like something new, they like the name of a kennedy. and they like his first add that he did was very well done, it was, are you tired of both sides, here's something different, and that could sound like a relief. but it's only been a couple of months where people started to look at him seriously, there's a couple of groups that have formed to take him on, and the dnc is doing that as well. and already, people will be

educated about who this guy is and what he's really for. i think that will turn off a large swath of voters, that's a chunk of voters he will lose. there is the messaging that needs to happen about, you help him, you're helping elect trump. there is one way to stop donald trump and that is to elect joe biden as president, and of discussion. that will also take away a number of voters for him in the end. then there's a question of, who hangs on? because they find him appealing for whatever reason. those people might be turned off if they learned who is funding him, if he doesn't appear to be as independent as he is. i think those are the three lanes that democrats that are trying to stop him can look at. it's not who he says he is, there's a lot of crazy stuff that he is for, and if you vote for him you're going to help trump. i feel pretty good about our ability to make those arguments, but still, one, two percentage points could be the difference. it's scary. >> tim, what do you think?

>> i aligned with a lot of what jennifer said. i think there's one i would add to this, democrats don't want to bank on this, but the very core of rfk support is pretty trump, antiestablishment, anti- vaccine, that engaged type of voter. not that engaged, and the democratic process broadly and maybe hasn't voted a lot in midterms or primaries. that maps to a trump voter. i think if rfk is down at two, 3%, i think that's a big question about who he actually hurts. you might heard trump if he's at that level the number. once you get beyond that when we get into the categories that jennifer was talking about, i think that's a concern for joe biden, is if rfk gets up to eight, nine, 10, 11%, a lot of those voters are going to be part of the democratic coalition traditionally, black voters, younger voters, people

that aren't happy with joe biden, maybe about gaza, maybe about inflation and are looking at rfk as an offramp, those of the people the biden campaign really needs to communicate to and educate about the far right of use of rfk today going around with rfk's support, or at least openness to pardoning the january 6th rioters, for example. educating those voters about the democratic traditional democratic base for rfk's radicalism is going to be the key for joe biden. >> pardoning the january 6th insurrectionist's is elaine i will never, what voter is going, right on, that's a great idea? thank you both. >> maga voters. >> it's ridiculous. thank you both for being here. i appreciate it. it leaves me speechless. when we come back, president biden's serious warning for israel. we're going to break down his tense call with prime minister

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today, president biden spoke with prime minister benjamin netanyahu after the israeli air strike that killed seven aid workers in gaza. nbc news gabe gutierrez has the details. >> reporter: tonight, president biden is warning israel that without immediate action to protect the billions in its war against hamas, u.s. policy

towards its staunch ally will change. the direct message coming during a phone call between the president and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> the president emphasized that the strikes of humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable. >> reporter: the 30 minute call was the first between the two leaders in nearly three weeks. the white house says the president made clear the need for israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers. the white house has repeatedly said israel faces a genocidal threat from hamas, just this week saying there will be no change in policy. two u.s. officials tell nbc news the president today strongly implied he may condition american military aid to israel on whether netanyahu makes immediate changes over humanitarian concerns in gaza, including getting to a cease-

fire. the white house saying changes must happen in days, or even hours. >> you think the prime minister is really listening? >> i think it was evident in the phone call today. it was a good discussion. direct, no question. a good discussion. >> reporter: today's call was arranged in direct response to the israeli strike that killed seven world central kitchen workers, including 33-year-old jacob, a dual american canadian citizen. nbc ralph sanchez spoke with his parents. >> we are two people who suffered, we've lost our only son. but we are only two. there are thousands and thousands. >> reporter: israel says the strike was a grave mistake and was not intentional. >> here to discuss, cnn's chief national security analyst and anchor. the author of the new book, the

return of the great powers, russia, china, and the next world war. is out now. peter baker is back with us. the biden administration is trying to walk a really difficult, thin line between supporting israel's fight against hamas, and strongly encouraging them to protect civilians. how hard is that? >> very hard, and hasn't been successful until now. he's pushing further along that line, you're talking about my going further than he has before in saying he's going to leverage american support, specifically american support for israel he response to his concerns over humanitarian issues and civilian casualties in gaza. you saw the beginning of a response tonight, israel said to open up a crossing in the north, gaza had been closed until now, and opened a port for more humanitarian goods. the administration tells us that they expect more commitments by netanyahu's government in the hours and days to, that would match the

demands made by the president. we'll see how far they are willing to go, whether it's enough to satisfy the president. for now, he's willing to take a stronger position that he's been urged to take by other democrats for quite some time, without completely cutting off support from israel, that something he doesn't want to do. he wants netanyahu to respond to this push on his part in order to keep the support going. >> let's talk about what respondent means, in the last few hours israel has agreed to increase humanitarian aid delivery. is that going to be enough to repair the damage in the relationship with the u.s.? we had the head of save the children on two nights ago, she describes the current situation in gaza as on earth. >> gaza is facing the prospect of imminent famine. the two pieces that the administration is demanding, here, one is get more aid in, and you're seeing that immediate response, opening the crossing, opening the port, et

cetera. but the other piece is to take substantial changes that protect civilians better, and protect aid workers better. the fact is in the last 24 hours, we've seen other civilians killed by israeli air strikes, so those changes have not taken place yet, and israel has not yet articulated what those changes, what those new standards are going to be, and we're celebrating the result of israel's investigation of just how this deadly strike on world central kitchen took place. that's the second piece. the administration is demanding we haven't seen israel's answer yet. >> jeremy, your book explores the uncertain global world order, and what the next world war could be. as the tension between the u.s. and israel grows, so does the threat of a wider war, with israel's bombing of an iranian embassy complex this week, it's

more and more complicated. i know you think a lot about the ongoing conflicts, how does this one fit in? >> no question. when you think of the great powers, russia and china, their relationship with the u.s., you see russia and china, to some degree, watching america's troubles in the middle east drawn into a conflict, there, drawn into a dispute, a public dispute with one of its closest allies, as serving russia's interest in the region, to occupy the u.s., distract it from the war in ukraine, create dissension in the ranks, as it were, among the allies. and also present the possibility of a broader war. this is straight out of the russian playbook, stir the pot, throw more fuel on the fire, so all these events we're seeing serve russia's interests in this broader power conflict. russia is not just watching, it's good reading, meeting with hamas officials, sending service to air missiles to hezbollah. this suits russia's interest as

well in a broader great power conflict. >> president biden just signed off on more arms for israel, congress is considering a plan to send jets in the future. they say these plans have been in the works for months. but, do these plans undercut the message the president just delivered to netanyahu today? >> notice the timing. first, you get the arms, then you get a tough pressure. at the moment the pressure on israel is, to some extent alleviated because they don't have an immediate need for for more weapons since they just got a shipment. having said that, there is a risk on the part of the israelis of losing president biden, because he is the one person in washington who is the most important to them in prosecuting this war, because they have lost a lot of the democrats in congress, they have lost a lot of the american public according to polls, they have lost people inside the biden administration. it's the president who has been insistent that israel has the

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a normal election involves the political parties, nominating a candidate, their perspective candidates, through an entire process, lots of vetting is changed over the decades, but nevertheless they name their candidates. and the candidates then will debate the issues, and present different ideas to the american people, where they stand. and there's a certain amount of image, but nevertheless, that's what it is. that's not happening now. that's just not happening. >> people might say, that's not happening but that's not that big of a deal. you're far more alarmed than that. your historian, how would you compare what we're experiencing now to another point in history? >> there is nothing, nothing in

american history that is anywhere close to what we're going through now, that's part of the problem. that's why it's so abnormal. examples. parties, political parties. you had a democratic party and the republican party. republican party doesn't exist anymore. as we knew it. >> one could argue there a publican party has morphed to represent what republican voters want, and that's donald trump. i'm not disagreeing. >> i get it. >> you're saying we should be alarmed and scared. you're not telling me something scary yet. >> because donald trump, period. it's not just moved and turned and gotten in popularity, they changed from the conservative party to a populist party. a populist party is outside the norms of american history. we don't have them. they come and go, but not at this level. this level the people, the people they have, trump everything as it were. they were more important the

constitution. more important to the rule of law. by the way, who to the deem respond to? there is always the maximum leader and the man who says i'm the only person who can do this. >> and how should we be covering this election? if it is just donald trump's a problem, you can't just say c well, we don't like this candidate so let's cover him. how should we be framing it? >> it is anterior process. it is not just the candidate himself. it is what the candidate has to offer. what the candidate is talking about. the candidate is not talking in a normal way about the issues. maybe he will mention the tariff every once in a while. he is promising. listening to what he the talking about. believer what he is talking about when he says he will be a dictator on day one or round up you guys. believe him. >> we do cover that every day. what are you saying we are getting wrong? >> because you have, why cover the primaries? there is nothing going on there. it's all silliness. the trappings normalize trump.

trump becomes something other than what he is because he looks like a normal candidate. he is not. >> this takes me to project 25. many, many people don't even know what it is. it was founded by the american heritage group. it was not officially connected to the campaign. however, they have laid out a 900 page plan for what trump should do day one in office. one of the central tenants is to remove the guardrails that actually kept trump from going off the rails and getting a lot of scary things done last time around. >> you got it. they plan to gut the executive branch, the civil service, and everything. and a point people are basically, allegiances to trump. to trump. at every level.

the federal reserve. pretty important institution. they will gut it. they will put in his people. >> do you think people realize that? >> no. but i think that is what has to be covered. there's a lot of things that it is not so much how they cover things. it's what's not covered. and that has not been mentioned at all. these are profound differences. because they are llnot just taking away the guardrails. it is promoting a system of government, that is anti- democratic. >> what do we do with all veof the people who are exhausted from being outraged? i guess you would say you can't be exhausted. there is too much at stake. >> i would say that. >> they don't understand democracy being its state. >> he will be able to appoint

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