denied. the young girl at the heart of the tragedy? >> i really feel that my niece is the true victim in all of this. it is so tragic. i just don't have words for what she is going to have to come to terms with, to understand as she gets older. it is really tough. >> reporter: paula plans to make sure that the daughter of shauna tiaffay never forgets . >> we talk about her mom, how much she loved her and what we think her mom would want for her now. that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. watchin hello and welcome to morning joe weekend. it's 6:00 this saturday morning. we have a lot to get to. take a look at some of the big conversations we have had this past week. >> new national polling finds

president biden and donald trump died in the general election. in the latest survey they are in a dead heat. polls shows all third party candidates getting 2% or less. law school poll finds biden at 52%, trump at 48% which is with in the margin of error. that's a reversal of the same numbers in february and in the swing state of pennsylvania the latest poll finds joe biden at 48%, trump at 38% among registered voters. that falls with in the margin of error as well. alex thomason with israel, inflation, abortion, a lot of issues that could move voters one way or the other between now and november. what do you make of the polls?

any trends standing out? >> absolutely. we are in peak choose our own polling adventure right now. the truth is you can find polls. you saw them that showed trump ahead in pennsylvania. what we are seeing over the last month is that joe biden has been closing that gap. if you are joe biden the thing that will really make you a little more optimistic is that trump's numbers really have not moved since the four years ago and those numbers still remain under 50%. the truth is that it looks like there is sort of a nonmaga majority in this country. the question is whether or not with all of these divisions with in the party can joe biden really rally all those people? can he really put down the threats of these third party candidates? cornell west on palestine, rfk jr. using that kennedy name to help himself and the truth is we really don't know. you will see, you know, donald

trump saying were you better off and he is depending on covid is amnesia. >> nearly every day the biden campaign says four years ago donald trump did this and it's almost always a disaster response. ? the pennsylvania poll does seem like a bit of an outlier. we haven't seen ten point spreads in any battleground state and it's a small sample size. it's worth noting some of the other polls. there are trend lines and right now biden seems to have some momentum. the race is very close. we know that. these national polls are more or less a dead heat. most have him up a little or a dead heat. there is a sense that the biden campaign has more money and they suggest they have more

votes to pick up. they think that they have more ability to grow the base of support. they feel like trump is at his ceiling. they have said all long that they feel like the independent swing voters will land with biden more they hear of trump all year long and think to themselves we can't go back to that. >> yeah. you know, jim, that pennsylvania poll -- franklin and marshall, a good poll and shows the ten point lead. it's an outlier. that said we have trend lines, some polls since the state of the union that have shown trend lines and as you know better than anyone it doesn't show up immediately. right after the state of the union republicans were like the state of the union didn't make a difference. i have to say -- as far as the defining moments ago that state of the union was a defining moment because it blew up the lie that republicans had been

pushing, that fox news pushes every day and that right wring podcasters push every day that joe biden is out of it. that joe biden is not this and that. let me tell you something. joe biden, that showed america, showed over 30 million people that he could give better than he even gets. he was on top of his game. he made the republicans look foolish time and time again and i guess the shock for me is that republicans are always so stupid. first of all to keep picking a loser as their nominee in donald trump but they also underestimate joe biden. up until the point when they loose and then they go we underestimated him again. >> they also underestimate the movement of voters on issues like abortion access and other things that are motivating people. i will say in the post state of

the union it's important to remind everybody that after the state of the union the republican talking point in the fox news talking point was that biden was on drugs and needed to take a drug test. i think the other thing that was an important marking point that was that same week or about -- in the week after is the realization among some voters and this may be some of what we are seeing in -- a little bit of movement though i don't think even the biden campaign thinks they are up by ten point, is it became clear that trump was the nominee. that is something that the biden team has been saying will say to anyone who asks them. they knew in advance of that during the primary that it still wasn't clear to voters. now its clear trump is the nominee and that's an opportunity for them to bring people home, haley isn't on the ballot and to use what they have as a financial advantage and organizational advantage over the next couple of months. we will see how that works. >> and one other thing we have

seen is the biden campaign is doing something that nobody has done to donald trump, that even the biden campaign didn't do much. they are getting in his face. they are mocking him, he says i -- my tournament. my golf tournament. >> i don't think he gets it though when -- >> he may not get the mocking but it is constant. it's mocking and they are doing something that i think -- on abortion absolutely devastating. they are using donald trump's own words as their most potent political weapon. on the affordable care act, you name it, on social security when trump said maybe social security could be cut. they are going after him and using his own words against him and mocking him in a way that i think starting to show up in the polls. >> absolutely. i mean as he often says, you

know, don't compare me against the almighty, compare be against the alternative and he is making sure that everybody knows the alternative this is from the top down. joe biden has a -- i think it's fair to say, hatred of donald trump. this is a raw, emotional distaste and hatred that is coming joe biden. that's what you are seeing onto trail to make sure that as many americans as possible feel the same way as he does. >> morning joe weekend returns after a short break. i don't have a problem with my memory." memory loss is, is not something that occurs overnight. i started noticing subtle lapses in memory. i want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. it's helped my memory. it's helped my cognitive qualities.

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i read an article and it does -- the first paragraph jumps off the page. i'm so glad you brought it up. in today's economy voters v ib es battle with clear cut data

is the headline. greg, if wall street journal latest poll 74% said inflation is moving in the wrong direction this year. the assessment which holds across all seven states is startling and not true. this is not an opinion. this isn't something on which reasonable people can disagree. if hard data counts for anything we can say that inflation has moved in the right direction in the past 12 months and he explains how things are going well with inflation. this is absolutely vexxing that people are saying how is your personal situation? i'm doing great. i'm doing better than in a long time. 75% of americans and then in this poll the question is, how are things going in your state? our state. our state economy is going

great. most of them -- the state economy is doing really well. the majority -- i mean -- north carolina 64%. i mean 57% wisconsin voters, 59% georgia voters. i mean pretty darn strong in most of the states and then you ask how is the national economy? and it's like again, 63%, it's horrible. horrible. terrible. this is -- this is strange. it's not connected to reality. the wall street journal is exactly right. it's so much misinformation spewed out there that people are believing the lies even though their own economic situation is good. >> it's even crazier than that. one of the questions said to you believe that your retirement and savings and money in the market -- in the last year, just in the last year is doing better or worst and they said worse and you can look at the screen. any screen, you can look at the

stock market which will show you that your retirement money is higher and yet the majority of the folks are saying that it's lower. it's literally like, you know, telling you -- like saying its raining when it's sunny. >> it's raining most days. it's an easy mistake to make. john, let's bring you in on this. this is -- this is one of the fundamental questions about this election. how are you feeling about the economy? it's vexed the biden white house. they say it's good but they aren't getting credit for it and as this piece points out this the this -- where people feel good about their own situation but not about it nationwide and they aren't giving the president credit. >> well that's right and part of the problem is that the -- the economy is in a good place and in a macro sense that's 100% true. i think if andrew wanted to say

i was wrong i would bow to him because he knows more than me but the problem is that the lagging -- the indicator that has changed, has improved the least quickly and with still nag ging problems is inflation. >> you're right. >> we have seen a tapering off but on the question of fuel costs, grocery costs, housing costs, people are still feeling it and that is the thing that affects everybody. it's not a thing that affects if you are employed, unemployed, rich, middle class, poor, doesn't matter, it hits everybody and they feel it in a direct way. and one of the things that's been a challenge for the biden white house is that it is never a -- a successful political strategy to tell people that they are wrong in how they are feeling about the economy. you cannot argue people out of their feelings. you cannot preach to them about

how if you just understand this economic data better, you're just wrong. you have to say to them we know that prices are still too high. we know you're still feeling it in your pocket book. now, look at all the progress we have made. this is the -- this is the thing we still have to get after. give us some more time because you know what will be worse with donald trump. he is not on your side. we're on your side. we fixed a lot of stuff. this thing -- we need work. we made progress but not enough. there's not enough of that i think, acknowledgement on the administration's part that there is a real thing that people feel in america which is prices still too high. >> yeah. >> but jim if you -- i understand all that and i agree with john. don't be condescending and say that the world is something that it's not. when the majority of voters tell you their economic situation is great, when -- when the majority of voters tell you that things are going

well in their state and then they -- the economy nationwide is horrible i'm sorry but if you looked at certain cable news channels you would think we were in the middle of a great depression, that illegal immigrants were racing through schools across america stabbing people in the face, and that -- that leprosy is going to be spread by migrants going across the border and that trans athletes are coming to your middle school to beat up your -- 6th grade girl. turn it on any time and it's the economy is in free fall. migrants are coming to kill you and trans athletes. it's a constant churning of

these messages and it hasan impact on polls after -- after 24-7. >> of course it does. i have never heard the leprosy one. that's a new one but probably out there in the eco system. >> you have not been listening close enough through the years. migrants are bringing leprosy to america. >> need to listen more and right wing information. i do think -- i agree with what john just said. i think a key thing here -- i remember back in -- you may all too, you probably do, back to 2012 when obama ran for re- election. i worked on his campaign. the economy was not actually great at the time. it was improving, hard to -- hard to communicate, that things are less bad but the message that worked was not about data. people don't vote on data even if data is better. they vote about how that feel. some of that is the cost of things. can you buy a car? can you get affordable housing

which is a huge problem but part is who you are fighting for as a candidate. that is the strongest economic argument. i think that the whole eco system you are talking about that -- is a huge problem and part of their problem because the president is actually gone out and done a lot of economic events. they don't breakthrough. people don't see them but for locally. they spent tens of millions of dollars in paid media. it hasn't worked. it's more about how people are feeling how joe biden will make them feel and fight for them than it is about the data which is what people continue to, you know, talk about out there. >> all right. we want to get to tom rogers. you are focusing on the streaming wars which has a lot of implications on how people get their entertainment and news. one casulty appears to be a growing one at least, local news. i spent 20 years in local news and back then when i left local news they were cutting, cuts were cutting and more cutting

there was so much cutting i can't even imagine the status of local news now. tell us why it matters and what is happening? >> well, as you saw from our discussion about disney and the broader streaming wars, all that gets a lot of coverage. what hasn't gotten much coverage is what happens in terms of local tv stations, local news, coverage of local and state election races and the candidates and what cutting has meant is that tv stations loose audience. by virtue of that we have a real issue developing in terms of local news. we know what's happened when it comes to local newspapers. we have lost about 3,000 newspapers over the last 20 years and that's accelerating. we are losing two to three local newspapers every week now. that puts more pressure on local tv, both tv stations and

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the president was outraged and heartbroken by an israeli strike that killed seven world kitchen aid workers in gaza. in a statement he wrote this conflict has been one of the worst in recent memory in terms of how many aid workers have been killed. this is a major reason why distributing humanitarian aid in gaza has been so difficult because israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately

needed help to civilians. he added incidents like yesterday should not happen. israel has also not done enough to protect civilians. strong words, the strike killed seven humanitarian workers on monday including a dual united states citizen. more than 200 aid workers have been killed in the war so far according to the white house. benjamin netanyahu that israel regrets the tragic incident and that we will do everything in our power to ensure that such tragedies do not happen in the future. i got to tell you -- i'm glad the president spoke out strongly but this has got to stop. >> it really does. and, and richard, it's -- it's -- continues and there's very powerful op ed that dropped in

the new york times last night by jeff jose andreas talking about how they coordinated their movements with idf. they had taken all precautions that needed to be taken and let me just read you some of his words. they are very powerful, strong words. he said israel is better than the way this war is being waged. it is better than blocking food and medicine to civilians. it is better than killing aid worker who had coordinated with the idf. the israeli government needs to open more land routes for food and medicine today. it needs to stop killing civil yanks and aid workers. it needs to start the long journey to peace today. richard, israel and the supporters of israel which i am, have been, always will be, will be fooling themselves if

they don't think that the overwhelming number of americans agree with jose that this is just enough and they need to focus on a permanent cease fire. they need to focus on -- need to focus on getting the hostages home and they need to focus on creating a world moving forward without hamas and of course in israel it'll be without benjamin netanyahu and maybe, just maybe, then, we can take the first step of a thousand steps toward a two state solution. >> look, joe. exactly right. there are so many fault lines which have come out in the last 24 hours. let's start with the -- the world central kitchen incident. look, this is -- this didn't come out of the blue as you heard from the white house. you had roughly 200 aid workers have been killed. also 20,000 civilians in gaza,

put aside the hamas fighters. let's say about 20,000 civilians. what this says to me is that israel's approach to the war doesn't place enough focus on avoiding either aid workers or civilians. and then you obviously have a question of competency. why was an identified vehicle still targeted in could have you that degree of incompetence? neither one is reassuring. you know and for the first time the israeli government reacted. they understood what a pr disaster this was and is. that doesn't change the basics. this wasn't an exception. >> that is such a good point. it's not. it shows there has been -- as joe biden has been worried about and warning about,

indiscriminate bombing. we know about these seven aid workers but haven't talked about -- it hasn't made the front pages, the other workers that have died because of this bombing. it is just like the hostages that broke free from their captors, shirtless, arms in the air, doing everything they are supposed to do and they got shot by the idf. how many times do you think that's happen when it's not been israeli hostages? it's just the truth. how many times? you know, i -- crazy me i'm actually worried about the future of israel. i'm worried about americans loving israel as much as i love israel. i'm worried about what benjamin netanyahu with this offensive is doing. the more the protests rise against benjamin netanyahu and

the more pressure he feels the more petrol so to speak he throws on the flames. just going to happen because he knows he can't leave power. he gets sent to jail so he will hurt israel's standing in the world even more. he will get us even further away from getting the hostages home all because he has got to make himself seem like the -- needed man by creating higher stakes in this war. >> with whatever the motives, the prospecks of possibility of a longer war went up. how israel does and how it waits going after hamas verses getting the hostages back and we started with the protest in israel about that. the attack on the iranian compound in syria.

woe can argue that separately. the wisdom of that and i think there was some case for doing it but it does increase the odds that now this war will grow wider. i think the chances of something with hezbollah go up. what we are seeing and it's tragic is none of the preconditions, none of the prerequirements of a calming either in the gaza front, or more broadly with lebanon, it's like an earthquake zone with multiple fault lines and several are going off at once and they reinforce each other so every once in a while you hope that out of bad news there could be a glimmer of good news. >> this is obviously has drawn widespread condemnation. we have teen it everywhere. those vehicles couldn't be marked more clearly. you have other aid organizations now pausing their efforts saying we don't know

that it's safe for our aid workers to go into gaza given what happened with world central kitchen. what is the spot now that the president has been in for a long time but that was made much worse by what happened? we can talk about domestic politics, we saw a little bit in the primaries but on the international stage what is the spot he is? ? >> those vehicles couldn't have been better marked. it looks like one of the missiles went through the will go of the world central kitchen. right through the logo and just killed everybody inside. it should be noted this mistake hit comes a day after the precision strike that killed the iranian general in syria. it's hard to reconcile the two things. there's real political pressure. there is a uncommitted vote in wisconsin. it's a protest vote about gaza. it's the primaries. there's a belief a lot of them will come home to president biden. they won't all. there's real anger there and that won't dissipate. and now we have a moment where

the president -- and -- this has been from behind the scenes for a while. the president is furious at prime minister netanyahu but still -- they haven't conditioned weapons sales or aid. maybe it comes. this happened a week or two before this rafah offensive. >> i'm so sick of hearing how upset the president is. if he wants to stop arm sales. if he wants to stop the bombs that are killing civil ans he can. he has the power. we don't need him going -- and his aids going and talking about how upset they are. what happened yesterday still will happen. at the conference the -- the head of the palestinian red crescent spoke and was moving.. she spoke about the difficulty of aid getting in the country period from the north or south. she described the process that was like the tsa changing the

rules every single day going through airport security. until those checkpoints are working and aid is going through we don't need to be giving more arm sales or money. it needs to stop. it needs to be conditional. it's ridiculous that it's going on unchecked and unpetterred and we are sitting around and talking how upset we are while we hemorrhage billions of dollars. >> coming up chris christie was the first and loudest critic of trump in the primaries so why hasn't the biden administration used him in their fight to beat trump? and built for adventure. which can also be your own quiet cabin in the woods. the fully electric q8 e-tron. an electric vehicle that recharges you.

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you have a new piece called why hasn't biden called chris christie where you write about a possible chris christie independent run and independents who say biden isn't reaching out to them. tell us what you think chris christie could do for the biden campaign. >> it's bigger than just chris christie. it's every single anti trump figure in the gop has not heard from president biden which i find to be remarkable given that biden is going to need a coalition similar to what he had in 2020. >> like who? beyond chris christie. >> mitt romney, susan collins,

todd young, the senators, people like mark esper, figures from the trump administration. he will need every oar in the water from liz cheney to aoc. that's the coalition to defeat trump and you have to have that center right flank with you. you don't have to roll them out now. it is april but you have to start lining these folks up and i can't understand for the life of me why joe biden of all people does not recognize that these folks need a personal touch, that you have to start laying the ground to get them out. not all of them are going to endorse biden. some never will but they will go after trump or they will at least stay quiet. it's important on biden if he does think this is a different sort of election that's not just left verses right but the democracy is at stake it's important on him to start reaching out to the folks now. >> so, i just want to go to

donnie for a second on -- and then back to -- on this. donnie, it's just -- i understand that all hands on deck for the biden campaign. i do and -- jay makes a great point but can we sit with this on the day after easter for one more second ? it's the people who, you know, celebrate the presence of god in their lives but -- and i understand what chris matthews was saying about the income levels of trump supporters of the base, many of them being very poor and if you look at history, especially the history of europe, there's a lot of very frightening parallels to be made there. i'm now talking about the people who go to mar-a-lago on a saturday night and then church on a sunday morning. i -- i can't understand -- the donors on the list that they

put out ; whatever, they accept god in their lives and they follow the messages, and yet they follow this man who delivers a daily dose of cruelty and self love to the table. explain it to me. you know some of these people. >> and they make me sick actually. chris's explanation of why poor people, you say to them, everything sucks i will blow it up. they are buying it. it's a simple primal message. the people that i can't get through and i understand -- i know a lot of them, that make me sick are the people that this country has been good to and here is a guy saying i'm going to change everything. if you -- you aren't going to have the right to vote, you aren't going to have the right to watch the tv you want to. i will have the military turn on you if i want them to. everything that -- that they have kind of been taken

advantage of it makes me sick and i don't understand these people. is it purely that, you know what? this country, i like -- this country has been traditionally white. i don't like what's happening to this country. is it that they -- they just are so, so insular -- they make me sick the people with money in this country. any billionaire that's going for donald trump. do you need a tax break that badly? has this country not been great to you and you want to blow it up? you don't worry about your grandchildren being able to vote? shame on you. anyone. i understand the people that chris are talking about. i understand the primal instinct that i want everything to change but this country has been good to you and you listen to this demonic figure, about how he will blow everything up. shame on you. >> so let's talk about that messaging. you -- and your piece note that the biden camp hasn't reached out to the republicans but what

about the voters around this table here. is that messaging coming? do they think it can work? >> i think that biden can work at the margins, working class voters. i think he has to challenge trying to keep working class black and hispanic men in the coalition. that will be a serious challenge. he is not going to reverse the years long trends among working class white voters in this country and -- instead he has to take advantage of what could be called the nikki haley coalition. look at last week. the primary been over for a month. 22% of republican voters last week in the biggest county of arizona around phoenix didn't vote for donald trump for president. 22%. the primary has been over for a while. those are the kind of voters that biden needs to get back. he had a lot of them in 20 and he can't afford them to stay

home or go to trump this time. i just think -- if talking about working class white voters, you can try to keep what you had at 20 but it's not going to get better. it's probably going to get worse but you can compensate by trying to get more center right voters who can't stomach trump but have a reluctance to get behind biden but they are still in play and i think six months of trump saying crazy stuff will be the entree but it's important to have validators. have you to have people who are saying that -- it's okay, republican voter in scottsdale to vote for joe biden. if that's people like paul ryan, and maybe george w bush who has been quiet for a long time. >> i was wondering. i was wondering about him. >> up next gilian anderson stops by to talk about her new role and why she almost turned that part down.

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that is a look at the new film scoop inspired by real life events that follow its the british reporters who landed that infamous interview with prince andrew on bbc news night about his relationship with jeffrey epstein. joining us are two of the film's stars. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> it's extraordinary to go back and watch the real

interview. it is shocking just to watch how this thing just unravels in realtime. you play the woman who interviewed prince andrew. how did you approach this when you first heard about it? was it something that compelled you? that scared you? that was -- what was it like? >> it repulsed me. the idea of playing someone in our faces in the uk on a regular basis and that everybody knows really well and is still alive obviously. you know the story is compelling enough and the script was fantastic and it felt like a fun challenge. >> and you -- obviously are playing emily, a real journalist at the bbc. did you want to get close to her and get to know her or did you need distance from it? >> she is in the process of doing her own project about the same topic and so was not really interested in

communicating about it. you know there's a lot of footage that's out there about her and of her, lots of interviews, listening to her audio book and just studying, studying. >> so your character, billy, is the booker who makes this happen as we said in the break, a great moment for bookerns to be celebrated in this show. what did you know about that interview? what was your reaction to it and how did you approach your character? >> i think i shared the same response as everybody else which was how has this happened? how did this end up on our screens. how was this passed and then -- i followed the story very closely where the script came about. i was really gassed to be part of something about this sort of unsung hero, this woman behind the scenes that nobody really knew about. and that we met a lot of times

and, you know, it was a gift that the script was so brillint and i met sam and this woman is kind of ground breaking. she is such a force of nature and how -- how doesn't anyone know about her? she was so integral and it was a gift and we spent a great deal of time together. i was studying her but it was -- i guess less -- because she wasn't as public facing. >> sure. an important moment when your characters learn prince andrew has agreed to do the interview. >> no commitments. no promises but they agreed to meet. >> right. this stays in this room. just the four of us. if it leaks that we are even meeting it could get spooked. whatever you need it's yours. >> actually there was one thing i think that will help a lot. >> name it.

emily. >> i've never been smuggled into a palace before. >> we don't scare them off. we play nice. be respectful. >> relax. i got this. how difficult can it be talking to the queen's son about his friendship with a convicted sex offender? >> what a moment that is. you worked with the bbc and at the bbc. you can offer insights. >> congratulations. i know emily well and you have done a great po rt rayal of her. when an interview comes up like this there's a lot of tension

around it. i was just wondering how you recreated that tension? how did you prepare for the actual interview scene to give the audience a sense of how high stakes it was? >> we didn't prepare together. we prepared separately. i was off doing my preparation. he was off doing his preparation. we came together on the day of the interview, having not practiced it at all and we knew that we were going to be doing the interview from the beginning to end. it's about 20 minutes and they had recreated the entire -- the entire room of that wing of the palace and had all the cameras up that were in the room at the time of the interview plus our cameras. and, we sat down and we got microphones on and the director, phillip martin said,

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hey there, and welcome back to morning joe weekend. it's 7:00 this morning and we have lots more to get to. let's take a look at more of the important conversations we had in the past week.

>> the israeli military filed a report and said it had fired two top officers following a deadly air strike that killed seven world central kitchen workers in gaza. in a statement, the idf announced the findings of an internal probe following the strike, writing in part, the investigation found the forces identified a gunman on one of the aid trucks, following which they identified an additional gunman after they left the warehouse. one of the commanders mistakenly thought the gunmen were in the vehicles and that these were hamas terrorists. the world central kitchen responded to the report. in a statement the group called the firing of the military officers an important step forward but reiterating earlier demands for the creation of an independent commission to investigate the killings of their wck colleagues saying the idf can't be trusted to take care of its own.

joining us now is senator chris murphy of connecticut, from the foreign relations committee. good morning. let's talk about the call between president biden and prime minister netanyahu. the first time the two have spoken since the death of the seven aid workers. the white house putting on the table of the possibility of conditioning the aid it gives israel. do you think that is a good idea? do you think it will happen? >> i think it is a necessary idea. i'm glad the president is putting that on the table in a private conversation and in the public readout of the meeting. i think he's right. israel has a right to defend itself. i believed that from the beginning but this cost is too high. you are talking about 13,000 children who have died in this conflict, gaza is on the brink of famine. our own terrorism experts in the united states are representing

that this conflict will have what they call a generational impact on terrorism. they don't mean it will be an a generational setback for terrorism. it means terrorist recruiters are out there having great success bringing people into the fold using the high level of civilian death as a recruiting tool. this is a moment where i think the united states needs to use all of the leverage it has to try to get israel to change its strategy. it doesn't mean ending the campaign to find, capture and kill the remaining hamas leaders. it means tactics that are much less permissive of civilian deaths, counter terrorism operations, and an immediate pause on mill tear operations tomake sure we can stem the humanitarian nightmare in gaza. >> the israeli government has taken a few steps in the prime

minister's call with president biden, more aid is able to get in,entry points have opened up. we see the report of the idf strike that kills the aid workers. but in your estimation, what more can we do as we look forward to the rafah campaign. is there a scenario where the united states congress, most of the focus is on ukraine, could they pull back because they don't want to supply israel with aid in the wake of what happened? >> i do not believe that opening a new crossing into gaza is enough. yt i was in an emergency relief organization that sends medicine into gaza and they have susspended operations, they have their partners on the ground, not because of a lot of crossings into gaza but because they simply believe that the danger to aid workers is now too

high. we have seen over 200 aid workers killed inside gaza. without a pause in military operations, i don't think you will be able to save lives. i think right now, there needs to be temporary halt so that we can get food and medicine, emergency supplies, spread throughout gaza in a way to save lives. >> as for what congress will do, i don't know. there is a group of us, about 20 that introduced an amendment in the senate to the emergency supmental bill that would have conditioned funding upon compliance with funding with humanitarian law and international laws of war. there will likely be more not less interest in the house of representatives after this latest incident with the aid workers. >> you know israel's reputation

has suffered enormously. america's reputation is suffering as well. the argument that the white house uses for not tying conditions to u.s. weapons for israel is that it gives them a seat at the table when decisions are made. is there any evidence that having the seat at the table as changed the dynamics on the ground when so many people and children have been killed? and terrorists are going to have a bonanza in the region, isn't it time for the u.s. to tie conditions to aid to israel? >> well, i think there is no doubt that president biden has had an impact. i think there is more aid getting into gaza today because of the pressure that president biden has applied. but i don't think there is enough progress. it is a moment that we have to recognize that this quiet but firm pressure the administration has been aflying is not doing

enough to advance our security interests. and again, if the result of this conflict is that nonstate terrorist actors grow in their capacity to recruit human beings and launch attacks against israel and the united states, then this campaign has not worked. what is so frustrating to many of us is that israel seems to be reluctant to learn lessons that america experienced in iraq and afghanistan where we thought through military power alone, we could eliminate a terrorist threat but we were far too cavalier about the civilian cost in places like afghanistan. and it allowed the tag ban grow. the hamas forces may be stronger at the end of this not weaker because of the damage to israel's reputation and america's reputation. it doesn't mean they should stop going after hamas but 13,000

children is too high of a price to pay. >> it is frustrating. and frustrating that you had foreign policy experts, the day after the attacks warning israel not to repeat the same mistakes that we repeated after 9/11, not the same mistakes that they have repeated through the years and unfortunately, they have done just that. senator chris murphy of connecticut, thank you so much. on a lighter note, senator, if you could ask the guys at yukon to take it easy on alabama saturday night, we would appreciate it. >> we just want a game. for the country, we will try to keep it within 25 points. >> well, hopefully the players on yukon are that overconfident as well. thank you, senator. greatly appreciate it. >> don't go anywhere. morning joe weekend returns after a short break. e weekend return

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trump posted a star studded fundraiser at mar-a-lago last night for a maga robot called kari lake. it was a who's who headline lie rozan barr. >> email me or twitter me and i will help you with my life but you have to get on because there is nothing but devil worshipping baby eating democrat elders. >> the connors, tonight on abc. >> these doing great. >> she's not doing well. so this is a story that i think is so important. it has been flying under the radar for a lot of politicians, pollsters. i remember having a conversation with a pollster who couldn't figure out why there was a

growing divide between young men and young women politically with men breaking far more to the right than women. according to a recent analysis by the economist, data shows that in rich countries, younger women are becoming sharply more liberal while their male peers are not. the evidence is here in the united states as well. the latest wall street journal poll draws only 37% of men in the seven swing states on a ballot that includes only him and trump. that is far weaker than the showing of 46% of men in the 2020 election. biden won 55% of women and 46% of men, a gap of nine points. that gap is now at 13 points due mostly to his deteriorating support among men. and willie, this is something that i remember in 2017, 2018,

talking to a friend who was the head of school at one of the most elite prep schools in america. and saying just from what i was picking up from the elite campuses, prep schools, or colleges, i said listen, you have to understand something. if you keep pushing young boys, young men into the corn rer, telling them that they are toxic subjecting they are guilty because they are men, you shove them into the corner, i promise you they will come out trumpers. whatever you think you are doing, whatever wrongs you think you are writing, you are actually doing just the opposite. and you will strengthen donald trump and you will strengthen people like donald trump with

these actions. well, he smiled, we remained friends and of course he and everyone else did absolutely nothing. and it is not just an elite prep school and elite colleges, even though that is happening there as much as it was a few years ago. you have seen it just lake so many new york city parents have. >> if you tell young boys and young men that they are toxic, that they are in some way inherently bad, at some point, they resent that and look for a place that is not telling them that and is in fact saying the opposite. so it is such a complicated and fascinating issue and i'm so glad we are doing this segment. there is something about recapturing the old version of masculinity that donald trump, podcasters and a certain culture in the country that is really putting its fidger on and trying to convince men that they can bring us back to that place. and then there is the other side

that is pushing men away in many ways. there are so many inequities of gender inequality that we need to right over centuries and centuries and we are doing better i hope. but i think you can do two things at once. as we say on this show, you can lift people up and not push people down. let's continue this conversation with the lead author of the piece we just mentioned, robert guest. good morning. great to have you on. in the piece of the economist, entitled why young men and women are drifting apart, you write about why we are seeing such divergent priorities among the sexes. and you say the divisions are education. young men are getting less of it than young women. experience, advanced countries are lez sexist and men and women experience this differently. also in democracies, many politicians on the right are

stoking young male grievances. many of the left barely acknowledge that men have real problems, but they do, starting with education. the men at the top are doing fine but many of the rest are struggling. in rich countries, 28% of boys and only 18% of girls fail to reach the minimum level of reading proficiency and women have overtaken men at university. robert, where do you start looking at the trend? what is the source of this? it was equal for many years and now it has gone a different direction. >> you start by recognizing this is not just an american problem. this is something we are seeing all around rich and developed countries, places like poland, america , france, south korea, and china. then you look at what has changed. we were careful not to exaggerate this. we got our dat ateam to look very carefully at the highest

quality polling and how it changed over time. and we found that the gap, if you put yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 from the very liberal to the very conservative, 20 years ago, it was no difference between young men and women, 18 to 29-year-olds across the rich countries. now the gap is about 0.75. that may not sound that much but most people cluster around the middle. it is a big gap. it is about twice as large as the gap between people who went to college and people who didn't go to college. if you were to go to college, you tend to skew more liberal. in america, the gap is double the average, 1.4. that's very big. that suggests that people are hearing a different account of reality and we think partly because men are more likely to be doing badly in education and that affects them in the job market, in the dating market.

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so, here's to now. boost. jeffrey, you have a new piece for the may issue of the atlantic and the title is a study in senate cowardice. you write about your interview with former republican senator rob portman of ohio at the aspen ideas festival. you specifically asked him about his vote to acquit donald trump in the second impeachment trial. you write in part this. "on stage, portman reminded me of his comments, on the night of the capital insurrection apenned, i to the senate floor and gave an empassioned speech about democracy and the need to protect it. so that's who i am. but this is incorrect. this is not who he is.

he showed the people of ohio who he is five weeks later when he voted to acquit trump, the man he knew to have fomented a violent, anti-democratic insurrection, meant to overturn the results of a fire election. portman then asked if it would be a good idea for president obama to be impeached by the new republican congress. he went on and said well, he's a former president and i think he should be out of reach. and donald trump was a former president. if you start that precedent, trust me, republicans will do the same thing. they will. it was an interesting and also pathetic point to make. portman was arguing that his republican colleagues are so corrupt that they would impeach a president who had committed no impeachable offenses simply out of spite. >> so jeffrey, this is a tough

piece. it is an important reminder about why we are where we are. the senate could have, should have impeached donald trump for knowing what they knew he did. they were at the scene of the crime. they spoke out against it in the most empassioned way. but then these senators, some of them good friends for 20 to 25 years, did what i considered to be unthinkable. they voted to acquit donald trump. the question is why? why would they acquit a guy that they know could have cost them their very lives and tried to foment an antidemocracy revolution. >> right. the why is unknowable, except to

these folks in their hearts. but we have notions of why this happened, fear for one thing, literal fear, the same sort of mob that attacked the capital, attacking them physically. they are worried about their families. probably a more broader explanation would be popularity. this is where the republican party was going. these are elected republican officials. they wanted to keep their jobs. they saw what happened to people who stepped out of line. they saw even their own colleague mitt romney being scapegoated within the capital simply for standing up for his principles. and they decided, they found excuses not to vote. we don't want to set a precedent. well, it was donald trump who set a precedent by not leaving office after he lost. that was the precedent that he set in early 2021.

so it's the usual, assortment of lame excuses that keep people in their careers. that is my best explanation for it. >> this seems to be a fundamental question of our time because it is a reminder that we didn't have to be where we are right now. if enough people took principaled stands doing what they know what was right and recognizing what they knew was wrong, knowing that donald trump fomented that. trump may be a rich guy just lobbying truth social posts into the night and it would have been inoc uous. but we talk a lot about lindsey graham who said i'm done, i'm out after january 6th. trump and i had a run and we are over. he gets chased through the airport being called a traitor and flipped. that is the fear factor. and that is lindsey graham and

we understand who he is. but why didn't some of the others say, i liked donald trump's policies and he was a good president for one term, we can't go down this road. >> the thing is they did. if you look at the statements. all you needed was ten more republicans to vote to convict. if you look at the statements, they were appalled by what happened, in shock of what happened. but time goes on and three weeks later. look, mitch mcconnell could have ended this. >> mcconnell is the guy. >> he is the guy but you know what, people like rob portman, very highly respected senator, very smart guy. but if he had built up mitch mcconnell's back bone. if he and a handful of these folk had done that, we wouldn't be be here. he is the key player besides kevin mccarthy and going to mar-a-lago. but there was a moment two or three weeks after january 6th

that 10 to 15 republicans of high stature could have gotten together and said you know what? thank you for your service, mr. president, enjoy the golf but we are totally out and we are doing this as a group. we will get some crap and we will be excoriated but we will spread out the risk. but they collapsed in the face of this fear. >> you know, they could have also, they could have talked about the riots. they could have talked about the antidemocratic attempts. they could have been very mock veilian about this and said at that time, not only did trump foment this revolt, this riot, but hose the first president since herbert hoover, in the one term to lose the white house, the senate and the house. this guy is bad news for us

republicans. if we don't impeach him for the reason he should be impeached, he could come back and cause us to lose again in 2021 which he did. 2022, which he did, 2023 which he did and 2024 which he will do. so yes, they could have acted on principle. they also if someone had been like strong enough and tough enough, they could have also grabbed people and said aren't you tired of losing? if this lindsey graham, if this ted cruz, whoever else, fill in the blank isn't enough for your moral conscious to be moved. then be let's stop losing. this guy is a loser. we hon one election and we lost. we got wiped down in '17. i can go down delaware county in pennsylvania, whether you are talking about the virginia legislature.

i could go down all of this in 2017, 18, 19, 20. the guy just loses. they could make that argument as well if they were not so scared of their own shadows. >> joe, it just shows that at that moment, three weeks after the insurrection, emotions were so raw. republicans, senators were angry that their work place had just been the site of a huge riot and they had been in danger. the tenor was trump is over, trump is crushed, let's just move on on the republican side. you didn't have them stepping up and you had an overestimation of trump being gone and instead, he is like a spider that thought they smashed out but he keeps growing his legs back but he is stronger than ever. it was a fundamental mistake to not have the 9/11 hearings immediately after when it is

fresh in the memories. we see the weakness of historical memory after two to three years and how the conspiracy theories set in. >> the off lead to jeffrey's piece on cowardice is fear. the fear still exists out there. some of your colleagues, former colleagues in the senate still seem wrapped up in the rope of fear that binds them to donald trump. why is that? why is it so deep and lasting? >> well, i would disagree that it is as much fear for themselves and their families as it is fear of not having political power. i think this whole exercise is exhibit a of how people's desire for power overcomes their integrity. overcomes their character. you know, mitch mcconnell thinks his legacy is going to be the supreme court. i would tell you that i believe

his legacy will be his failure to lead at the most critical juncture in american history. that is, are we going to go down the road where presidents are going to try to use violence to fight the will of the voters or are we not? if we look at what happened, i know all of these people. i know many of them well. they can't stand this guy. they know how bad he is. if you remember, mitch mcconnell likes to brag about how well he knows politics . he gave a speech on the floor, i know my politics. he misjudged his politics because he believed that trump under a joe biden administration would quickly go to prison. he believed that the criminal justice system would do its job in a way that would minimize the possibility of trump coming back. well, he misjudged that. we can talk about merrick

garland and him dragging his feet and all kinds of issues but that didn't happen. and now you see a continued cowardice. and bob portman wasn't even running again. give me a break. when he crumbled about free trade, i knew trouble was afoot. i know rob well. i worked with him on many things. but this is really, really, i think -- i think jeffrey's article is so spot on about the lack of courage. we have profile in courage awards at the kennedy center every year. they should have a new award for a profile in cowardice. the senate, the republican senate caucus should be the first recipient of that award. coming up, we will speak with democratic congressman collin allred who is trying to unseat ted cruz in one of the most closely watched senate races this fall. closely watched senat races this fall. it's doug... ... of doug and limu.

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granted that he mean be the next center. why with we seeing this? >> freedom is under attack. whether it is freedom to have access to abortion, the attacking of banning of books or telling kids what kind of hair style they can have in school and i see ted cruz and the extremism they represent, and that's not the texas i know. i was a four generation texan, played football in baylor, played in the nfl, represented us in congress in the last six years. i know who we are and this is not it. what we are seeing in the polls is people want to have a way to express that and to get rid of a senator that only cares about himself. >> we have been talking about the new abortion law in florida. the supreme court will uphold 6 weeks which will become law next year. are you seeing the role of abortion laws in texas as well? >> i feel for the people in florida because they will experience what we experienced,

a near total ban. 26,000 children have given birth to a rapest child according to the houston chronicle. it is a mother like kate cox who had to go to the emergency room four times. her doctor says she needs a medically necessary abortion but the state says no. and we will prosecute you, your doctor, hospital. we are at the beginning of seeing the impacts of this across texas and the university systems and medical schools and business economy where the will be harder to recruit and retain top talent. this extremism can't last. we vato rectify it at the federal level. >> we were talk about this at the top of the show with florida. there are some people who like the six week ban. but there are independents, republicans in the middle that say hold on a second, that's too far for us. >> and we have seen in the states where they banned abortion, women who are pregnant get much less good medical care. are you seeing that on the ground? >> so my state of the union

guest was an ob/gyn and she had to get an abortion because her baby didn't form correctly. her husband is also an ob/gyn. she said how difficult it is to have the conversations in these rooms. my wife and i have had two boys and every ultrasound, every test, you are holding your breath, you are hoping #g that they say there is no problem with the baby. if there is, that conversation is much harder. but talk to our medical schools. they are worried about who will be applying to come to texas, who is willing to come to texas, who wants to be an ob/gyn in texas. when you attack a right like this and make these difficult conversations more difficult, it has all of these down stream impacts that we are just beginning to experience. still ahead, how the covid pandemic has hastened the death of expertise in america. the atlantic's tom nichols joins

us with an update to his book next on morning joe weekend. boo next on morning joe weekend.

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it was four years ago this month at the height of the pandemic when then president trump offered this advice to the american public. >> supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or powerful light and i think you said that hasn't been checked and you are going to test it. and then i said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do through the skin or some other way and you said you will test that. sounds interesting. and then i see the disinfectant which knocks it out in a minute, one minute. is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside or almost a

cleaning. >> it doesn't get less staggering, four years latter. tom has a new addition of his book, the death of expertise, he explains how this steps during the pandemic had people trusting dubious sources instead of trusted leaders. i think one of the problems to that moment four years ago is it would be very difficult to trust that leader. so tell us about the new edition of the book. >> well, one of the reasons we decided to go ahead with a new version of the book is i was wrong about something that was porpt. i thought a crisis like a war, a pandemic, a depression, would bring people together and would kind of snap us out of this sort of no nothing, willful ignorance about expertise but things went

in the other direction. trust in experts got worse despite the fact that the medical community and expert community pulled off a miracle by finding a vaccine in a year, one of the few positive things to go in donald trump's column as president. we wanted to update the book because there have been so many moments of astonnishing rejections of expertise over the past 6 to 7 years since the latest edition came out. my editors and i thought we had to take a closer look at what happened during covid. a couple of things happened. we didn't expect an entire political party to invest in ignorance as strategy. that just played right into the worst parts of the pandemic to have the president saying as we just saw, the president saying, ultraviolet lights and it's going to go away and disinfectants and so on. but the expert communities made

a few mistakes as well. in this vacuum of leadership, public health officials tried to take the place of elected leaders and say, i guess we should shut everything down. we should wear masks. we don't have to wear masks. we are not sure when things should reopen. these rur decisions that political leaders should have been but were not making. and the scientists and the experts put themselves forward for that and it was a mistake. it really hurt them. the other thing that we talk about in the book was the hundreds and hundreds of doctors who told people to stay at home, not to gather in groups unless you wanted to go and protest during the george floyd outrage. that was a mistake as well. it suggested to a lot of ordinary americans that medical advice was too dependent on political orientation. so the experts have things to answer for but i think no one has more to answer for than the

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"city enruins." it's the conclusion of a fictionalized organized crime series from author don winslow. the series followed danny ryan's transformimation from a gangster to a west coast power player and to the casinos of las vegas. it also marks the final look of winslow's distinguished writing career as he pivots from novels to political videos. "the new york times" best selling author joins us now. good to see you. congrats on the book. before we shift and talk about your upcoming shift, let's talk about the book. you know people have been excited about this for along time. give us a sense of what is happening next. >> we take danny ryan who we met as a long shoreman in book number one. now he is a billionaire casino mobile trying to outrun his past. it took me 30 years to write

this trilogy. when i wrote the first one, my son was a toddler and now he is an adult. it has been the work of my lifetime. i'm proud of it and it feels like a good way to wrap things up. >> tell us what you are doing next and why. >> yeah. well, listen in 7 months, we will decide what kind of country we will be, what kind of world we will live in. i really think that democracy is a threat, dire threat. i was just watching your story, a couple of minutes ago about the justice department. so i feel it is incumbent upon people who maybe have a little bit of a platform as i do to fight in this fight. >> don, would we expect you to do some writing along with that? because clearly, when you look at the stuff you have written which has been fictional, it almost has become the reality that we are living in, in terms of some of the characters that

you have done. they are now those kinds of characters that are major if not dominant in our politics. it is not going to be a hard transition. >> i'm afraid not. you know, i don't think i will do any more novel writing. i think the situation that we are in demands more immediate responses than you can get with a novel, right, which takes years to bring out. by that time, this fight is going to be over. and you know, i don't want to write the elegy on american democracy. we do these videos now. they have had over 300 million views, 15 million just for the last few videos alone. i think that is a more effective way of communicating what he wants to communicate than a novel. >> you already have quite the social media following. tell us about the sort of issues that you will take on, and how quickly do you think you will

turn it around? >> we will turn it around quickly. it is a small shot. we are responsive to whatever is happening in the news but we are also proactive. right now, the issue is donald trump. you have a man who tried to overthrow the government of the united states going to be the next candidate for the presidency of the republican party. this can'tby allowed to happen. if donald trump is elected again, we will not recognize this country. >> that's all the time we have for today. we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. up next is the weekend with nike michael steele and simone sanders townsend. michael steele and simon sanders townsend good morning, it is