so, that aspect is a nonstarter, this idea of this being a moment to have a negotiation about the final boundaries of palestine and israel. what they are hoping to negotiate on is the release of hostages and a cease-fire. and what the terms would be of that, what needs to happen first. there is a lot of distrust, particularly in this moment, where it does not seem that either side is willing to leave what happens in the room. they are definitely playing on the interests of other parties, they are both conducting their own pr campaigns. so at the moment, hamas is saying that israel cannot negotiate in good faith when they are attacking aid workers and israel is saying that hamas has no interest in really releasing hostages. >> well, a situation we will definitely continue to watch closely. thank you so much for being here. that will do it for me on this addition of "alex witt reports" i am yamiche alcindor and we will see you again tomorrow. up next, "the beat: weekend".

welcome to "the beat: weekend". let's get right into the headlines. our top story right now, is these diverging paths in accountability for donald trump's failed coup and insurrection. that includes some bad news for trump in the rico case today, where he just lost an effort to dismiss it, a judge rejecting the bizarre legal claim that indicted crimes would be okay because trump claims they were his free speech. that is not the actual law. in fact, plenty of crimes may include people talking, but the first amendment does not protect words used for blatant criminal conduct, fraud, imminent threats, as the judge reminded trump's lawyers. now, that new ruling against trump and the coup case along with the other cases against trump and the january 6th plotters does show how on one path in the courts, there are tough prosecutions and

punishment for the coup. it is a court process that has escalated over time, and initially you had all of the efforts around january 6th slow down and delayed. they didn't even open an inquiry into the role of the leader and beneficiary of the plots to overthrow the election, donald trump, the election loser, for over a year. that was until jack smith took over. when jack smith took over the doj, then you had, of course, an acceleration of that process and i think we have all lived through that. first, there was an effort to get the top people who actually physically invaded the capital. many of them are now in prison. some trump aids have now been convicted. that is something we couldn't say this time last year. other trump aids await trial. another recently became the first white house aide to go to prison from a january 6th probe. so, there is huge process on

that legal track. even as the current speaker of the house goes farther than, well, anybody probably since the civil war, to openly embrace convicted seditionist's. and that is the other path, a congress siding with convicts who invaded congress. we will cover that part of the path in a moment. but, here is the point i want to make in our special report opening the program tonight. the wheels of justice are moving forward. after a slow start, we are seeing a lot of accountability on the legal path to deal with the insurrection. so, i am going to show you what exactly we are seeing on the evidence. it starts very simple. we are going to fill out this chart for you over time as we sometimes do, but it starts there, with the very top of this chart where after a slow start, the first conviction came about a year after the 2021 january 6th attack. in march 2022, a convicted attacker got a stern seven year prison sentence.

that was the first time anyone was sent to prison for that. then, in the next year for the first time, top aides and lawyers for trump were indicted. some were outraged about it, others folded and put guilty. >> if i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. i look back on this whole experience with deep remorse. >> they put me in handcuffs, they bring me here, they put me in leg irons, they stick me in a cell. >> are you pleading guilty today because you agree there is a sufficient factual basis, there are enough facts that support this plea of guilty? >> i do. >> how do you plead to conspiracy to commit across -- broad document, in 188-9437? >> guilty. >> so, the courts went, as i mentioned, on the far left when this first happened, to nothing, to slow, to tough, working their way up the line over the years. and then, as everyone knows, trump was indicted for january 6th conduct in two different jurisdictions.

>> the attack on our nation's capital on january 6th, 2021, it was fueled by lies. lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the u.s. government. >> that accountability has continued on the legal track. mr. navarro, who i mentioned there, very recently began serving a prison sentence after being convicted for hiding evidence about january 6th. and on the far right, you see the running count, 450+ convictions for people who attacked the capital that day. and that court of accountability is grinding on, even if people are used to the kind of talking points or memories of saying it initially started slow. these are just selected key points. this charge doesn't even include other measures, like the victorious and painful defamation victory there against giuliani for election lies and all of the trump lawyers facing disbarment

proceedings, which could end their career and want future coup lawyers of major consequences even before you get to a criminal trial. so, after the slow start, you have the legal accountability for the crew. you have people who are now in trouble or in jail because they were trespassers or plotters, or they were thugs attacking police, or they were voyeurs hiding evidence. and so, the consequences and penalties from left to right over time have only gotten more real and severe for these people. and that matters. especially as a deterrent for future coup plotters. was put that up, back on the screen. yeah, this matters, as legal accountability. we are seeing an opposite trend, though, in congress and on the political side, where the republican leaders -- who were once critical of the convicts who stormed the capital -- this is how they first sounded. >> this failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is, for our republic.

>> the violence, destruction, and chaos we saw earlier was unacceptable, undemocratic, and un-american. the capital was in chaos. police officers were attacked. guns were drawn on this very floor. a woman tragically lost her life. no one wins when this building and what it stands for is destroyed. >> now, that is how it started. you might notice, those are some top republicans sounding emphatic. that was back when, in public, kevin mccarthy sounded like liz cheney. and i told you tonight we are going to walk through on the evidence, these two paths. i showed you the count -- the court accountability path. no, i want to walk you through our new reporting here based on the new evidence of the political path because it began here with republicans condemning the obvious crime spree. what you see on the lower left

is marking that over time. that is a quote from then republican leader mccarthy. democrats and independents, of course, joined in, in the condemnation. they have stood by it through today. what is different, what we are charting here, is how republicans, overtime, went from calling that "un-american and unacceptable," to going soft on crime and the insurrection. within a year, the national party formally declared that he claimed january 6th was "legitimate " political discourse. when that happened, that drew outrage over that lie, in an effort to embrace and defend convicted seditionist and trespassers. it is hard to imagine if al qaeda or isis stormed the capital that a year or two later, you have one political party going from calling it terrible and un-american to "legitimate." republicans rejected the chance to treat january 6th like

another kind of attack or follow the president of a 9/11 investigation. instead, they actually ousted the party members who stood up against this addition. we all know the excommunicated people like liz cheney and kissing her, who, in cheney's case, had been in their very leadership. soon enough, the speaker who replaced mccarthy was falsely arguing january 6th defendants were being persecuted. he got himself in a scandal when he said he would hide the fugitives and lower their faces from doj. he backtracked on that, but as you can see on our chart, went on to defend them as "innocent." this week -- which is why this is back in the news -- johnson falsely claimed those people who stormed the barricades and clashed with police to get in, were somehow innocent. he said that others who were walking through the capital just kind of ended up there. he knows that claim is false, because it wasn't open that day. and so, mike johnson went from just pushing lawsuits to overturn trump's loss -- which, however misleading, is an activity that you can legally

engage in. you are allowed to file losing lawsuits, even absurd once in america. but, he went from there, to going well beyond that last speaker, to openly making common cause with these convicted attackers. >> so, i made a commitment immediately after it got redoubled that we would start releasing that. originally, we were trying to blur the faces that were innocent, who are just there, walking through the building. >> here we are, people who happen to be walking through the building, is a lie, which he knows. and again, you might not want to spend all your time living in a country where you have to compare kevin mccarthy as the standard, and mike johnson as below it. but, this is why i am showing you this tonight. the legal accountability on the top lane increases -- which is a very real thing -- on this bottom line, you go from a speaker, calling this un- american, to a party calling it legitimate, to a new speaker calling them "innocent." and on the very far right-hand

corner, you have the party, again, as it hires people for the next six months heading into the november election, there are all these reports that there screening only involves taking election deniers. help wanted: election deniers, only. and party leaders now praise these insurrectionist as innocent heroes, even as the people in government face increasing and sometimes irreversible legal accountability. you may know several of these different points. we put them again this way including on top of the speaker johnson's outrageous and false claims this week, to charge why the legal and the political are taking such different paths, and what that means for america and this coming accountability election. i think we have a pretty good guest to respond. michael steele has run the very party that is doing some of these things. we will get into it. it.

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president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress, by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> both readers -- leaders of the republican party at the time something close to unequivocal. a lot has changed. i want to speak to someone who has run the rnc, now hosts msnbc's "the weekend." welcome. >> hey, man. good to see you. >> good to have you. with the now speaker of the republican party said this week, outrageous as i mentioned, is a way to classify it. it is also flatly false, which he knows, which is colleagues in the record shows, which is important. so, it can into -- continues to be a warning even as the court

accountability which started slow has accelerated. that is our report tonight on the evidence. i wanted your response and breakdown. we could put the chart back up as you speak a little bit but we don't always see this type of divergence. it is one where if you believe in accountability, the top of the chart is good news and the bottom is bad news because as i mentioned with 9/11 or other incidents, you would want a more bipartisan approach. >> man, this is a wonderful illustration, i think, for your audience -- and really, for all of us, to kind of take a closer look at not just the divergence, but that political line, what it really is saying, the stranglehold over time that donald trump has had on this party, how in that moment on january 7th, eighth, ninth, you

had republicans speaking with conviction about that moment, being honest, okay, in that moment, but then donald trump putting his hand around their throat and collectively choking them all off. starting with that infamous drive-by, by mccarthy, going down to mar-a-lago to bend the knee, kiss the ring and anything else he could find in the room. the reality of it is, that was the beginning of this slide. if you look at this chart, that is the beginning of the slide. in that moment, when the then speaker said, you know what? we value the party politics more than the country, and what the country has just gone through, and that the man who is the orchestrator, the architect of this, is more important to my political survivor -- survival than the

country surviving him. so, that graph is a real good illustration of how the judicial and criminal process moved some of us, frustratingly, limiting how slow it seemed to move at times, but it moves, nonetheless, and appropriately adjudicated those who were brought to be held accountable. meanwhile, politically, those very same people were not being held accountable. they were on the immediate aftermath, but by the time you get to the point where the national party is hiring election deniers only, you realize, not only did they get on that slippery slope, they slid all the way off of it, and are now finding themselves in a political wasteland going into this election because the more and more these trials play out and those convictions come in,

or whatever the consequences may be, it really puts the light on the shame of the political process. >> i will tell everyone if you looked at our screen, you may have noticed our friend, james carville is back tonight by the end of the hour, so stay with us for that. up next, we have something unusual. bush white house taking my questions and sharing tough criticisms with what he calls maga thugs. i caught up with him here, we have part of his interview for the first time, next. xt. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile.

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convicted january 6th rioters falsely calling them hostages when they go through the justice system, and as the ap reports, trump is making the january 6th attack a cornerstone of his campaign, lying about it, arguing it is a good thing, and "positioning the violent seas as a cornerstone of his campaign." the ap is nonpartisan, of course. he reports that trump has used rallies to salute while a recording plays of prisoners in jail, for their roles in the january 6th attack, sing the national anthem. then some of the crowd to honor those criminals, falsely referring to them as "hostages" while trump floats the idea of pardoning them. these are extreme lawless positions taken against the u.s. government. all of this echoing the divisions from the civil war to jim crow, when some people -- maybe not all americans, but some americans and their leaders -- openly plot against the federal government.

now, there are some archconservative republicans who argue that trump's january 6th obsession is bad for the country and also about politics for republicans. take president bush's white house veteran, karl rove. he has run many republican campaigns, many winning once, by the way. he currently works as a fox news analyst, which is one of those deals that keeps him off other channels. although, i recently interviewed him and some other republicans at the rancho mirage writers festival. i talked to mr. rove and former trump chief of staff and another white house veteran known for her january 6th testimony, cassidy hutchison. you can see us there. for karl rove, i asked him about january 6th enduring and really now shifting role in this campaign. he said something interesting, he argued democrats should actually go even harder at trump's lawless stance and vow to pardon what rove calls

president biden seven thugs, not hostages. i get to tell you, we talk to a lot of people, we try to get sourcing and information from a lot of people, especially those who served in government, when we do interviews. this one was pretty striking. i'm going to share mr. rove's remarks at some length here, airing on "the beat," for the first time. >> if they were smart, they would take the january 6th and go hard at it, and then they would say, he wants to pardon these people who attacked our capital. i worked in that building, as a young man. to me, the congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy and the jewel of the constitution. and what those people did when they violently attacked the capital in order to stop a constitutionally mandated meeting of the congress to accept the results of the electoral college, is a stain

on our history and every one of those sons of [ bleep ] who did that, we ought to find them, try them, and send them to jail. and one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is that donald trump has now said, i am going to pardon those people because they are hostages. no, they are not! they are thugs. they are people -- some of them had automatic weapons at a hotel in virginia, hoping to be called up. we had people saying, where is nancy pelosi? we had people who were taking desks, and sitting at the desk of the speaker of the house and attempting to find people in order to bring them to justice and yelling at the police, "kill them, kill them all!" so, why trump has done this is beyond me. if you would have said, you know what? i trust our jury system, i trust law enforcement, anyone who assaulted the capital ought to be -- he said it once or twice, but now he is appearing in a video with people who assaulted police officers, with an attempt to keep -- take the capital by force. so, you know, look, i am a

republican, i don't want to have a democratic president. i want to have a republican president. but we are facing, as a country, a decision -- and everybody gets to make it -- as to what kind of leadership we are going to have. to me, it is a mistake on the part of the trump campaign to allow the president's impulses to identify himself with the people who assaulted the capital, rather than people who stand for law and order. >> very clear rebuke there. bush fashion karl rove confronting maga's thuggery as he put it, shredding any republican claims to law and order and rove mixing that with his own sort of political last. he said that is wrong and also said it will fail for the republicans in november. we should mention donnell track -- trump has attacked karl rove for other comments he made earlier this year. this matters on the substance but also clearly the politics. trump needs to consolidate his republican base to have any hope

of making up his deficit against biden from 2020. if he can't keep prominent fox news conservatives like karl rove on his side over this issue, that may matter. now, i mentioned all the sources we tried to hear from when we do our reporting. taking up trump's defense on that same panel is the man you see here, in the pathway of power, in the halls of power, in the actual oval office. in fact, i will leave this photo up for a moment. both men you see here were with donald trump three january 6th, one now completely ostracized after facing the death threats that donald trump unleashed against him, former vice president pence. the other, ryan nevis, still very much in the president biden seven camp. mr. nevis also ran the rnc. also on this panel is a republican who joined the liz cheney wing of the january 6th committee, adam kissinger. i want to play more from that same panel, including parts of trump's defense.

it is a group of people that in one way shows the range of potential republican party leadership, but also shows how the less maggot members are habitually driven out. here for the first time, here are those highlights. >> joe biden smashes is going to be, i am not for trump, we don't want trump, we can't have the chaos of trump. >> both candidates have faced the likelihood of losing part of what they had last time around. >> but they also look at joe biden and say, yeah, but, the economy is no good, there is crime everywhere. >> on biden's side, he has a problem in that first of all, his lacking enthusiasm among black, hispanic, and young voters. >> donald trump in 2016 was the biggest middle finger that the american people could find. and they found it. and i actually think that people are more angry today than they were in 2016. >> for trump, the problem is, is that last time around, he lost 8% of republicans, and was

7 million votes short in the popular vote. if he is found guilty in something, even if it is the new york business case, it is going to have an effect. >> this is as high stakes poker as it gets. i think if the president gets acquitted on one of these items, i think it is going to be even -- his chances of winning are going to be even greater. >> the election cannot be won merely among republicans. >> if you think that trump being found guilty by the attorney general's investigation in new york is going to sway the independent voters in wisconsin, and pennsylvania, and north carolina, good luck, because i don't think it is. most people don't care about any of these issues. i think you want them to, i think you wish they would. >> ryan, i am going to -- i'm going to let him finish. >> this is not the 1990s electorate. this is 2024.

where division is profit, and unity is a loser. >> if i had done what he did, we would be having this in the visitor's room of fort leavenworth. >> "division is profit and unity is a loser." well, you are getting a pretty direct view there from people who have been to the very top and want to go back to the top in the white house with donald trump, while rove again hits that january 6th crimes be. is insisting most voters are not following these democracy issues the way informed or as some would put it, elite citizens may. those primaries do show trump has not fixed the crack in his base from the haley showing we saw in the early states. 1 in 5 republican's voting against trump when he has the only position on the ballot left. those are important states like florida. ohio republicans saying straight up, they don't plan to back him in november. these are the stakes, and there are people who want to lie to

you and make it all disappear or become a kind of confusing soup. so, when you hear someone like karl rove -- which, if you have been watching the news for a minute, you might remember is one of the architects of the right-wing texas republican revolution. when you lost karl rove, are you on your way to a big coalition if there is a free and fair election? that is one of the big questions. we give him time to make his point, that these are overserved, over indexed, east coast, elite type concerns. the people in democracy at new york and a few other pockets might discuss endlessly, while the vast majority of voters, he says, or focused on other topics. we will find out, but we hope to be informed along the way. i do want to report on something really important, you look at leadership, wall street, financial people who are really important in this country, a lot of them said january 6th is a turning point. now, some of those billionaires are turning back. we have a special guest to

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we have so many companies coming in, people like timmy, you are expanding and doing things all over that i wanted to do right from the beginning. they really have -- you have really put a big investment in our country. we appreciate it very much, tim, apple. >> president trump there combining the name of a company with the first name of its ceo. that was a 2019 business leaders roundtable. then president trump was with apple ceo tim cook. it seems like that goes beyond admirable -- verbal mishap here or there. donald trump used the presidency in many different ways to try to burnish his image and also do outreach to business, as a matter of elbow rubbing, but also tax cuts and everything else. and in many ways, he did get a lot of people in business looking the other way to the things they might oppose,

certainly disrespect verbal assault, and all of the other things they wouldn't tolerate in their own companies, certainly hr violations, until january 6th when trump was, of course, already a defeated president, the loser of the election and many businesses said through their companies, their ceo leaders and other folks, hey, we are not funding this anymore. four years later and some of those folks have changed gears again. i want to use specifics here. take billionaire investor nelson peltz. he said he was sorry to have voted -- let alone the funded -- trump the day after january 6th. >> what happened yesterday is a disgrace and as an american, i am embarrassed. you know? i didn't vote for trump in '16, i voted for him in this past election, november. today, i am sorry i did that.

>> he was sorry he did that. how sorry? well, not sorry enough to last. the reports are that peltz hosted trump and elon musk in his mansion in florida just last month and has said, publicly, that he plans to vote for trump this time after all of that. here is another influential billionaire real estate type, robert bigelow, who said after january 6th, trump "lost me as a supporter. he showed, in that hour, he was no commander" and went on and on like that. now he is giving donald trump not just some campaign cash but $1 million to cover the legal fees, which are, of course, associated in some cases like the doj case over the very january 6th activities that this billionaire said he was so against. he is also pledging another $20 million to the campaign. this republican billionaire's support comes at a critical time when what donald trump has done according to the legal system is costing him money and accountability, and that is how it is supposed to work. he is also finally -- after

many years -- wanting more of the regular, small dollar donors who have funded him, are getting tired of seeing their money not go to political or campaign activities they might support, but just funneled all the way back into his pocket to reimburse him to cover his personal legal fees. this is a big story and i want to bring in a special guest. dan alexander, a senior editor with forbes magazine and covers this space. welcome. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> we went into specifics because that is always more precise. there is a larger trend here. i guess the first question to you as an expert, kind of a journalist here, you are not pro-or anti-billionaire as a category, is -- as someone who watches this -- what is happening here? why didn't the people who were appalled by what happened come down and say, well, they are funding him. >> billionaires aren't all that different from people that we

all know who, when faced at the start of a primary campaign, dream of, i want this candidate, or i want that candidate, they are dreaming something may change, and this really is reminiscent of what happened in 2016. you know, lots of people did not want trump and all of a sudden he was taking 30% of the republican primary, then more, then more, then finally republican voters and republican billionaires coalesced around and one thing that was really interesting that time, was after he won, people who were going to become the president start raising what is called a presidential inaugural committee fund, and billionaires poured money into that. people who hadn't supported during the campaign because somebody said, oh, wait, i am behind and i need to play catch- up and i need to show i am on this guys side. you might see some people

decide to make that move a little bit earlier this time because they don't want to make it look like they weren't paying any attention at the start. >> you said in some ways they are human beings, sure, i grant you that. but in other ways, you are talking about the top, top of the 1%, maybe one out of 1000, one out of 10,000. so, they have access, they have interests and power that is different. my question to you tonight -- and this is a real question, i really don't know the answer -- if you have that much power and you are 60, 70, 80, what is the point of it? if what you felt on january 7th about this country, your patriotism, that act of insurrection -- as mitch mcconnell called it that early morning hour on the senate floor -- if you can't continue to stand up to that for a couple years while you have that much power, what is the point of the wealth and power? >> well, keep in mind that a lot of these people who become so rich aren't satisfied with the things that most people are satisfied with. in particular, they are constantly looking to drive investment returns.

and politics, in a way, is a way of seeking a return on your investment. remember, the amount of money that these guys have to put into a political campaign or behind a particular candidate isn't anything for them. if you donate $1 million, that is a lot for a presidential campaign. that is nothing for somebody who is worth $10 billion. >> but, the billionaires i mentioned, do they no longer oppose what happened on january 6th and the person who benefited from it, and now pledges to potentially put -- pardon a convicted seditionist? >> let's be real, these folks have a lot to gain from another trump presidency. if you look at somebody like nelson peltz, donald trump famously said he was willing to get rid of the carried interest loophole, then kept it in the tax plan. if you look at a guy like harold hamm, trump is famously -- this is an oil executive -- trump is famously antiregulatory. so, these are people who do have major, major financial stakes on the line here.

when you look at, okay, i can ship in a small amount of money, maybe it is $500,000, $1 million, but that is going to return the a bigger number, $500 million, $1 billion, $2 billion, for people who think strictly in terms of investment, that is hard to ignore, even when you have these moral signals that might be directing their attention, in favor elsewhere. >> well, like i said, we wanted to learn from someone who was actually involved in this, this wealth inequality and this political part of capitalism in america is a big driver of things. so, dan, i appreciate you walking us through some of it. we will probably return to this as we see these billionaires returning to trump. good to see you, sir. >> likewise. meanwhile, james carl and lisa rubin join us, next. next. ♪ did you know some dish soaps don't remove all the grease, even with scrubbing? whaaat? i just cleaned those! try dawn platinum. it removes 99% of grease and food residue. that's why dawn is trusted to save wildlife affected by oil.

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now, we turn to our first evocation addition of fallback. look who is here, james carville, the legendary raging cajun himself, democratic strategist behind clinton's winning 1992 campaign. you might know him or his political wisdom like it is the economy, he has always had a way with words. >> we got six more days to go, and don't forget who the real enemy is in here and don't forget who we are really campaigning against. thank you all very much. >> you know what i say? i got egg on my face. >> do you think i look like a human? >> no. >> there are people that dispute that. >> you could see a turtle on a fence post it didn't get there

by itself. somebody put him on. >> such a way with words that he has earned his own "saturday night live" impressions. >> i think they are garfield and obama's, mondays. they just hit them. back in louisiana drinking sweet tea on the porch with my buddy, alligator jones. >> why do you call an alligator jones? >> because he is an alligator. >> he is an alligator! in our friend and colleague, msnbc legal correspondent, attorney, lisa rubin, who is working on her "snl" impression. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. james, what is on your fallback list? >> when you saw the women's basketball team playing in spokane and staying in a place across the idaho border and people are going by with pickup trucks, yelling racial epithets at them. that is the kind of stuff that

just -- every time we think maybe we are inching toward a post-racial world, these jerks pull you back into the world you actually live in. you know, i was the favorite of megyn kelly and jesse watters, we talked about it on your show, preachy females. i would rather spend the next 1000 years in a humanities lounge at berkeley then spend one minute with those people in idaho, i can promise you that right now. >> that is a real comparison for you, especially. and it is sad when you see it -- we talk about politics is so divisive but it is also quite sad when you see sports or culture, places where we could come together, and then those people, the racists and hatemongers use it to take over. >> now, they were good, we beat them last year to go to the final four, they lost the game. they had to move them out of the hotel. they had to take them to spokane, and another interesting thing happened --

the gonzaga men's basketball team was playing in detroit and it started, they were in a bus in -- and some republican jerks said there were some migrants coming here. they were basketball players out of jefferson university. i mean, that is how much -- sometimes, the racism in this country just slaps you right in the face, it says, we are here, dude. >> it is a wake-up call for those who are in denial about it. that is a good one. what is on your list? >> speaking of slapping in the face, misogyny toward the governor of new york last week, women injured down the street, walking and minded their business sometimes looking at the phone when they are literally socked in the face by someone they have never known or never met. the misogyny of this world sometimes slaps me in the face and has been winning --

slapping women across the city in the face. sometimes, i am stunned by the sexism in the world we still encounter and the way in which it interacts with the racism. >> every time that you think this is behind, you find out it is definitely not behind us. what is good, is people exposed this kind of thing. michelle obama said, when they go low, we go high. we will say this about fallback, when they go heavy, i go light. so, this is important. but, my fallback for this week is very light, but i see it all the time, i see us more often. using a phone in a public place, subway, subway stop, on a train, to play your volume? i using this platform to call for this to fallback. i understand if you had your headphones, if you are busy, but unless it is an emergency, like audio from the doctor, or something, i have seen people pull up -- the other day, i saw someone listening to a newscast.

i am glad people want to listen to the news. but, playing at high volume in the subway, lisa you have been on a new york subway, there are 40 people tied together and one person is doing this and i had two thoughts. one, i am using this to fallback and i thought, is anybody going to say anything? and nobody did so we are dealing with the tyranny of the loud phone. >> that is tyranny, okay. >> i will weigh in. i think that for some reason there are probably a greater percentage in manhattan, but i don't know that, but people think they are the only person in the world, they just carry on the conversation the matter who is around them, they walk in the middle of the street, they are just so self absorbed. now, that is not a majority, but a lot of people you encounter around the country, where -- and you see them on the airplanes a lot. they have these little your things and they are trading stocks on the phone or something. i'm like, man, shut up.

>> yeah, we all have to hear it. will you join us in this fallback, lisa? >> i will. i will also acknowledge to james that there is a lot of mean character energy in this city. i am a little mean sometimes, too. i am not going to say i am not, but please, lower your phones on the subway. >> right? it is a lot. any other big differences, before i let you go, james, between new york and the rest of the world? >> anytime i come to new york city it makes me proud to be an american. i was 33, the first time i ever came here, i was on central park south, it was december, and like, 30 degrees. man, the people move around here. i like this. okay? and i was just flying in here, and you come in, and you see the postcard, and you go, man, i like that place. >> i do. i love new orleans, i love all the other places in the world, but i have never understand why to be a real american, you had to dislike new york. i think new york is the great

american accomplishment. i really do. and i don't think i am pandering, i really mean that. >> i love that for us. >> you come in, and you see it, you see lower manhattan, and you see midtown, you see the park, using northern manhattan, you see the whole thing, and you just -- my heart -- you know, my heart breaks goes up a little bit. if i am just honest with you. >> lisa, final word? >> how can you top that? the man has endorsed the city in which you and i both live and chose to live. i am not here originally, i am from california's san fernando valley and i have an accent of my own that i think i have shed about 20 something years, but i love it here, i hit the ground here when i was about 18 years old on a trip and i thought, thank god and never wanted to leave. >> the only thing i have shed, is hair point >> there you have it. james carver, lisa rubin on our fall back on more than one topic. thanks for watching "the beat: weekend" and before to

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