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state of new jersey in 250 years. >> special counsel jack smith and judge aileen cannon trading thinly veiled threats as they square up over donald trump's classified documents case. if the judge were to dismiss down the road based on the presidential records act, the case would be over, donald trump would be acquitted. >> next steps could be to seek for the removal of judge cannon herself. >> no labels was looking for a hero. and the hero never emerged. >> that was the biggest waste of $80 million to ruin a brand i've ever seen. >> let me say it's not for lack of trying, that's for sure. >> it was not based in reality just like rfk campaign is not based in reality. >> biden world is trying to nuke rfk out of this race. >> 300,000 jobs added in march, that's a great number. >> truth social, we've seen the stock on the move. >> ridiculous. there's no revenue.

>> billionaire slamming trump media. with no real value. >> why are you even talking about this? it's a scam, just like everything he's ever been involved in is some sort of con. >> good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle, we are now 214 days away from the election. this week, there was more back and forth in trump's many legal cases , denial of motions to delay or dismiss, expanded gag orders, jack smith himself making it clear he's had enough with the judge overseeing the classified documents case. we've got a lot to cover, so let's bring in a very special nightcap crew. my dearest friend, my true partner, ali velshi, msnbc troy chief correspondent and host of bells he is here, amanda littman, cofounder and director of run for something, comedian roy wood junior, also a former correspondent for the daily show, and nbc news capitol hill

correspondent allie vitali. welcome to you all, i start with you. trump's delay train seems to be coming, possibly, to an end. the hush money case is starting in less than two weeks. do you think there is any chance we actually see a verdict before election day? >> in that case, maybe. >> is a very technical response. >> it's a professional word. but what's so difficult about watching these court cases is you're watching the hush money case go forward, but i think that's probably the one that has the least bearing on americans ability to vote or not vote for trump as if their opinions aren't baked already. but things like the documents case and the jack smith january 6th case in addition to what's going on in fulton county where you have the guy on tape saying, get me the votes i need to win this thing. those are the ones that are impactful, those are the ones that you're watching them kick the can down the road. the stormy daniels the stuff, people have that in their brain

for five years ago. i don't tickets changing anything. if you talk to everyone, they agree it's the weakest case in terms of impact. that might be the one we see but the one that voters should see are the others. >> people think it's that case, it's about his wife, adultery, it's not. it's about paying someone off to hide information leading into an election. here's my question. are too many people expecting that if and when there is a verdict trump will automatically be found guilty? let's be clear, he might not be. >> and if he's not found guilty, then he's going to use that as fuel to go, see, i'm not guilty, what's his favorite word? witch-hunt. i'm just glad that they're finally spreading the cases out, like beyonce albums. you get act two. before it was a logjam, the manafort days. >> and my listening to different beyonce? they're fun usually.

i wanted to talk to ali velshi about this all week long, donald trump, even though his delays are ending, this guy gets break after break whether it's the judge in florida, whether he found a guy to get in the $175 million bond. now, truth social being a publicly traded company that could end up making him hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, then next week he's got a golf tournament, also stands to make a lot of money. the truth social. what is your take on this? >> today with the rest of the market up, this thing loses value every day, >> even though it's losing, it's still making him on paper, >> on paper, it's half of what it was when it debuted. one never knows how this all goes. what are the important point about truth social is it's not exactly amine stock but it's got all the makings of its. it's non-institutional investors, not banks and insurance companies and things

like that. >> is a company that doesn't do anything. >> and it loses money more than we thought it lost, 58 million in its first year. the interesting thing that you pointed out to me the other day, is that it's partnered with another firm, the largest shareholder in that firm is the largest shareholder in tick- tock, richest man in pennsylvania, and it's the holdings are weird, this is a guy who wasn't that into trump in the first place, he is not supported him historically, and now, this deal was in the works for a long time, but he has a conversation with donald trump, they both acknowledge they met but they wanted knowledge what they talked about, donald trump's opinion of tick-tock, banning it in the united states, changed. >> there could be all sorts of people buying up this stock potentially currying favor with the next president of the united states. >> nobody buys this stock because it looks like a good investment. as financial reporters, which i

do with my 401(k), and i tell people, i can't advise you on that. nobody is advising anybody to buy truth social stock. or whatever it's called, trump media stock. that's just a weird company that doesn't mean anything. for many years amazon did not make a profit, but you knew something was happening. there was a bet on the idea that jeff bezos was very smart, smarter than most people and was finding a way to make money. nobody is saying that about donald j trump. >> when you're selling bibles and gold sneakers. that's not a person who has a good idea. >> but the crazy thing is, there's a market for it. so, is donald trump not the luckiest guy in the world, that there is even a market for the bibles or the shoes or the fact that he has a publicly traded company, that does nothing, that loses tens of million dollars and the whole company is just him crazy posting. >> the investors in the media company, mostly republican donors, some with a

questionable relationship to the russian oligarchs. not a surprising list of people. i do think it's a little, to be self sabotaging on trump's part but he's taking money from people who could be giving to his campaign and ultimately having legal fights and directing them to meme stocks. >> or the ultimate way that they're giving money to his campaign. >> trump cells into it and guess what they can do, right off their losses. you can't write off campaign contributions. >> and then you've got another avenue for funding this stuff, again, >> and you can do it without anyone knowing your name. >> andy influence that you've pointed to time and time again is so important. the thing congress wants to talk about is who was hunter biden doing business with? the thing that democrats come back with what i think is a fair question is, okay, do oversight of hunter biden's business. also do oversight of jared kushner and the investments he's gotten from the saudi's and the deals that they were

doing potentially as he was leaving the white house, but was involved in foreign diplomacy. all of this stuff is involved with each other, and >> and, not also a guy ahead of his game. the saudi wealth fund, $2 million to invest, got a lot of choices in the world. you can find the best investors anywhere in the world, jared kushner is not on the top 500,000 of the world's best investors. whatever. >> let's talk about president biden. today, another example should be a great day for him, a bang up job's report which yet again shows an extra ordinary economic recovery we've had, clearly the economy is strong, but, from a political standpoint, it's still a challenging political story, because we have an overhang of inflation, and how does the president navigate this, and get that positive message out, like clockwork? i know. [ inaudible ] i'm looking for

advice from roy. >> it always happens. i think the president, the inflation and job news is indicative of what has been happening in the entirety of the biden administration, which is good news that is able to be spun into something that means nothing. when the truth is that they done a lot of monumental policies and a lot of monumental things. i think it's more about, how do we get people to understand why this is? and i think that there's what trump has that biden did not have, in 2020. the ability to simplify things. politics is not simple, it's a complicated thing. because trump is so binary, lockup, wall, >> and willing to not tell the truth. >> correct. and the truth is wordy. >> the truth is not a record, truth is complicated. >> that's what the

administration continues to struggle with, i do not know how they do that, and on top of that, still fighting the argument about age, which i've never understood because the other dude is only four years younger? >> but this is the question, right? how do they show it, not tell it on infrastructure, on the way that they capped insulin, that stuff matters. >> here's the wordiness problem, i want to say, the president can't control inflation but look at the timeline and say look what he has done. he's trying to cap credit card late fees at eight dollars. he's trying to crack down on closing costs, tackle excess fees on college loans and reining in the rental market. that doesn't fit. in a bumper sticker. so, how does the president get this into the american psyche? because people are going, life is so expensive and president trump hasn't offered any solutions. him saying i'm going to slap

tariffs, >> it's actually that on every topic. whatever you think joe biden didn't do well enough on, i'm not sure what the exception of lowering your taxes which is a big one, and deregulation which is a big one for corporations and ceos, that anything would have been done better by donald trump. he wasn't better at any of that stuff. he meant it, we were covering infrastructure week every time it happened, within three hours of launching it, somebody is fired or he's changing some law. that's the thing. donald trump is binary, the one thing that is working against joe biden, is that the price of an egg is more expensive than it was a few years ago. inflation is coming under control, but prices aren't going backwards because prices don't go backwards. if prices were going backwards in our economy that would be a really bad thing on many levels for our economy. but you're paying more for an egg, a tomato. >> the cost of housing in the

cost of childcare continues to go up, and for a lot of folks like myself included, they just aren't things that the president can do anything about. >> and they're tied. he's trying, and it's a really hard argument to make because you're trying to tell people the things that they feel is real for their lived experience, they're wrong. the economy is good, the economy is great. if someone told me that, it must be good for someone else because it's not good for me. >> the thing that you feel, and the thing that is your lived experience, right now are diverging. your lived experience is a better economic reality than the vibe. that's the disconnect, is, >> as we're saying that, on twitter, they're going to be going nuts saying it's the media's fault, you're talking down the economy, your convincing the american people that the economy sucks, you are to blame, but it's actually the lived experience. >> i think it's hard to tell someone who is struggling that everything is okay. i don't know how you're able to

flip that, and what biden can't afford to do with the campaign is seemingly not be interested in doing this, going, you're right, it is bad. >> they are doing it now. but, talking about it doesn't necessarily make people feel better. life is expensive. somebody who is out of the game, i have to ask you, no labels. all the big ideas, very few tv appearances, nancy jacobson i'm looking at you. and what's your take? >> i used my official term earlier, but that is the word that i think i heard from so many operatives who had been texting me nonstop over the course of the last few months being like, no labels is doing this, and now they finally get to exhale, i think the people who are always taking no labels more seriously were the biden folks. i think they were prepared to launch a full-scale attack to keep these folks whoever they recruited out of the game.

i think they're happy that they don't have to do that anymore. just the fact that there was a back-and-forth that there should be another candidate in the first place mawhinney outreach wasn't really existing. i remember talking to nikki haley, even though they were trying to get to her over the media. i do think that it lands them in the right place of now voters know they have a binary. i think it's more of a trump problem than a biden problem. >> and not actually doing anything useful with it. i am shocked. shocked. to hear that. >> a lot of money. what, after, just a minute. ali saying he's going to pull from trump. what is your take? there are people out there who may not realize who he is or what he's saying or what he represents. but they just feel like i'm tired of politics, i'm exhausted by the whole thing, here's a new phase. >> there's going to be some voters that choose rfk just on

a political voting roulette. if you will. for lack of a better option, literally anybody. if rfk or literally anybody else. i don't think there's going to be a bigger issue for biden then trump, i don't think it's definitely a trump problem. the stuff he talks about, you've got to be on the other side, accepting the vaccine stuff, the conspiracy theory stuff. calling january 6th people patriots. >> and his own family is against him. [ inaudible ] campaigning against you.'s argument is, listen, not every family gets along about everything, but i'm like, [ inaudible ] >> college roommates and everybody who worked with him. >> but cousins or family? nobody is going anywhere, when we come back, we're talking

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now, let's talk about what we want to talk about, and let's start with beyonce's album, cowboy carter, now officially out for one week. roy, this was supposed to be her country music debut, but what we got was so much more. >> i think what we got, in addition to the music was, a history lesson about the roots of blackness in country music. at a time where all we love to do is reject the truth about the origins of so many things in this country. and i think that's the conversation that i've been happy to see happen in the album, is the fact that, not only am i going to come into this genre and do something new and inventive, i'm going to put on my backpack black people that are in the genre and were already the beachhead long before i got here. dolly parton, come on over, let's do a remix, and i think that part is what made it so enjoyable when she goes into it. we need to buy stock in cowboy hats. >> that's, that's one.

these are truth hats. but beyonce is not going to, this, the story of the black contribution to country music, not even contribution, ken burns did a lot on this in his documentary, is his first episode in his documentary was called, it was about the black- and-white origins of country music that evolved into a country that didn't want to share origins. they decided that country music was the white thing and r&b was the black thing. but in fact so many of their roots were in the same place, the same type of music, the same type of stories about love and loss. i thought that was interesting, the conversation has died down the last couple years and is coming back. >> you didn't think it was a political album? >> first of all, it's beyonce. the more important thing is as we used to this we will

understand that when black people have country music hits, it's not a stretch. is not going into someone else's world, it's going back to your own. >> what's your take, amanda, on the criticism? there's not a lot of it, there is some that's allowed, from the far right, which i don't understand why, but what's your take? >> some of it is targeted toward a black woman who is amazing at what she does because he's a black woman who is amazing at what she does. >> a whole list of black women. >> some of it, there are some songs that are better than others, but they're all interesting. there is so much there, she gives us a history lesson, and jones described it as great american novel, but in music form. it is beautiful. some of the critiques are super racist and problematic, but i think there is some more interesting conversation happening around the music. she gives us so much. >> how is the fact that some of her biggest supporters on this

album are the collaborators? the original artist? paul mccartney, dolly parton. dolly parton said three years ago, to trevor noah, i hope that one day beyonce covers jolene. >> the fact that miley cyrus is saying i can't wait to see beyonce and now she's part of this project. i think it's a beautiful thing when you watch people who are considered as deep roots in country, being able to say yes, this is a beautiful take, and where this country music genre needs to go for there. i think it's getting rid of the novelty factor. there are so many brilliant black musicians who have been in this space and who are now talking about the beyonce bump of their streams going up, being recognized as artist in their own caliber, for being featured in this way. for some people who say that beyonce might have, there are some critics out there saying it's too commercial, not enough country, it's beyonce. she is mainstream and she is huge, that's how she's going to

do it. if other people can roll with that enter album gets nominated for any awards, those people get nominated which what an incredible thing to do. >> it'll be at the cma, some country music awards, because now you're going to have people who are purists, who there aren't other commercialized country music artists. >> there's a lot of country music. >> and what taylor when she got big in country. >> you are using beyonce crossing genres to try to uplift your narrative that this is some sort of attack on whiteness. and to act like anybody of only one specific race can do one specific genre, that's wrong. >> and jolene has been getting attacked for the last 50 years. [ laughing ] jolene's fault, she deserves to get stomped on acoustically. >> okay, let's talk about other extraordinarily powerful women

this week. march madness, is this a turning point for women in sports? traditionally when women don't get paid or they don't get the resources, it's always, they can't sell out arenas, they don't have the audience, but, they do. what do you think in this moment? >> the fact that people like shack and others are coming out and saying that angel reese and caitlin clark, these are the most talented people. he's saying he doesn't even know the name of the men playing. same. and i love that. i love that we're talking about it as basketball and not women's basketball as much anymore. these are just amazing athletes and i'm excited for the fact that there are so many young kids, not just girls but also boys, who are clamoring for a caitlin clark jersey, who are clamoring to be like angel reese. that is the dream for anyone who was little. and brandi chastain, and i was like, the fact that kids would have these different women to look up to in sports, sue bird,

megan ruffino, these amazing women, i love this. i'm thrilled. and i hate basketball. >> how does the wnba keep this mojo going? how do they take this excitement, and bring this excitement to arenas and professionals? >> when caitlin clark goes number one, for the first pick, then you start putting those games on tv, you start making sure that you have women that are the face of the league and you put faces to these teams and they started that process. it continues because caitlin needs a hot rookie to follow into the pros. the issue with the men's game is that some of these players are one and done, ohio has you playing hopscotch, so you don't have a relationship year after year. the fact that this was a revenge game, there's no men's basketball game where you can say last year, this year, it's.

he's gone. >> that's the interesting point. is that a good thing or a bad thing? it's good for the momentum that we got right now, but ultimately, isn't that a weird answer that this works because women, don't get drafted. >> we've seen their stories for the last four years, do we think that's what's so special about this group of women? we've followed them, we love and hate them. >> angel reese entering the wnba draft with a beautiful photo shoot in vogue, it's amazing. and you're going to see her and caitlin clark enter the wnba at a moment when they can capitalize on the story. last year the liberty games the most places you could go to, we're going to see more of that next year. women's sports is going to break $1 billion in revenue for the first time, just the beginning. and the olympics, we got simone biles coming back, it'll be a good summer. >> i want to talk about a different kind of storm, i guess you can say.

this morning there was a 4.8 magnitude earthquake that struck the northeast. especially in new york, it got a lot of reactions. including this one from the empire state building, which wrote, i am fine. we have yet to hear from the statue of liberty, i hope and pray she is okay as well, roy, you're a survivor, you're one of the first on social media today. i'd like to know, around the table, where were you when the great quake of 2024? >> i was on the toilet. >> so you didn't know that it hit? >> i knew, but, i lived in l.a. for eight years. exactly. everybody on the west coast is laughing at us. new york needs to understand that you can't make everything, oh my god, because you lose the new york grid. you can survive anything.

shake off 4.8, why are you on twitter crying? >> did you shake it off? >> i didn't even feel it to shake it off. [ inaudible ] to low to the ground. like you don't feel anything, because it doesn't move. i knew it happened, because there's tvs everywhere and i'm like, here in new jersey. >> you and i are too short to know it hit. >> i was shaving, and i saw the mirror in front of me, it's always a full deal. and, my first thought, because i'm a man of a certain age is, laundry? like the towels. you can do them both. and, and the towels in, but, i have a front loading machine. so, i thought i put it into the dryer, i did everything except think it was an earthquake.

i thought is there a subway line running under my house? truck months away, laundry, that's what i thought. >> and you are walking down the street, didn't feel a thing, did immediately log onto twitter to see what was eric adams going to respond with. i haven't seen it. >> all the proposed responses were fantastic. >> send cops to the core of the earth. people are paying their fares on the subway. >> here's the good news. everyone has survived, and everyone is staying right here to tell us their mvps of the week. before that, punished, silenced, disappeared, the rise of cancel culture and what happens when it goes too far. comedian and nightcap regular ways in when the 11th hour nightcap continues. nightcap continues. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment

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>> how would i define cancel culture? >> when people talk about cancel culture, i don't hear a clear shared meaning. >> what is the point of definitions? >> what is cancel culture? we all hear about it all the

time. but, as you just heard from some theoretical experts, when it really comes down to it, it's hard to define. do not worry, msnbc is exploring the social phenomenon in a new phenomenal documentary. canceled, the story of cancel culture. it premieres this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. my dear friend judy gold joins me now, she's featured in canceled and is a comedian, actor, and author of yes, i can say that, when they come for the comedians we are all in trouble. judy, i'm so glad we got involved in this project, because you and i have talked about this many times. where do you come out? how do you define cancel culture? >> i believe in free speech, and all speech, i think that you should be able to say. we live in the united states of america, we should be able to say whatever we want, and you will have to suffer the consequences. of what you say. and that's just the way it is,

because you cannot, who decides what speech is appropriate? what does that mean? you have to suffer the consequences of what you say. because cancel culture, we don't like what you said, we don't like what you did, you're banished forever. people don't just get called out, they get removed. >> which is beyond ridiculous. if we took it, just in comedy. inc. about it. when someone is on trial for murder, their sentence is determined by their intent. what were they thinking, do they really want to commit this murder? when you tell a joke, you have an intent. you have, this is what i'm trying to say. someone could take it the wrong way and decide you should never be able to tell that joke again. we have, in this country, we have gotten rid of nuance, we've gotten rid of context, especially on social media, and

intent. it's really, really dangerous. >> how complicated is it when you put it through the prism of comedy? some people say, you're being too sensitive, and the nature of comedy is to push boundaries. is to make people feel uncomfortable, and all the time we talk about shows, movies, programs that we loved over the years, it seems as basic and as pgs programs like the office. and you can say, couldn't make that today. but you couldn't. >> you couldn't make all in the family. >> some of the most iconic american shows. >> that changed, that changed the conversation. the fact that we're not having conversations, there's less discourse. it's not facilitating any kind of evolution. you look at, i know, you're going to get mad but, some people. look at the republicans.

okay? >> i love doing that. >> they are against cancel culture. that's all they talk about. and yet they're banning books. they're banning, how hypocritical is that? you're telling people what they can talk about in their classrooms. a teacher can't say, my husband, my wife, if they're . what is this? it's mind-boggling. >> but at the same time, celebrities or ceos or people who have gotten canceled, the far right has made them heroes and celebrities. >> have they really gotten canceled? that's the thing. who's really gotten canceled? >> is there anything that has been canceled that you think we should bring them back? >> i don't think,

>> but isn't that the issue? there's people we don't like, cancel them, but i don't believe that. i believe, let them continue on, and they'll suffer the consequences. if they're not funny the audience won't show up. >> these people all have fans. there different styles of comedy. stand up comedy, this is the interesting thing. first of all, george carlin said i like to find out where the line is, crossett elaborately, and then make the audience glad that i did. most comedians do not know where the line is until they are in front of the audience, trying out their material. it is the only art form where the audience is part, a significant part of the creative process. so, we're trying to find the line, taking a risk, talking

about something, and the audience is saying, but we don't know that until we get in front of the audience. >> george carlin is a perfect example, from 25 years ago that seemed crazy at the time, that played out word for word. >> it's so relevant today. go on social media, and that's the other problem. we have the social media where people have a soapbox that don't deserve a soapbox, things are taken out of context, and it was like your uncle who said the crazy stuff and needs to go in the basement, now that person goes in the basement, gets online and finds 10,000 people who agree with them. >> you feel like you can't fully voice your opinion because people have put you in a category, and you can say x or you can't say y and that's limiting the discourse that we should have? >> i am at an age where i don't care anymore. >> was there ever an age when

you did? >> i've been a fan for a long time. i just want to tell the truth. comedians are truth tellers. and brutally honest. if you're going to talk about a subversive topic, then make a great joke, make sure the joke is funny. don't be lazy. yes, i am fearless, but there comedians coming up and there are clubs that are saying if you talk about this, you can't work in our club. that's ridiculous. >> judy, you are fearless, you are fabulous. i'm so glad you're here. great to see you. when we come back our nightcap returns with our mvps of the week. you don't want to miss it when the 11th hour and the nightcap continues. ap continues. ain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are.

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you need to be watching in prep for your show tomorrow. >> 100%. >> anne hathaway, i feel like this woman is in her era of knowing herself, we love someone who can do and amazing, where she looks almost villain- esque, and know that she knows herself, and knows that she is not a villain, she will self advocate and vamp at parties and look fun and fabulous doing it. i'm in my anne hathaway era, i'm , >> not just on the cover of vogue because he's a beautiful brilliant actress, she is an all-around. >> she's there to know herself and advocate and not be a bad person who is villain iced for that. as we've seen so many times. >> those are not the same thing. roy? >> my mbp of the week is, they

had a good week, not the best week because they lost to caitlin clark but she's going to go to the nba draft and more importantly, the issues with regards to online harassment, not only that but coming out and defending her, helping to start a conversation about the specificity of difference in the idea of, you're going to hate on an athlete because they lost or one, fine. when you start getting into higher levels of harassment, the fact that she was able to handle that with poise and set an example for so many other young women, that level of character is going to carry right over to the next level, and it also showed us that there are so many people willing to speak up and defend that young woman. >> do you think people should be apologetic or ashamed? do you think those women speaking this week in any way caused an industry, journalists, at large, to say how have we covered this young woman? what have we said about her? >> the difference between we

lost and i'm sad because i know that you're going to harass me and it is frustrating and it is driving me up the wall and starting to break me, that part of the game cannot be allowed. >> for a 21-year-old woman. >> for any women. especially one that is just young. >> in the public eye. amanda? >> the organization i run for something has candidates up in elections this week. they elected this young woman, 27-year-old kelly wobbled, a brain cancer survivor and community activist running for the cross county board in wisconsin, and she ran and beat in a landslide this guy who was a former county republican chair, one of the fake trumpet electors, and election denier who refused to admit that biden won the election in 2020 until a lawsuit forced him to, and she was able to take him out of power. little win, big win for democracy. >> i love that.

>> the bar is high. >> i'm going to draft off of amanda, a place called enid, in oklahoma. a town called enid. my mbp is connie vickers. something called the enid social justice committee, which figured out that a guy on the city council who had been there since 2013 had been part of the charlottesville rally. >> he was a participant. >> he was beside these guys. so enid and folks started a petition to get rid of this guy, they had a recall election, this week, it was on tuesday night, and they won. this guy, named judge blevins is now no longer a member of the city council in enid, oklahoma. nobody knew he was in the first place but this is how you change things. this group of people, connie vickers and that group of people changed things in their city, and made people realize we don't want to be associated with this. if that were to happen in

places across america, that's how we save democracy. >> that is extraordinary. my mbp is someone i have always looked up to, i'm guessing everyone at this table does, especially this week. after absolute tragedy. it is jose andres.'s world central kitchen lost seven workers, one of them was a man named damien sobel. he is my other mvp. damien worked in the same kitchen i did when i was in poland. when i volunteered with world central kitchen a few years ago. it is always a tragedy for loss of life. but it is so important to understand the kind of work that this man, damien, and others continue to do, they are running to some of the most dangerous places in the world to provide aid, food, and relief to people in the most desperate and tragic situations. the people who lost their lives are simply the best of

humanity. so, to damien, to those with him, to jose andres and the entire world central kitchen family, my deepest gratitude and condolences. it's a truly tragic story. and we've got to get better. i didn't mean to end the nightcap like that. roy, can you tell us a joke? >> that's sincerity, it's real. >> ali, amanda, roy, ali again. the problems you must face on the internet. i receive [ inaudible ] >> i get a lot of that. there you go. thank you all so, so much, thank you all for watching. on that note i wish you a safe and great night. remember, you can watch the nightcap fridays and most saturdays 11 p.m. eastern here on msnbc, from all of our colleagues across the network of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. late.

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