good morning. it is sunday, april 7 with the presidential race in full swing between the two nominees. both campaigns are focusing on raising as much money as they can. a couple of weeks ago, joe biden was joined by barack obama and bill clinton to headline a star studded campaign fundraiser at radio city music hall in new york city. and brought in a record setting $26 million, the most money ever raised for a single political event until apparently last night. just 11 days after setting the record. donald trump needed to smash it. and the fundraiser in florida last night, that they took in more than $50 million. and that they are a study in contract. and that it featured musical performances from lizzo and it

featured a conversation. and the low end, what as high as $500,000, which included access to the exclusive gathering. and that it is sold out at more than 5,000 people to sell out. donald trump's event last night was more exclusive affair. and that they were hosted by john paulson at his $110 million ocean front home in palm beach just a few minutes away from mar-a-lago. and they got very rich off of betting big against the sub prime mortgages in 2007 at the height of the credit bubble. now trump was the nice main event and a few of his allies and the former primary component and tim scott, north dakota governor and ramaswamy, all offered remarks as well. tickets to that event started

at $250,000 at the low end and the high end, some attendees apparently paid the maximum campaign contribution of $814,600, which got you a seat at his fundraising table. the event was closed to the press, offering a brief statement on camera when he arrived at paulson's mansion. >> it is a great honor to hear and people are just running games. and the more people want it, they want change and they are doing poorly. we're a laughing stock all over the world. >> he sure needs change. and these days, the cash strapped four-times indicted ex- president is facing millions of dollars in legal penalties, and

millions in legal fees. he will still be tens of millions of dollars behind the massive cash advantage. and they reported that trump pulled in a total of $65.6 million in march and end of the month with $93 million in cash that they would raise $90 million last month alone and that campaign now has $192 million on hand. trump's rally and the small donor base are not pulling in as much money and his legal bills are draining. he used $55 million of donor money to pay for various fees related to multiple cases and that is why it is notable and that they are coming back home for trump. some notable mega donors have gotten back on board with trump among those listed as co-chairs of the fundraiser last night,

robert bigalow, where he donated $20 million to never back down. that's the super pack that supported ron desantis' presidential bid. but in january of this year, he told them that he had recently given trump a million dollars for his legal fees. he also said that he promised to give $20 million more to the super pack. who says good friends are hard to find? they are already to come back into the fold. the prominent republican fundraiser says that he wouldn't vote for trump in the wake of the insurrection, but recently sent an e-mail to the network saying due to the dramatic change of circumstances, that i decided i will vote for trump in november. dramatic change in circumstances. similarly one day after the insurrection, this man, the billionaire investment, apologized for voting for trump in 2020. and that he will probably vote for trump in november, citing

the border and his quote, mental within. two concerns that would take precedence over democracy. joining me now is molly, the senior correspondent, host of the politics podcast on the msnbc professor history of american studies at yale university, author of the field of blood, violence, congress, and the road to the civil war. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. let's start with the numbers game, the fundraising game. what do you make of it? >> so the thing that i would say is that trump said he's raised $50 million, which is like about twice what biden raised two weeks ago. and i want to point out that page six did run a piece where they have a lot of connections to trump world that said trump was jealous of biden's event and the two other presidents. and it is not like george w. bush is like let's do events with trump. if anything, it's quite the

opposite. you could see where this might get to trump and with the music hall and the others. and john paulson who was trump's guy, the big republican donor, and who will put that together and now the numbers, maybe they are huge. i mean that number, that $800,000 number will be the maxed out, right? so those people will be able to give to their packs, but they won't be able to give to trump campaign. what you see with the biden number, that number is not the max, right? the $220,000 ticket or the $500,000 ticket is a lot and still more money in the max. now remember, this is the world's longest presidential campaign. that they will still have that in march. >> and so if things catch up. that's interesting. >> and that top line is that i wouldn't take it in this word. >> we will ultimately see the numbers on this and that i am so reminded of the conversation that we would have in the days after january 6 in which we

were discussing violence, you know, that i almost joked like someone like you in your specialty, really relevant when hamilton, the musical came out. i was hoping that it would never be relevant again. but the idea of the violence and the way they were dealing with it that it all seems to be forgotten now and that this man was at the heart of the violent insurrection that at least the business community, they might still stick to their guns. but everybody is folding for donald trump now. >> there is where many of these billionaires assume that they don't have a sense of what it is or what democracy is. and they don't understand what they would look like. so there is an assumption while there are wealthy people and they want to do to help them, so they will fair better with their wealth with trump and

that i'm sure some of them will buy in to the other suggestion and that they just feel that hate and regardless of why they are there and that people think, you know, whatever, there is whatever, that it is a normal campaign. but still, i think that there is assumption that everything will be fine and that i wish that people could understand the many, many ways in which trump signals that this will not be a normal presidency. that this will be in many ways a plunge into a kind of a dictatorship where one man is important, where individual rights are not important. where free and fair elections are not important. where the rule of law is not important. and those three things, free and fair elections and the rule

of haw. and i have just forgotten it. >> someone being above the law. it is more important than those individual rights. >> and my point is that this is a strike at all of those things and a strike at all three of those things and that's the heart of democracy. >> so this is where the conversation will become problematic because we see it. he says that he's going to do it. and people say that he's not really going to. that he is just playing on things. but the reason why it did not all work last time because his team wasn't good enough. but we know about project 2025 now. we know that everybody has been lined up behind the enterprise to make sure they don't pay higher taxes or more regulation. and to that point, people are either not making the connection between your lower taxes and your end of democracy. >> the problem is conventional framing for normal political world that we would live in,

pre-donald trump, where the candidates wanted to cut your taxes and maybe they will do some stuff that we did not necessarily like. now what it does when you do conventional framing like that, it will elevate the autocrat and says that these candidates are the same, you know, that this guy wants to give you free healthcare and they want to end democracy, you know, isn't that interesting. and that is why this framing, you cannot use it that you will have to understand. and i think that people and again, that they will say this is formal, right? a president who says that a certain group of people that say, you would have them going after the president's enemies. that this is not how any of this is suppose to work. you know, there is a lot of anxiety in the mainstream media being called upon them, but it's not worth it. it's not partisan for him to be democracy. it is not partisan for him to say that trump has been lying about stuff all the time. so taking him at his word might be dubious at best.

i think that we will just have to be brave here and that realize that we have to, democracy will have to be job one here. and that may end up taking risks as journalists. but i think that we will have to do it because of, you know, the end could be so bad for all of us. >> and let's examine this a little bit more about how journalists should behave in the whole mix. a number of my colleagues here at msnbc over the last few weeks have articulated this. rachel maddow said it. and free press works in a democracy. so we have to treat this like murder or like a hurricane. we are okay saying we are not good with this. we don't like hurricanes because they kill people. we don't like homicides. we don't like people who work against democracy. and that is not partisan in the traditional sense.

every democrat and every republican should be pro democracy in america. >> absolutely. and so alongside the normalcy bias, there is a sort of both sides bias as well where you very much have to say well, this side says x and y and that is where we are now in the campaign. and at this point, it is said so often that it is almost a cliche that this isn't a normal campaign, leading up to what might not be a normal presidency if he were to win. but truly, you know, the press will need to not solve it into the familiar, which is a and b and go ahead and decide that they should be pointing out what they need. and here is where that campaign will put it and that they are the same and just a basic discussion of how they do or

don't align with what democracy actually is? >> i'm writing this down as you say it because we are going to come up with that and let's do that and talk about what they are campaigning to do. i always learn something from both of you. it's a special correspondent and host of the podcast on msnbc analyst, joe ann freeman is an award winning historian at yale university. and the field of blood, violence in congress and the road to the civil war. lessons in there that still apply today. breaking news related to the israel-gaza war. just hours ago israel is withdrawing nearly all of its troops from southern gaza. why the sudden decision and what it means for the future of the fighting as we mark six months since october 7 next.

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six months ago today, hamas invaded israel, killing about 200 people, mainly civilians, and took 254 people hostage about 100 whom are still believed to be alive and held hostage in gaza. in retaliation, israel has engaged in a massive assault on gaza and hamas, killing more than 33,000 people, mainly civilian according to the gaza health ministry. the idf, which doesn't dispute the number says they have killed about 13,000 hamas operatives in gaza as a part of their stated goal of destroying hamas that they have for months, threatened a major incursion into rafah. the southern gaza city where more than two million people are living in the humanitarian nightmare. yet just six hours ago, israel unexpectedly announced a fear

total withdraw from southern troops. one remains and that said, the israeli government spokesman told sky news today that they will absolutely still go ahead with the ground invasion of rafah. shortly after the israeli withdraw announcement, that five rockets were fired at the israeli border in southern gaza. and this all happens days after president biden and his administration issued private and public warnings to israel that the humanitarian situation in gaza must change immediately or america will change their policy regarding aid to israel. this all comes as the latest round of cease-fire hostage talks are underway in cairo. the director is taking part in those conversations, as are officials from egypt and qatar who formally work as intermediaries for hamas. but unlike previous rounds of talks, representatives from both israel and hamas are at

those talks. joining me now from tel aviv is hala. good to see you. what more do we know about all that has developed in the last 24 hours? both the talks and what's going on in southern israel with the sudden and in my opinion, unexpected withdraw of israeli troops? >> reporter: unexpected and significant as we are talking about a complete military withdraw. one brigade remains inside the enclave. and according to the idf on securing that role that dissects north and south gaza. but according to satellite pictures has widened quite considerably. so it will focus the brigade attention on the north. this road that is essentially cutting gaza in half will go inside israel and vary all the way to the coast. what that means is at least right now, there will be no

ground defensive on rafah. there aren't the troops to do that. it also means that even though the israeli military and the military government say that it is still on the cards, but it is something that they will take some time to put into motion. this is all happening as you mentioned the backdrops on the talks in cairo where we have hamas representatives. so hopefully that could increase the chance for some sort of agreement. this is coming up as you mentioned a few days after biden and benjamin netanyahu had what was by all accounts a very tense conversation and where it appears as though for the first time since october 7, that the american president has in some ways conditioned them in assistance to a course change where we are seeing them taken and that withdraw from

the south and there is also the promise to reopen the crossing into the north and in particular that we have not seen that materialize and that is something they resisted. >> hala, thank you for your reporting today in tel aviv. in a new statement, the advocacy applauded the warning to netanyahu that u.s. policy towards israel could change if the humanitarian situation in gaza does not improve immediately. while calling on biden to back his statements with action. the president and founder of jay street, is standing by. he joins me next.

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joining us now, the founder of the pro-peace non-profit jay street, jeremy benemy, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> we don't have confirmation on a lot of things that are going on, but you heard hala's reporting that we seem to believe and we have been told by prime minister netanyahu that they are at the negotiations or they have been allowed to participate in the negotiations in cairo, which is very interesting. hamas representatives will be there. and those two groups are often not in the same city, let alone the same roof. that there is a pullback from southern israel that more openings will be produced. so i want to get your take on the news this morning that there does seem to be some movement of some sort? >> yeah, all of this is the best news that we have had over the course of the six months. and today does mark six months since october 7. and i just want to recall that our

thoughts are with the hostages who are still in the tunnels of gaza or maybe four days later that there will have to be a break in the fighting with the surge of humanitarian aid and that we will need to have an opportunity for the deal to be struck. and at least these current talks for the hostages to come out. that there is no military solution to this problem that there is only a political solution and having some space for the diplomats to work things through that not only for the short-term hostage deals and also to think about what is the plan for the day after the fighting. >> let's speak to the hostages for a minute that i cannot imagine that we were there after october 7 and speaking to hostage families. the pain was unbearable and that was a few days in. after all of this time, they have tried in many cases to not politicize the conversation. as of last week, the last remnants of that are over and they have even joined protests against netanyahu to say they are not getting solved that they don't seem to be

prioritized and that they will need a political solution. for no other reason than to get those hostages out that it seems like they are uniting around the fact that he does not seem to be equipped or willing to do that. >> and look, every poll will tell you that 80% of israel will understand that our prime minister netanyahu, that whether or not it is now or that the fighting stops, creates the political incentive for him to continue the fighting and that is why american pressure and what the president did this week is so important. that it will have to be understood and no uncertain terms that united states support for the state of israel sat risk. and that they will continue to make the humanitarian situation that calamity of it is right now. and the number that there will be a moment for the israeli people.

and the disaster of october 7. >> there is an interesting concern, that it is believed that joe biden said to netanyahu on the phone when telling him things will have to change. he says don't try to call me anti-israel. that i'm not a friend of israel. and he's on solid ground on that one because what has happened with netanyahu and the israeli government is that it is the charge that has been levied. sometimes against your organization as well. that if you are not in full support of all their policies, all the time, you're antiisrael. but look, we're not in support of all of their policies all the time. we are not anti-america. >> and that doesn't work where we have seen polling at 90% of the jewish americans understand that you can disagree with the policies of the government of israel and not be anti-israel. let me say similarly for many of the critics outside the jewish community of what israel

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the american economy is going strong right now. the u.s. labor department released their monthly job reports for march. always for the month prior. last month the economy added 303,000 jobs, well above expectations as a sign for what has been a consistently resilience job market. it fell a tenth of a percentage point to 3.8%. that'll make 28 consecutive months that unemployment has been below 4% and the 39th month of continuous job growth.

average hourly earnings increased 4.1% since march of 2023, which is great for workers, which means that wage growth will continue to be higher than the inflation rate. focused on bringing them down over the past two years. joining me now to bring down the good, the bad, the ugly part of our economy is caleb silver. the editor in chief of investopedia, and everybody reporting on the jobs report on friday. and those who want to be critical, they couldn't find one. >> it is hotter than expected and they kept advising them up. it has been hot for the last 12 months as you mentioned the unemployment rate, under 4%. we haven't seen a streak like that since the 1960s. you can't complain when there are jobs down there. some are part time, but a lot of good healthcare jobs, government jobs that pay very well. you mentioned the fact that they are rising. they are now outpacing inflation. they're good for workers. very good for the economy

because of the wages that rise, we spend and we need to keep them going. that will produce that wealth affect and when that is at an all-time how and that people feel more confident that it cannot be there and to invest and expand to higher people. and let's talk about the bad. >> the bad is the fact that we still have interest rates when you would look at your credit card apr and north of $6,500. that is an issue because they are not going down any time soon. that doesn't look like it's going to happen for a while. why? because the jobs market is really hot and the economy is booming. and the interest rate when they are stumbling, it is not right now. get used to the high interest rates and then we have the issue with inflation where we will get another couple of reports this week.

prices are stuck where we are not having deflation. prices are staying high and that will hurt them the most and you'll have that thing because they keep rising and it is the worst it has been. >> we want to be fair about the economy as you said that it will affect the wealthiest. and the two countries for a long time that it will be worse. and dealing with the high shelter prices that we've got about 11.5% of americans and that is about 39 million people. but a lot of people are feeling this. the homelessness rates are up. some of that is the migrant immigration and the fact that people just can't afford a place to live. 63% of folks, surveyed by

dallas say the economy is getting worse. now some of that is along the political lines, but they don't feel good. even though that the signs and the headline numbers and the stock markets will tell you that things are very good right now. >> and how do you fix that disconnect between the vibe people have about a bad economy and an experience that they will have when they buy things to show them better. >> some of that is messaging and that they are trying to hammer them home. and companies aren't fixing that and everything is more expensive for them and that they will shrink and charge more. but from experience, the economy is in good shape. >> it is good to see you. the editor in chief. coming up next, everything you need to know about where and

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the sky will darken for many americans tomorrow. it occurs when the moon passes between the earth and the sun completely blocking the sun's face. it will begin in texas at 1:40 p.m. central time. this event is inspiring millions of people to watch together and like the one at indiana university, one of the few schools in the nation that has partnered with nasa. joining me now from bloomington is maura bennett. what are the astronomies and enthusiasts most looking forward to tomorrow and just tell me that you've got eclipse glasses, right? >> of course, we've got our

glasses, don't forget. and let me set the stage where you can see you're setting up the stage for the intense production tomorrow. it's a school that will have about 50,000 students. they're expecting six times that to come in tomorrow and those people, thousands of them here at other events across the town. and those behind me that you'll be able to see them just over the right side of the state as they will be speaking with the performance and expecting the concert. so it will be a huge production in itself as well as the scientific phenomenon that will be happening. astronomers, they are so excited that we actually spoke to the department chair of the astronomy school here at indiana university. she talks about the emotion that is attached to the pure joy of science that we're going to see. take a listen to what she has to say. >> the and it is like no other experience. that it will tie us to the way

that we never get to experience, right? and that they will swallow the sun and that it is just awesome and that the usual nature that we will interact with and the total eclipse, that they find it emotionally tough. >> and now i asked what she was most excited about as she wants to hear and see the reactions that we will get here when squirrels might be active friendly and that you can see additional planet in the sky as well as maybe, maybe, maybe a comet as well. so it will be just an intense experience across the board. and people like you and me. >> i can hear the enthusiasm in your voice that i can tell this is not just a report that you're doing and i'm envious, my friend. >> it is really exciting and it is a big deal in this world that we cannot control seeing a

natural phenomenon is actually anything. just to reiterate those special glasses are really important. looking at the sun even during an eclipse can seriously damage your eyes. not everybody follows that advice during the last solar eclipse, which was august 21, 2017. this was our president as the tremendous headline from my fellow member of the club, ali vitali says trump ignores pleas of don't look to stare directly at the sun. so consider this a public service announcement. wear the glasses. and also by the way, vote in november. another safeway to watch the eclipse tomorrow is to join katie turr as she hosts the special coverage, tomorrow, 2:00 p.m. eastern. only on msnbc. with the one, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,

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ukraine will become a member of nato. our purpose of this summit is to help build a bridge to that membership and to create a clear pathway for yao crane moving forward. >> secretary of state during the 75th anniversary of nato festivities. it has been altered by the invasion of ukraine, growing by two members, finland and sweden, while also facing the biggest challenge to date. as leaders from the state met

in brussels, another threat, this one from the threat looms large. donald trump, meetings were preoccupied with discussions on the best way of trump proofing nato's military aid commitments to ukraine in the event that he would retake the white house. on wednesday, nato secretary, released a $100 billion ukraine funding plan to protect ukraine aid from the wins of political change according to the financial times. that's one of the affects of their era even out of office and the potential that he could rise to power again as sort of the black cloud over our allies. because they can not trust the united states to consistently follow through on defending democracy or supporting nato and ukraine. why would they? and they could do whatever the hell they want to nato states. they have not been much help either.

this week speaker mike johnson expected to unveil the strategy to pass ukraine aid even while members of their own party, by trompes demand to end ukraine aid threatened to oust him from his role over that particular issue. all the while, the war rages on in ukraine. two russian strikes on kharkiv, ukraine's second largest city, killed eight civilians, injuring at least ten on saturday, officials said. ukraine also reports that overnight, it destroyed 17 russian drones over ukrainian territory. joining me now is the lieutenant colonel who is the former director of european affairs for the u.s. national security council, the best selling author of the book here, it matters. the american story. he's currently in kyiv. in fact the colonel, by my path, you just arrived there in a few hours ago? >> that's right. you know, how long and hard it is to get in here and because they will have a veto on formal functioning society and no air

travel in here. so it is a flight to warsaw and another, you know, 12 hours, 24 hours rather. so it took me about 60 hours to get into kyiv from new york city. but glad to be here. glad to be able to meet with a whole host of key leaders to get a better beat on the war. i just published a lengthy analysis on the fact that ukraine's victory remains in reach on my side. i think that is a viable course of action with sufficient support from the u.s. that's passing the $60 billion budget. the u.s. making some policy changes to support ukraine with additional training, with additional resources. they are making some tough calls on their own including mobilization. but i want to make sure that we have this kind of wholesome conversation and then being able to take that back to our leaders in congress and the white house and see if we could move these things along because they have been dragging out way too long. these decisions should have

been made a long time ago. the big decisions are likely going to be made. you started a conversation around nato. i don't think unfortunately there is a thing like a bridge to nato coming out of the 75th meeting in july of this year. the rhetoric sounded nice, that there might be no political will to invite ukraine to nato and the most meaningful thing that could happen to end this war. >> and we don't talk about it all that often. if you don't have the right context, it could be unseemly. america is making weaponry and shells in foundries across the country. and to make sure they will have enough ammunition to prosecute this war. that is a part of why we would have a strong economy and a remarkably low unemployment rate. people involved are working literally every shift that they

could get their hands on. it should be no surprise to anybody and to involve you that donald trump is once again prepared to play some kind of let's make a deal with ukraine as it relates to funding. >> and actually, i don't think that trump is interested in making any kind of deal, entirely obstructive. you can see this out of the far right wing of the republican house that they are willing to discard speaker johnson in order to obstruct ukraine aid. but you're absolutely right that the investments in ukraine have really been investments in the u.s. defense sector. it is on the fact that we have been ordering billions and billions of dollars in inventory, the shiniest, most powerful items off the production lines to fill our own arsenals. and not nearly provide them to

ukraine. ukraine is getting the secondhand guns and the fact that we're providing our own military the best year, and that it is effective in defending our national interest. and that is what often is being missed. and, of course, there are alternative concepts. we could be giving these dollars to ukraine and ukraine could be investing in their own industrial complex. they would love to do that. but that is not a positive because the methodology is to draw the newest equipment into our own inventory that we seem to forget it. and i don't want to hit on the trump proofing conversation. that there is no such thing as trump with the second administration, let alone with nato. because although congress has passed the prohibition on the president withdrawn from nato, the executive undercuts the authority and they have extremely wide latitude in implementing the foreign policy. the policy and their attack on our ally could simply choose to abstain. and they could choose to sit it

out. and that is basically the recipe for disaster. yes, nato could do some things like pass a large appropriations or the large budgets to support ukraine, but there is no trump proofing. the only way we trump proof is by each of us voting, making sure that a madman will never see the blocks again. >> colonel, it is good to see you. thank you for making time with us. the former director of european affairs for the united states national security council. he's the author of a very important book. "here, right matters, straight ahead." and raking in the small dollar doe fashions, working to shore up the support from the billionaire republican donors in order to fund his campaign and mounting legal fees that could cost us our democracy. another hour begins right now.

it is sunday april 7th. with the presidential race in full swing between the two presumptive nominees, both campaigns are focused on raising as much money as they can. a couple of weeks ago, joe biden was joined by former presidents barack obama and bill clinton to headline a star- studded fundraiser at radio city music hall in new york city and brought in a record- setting $26 million. the most money ever raise for a single political event until apparently, last night. 11 days after biden set the record, donald trump apparently smashed it at a fundraiser in florida last night. the republican party presumptive nominee took in more than $50 million. nearly doubling the biden record. the two events are study in contrasts. the radio city extravaganza was emceed by a comedian and featured musical performances from the likes of h popstar lizzo. and featured a conversation with three presidents moderated by stephen colbert. te tickets for the event