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and yet it will include fleeing violent criminals. i'll talk about it with the homeland secretary, janet napolitano. just eight days to go from the expected start of their criminal trial in new york. that they are now asking the judge to recuse himself. our in-house law firm breaks down their latest delay tactics. plus as biden visits the scene of the collapsed key bridge in baltimore in honors of victims, that the transportation secretary joins me ahead to talk about the bizarre reaction that we have seen from some on the right. okay, if elected, donald trump wants to exact revenge, become a dictator on day one,

and apparently fight crime. >> new york city is a crime then. and chicago is a crime den. >> it is rampant, by the way. >> killings are taking place at a number like nobody has seen. >> crimes are ramping out of control like never ever before that we would have violent crimes. you will take a look at your cities and that they are going to help. >> we have to get them back and to get back to law and order. >> and wouldn't we love to have a statistic where the crime is down. >> here is the thing, in most places it is going in the opposite direction and that they show murder is down an average of 20% so far this year. and that shows that with crime

statistics come caveat, of course, there are. not every crime is reported or every community is experiencing a drop off in crime at all. and 2023 was the city's deadliest year in decades. it is not to suggest that crime is not a problem at all. it is just not a problem in the way that donald trump says it is. and the more you dig into all the data, the more egregious his lies become. for example, trump says crime is surging in big cities. but they dropped in cities with the populations over 1%, over one million by 11%. and trump will call out ramping crimes in new york city specifically. in reality, they plummeted there by 75% over the past 30 years. and that he claimed this a lot that he would be tougher on

crimes than president joe biden. in reality, trump's last budget from when he was president and doing budgets, actually proposed funding cuts for local law enforcement. you could say that is literally trying to defund the police. you could say that. biden has consistently in all his budgets proposed far more spending. and tay claim all the time that he will restore law and order as you just heard over and over again in that clip, which is pretty rich, considering that he's also telling us one of the highest priorities on day one is actually releasing criminals from prison. mainly these people. the people who storm the u.s. capitol who infiltrated the hallways of the chambers of commerce. who made lawmakers fear their lies and transfer the peaceful power of force. to release the people who violently assaulted police officers with the clubs, pepper spray, flag poles, and

extinguishers, leading to concussions, cracked ribs, other severe injuries. people like daniel ball who through an explosive device into a tunnel of officers who were fighting to hold back the mob. or edward kelly, plotting to murder them after their initial release on the january 6 charges. or taylor who showed up outside barack obama's home with guns after trump posted his address. or daniel rodriguez who drove a stun gun into the neck of former metropolitan police officer. so mr. law and order as he calls himself, centered his re- election campaign on fear mongering about violent crime, the violent criminal. and no, that should not be lost on the american public as they weigh their options this november. don't just take it for me and here is the strategist. karl row. >> if they were smart, they

would take the january 6 and go hard at it. and as a young man, to me congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy and a jewel of the constitution. and what those people did when they violently attacked the capitol in order to stop a constitutional mandated meeting of congress to accept the results of the college is staying on our history and every one of those people who did that, we ought to find it. it's one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign. and they said i'm going to pardon those people because they are hostages. no, they're not, they're thugs. >> joining me now is under president barack obama, janet napolitano, and the founding faculty member for security and

politics. and secretary napolitano. thank you for taking the time and i want to start by saying that facts are so important here and that it is so important to dig into it and it is one of the reasons that i wanted to talk to you this afternoon. that i debunked some of the things that trump is talking about crime and that it is one of the places where it is going down and going up in some places. i want your take on this as well. where is it down and where there are still places that are concerning? >> so first of all for former president trump to run in the law and order candidate, it would be what you would play in the nba. >> me too. it doesn't hold true. >> yeah. >> so look, there was a

terrific spike in violent crime. really during the end of the presidency. crime has been coming down, where they saw the largest one- year decrease in violent crime nationwide than we have around 1960. and so to say that we are a wash in violent crime that it is going up, the facts are the facts. and look at migrant crimes specifically because there are many things. you're also the governor of a border state with some heartbreaking stories, that of lincoln riley, where they have been pushing that as evidence it's a major driver of crime.

on migrant crime? >> for one terrible case, it's a terrible case, and my heart goes out to the family and to the friends of the victim. to make a national argument that we are watching the violent crime that's caused by migrants again. there have been dozens of studies done that will show that migrants, those born outside the united states who now live here, that it will be the native americans. the data is very clear on the score.

it is not registering with the public. i mean the gallup poll is 77% of americans believe crime rates are worsening. i have my own view on why that statistic is the case. but what do you think? why is it not registering with the public? >> well, i think a couple of things. one, you never see the press covering of the crime that didn't occur. and they will get covered, and when there is a homicide, when there is an armed robbery, you are not going to see a leading story on the local news saying walgreens wasn't shoplifted today. so a part of it is just an immediate environment in which crimes sits. you always cover it when it happens. and i think that's a big part of it. as you know in politics, perception becomes reality. and the media will help create the perception. and when you have a leading candidate for president, repeating it, repeating it, repeating it, they know how

accurate it is, that just reinforces it. >> no question about it. i did want to say the fbi as you know currently ranks domestic political terrorism as a top threat in the country. as you well know, tay take these things seriously. they would look at all the data. as you just referenced, this is all coming in a time when the presumptive nominee through four times indicted donald trump has repeatedly threatened judges, their family members, prosecutors, elected officials. i mean i can go on. but from a law enforcement perspective, how much do you think his rhetoric is to blame for this and people who are copying his rhetoric? >> well, it certainly doesn't help. you know, for whatever reason, and this are many, i'm not a psychologist. i can't explain it. but many people believe what donald trump said.

the people who have been convicted who have plead guilty, for once i agree with carl rose. they attacked law enforcement, they attacked law enforcement officers. they disrupted the united states. and the institutional with upmost respect. you know, that they are legitimately with all due process rights to describe to them. >> and the supporters, those people, he was a top adviser to george w. bush. this is not a democrat, far from it. i want to play another part of what he has to say to get his reaction to it. and to allow the president's impulses to identify himself with the people who assaulted the capitol rather than people

who stand for law and order. and ludicrous given his record. what should democrats be saying about that? how should people call it out? >> and first of all, just play out that we are in the national record decrease in violent crimes. so what is wrong with that? and look, more work will need to be done. we don't want any violent crime. and there are certain pockets in the country where the national trend hasn't helped. more targeting and more work will need to be done in those communities. this is -- a project that in a way never ends. but to have someone say and position themselves in the law and order candidate when he, himself, is the subject of four

criminal indictments. 90 some odd counts of serious felony charges. you know, what do you do? i've got to quote monty python. i scoff at your general direction. i mean it just doesn't make any sense. >> i mean no better way to end than on a monty python quote. secretary napolitano. thank you so much for joining us. so many facts, so many details. real pleasure talking to you this afternoon. and next, if i had to guess, donald trump is a pretty busy eight days ahead of him as he prepares for his first criminal trial in the hush money case. it's slated to start a week from tomorrow despite the best efforts to recuse the judge for the second time. the lawsuit to help us figure out what we should all be paying attention to in the case after a quick break. yst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space? boring does. great job astro-persons. over. boring is the jumping off point

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york to recuse himself against the case. they are accusing the judge of political bias and impropriety. that already rejected it in august. and the last attempts for trump to delay the court proceedings. we've seen this before, which are set to begin in just eight days. so as we all prepare for the first criminal trial of a former president in u.s. history, it is important to take a moment to remind ourselves what exactly this is all about. i mean we all know trump is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records to silence adult film actress stormy daniels. that's why we often call it the hush money case. but as salacious as that sounds, it's not about how he covered up his alleged affair, but about why. let's rewind this for a second, the clock back to october 2016 and the release of the infamous horrible hollywood tape. he was condemned in response to that by members of his own party, trump was.

some even pulled their endorsements. several called on him to drop out in the immediate aftermath. had the daniels story gotten public at that time, she could have damaged trump's candidacy. so the scheme to pay for her silence and cover it up wasn't to save trump from some personal embarrassment. it wasn't just that. the purpose is the indictment makes clear to hide damaging information from the voting public. that's important to remember. joining me now is our in-house law firm, everyone's feel legal aide, the former actor of solicitor general, and the former general counsel at fbi, robert mueller's team. and so let's start with the latest developments, should we say? on friday, you know, as i just walked through. trump's team attempted to delay this further by accusing the judge of bias because his daughter is involved in political work. clearly there is not a lot of basis there or no basis.

i know you and andrew have said that. is this just to sow doubt? what is the play here? >> you're absolutely right. there's no basis, jen. let me start by saying as someone who actually pays his taxes, i'm glad to see april 15 actually having some consequence for donald trump. that will be the day the trial won't start. i think that it will start despite the last-minute attempt to eudilia. >> you don't think it will be delayed? >> i don't. trump's decision, all throughout his legal strategy and his first lie and then deny and delay. we are on the delay phase of this and his last ditch effort to say the judge is getting, you know, kickbacks for some money from his daughter through this. it is something that is propos throws. i strongly suspect that donald trump will be convicted at the end of the trial. the first former president to

have been convicted criminally. >> maybe. there is a lot to watch and it is important for people to remember. so andrew, as you noted on top of falsifying the business records, but we forget as this is why it was so important to roll up through it. but to conceal his motive, which is essentially to hold back information from voters here. what do you think? i'm asking you to go a little meta here. but what do you think this will tell us about what he's capable of or how he might approach this moving forward. >> well, i think we saw the same strategy that he used in 2016 as alleged. we saw it in connection with the impeach -- the first impeachment with his efforts to get ukraine to say that they were doing an investigation into the bidens. now remember that's all he cared about. he just wanted the appearance

of an investigation. we then saw it in its efforts with jeffrey clark at the department of justice. he wanted them to say that there was an investigation into fraud. and all of these are efforts to mislead the public in an election. and the big difference between the allegations in 2016 that are going to go to trial and what we're seeing now is a little bit like what you covered with janet napolitano. just the brazenness that now he's openly saying, you know what, there is no shame. i'm not going to fire him because of what he did in ukraine. i'm going to hire a felon. i'm going to run on pardoning people who have had due process as janet napolitano so rightly put out. she's gotten much more brazen, but it's the same strategy. >> yeah, i mean the brazenness is such a good -- speaking of brazenness. i mean he compared himself to nelson mandela. i mean in the last 24 hours.

yeomen he said he was willing to go to jail. he's, of course, even despite the gag order. and how does this impact? it looks like an obvious question. how does this impact his case? >> right. first of all nelson mandela, a step down from his earlier comparison to jesus christ. >> and it is just like you can't make it up sometimes. >> legally none of this is going anywhere and that is the beauty, 12 jurors. and these kinds of nonsense arguments will go nowhere. so that is why it will be convicted and i suspect even despite that naturalization down in florida on the stolen documents investigation. should that case go to trial and he's trying to make it so it does not. but if it goes to trial, he'll be convicted there as well. >> and i mean we will see. we only have a minute left, and you're a professional. i have to ask about judge

cannon. she rejected trump's motion to dismiss the case, but won't rule on his arguments. it's hanging out there that his personal property is kind of could be a part of his, you know, violates the president. it doesn't violate their acts i should say. but if you're jack smith. i mean what do you do? what can you do in this case? >> i think that he will have to push her for a pretrial ruling. that he cannot wait for this to resolve at trial and because it will catch them. i suspect that we're going to see that continued effort to get a ruling. and then if she does not rule, i think that there will be some sort of an appeal, whether it is technically an appeal that they won't get into that. but i do think that he has to push for the pretrial rulings because of her conduct here. >> everyone is going to learn that term. so you should google it now. and i'm sure they will be talking about it soon. but thank you so much. always great to talk to you both and to help us make sense

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there is no reporting this weekend about the biden administration's growing concerns over iran. particularly when they target inside israel and retaliation for the israeli air strikes, but they killed several senior iranian official. now there is no question that this further complicates what is already a dire situation on the ground. today they mark six months on their attacks on israel that more than 130 israeli hostages

are still being held by hamas, and the death toll in gaza has now surpassed 33,000 people. two-thirds of whom are women and children. and they loom over the 2.2 million palestinians in the region as well. the secretary of general of the united nations warned again on friday that the children are dying of starvation and dehydration. so make no mistake. the humanitarian situation on the ground in gaza is appalling and devastating. it was further exacerbated on monday when seven aide workers were killed in an israeli air strike in gaza. that attack prompted president biden to call israeli prime minister netanyahu to warn him that the united states continued support israel, implementing new steps to protect civilians and aide workers. israel says they will open additional aravs to gaza and in desperate need for help. that's a step forward, but far more is feeded. at this point how much aid is

needed to stem what is a growing humanitarian crisis? what could be done to ensure it is moving forward? joining me now is someone who knows all about this to talk through it, the president and ceo of the international rescue committee. i'm so grateful for you to making the time, to making the time this morning. and so david, i really wanted to start as we have heard of a growing number of calls, which is a good thing for more aid to get through a long list of world leaders including biden, members of congress. but as you know better than most. there is a massive difference between a few trucks over a few days and what it is actually needed. so talk to me about what would actually be needed to address or start to address the devastating humanitarian on the ground. >> you do a great job of framing the conversation that one thing you said though, the announcement of new aid crossings and a new port that

were going to improve things. but no. and only action would improve things and to you as well. it is to recognize that things have gotten worse, not better over the last week and that they continue to get worse. it is now three weeks. it is an independent organization. the independent place for the population system that said a million people were at catastrophic levels of hunger. and that has not been rectified. in terms of understanding the scale of this and one, it's a very imperfect metric, but one metric is the pre-october 7, which as you rightfully say that is the precipitation event for this part of the conflict and what was the event of the whole cycle that was the particular event from this phase of conflict. and before then about 500 trucks were going in every day. and in january, we were down to 200. in february, there are even lower levels, about half the

levels. this is cumulative. they don't happen fast, but they happen slowly. and the way that you have it, that it is where you would have desperation, and where you have illness and desperation, you have disorder. in gaza, you've got that. and with 2.2 million civilians. that is why so many are at risk of death today. >> and i'm so glad you said action because it is very different from verbal commitments or promises. this is so true in global diplomacy and that action and increasing the aid, which is so important and that i want to play for you and chef andreas would speak about it this morning that i want to play a clip for you and to get your reaction to that as well. >> and it this is not anymore about the southern man and woman of world central kitchen that were on these pertinent events. this is happening for way too long. and it's been six months of

targeting anything that will seem more. that it does not see the war against terror. they don't see anymore about defending israel. the israelis at this point, it is a work against humanity itself. >> and he called for investigations into the death of all 196 aide workers. it's not just seven, they are all tragedy and tragic, but there's additional many. what is your reaction to what he had to say? do you agree with what he had to say? >> well jen, on the 18th of january, the rescue committee and the medical aid for palestinians was hit. 15 people were injured. very fortunately none were killed. but we warned at the time of the system meant to protect the humanitarian aid workers from competence and it wasn't working. you're absolutely right to say this terrible incident this week is only one of many that

should alert us to the need for an 180-degree turn and the way we see the rights of civilians and aide workers. it's not an act of benefits or generosity of the competence and conflict to allow not to kill anyone. it's a fundamental legal right with established announcing 45. and the great danger is that we would tweak the access for those aide workers. no, it's a right and it is being lost in an absolutely tragic certain style. there are still 130 hostages as you likely say six months since the terrible events of october 7. and it is absolutely vital that we understand that now is the time for action. people on the ground, they are in an absolute desperation that we would have our own surgical team. one of the few hospitals that's working, that we will have partners looking to reach them in northern gaza. secretary blinken, rightfully

will call for the inflection point of this week and on friday. that we need to see the action. it is not only up to the united states, but that the u.s., they will have an absolute critical role to play. >> david miliband, i hope you'll come back to talk more in depth in the future. i appreciate your time this afternoon. coming up, another massive contract between president biden and donald trump. this time it has to do with their responses or lack thereof to the bridge collapse in baltimore. transportation secretary pete buttigieg will talk about it on the other side of the break. we'll be right back. our pla. my thing, darling? shine. gardening. some of us go for the dramatic. how didn't i know wayfair had vanities in tile? [ gasps ] this. wow! do you have any ottomans without legs. sure. you'll flip for the poof cart.

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your nation has your back. those are the message to the city of baltimore when he visited on friday, shown there. he would tear the site of the key bridge and the families of the victims, and the remarks he referred to the workers, immigrants from el salvador, guatemala, honduras, as hard working, strong, and selfless. biden vowed to have the federal government fully rebuild the entire bridge. now in quite a contrast, donald trump has remained silent about baltimore. no condolences for the victims, no statements even acknowledged that the strategy, even occurred. and it has been about 12 days since the bridge collapse. but for someone who likes to brag about being a big builder who is saying things about a lot of things, let's be honest. the presidential nominee for

the major party. trump was not normal. and that is important, which will say about how they treat tragedy in places like baltimore. joining me now is pete buttigieg. help me start there with this visit because no surprise to either of us. he exhibited a lot of empathy and that people lost their lives, mourning their family members there. the federal government will pay the entire cost of covering it. what does that look like? >> and responding with humanity and compassion, and also with very e clear direction about what has to happen next and having sat across the desk in the oval office. he's grilling me and the admiral from the coast guard and how to get baltimore ready. i'll tell you he's very focused on what that's going to take. this is a major operation in two respects. first, getting that channel back open, which is the only way to get to most of the port of baltimore. and then second, something that will take longer, but we need to do quickly is to get that bridge back up.

that's going to take a lot of coordination, that coordination is already underway. we've got $60 million out from our department, within hours of getting the request to get them started. but that's just a fraction of what it will take to replace that bridge, which is very important for traffic getting across there. meanwhile the race to get the port open is on pretty soon by the end of april. we think the army corps will be able to get a 35-foot deep channel open. it's not the same as having a total clear, but it's an important step on the road back to normal, and more of those vessels can come through. it is just as important, which means the workers in the port of baltimore can be back on the job, earning their paychecks. >> these are things that impact peoples lives tremendously. i mean trump is running for president. he has yet to acknowledge the victims of the tragedy in baltimore, who were fixing the potholes on the bridge at the time of the collapse. all of them were immigrants. but i have my own views. why do you think he said

absolutely nothing? >> yeah, i'll avoid talking about campaigns while i'm sitting here. but just at a human level, it would be helpful for the former president to weigh in here and show the solidarity that we have seen from most, if not all, elected officials on either side of the aisle because of the human nature of what happened. the fact you had, you know, these six people who lost their lives, and some very seriously injured, who were out there doing the work that all of us count on, but don't always think about. that was a chilly night. they were out filling potholes, mending the road. getting that bridge squared away, while most everyone else was sleeping, so they would be ready. we count on so many workers in this country. many of them immigrants. to do these vitally important infrastructure jobs. they are not glamorous. they're not the highest paying jobs in the country, but they are absolutely essential. i think, again, on a human level, showing some regard for that is very important. that's what characteristically president biden was doing when i was with him in baltimore on

friday. >> there are few people better debunking than you are i would say with this ongoing meme in the right wing push that this is about d.i. and companies. just right down the absurdity. and why is that the message they are pushing? >> this is another one of those moments where all they have is a hammer and everything looks like a culture war. this is in the about women in minorities, but about a bridge that was struck by a ship. we saw something similar with the alaska airlines and the boeing incident. and i just don't understand the mentality of somebody who will see an issue like this and with that infrastructure rescue. and this is not about politics, about culture wars, this is about safety, transportation, infrastructure. all of it, by the way, is what biden made a priority of when he came into office, pushing

that infrastructure legislation and making sure our bridges and for that matter, our airports and our ports are stronger including in the more resilient to disasters, natural and mandate. there is never funding before on the dedicated level for there to be investments in highways and bridges until president biden's infrastructure plan went through. and that is what the focus ought to be and there is nothing, at least there should be nothing. or partisan about helping a community get through a tragedy like this. >> and no question about it in their commute time. there was an analysis out this morning that it won't be a sur is prize to you, but dozens of critical bridges, lack the protection system that will make them vulnerable. like what happened here. what will need to be done to ensure these bridges are protected? there are many of them across the country. >> there are two things that need to happen, the right

standard for bridges and going forward. there has been a lot of evolution even when there was a similar collapse in tampa, which really prompted a lot of thinking about how bridges are designed and built. and of course, bridges in this country are up for 50, 70, 100 years or more, which means we are driving on bridges today that might have been designed a hundred years ago. while some of those are being replaced, not all are being completely replaced. and so you will have a lot of designed features that could be a critical report and when you see what happened in baltimore that there are very few mitigations that could have direct impact and that they did have some features that obviously did not prevent this right now. i have to say that when you're at the site that it looks exactly right. but the one thing that doesn't

come on television is the mass of the ship that it came down and that you'll see there is no match for this ship and two things that are being worked on and learning a lot from the investigation. half of it will have to do with bridges on how they could be stronger. and that it will have to do with vessels and making sure this collision could not happen in the first place and that is where we are closely watching their work. they're independent by us for design for some very good reasons. and so that shipping could be safer and few of these collisions could happen in the first place. they're extremely rare. but the goal has to be zero. >> absolutely. then the spot to light up all the bridges that will need to work across the country. i have much more to ask you about. thank you for sticking around. we need to sneak in a very, very quick break, and we'll be right back.

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say. and there is this thing that you won't get into campaigns or politics. but there's a narrative of being pushed out there a little bit that in the years prior to president biden's administration were better for the economy. how should people be pushing back on that argument? >> if you look at where we were four years ago, you couldn't buy toilet paper sometimes. we were dealing with so many issues, not just the consequence of the pandemic. but to feel a little bit passed that. the economy was growing, but not as fast as it was growing now. and unemployment has come down. i think it's important to recognize where the people are at too and because of the number on the page looks good doesn't mean that anyone can feel it. the first thing you say to them, you feel better than you are. we've been through a lot as a country. now having said that, we are achieving a lot in this

country. while there's a well-funded noise machine trying to talk down the economy ask all those things that america has done. they reflect well on the president that the american people under his leadership and economy under his leadership have added so many jobs including importantly in areas like manufacturing, construction if you look at the latest above expectations and the job report with another hot jobs report last week. a big part of that came through construction, which is linked to us, the earliest stages of the construction associated with the president's bipartisan infrastructure package. so i think that we'll need to keep pointing to what's happening and we need to connect the dots. because there's a lot of places where, you know, local and state politicians, they might not be inclined to give the president a lot of credit for that. you know, for example, the bulk of the funding that the state of administration are spending on the roads probably came from biden's infrastructure package, but they might not be in a hurry to slap signage on there reminding everybody about it. not just as a political matter,

but sort of reminding americans that there are results, coming out of legislation, being passed on people when they do work together. that it is important to connect those dots. that's a part of why you see me and my cabinet colleagues out on the road all the time. the other thing i noticed is when something is uncontroversially good, that it gets less attention. so we will have to go out of our way to connect those dots for people. again, that is, you know, we have to earn it and make sure people see it by doing the work of laying out those links and recognizing that this is the middle of the trajectory that we are still working to get them to a better place than ever before. >> let me ask you something we started the show with with secretary napolitano. the notion that again, i know you're not going to get into campaigns, but donald trump is arguing that violent crime is up everywhere and that it's a disaster, and he'll do better than president biden. meanwhile he's going to suggest that he's going to free january

6 defendants, people in jail. people who were a part of the insurrection. talk to me a little bit about the contrast here and president biden who approaches crime and how it is misconstrued out there? >> again, we need to think about where we were just a few years ago. you can see capitol hill. i remember what it was like moving here with our dogs. not being able to get that close to the capitol because they were surrounded with security in response to the violent attacks that the previous president and supporters just perpetrated. those were the conditions in terms of security and law enforcement that president biden inherited. and just in ordinary cities and streets, crime at an elevated level that had begun to happen under trump. so we need to talk about the reality here and there is a lot of funding and a lot of energy

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