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chilling effect it is having on the american public. comedian judy gold on the cultural phenomena and what happens when comedians are caught up in it. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. today marks six months of the israel hamas war and everyday new video emerges of the devastating and heartbreaking reality for people on the ground. in exclusive footage from last month published and edited by al jazeera and obtained by nbc news, we see what appears to be men targeted by israeli forces as they tried to grab lifesaving aid. a warning to arguers, what you're about to see is disturbing. in the first few seconds of this video, we see men running together that is being dropped in northern gaza. we see them pulling supplies out of a box or a crate. in his neck scene we see a shot strike the ground near them. a few seconds later, another

shot hits the ground. according to al jazeera's reporting, this should scene shows israeli forces imposition. we see one-man runaway, he appears to be shot and falls to the ground. it looks like he is repeatedly shot at as he struggles to get away. he manages to slowly stand up before he succumbs to his wounds and drops again to the ground. he lies there as he continues to be targeted by shots. the man is eventually left to die with his body left to the dogs that are circling him. the israeli military has not yet responded to nbc news request for comments specifically about this video, this comes as israel comes under increased scrutiny after an israeli air strike killed seven world central kitchen aid workers. since its founding in 2010 by chef jose andres, w ck has turned about some of the globe's biggest disasters and crises, providing life-saving food to people in need. after this deadly attack the relief group has paused their

efforts in gaza. the israeli military opened an investigation into their killings and has now dismissed two officers, it has also reprimanded three others for their role in these drone strikes aimed at the wck aid convoys. world central kitchen and the families of the victims have called for an independent investigation, and even secretary of state antony blinken echoed those calls on friday. today on abc this week, chef jose andres said, the perpetrator cannot be investigating himself. here's more of what he had to say. >> civilians must be put in. humanitarians must be protected. they are people that have names and last names, they are people that matter. it cannot be voiceless, they cannot be ghosts of wars that don't make sense. obviously, idf has a lot of questions to ask themselves. what exactly are they there

for? are they there really to bring home safely all those hostages that still are suffering? >> according to the united nations, 220 for humanitarian aid workers have been killed since the start of this war, and if it is this deadly for aid workers, just think about the conditions for palestinians who depend on those organizations right now to survive. people like the man who you saw in that video simply losing their life while they were just trying to get food for them and their families. join me now to discuss this, the president and founder of a nonprofit organization that has been providing life-saving aid to the people of gaza, and elsewhere in the region, she founded this organization after witnessing the suffering of children in war zones during her time as a senior international correspondent for cnn where i had the privilege of calling her a colleague. she's also a dear friend. it is great to see you, i know that you've made it into gaza, you spend a lot of time

reporting around the world in war zones before, and before we get to the nonprofit side of all of this and the work you are doing, talk to us about what you're seeing on the ground today, and how that compares to the past times you have traveled there as a journalist. >> it doesn't compare. you've had loads of experience on the ground, this is like nothing that i think any of us have ever seen before. just the sheer scale and magnitude of all of it. when you get here in the southern part, it is so crowded, you really feel as if the misery, the desperation, the sorrow, it's jumping out and grabbing you by the throat. at the same time you can't help but be in awe of the people here to a certain degree, for merely surviving for this long. we have these tents that are set up everywhere on every single street corner, along the beach in the sand, there is no sewage, there is no toilets, there is no proper humanitarian assistance. there's flies everywhere, there's mothers that will rush

up to you with limp and listless babies, people are asking for everything from diapers to baby powder to sanitary napkins. people are worried about the mental health of their children. and talking about this is really withdrawal from some areas, shortly after that was announced, i was at a medical field clinic, and bodies began arriving. there were bodies the people have been able to dig out from the rubble, people that had been killed about a week ago. and you just realized the tragedy of all of this, and how it's impacting everybody. and while we were there, more bodies were coming into this particular location, and one of the palestinian medical workers, there, was sobbing in a corner because one of the bodies who had been brought in was someone who she knew. this tragedy keeps hitting everybody, every single day

from every single different aspect of existence. >> let me ask you about the work right now that needs to be done. after the attack on the world central kitchen, several aid organizations suspended their operations in gaza because it was so dangerous. why have you decided to keep working despite the fact that other aid groups have stopped doing so? you've gone into gaza at a time when others are considering. >> i got in two days after the attack on the world central kitchen and i have to say, coming in, we were a group of humanitarians and everyone was talking about this. everyone was extraordinarily anxious, myself included. when you're in the space as a journalist, you expect a certain level of fear and anxiety, especially because we tend to go towards where the danger is. i have to say, i wasn't expecting to have that not in my guts, to the degree that it

was there, being here as a humanitarian worker. when it comes to what inara is doing, all our staff is local. i was talking to some of them about what it was that kept them going, and they said, these are our people. we have to keep going for them. we don't have a choice, and if we're not going to do it, then who is? but one can't negate the impact of the world central kitchen and some of these organizations pausing their operations is having. it is causing more people to go hungry. when it comes to the need, a lot of people are asking about that, and it's very difficult to pinpoint what the need is, because it's so vast, people need everything. literally, ayman, everything. some of the scenes that i'm seeing, i'm hearing it, i'm witnessing it, and i still cannot put it into a sentence with what i'm seeing on the street or what i've seen in some of these hospitals i've been able to go to. >> can you talk a little bit about the aid right now?

how is aid coming in? we know it's not coming in in anywhere nearly the supply that is needed to meet the demands of the people on the ground. from the way that your organization is operating, and what you're able to see on the ground, how is aid getting in, and why you believe not enough aid is getting in? there's obviously a lot of finger-pointing going on, the israelis say they let everything in that they can, aid organizations are saying that's not true, they are prevented from getting to the places that they need to and supplies are being rerouted to israel and that slows the process. what are you seeing as an organization operating on the ground in gaza? >> this is how a truck gets into gaza at the moment. around 95 if not 99% of trucks. they get searched in israel. so if a truck is able to go from israel, then it crosses

straight into gaza. if a truck is coming from egypt, it goes from egypt into israel, get searched, then crosses back to egypt, and then goes through the crossing. the trucks that are trying to go through, they can take two to three weeks to be able to get in. the thing is that both are in the far south of the gaza strip. these massive trucks come in and then they get offloaded into warehouses and then they get loaded onto smaller trucks for delivery. how are trucks able to get where they need to be? a process needs to happen, and that is where another big roadblock exists, because aid organizations will tell you that this process is very lengthy, and is effectively not working to even the barest of minimum extends. so you end up having to alter your route or you end up having to hold up your convoy for whatever reason, after that the roads are incredibly clogged and when you get on location there is such panic because there is so little that often,

it's complete chaos. it's very hard to control a desperate crowd the believe that it is only getting limited supply. on top of all of that, no, not enough trucks are getting in, not nearly enough trucks are getting in, and we are also talking about a certain part of the gaza strip, we're not talking about the north even though the israelis have tried and tested a route that allowed one or two convoys to go along this military road straight into the north. there is talk of that would be straight into the north that would cause people in the south to talk about how the potential he had hope that their fellow gazans up north would be able to finally get something to eat but the bottom line is, everything is not getting in, and the holdup is, most of the time, because the israeli side is not allowing access and is not speeding up the process. >> we saw in the case of the world central kitchen and with others, the deconfliction allowed for them to transmit their coordinates to the israelis and that was not enough to protect them and keep

them safe. we're almost out of time, we have about 30 seconds, but i know you're working to raise up to $2 million with your organization to prepare for the years long mental and medical health needs of the children of gaza and elsewhere. what more does your organization need, and if there are viewers that want to help, what can they do? >> it's amazing, whoever can donate, go to our website .org/gaza, in terms of the long- term care, these are the types of children that have burn injuries, blast injuries, and amputations. i was at the one remaining functioning hospital yesterday, and it's bed after bed of children who have been injured, who have been amputated, who have horrific, horrific burn injuries. i even saw a 10-year-old boy who is on life support. he had been shot in the head by a sniper, his father said. there are other children absolutely catastrophic conditions. we know from experience, we know from the doctors we're

talking to hear that these children are going to need years of medical and mental health support, and that's what we're focusing on and hoping to be able to pledge for all of them. >> all right, my friend live in gaza for us, thank you so much for everything you're doing, please stay safe and we'll talk to you throughout all of this. thank you. next, the palestinian american doctor who protested the president by walking out of the meeting with the president is here to join us come alive, next. that's a different st with the chase ink card, we got up and running in no time. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card. make more of what's yours. she runs and plays like a puppy again. his #2s are perfect!

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you might've heard about the small group of muslim american community leaders who met with president biden last week at the white house to discuss the israel hamas war, only six people agreed to attend and five minutes in, one of those leaders walked out in protest. a palestinian american physician has treated gravely ill patients in gaza. he told him the news that he wanted the administration to feel how his community has felt

since the war began. before walking out, he handed the president a letter from an eight-year-old orphan in rafah which israel says it still plans to invade. that child wrote, i beg you, president biden, stop them from entering rafah. he is a member of met global, and he's also on the board of it. he recently volunteered at a hospital in gaza. it's great to have you with us, thank you so much for joining us. first of all, tell us why you decided to walk out of that meeting with the president, and why did you think leaving would be more impactful than sharing your input on biden's handling of the war, for example? >> ayman, it was really simple for me. i come from a community of palestinian american, muslim american, and for the last six months, we've been devastated by what's been going on, and for six months we've been screaming at the top of our lungs trying to get anybody to listen to us about the devastation that's taken place.

we know, in intimate detail, what's going on in gaza. we see the pictures of the starving children in the north, we see the parents grieving over their children. we see the grandfather keeping the earring for his granddaughter who was killed in an air strike. i needed to walk away from this meeting, because i wanted to leave an impact and an impression. our words haven't been getting through, the way we've been trying to engage and communicate hasn't worked. there are 33,000 killed palestinians in the process. i really wanted to leave an impression on the president to let him know a tone of anger, and atone of grieving, and let him know that this is how this entire community is feeling, not just in the united states, but on the middle east and everywhere in the world. what's going on there is absolutely horrific, and i got to witness that firsthand. i wanted him to really feel what we were talking about, and why we're so upset. >> one of the things that really struck me about this meeting was something you actually said in another interview, and i want to make

sure i get this correctly, that this was the first time president biden was briefed directly by people who had been in gaza since october 7th. a, how do you know that? tell us, what is that symbolized to you as someone who recently spent three weeks volunteering at a hospital in gaza? how do you know that you were the first briefing the president had with somebody directly from gaza? >> that was how it was billed to us, instead of the traditional annual ramadan, in lieu of that we're going to do a working one, when he pushed back and said, that doesn't seem appropriate, to be talking about the famine in the north and the lack of food getting in and starting palestinians, to be doing that over soup and salad. we were told, this is an opportunity, and intimate chance to sit with the president and be able to brief him on what you saw. you would be among the first people who had been on the ground since october 6th. this really was a surprise. we hear, we are stuck with hearing john kirby and other

spokespeople talk about the situation in gaza and talk about the humanitarian crisis, but if the president hasn't spoken to people who have been on the ground, humanitarian relief workers, how can he get a true understanding of what's taking place? what many of us are suspecting and what has been the case is what they're hearing about the humanitarian situation is coming from the israelis themselves. if there's any indication over the last six months that the israelis are giving an accurate and objective assessment of what's taking place in gaza, all you have to do is what's taking place with the explanations for the world central kitchen attacks. that's not a reliable source, and that's something i said very exquisitely. i said anybody trying to give you an idea of what's happening in northern gaza, seven gaza, in rafah, they are not telling you the truth. i know that source is the israelis, and i expanded on that and said, if they're telling you they can evacuate somehow palestinians in rafah safely to another area and then conduct a military operation, they are misleading you and they are going to lead us into a bloodbath that's something that we have to draw a redline

about, then i handed him the letter and walked away from the meeting. >> why did you decide to give him the? what more can you tell us about what people in gaza were saying about america and america's position throughout this war? what are the attitudes of palestinians in gaza about this? >> ayman, i was at the hospital as gaza was being leveled by the israeli military. it is probably in the western part, and the military operations started in the eastern area, and it slowly crept up to the perimeter of the hospital. while we were being surrounded by the israeli military and tanks were near the cemetery near the hospital, the doctors and nurses asked the same question. they said, do people know that this is what's happening here? do they know that hospitals are being ransacked and rated, that doctors are being abducted and his whereabouts are unknown? are people okay with what's taking place? that's part of the reason i wanted to send that letter to the president, is i think for

so long there has been a dehumanization of the palestinian people. for some reason, our blood is not the same value as the blood of people anywhere else. i'm not trying to compare different conflicts or struggles, but i look at the rhetoric from the state department with respect to ukraine, and in their rhetoric when it comes to gaza. people are asking, do they not realize they're human like everybody else? i told people i was going to be meeting with president biden, and i said what messages you have for him? some had colorful messages but many were saying, we want our kids to grow up, we want our kids to go to school. >> how did the president respond, both to your letter and your commentary, what was his reaction, his demeanor? >> have you seen his picture? i gave him the picture and on the back of it it had her letter and he stared at it and said, okay, i understand why you have to do that. and i got up and walked away after that. that's all, i hope i can bring awareness to this impending rafah offensive, i hope that i can bring some sort of

momentum toward getting a cease- fire. i know that right now there's not a lot of words that can be said to have an impact, to move our administration, so i hope that there can be some pressure, whether it's an uncommitted vote or me walking up and away from the table. >> i greatly appreciate your time and thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, and your feelings and your experience about what happened in gaza, thank you so much. next, the u.s. congressman who is spreading lies that are too crazy for conspiracy theorists. piracy theorists. nah...not me. in a relationship. if you're sexually active and unvaccinated, it could still be you. i'm too old if you're under 45, you're not. for most people, hpv clears on its own. but for those who don't clear the virus, it can cause certain cancers. wow... gardasil 9 is a vaccine given to adults through age 45 that can help protect against certain hpv-related cervical, vaginal, vulvar, anal, and certain head and neck cancers, such as throat and back of mouth cancers,

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behavior. this conspiracy didn't come from your everyday tinfoil hat wearing american, it came from none other than far right republican congressman clay higgins of louisiana. higgins was on a podcast wearing a shirt featuring the logo of the three presenters, which is a right-wing antigovernment militia. the group was listed as a terrorist entity by the canadian government in 2021, it is just the newest development in a long three-year campaign by the republican party to spread conspiracy theories about january 6th, all to exonerate donald trump. it started on the day of the insurrection when conservatives like matt gaetz suggested that it was and, not trump supporters, who attacked the capital. when that fell apart, trump and his allies moved on to blaming then house speaker nancy pelosi for falsely claiming she blocked the national guard from coming to the capital. now some republicans have embraced the idea that the fbi instigated the attack on the capital. and these lies are having a real impact on americans.

the washington post poll from december showed that a quarter of u.s. adults leave the fbi operatives organized and encouraged the capital attack. joining me now is tim miller, nbc political analyst and author of the book, why we did it, a travelogue from the republican road to . back with us as well, gentlemen, it's good to have both of you. tim, i'll start with higgins himself. he's not only an election denier, he's previously praised one of the january 6th writers as someone of good character, faith, and core principles. what do you make of how the gop has elevated this guy, and someone like him, who i would argue is clearly unhinged? >> we're not sending our best from louisiana. so i apologize to that. clay higgins is extreme and a conspiracy theorist, and for

some reason a lot of times you focus on the marjorie taylor greene, lauren boberg, more famous. but there's a big block of these types of folks in the house caucus and it's getting bigger and bigger every year because a lot of the more center-right or not center- right, normal maga type republicans are checking out, because they don't want to deal with the nonsense, and we saw this from mike gallagher in wisconsin, and they're being replaced by folks more in the mold of higgins. i think it's worth saying explicitly that this is the stupidest conspiracy theory possibly of all of them out there, that the fbi was behind this. it's important to say it because of the distance that this has gone, as you put it, a lot of people believe this for some reason. imagine that there's fbi people in the midst of the women's march after donald trump wins in 2017 and they're looking at the women in pink hats and saying, let's storm the capital. let's storm the white house. everybody would look at the fbi agents, like you're an insane person, what are you talking

about? the whole concept that having three random people there saying let's storm the capital is the reason why a bunch of people stormed the capital, it's preposterous. >> to that point, it's not just what is being said, and who is saying it, it's also what is not being said and who is not shooting it down. you have people like mike johnson, speaker mike johnson who has not responded to multiple requests to comment on what higgins said, what clay higgins said, and it begs the question as to why the leadership of house republicans will not come out and say, that is bonkers. please stay away from that. >> the reason why is because the conspiracy theories are not a bug of the maga gop. it is a feature. and i think tim is right, there are several of these folks, but we don't do justice to the danger of what is being done and what we're hearing coming out of these republican

positions, whether it's from the leadership down to these extreme, crazy congressman. what i think is happening is something more sinister. this isn't just the parroting of russian talking points, these are the actions of an internal fifth column in the united states by active members of the maga republican party. i'm not saying every single member of the republican party, but certainly more than enough that are driving the type of thinking and decisions where the leadership is not reacting. the other thing about this, is this is the putin playbook. to create this post-truth, notion where nothing really is true, there's always a conspiracy theory or what about is him or another side, that way nothing can be the arbitrary determining what is correct and criminal behavior, versus what is partisan behavior. this is exactly what they were trying to do, it's purposeful, it's willing, and it's by design. we need to call it what it is, fifth column behavior.

>> it's interesting, this has backfired multiple times. this idea of blaming the fbi and the republicans, and fox news echoing it. it's actually hurting the republicans, hurting fox news, a trump supporter is actually suing fox and tucker carlson for defamation after they claimed he was an undercover cop or undercover fbi agent who helped provoke the capital riot, and it seems like the right wing echo chamber and the media institutions that feed this have not learned. why would they want to keep this conspiracy theory alive when they've seen what it can cost them, in the same way that the defamation lawsuit against the voting machines did? >> they want to keep it alive because they're in the business of telling their viewers or listeners or voters what they want to hear. they are no longer in the business of challenging that, telling them truth or speaking

to an underlying conservative ideology would want them to argue. they're doing fan service, and within this maga group, within the radical segment, of the maga part of the party, you have people that are happy with january 6th, and thought that it was a good thing, that they were great patriots and doing what was necessary, and then there's another group that looks at it, and they're still a little squeamish about the storming of the capital. they thought the election was stolen, they're just a little squeamish. so this excuse that it wasn't your colleague's fault, it wasn't your fellow patriots faults, it was the fbi's faults, is a comforting landing space for those people. that can broaden the radical part of the maga wing of the party, and that's why they continue to do it, even though there have been real consequences, this case the most prominent of them.

>> how do you make sense of this entrapment argument that the fbi tricked them into attacking the? by their logic, shouldn't they blame trump to encourage them to walk to the? he's actually on tape saying walk to the capital but somehow they still want to believe that there was an fbi agent who provoked the attack on the capital. >> that's not how the cold works. the cold never criticizes the cult leader. >> i don't know exactly how it works. >> i haven't either, i hope, but i know the behavior of what cultists look like and this is what you're describing. i take exception, i always agree with my friend, tim, he's usually right on but the idea that this isn't working i just project. donald trump is basically tied in most of these polls with joe biden, despite the bad crap crazy approach that they've taken on all of these issues. unfortunately, i think that this feature of lies, conspiracy theories, acting as

a russian fifth column, i haven't really seen that they're paying the political price, at least in the polls. based on the results in 2022, 2020, and 2018, but at least they're competitive, and they think internally that this stuff is helping them rather than hurting. >> i give you a chance to respond to that, i don't want to put words in your mouth but i assume you meant it's not working with the general public. it's definitely working with the republican trump base. >> it is. i think there are two types of consequences. one you're talking about was fox news has dealt with financial consequences on the election lies with dominion and now the ray epps case, but i hear what he's saying about the fact that, look, i wish, given these facts, given how insane and far right the party has gone, it seems like donald trump should be getting crushed in the polls, he's not. what we saw in 2022 was the election deniers, the people

that went along with these conspiracies in swing states and swing districts, they all lost across-the-board. there are consequences, not the level of consequences we would hope, but we are seeing some negative downsides to admit advancing these. >> thank you to the both of you, greatly appreciate it as always. coming up, a store you will see first on ayman, investigation by nbc matt bradley into the alleged abuse of palestinian prisoners held in israel. israe

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stomach we have seen horrifying instances of devastation and cruelty over the past six months of the israel hamas war. nbc news has now spoken to palestinian detainees who claim they have experienced beatings and torture at the hands of their israeli jailers. israeli officials have denied knowledge of orbit dissipation in this abuse, but acknowledge in a separate statement that they had reduced living conditions for security prisoners following the october 7th attacks. nbc matt bradley talked to some of those palestinian prisoners, he filed this report. >> reporter: stripped, bound, and blindfolded, kicked and spat at. palestinians say these video show torture and humiliation. these men, part of a group of detainees released into gaza in december. they beat us so much i wanted to die, this man says. none of them was charged.

they were detained by israel after the october 7 terrorist attack when hamas murdered over 1200 people. human rights group say there's been a spike in detentions since then. amnesty international alleges horrifying cases of torture. several detainees told nbc news they were sexually harassed and assaulted. including, who says soldiers threatened to force him into acts. been i refused, i shouted, i was beaten. it was the worst experience of my life. >> not just men, the united nations expressing alarm over what it said were credible allegations that at least two augustinian female detainees were reportedly assaulted. nbc news cannot verify any of these allegations. israel's foreign ministry says the u.n. cranes were despicable and unfounded. israel's military told us it was not immediately able to investigate on those claims but said, individuals suspected of involvement in terrorist activity are being detained and questioned. they are searched for explosives but they are treated with dignity and in accordance with international law, and incidents not following

guidelines will be looked into. there are new accusations about israeli prisons. arrested before october 7th, says treatment inside prisons have grown markedly worse. they treated us less than animals, beating, abusing, torturing, he said. i had three broken ribs. he was arrested on suspicion of communicating with a foreign group affiliated with hamas. a charge he denies and spent eight months in prison away from his two-year-old daughter before he was released in november. they sexually harassed us to the point of rape, he said. he said he witnessed guards sodomized his cellmates with objects. nbc news cannot verify any of these allegations. israeli prison services said it was reducing the living conditions of what they call security prisoners. and told nbc news prisoners are detained according to the law. they were not aware of the allegations, and that as far as we know, no such events have occurred. >> what we've seen in the prison service now is revenge. >> reporter: tal steiner is an

israeli human rights activist. >> what we've seen is an israeli guantanamo. if the reports of torture and abuse are true, we've seen. >> matt bradley, nbc news. >> thanks to matt bradley for that report, we'll be right back. back. ! whoo! ♪♪ these guys are intense. we got nothing to worry about. with e*trade from morgan stanley, we're ready for whatever gets served up. dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. i'd rather work on saving for retirement. or college, since you like to get schooled. that's a pretty good burn, right? got him. good game. thanks for coming to our clinic, first one's free. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand. and wakes up feeling like himself. get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪

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>> the radical left, their corporate allies, the liberal media, have tried to cancel me. >> i was like bald, and totally canceled. >> they want to cancel the president. they won't just be the president of the united states, the cancel culture will come for us all. >> cancel culture has become a familiar bogeyman for republicans with the victim complex. but is there a difference between calling someone out for bigoted or otherwise reprehensible behavior, and actually silencing the speech you don't agree with? that is the question posed by a

new msnbc films documentary, canceled, the story of cancel culture, which airs tonight on msnbc right after this show at 9:00 p.m. eastern. it is the latest installment of the turning point documentary series from executive producer trevor noah. the film examines cancel culture through incidents that made headlines, while offering expert commentary on navigating this cultural moment. here's a quick look. >> often times comedians feel that they are able to speak truth to power in a way that many other people cannot. >> comedy is supposed to make you wince. and laugh at yourself. and say unmentionable things. >> worry about someone taking something you said the wrong way. >> it's dark, it's late, we're drinking, a lot of moments are naughty, there's nobody around, you watch the same moment on your phone over morning coffee, like what's the matter with these people?

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>> before the break we showed you a preview of the new documentary from msnbc film called canceled, the story of cancel culture , comedian judy

gold is one of the many expert voices featured in the film, for good reason. she quite literally wrote the book on the pressure comedians are facing right now called yes, i can say that. when they come from the comedians we are all in trouble. judy, is here onset. it's great to have you, great to see you in person. this is something we discussed regularly on this show, but i thought the framing of this specifically with comedians is so important. just, where are we right now as a society dealing with this issue for cancel culture for comedians? >> i could answer that question by saying, look at the comedians we grew up with, i'm older than you. >> i remember them, though. >> they would be canceled. they would have a lot of issues right now. here's what i think is happening. when we talk about cancel culture, i know you showed the video of the republicans are complaining about being canceled for all the horrible

lies that they say, but they're the ones who are banning books in florida. so who is canceling who? as far as comedy is concerned, there are different aspects of telling a joke. there's a comedians intent, there's context, and there's nuance. and it's very subjective. some people like sarcasm, some people don't like sarcasm. some people will take the joke the wrong way, not how the comedian intended it, and then decide that person should never be able to tell another joke again. and we're at this really bad place were some comedians, newer comedians, are afraid. they're afraid to go there. and that is very, very dangerous. george carlin said, i like to find out where the line is, deliberately cross it, and make the audience happy that i did. but we don't know where the line is until the audience tells us.

>> that is an important question. when you are telling a joke, you test the joke, a joke sometimes is based on your observation of the society and culture and the moment that we're living in, and ultimately you want to reflect that moment back to the audience. why then do you think it is important to take into consideration with the audience reaction is to that moment? why not do it with the commitment that you are going to say, this is important because it is about free speech and not principle as opposed to the feelings of the audience and i have to take that into consideration? >> i think there's a craft, it is an art form, and that's our goal, is to get to that point in the most, the most funny, and the most well-crafted way. so, we have to try things out over and over to even get the cadence right, the rhythm right, there's timing. there is syllabic things that

go on. but it's the only art form where the audience is part of the creative process. so, leonard bernstein, he never was conducting and then turned to the insurance adjuster in the second row and said, what do you think, too much oboe? but that's how we figure it out. we can sit and write all day and be like this is hilarious and then get in front of an audience and it's like, no, not there yet. >> what you think has been the reason for this change in terms of the emergence of cancel culture? is it because the jokes that you use deliver, as you said in the clip that we played, used to be for the intimate room that you were delivering the joke in? or the confined room that it was in? now somebody takes it, they're watching it. >> and you know what we have? social media. so people can get on, take something out of context, say this is what i heard, this is what this comedian said, they just come, the people just, i

can't believe that happened. we are giving a people a soap soap box that don't deserve a soapbox and i think the world has changed. jokes that were funny 20 years ago, words have different meanings now. we have all the as well. >> let me ask you tangentially, something that dwayne "the rock" johnson said this week, he said he's not going to endorse any presidential candidate, he regretted because the division that came from that. do you think this is a case of trying to avoid being canceled but we also put ourselves in these situations where we don't want to give an opinion? or in some cases where you crack a joke for that joke is being used to paint you as a person who has these values? if you are a person who cracks a joke about a certain group that means you must take that group or dislike that group? >> i don't think a joke about a group of people is >> is indicative. >> you can talk about one person who has characteristics

that, our ancestry, there are certain stereotypes that come from the truth. and our history. i think if you're specifically talking about one person, and they have these characteristics, you can't do that to an entire group of people and he's kind of a coward. either say, or don't be into politics. >> the both the right and left equally guilty? >> the left, crybabies, everything is offensive, i can't believe you said that. and the right, conspiracy theories, lies, disparage people, incite violence. it's a whole soup. >> judy, always a pleasure, thank you so much, thank you for making time for us. canceled, the story of cancel culture, starts right now.