right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the arizona supreme court's abortion decision upholding a 160-year-old near total ban on abortion rocking the state and putting republican candidates on the spot in a key swing state. the president today. >> did arizona go too far? >> they did. it will be straightened out. it's all about states' rights. arizona is going to change. everybody wants that to happen. you are getting the will of the

people. >> i'm sorry, that was the former president. in a moment i will talk to the attorney general on her pledge to not enforce the law. the problem it's creating for women and providers. also, as president biden saying all sides are still negotiating a cease-fire and calling israel's prime minister netanyahu's approach in gaza a mistake in a just released interview. more of my conversation with a former hostage on her captivity and those still held captive, including her husband. >> i'm finished and sick and tired of hearing that they're doing everything they can and keith is still there. the hostages are there. they need to come home. i'm begging you. anybody that can help. this hour, the president's schedules to hold a joint press conference with japan's prime minister, as they focus on combining mutual defenses against threats from china.

good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. arizona stepping back into the 19th century, reinstating a near total abortion ban dating back to the civil war when lincoln was president, slavery was legal, arizona wasn't a state, woman couldn't vote. all of this half a century before women even got the right to vote. bombshell state supreme court decision making it a felony, punishable by two years minimum to five years maximum in prison for anyone who performs an abortion or helps a woman obtain one, except when the mother's life is in danger. no exception for rape or insist. state attorney general says she will not endorse what she calls a draconian law. we will speak with her. reproductive advocates have two weeks to remain any remaining issues. 45 days before changes take

affect. that puts us into june, the height of the presidential campaign season. one of the nation's most crucial battleground states. arizona is facing one of the most high profile senate races. kari lake called the abortion ban great when she was running for governor two years ago. now she says she's against it. arizona is one of at least 11 states looking to enshrine abortion rights into its constitution with ballot initiatives this fall. we start with yamiche alcindor. this 1864 territorial ban -- they were not a state in arizona -- and the state ballot initiative highlighting the role abortion is having on this fall's campaign. >> certainly, andrea. reaction to this decision has been far reaching. president biden and democrats across the country have largely condemned this ruling, saying it's cruel and will put women's lives in danger.

we are hearing from women in arizona who saying this is something they could never have imagined that they would have a law dating all the way back 1864. republicans are trying to walk a fine line. this week, of course, we have president trump come out and say this should be left to the states. a few moments ago when he landed in atlanta, he said this. this is going to have to be straightened out. the states are putting out what they. it's the will of the people. he said, florida will probably change. arizona is going to change. you see former president trump there trying to say, maybe in some ways this is not exactly what people want in arizona, that that might change. he is referencing florida which will put in a six-week ban on abortion. you have republicans in arizona who are running for office, they are distancing themselves from this. arizona senate candidate karrie

-- kari lake called it a great law. yesterday, she called it out of step with arizonians. you have democrats wanting to capitalize on this issue. we have seen ballot initiatives succeeding for people who are pro abortion rights. you have republicans who say they lost big in 2022 and they are worried about losing big in 2024 because of this issue. >> yamiche alcindor starting us off. >> this is what arizona's minority whip. >> somebody took care of me. somebody gave me a procedure so i wouldn't have to experience another miscarriage, the pain, the mess, the discomfort. now we're talking about whether or not we should put that doctor in jail. this is outrageous.

i have had enough. the people of arizona have had enough. we are electing roe choice candidates in november. watch it happen. that's all i have to say. >> now arizona's attorney general joins us. you were there. you saw that. it was deeply affecting to a lot of people, men and women. you vow not to prosecute. most of your county attorneys agree. one in one of the counties, a republican, he is arguing in favor of the 1864 statute. an executive order signed by the governor gives you authority. how do you prepare to face this if your authority is challenged? how long can you keep this going, until the election, until it's on the ballot? >> thank you for having me. absolutely, we intend to keep

the promise that i have made all along to not prosecute any doctor, any medical professional, any woman under this insane, egregious, affront to freedom, 1864 abortion ban. i believe that we will succeed in that. i have also promised to fight any effort by any county attorney, whether it's dennis mcgrane or anyone else, in our 15 counties who tries to prosecute anyone under this 1864 abortion ban. we will see if they challenge me on that. we also have, as was mentioned, on your show, the fact that arizonians are going to be able to take matters into their own hands this coming november. i can promise you, i believe that they are resoundingly going to make it clear that abortion

rights should be enshrined in the arizona constitution. >> have you decided whether you are going to try to take this directly to the supreme court or perhaps take constitutional questions back to state courts? what is your road, do you think, legally? >> that's exactly what we're examining right now. we have not given up. we will not give up on our attempts to prevent this 1864 ban from going into affect in arizona, as you mentioned. we have a period of time here over the next 60 days or so to continue to fight this in the courts. i'm also in conversations with my fellow attorneys general, democratic ags across the country who have shown an outpouring of support to the state of arizona, wanting to know how they can help women in arizona. so we are going to be putting together a plan for helping

women in case this 1864 ban goes into place. we will have some announcements coming up. the vice president of the united states reached out to me to ask how the federal government could help arizona. so we're in crisis here in arizona. it's chaotic. arizonians woke up to this decision yesterday and were grappling with it today. i have to say, i think it's just atrocious and unbelievable that the former president, donald trump, would say that he thinks arizona went too far. this is on him. this is on donald trump. it was donald trump and donald trump's united states supreme court that overturned roe v. wade. he celebrated this. the supreme court did this and sent it to states. this is why arizona is now

dealing with an 1864 abortion ban. >> i was so affected. i'm sure you were. someone you know, clearly, the minority whip, the state senator, there's so much that these politicians don't seem to know about women's health, about miscarriages, about the toxicity of carrying a non-viable fetus and what happened to the woman in texas who has now been memorialized in the campaign ad. >> it's so true, andrea. they are so clueless. utterly and completely clueless about what women go through in pregnancies. i'm a mom. i had my child through ivf. eva described what happened to her and what she needed to do.

we are hearing also stories, andrea, about doctors and nurses crying, you know, who provide abortion services, not knowing what comes next. the emotion of this is so strong. obviously, the women of our state going through processing this decision and trying to figure out what to do next. i can promise you that we are going to help women through this. we're going to find solutions for them. we are going to fight like hell to make sure that this 1864 ban does not get implemented in our state and then, of course, in november the people of arizona are going to make sure of that through the ballot initiative. >> thank you so much, attorney general from arizona. thank you. >> thank you.

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what hope are you getting from u.s. officials about a deal, any kind of breakthrough? >> i want to believe that keith and the hostages will be out, because they belong with us, with their families. i want to hear good things. i want the politicians to give me hope. i want to tell you that politics, i have not got any room in my heart for any politics. i just have room for keith and for the hostages. i want them, the politics, to understand that it's not politics that's talking about people, human, that have got no human rights, that need to get out of there as soon as possible. keith is 64. he has been treated in a bad, brutal way. i know that because i've been there. i want to hear only good things from the politicians. i'm finished and sick and tired

of hearing that they are doing everything they can, and keith is still there. the hostages are there. the girl that was with me that i know was attacked because she told me he touched her. i'm scared she's going to come home pregnant. i don't want to think about it, if she will come home with a child. she needs to come home. they need to come home. i'm begging you. anybody that can help. we came to america, to the united states to talk for them, because they can't talk, because they are begging that somebody will listen and hear them. they are suffering with people that don't treat them -- don't give them food, don't even give them water, don't even allow them to stand and move their body. >> how are you doing physically?

how have you recovered from 51 days in -- without food, without water, and at times in tunnels? >> i was very, very weak. i could hardly walk. i lost ten kilos while i was there. i did not get my right medicine because there was blood tests showed. i'm worried keith isn't getting what he needs to get. he has high blood pressure. he needs to come home. >> what about the other hostages whom you were with down there, the other women? were you separated from the men, for the most part? >> we were with another three girls some of the times. some of the times it was just keith and i. we were separated. they moved keith and i 13 times. so we were with lots and lots of terrorists that didn't treat us well and starved us. shouted at us and threatened us

and pushed us and pulled my hair. they shaved keith one of the days looking like an arab and told him he needs to share his whole body. then laughed at him. they told the girls one of the times to take a shower and had to leave the door open for them to watch them. one of the girls, they hit her with a stick. she didn't even scream. she said she didn't want to give them the pleasure of them hurting her. we were scared of them. we did everything they told us. they told us to lie down, we lay down. they told us not to move, we didn't move. they told us to keep quiet, we kept quiet, while they didn't even let us talk. or move. >> what is your message to america? >> the message to the whole

world, wake up. i want peace for the whole world. i want good for the people in gaza. i want people -- good for people in israel. i want good for the people all around the world. it can't be that terrorist, bad, mean people like that can control the world in the way they can. something needs to change. america, united states, the whole world can't keep quiet. by keeping quiet and not believing what's happening there means that everybody can touch girls, starve anybody they want to. anybody can kidnap somebody with their pajamas. people that are innocent and leave kids without parents or kill husbands next to their wives or kill children or rape mothers in front of their children or burn people alive. i come from kibbutz. we were 63 people murdered.

they are my neighbors. i know them. i have been living there for more than 40 years. i've been married to keith for 43 years. my heart is broken up into pieces. 186 days i'm going through hell. i'm sure that everybody in the world can understand if i say, i went through hell. now i'm going through hell now with keith there. people that i know that are there and other people, hostages that i know. i think that we have had enough. somebody needs to help. i'm begging biden to be strong enough -- stronger, stronger than hamas, stronger than the bad people there. >> aviva, my heart is with you. thank you so very much. >> thank you.

>> aviva and the other hostages with whom i have spoken are sympathetic to the terrible things that are happening to the people in gaza as well. they want more after priority placed by this government on their -- getting their loved ones home. joining us now is democratic senator chris van holland from maryland. senator, these meetings with hostage families are truly heartbreaking. some of them felt in the presence very tough call with prime minister netanyahu that not enough focus was put on what their families are going through as well. understandably. >> andrea, i agree with them. i think we're turning the

hostage -- it should be a top priority. i met yesterday here in my office with two hostage families whose sons are being held by hamas as we speak. we need a cease-fire and a return of all the hostages. i'm glad that the discussions are still ongoing in cairo. it's essential that hamas accept the deal that has been put on the table. a cease-fire, release the hostages, that needs to be the priority of every government, in my view. >> in fact, the hope from the u.s. government is that a cease-fire can then be extended. the last time there was the brief cease-fire, there was no -- there were no attacks by iranian surrogates, proxies. the cease-fire seemed to have an influence on that as well.

we are now, of course, anticipating iran may be retaliating against israel for the presumed strike by israel in damascus. there's a lot in play here. a cease-fire gets aid in. you can't get the aid in without a cease-fire. we have seen that tragically with world central kitchen. you have been the leader -- i was going to say, you have been a leader of the democratic effort, senators to condition the aid. tell me, do you see any movement there? all indications are that the president is not willing to go there yet. >> we do need a cease-fire to return the hostages. in the meantime, we also need to address the disastrous humanitarian situation in gaza. over 2 million palestinians who have nothing to do with hamas should not be suffering because of unnecessary restrictions on access to aid into gaza.

while it's true that the conflict makes it more difficult, there are many places around the world where there have been conflicts, where we have been able to get sufficient aid in to the civilian population. so it's been quite clear that the netanyahu government, for a very long time, put up unnecessary restrictions to getting aid into gaza and failed to properly make it safe to deliver that aid withindopting see in other conflict zones. of course, we saw the terrible killing of seven foreign aid workers. as you know, there have been 200 palestinian aid workers that have been killed already during this war. what i and many others have said is that the netanyahu government

should respect the requests of the president of the united states to allow more aid into gaza, to respect president biden's red line with respect to rafah. it needs to be a two-way street. we should not be providing blank checks, until the president's reasonable requests have been met. >> the very day the president was criticizing prime minister netanyahu, the state department and the white house were approving previously approved bombs, 2,000-pound bombs. these are offensive weapons. these are the kind of bombs that were used in the third week of the war against a refugee camp, which turn a lot of people against israel. as the president was describing to netanyahu, this is not working for israel in terms of world opinion. he also -- let me play a little bit of an interview taped last

week where he was more critical of israel. >> what i will tell you is i think what he is doing is a mistake. what i am calling for is for the israelis to call for a cease-fire, allow for the next six, eight weeks total access to all food and medicine going into the country. >> do you see, for instance, if the threat to go into rafah or if enough aid is not delivered or if obstacles are put in place by israel, do you see that there would be a move towards conditioning anything other than defensive weapons? >> so, andrea, i do think we need to break this pattern we have seen for weeks and months where the president of the united states says to prime minister netanyahu, allow more humanitarian assistance in,

address the issue of high levels of civilian casualties, only to have the president of the united states mostly ignored and then we send 2,000-pound bombs, as you mentioned. clearly, in order to ensure that the president's reasonable requests are met, that we have a two-way street, i do think that we should say to the netanyahu government, you need to meet the requirements, the reasonable requirements that president biden has laid out before you receive more u.s. taxpayer-funded offensive weapons. we have exempted from this whole dialogue and discussion defensive systems like iron dome. but when it comes to offensive systems, whether it's 2,000-pound bombs, offensive aircraft, the goal is not to say, no more offensive weapons, but the goal is to say that

before the united states and u.s. taxpayers send more weapons, before we do that, we need evidence, results on the ground, we have to end the starvation of over 100,000 people on the verge of famine, reduce the number of civilian casualties and respect president biden's red line when it comes to rafah. >> senator, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, a man on a mission. my report on the push by warren buffet's son to get support of ranchers for ranchers in ukraine. that's next on msnbc. ukraine. that's next on msnbc and minera, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪)

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the long delayed aid package for ukraine is still stalled in the house, even though it passed overwhelmingly with strong republican support in the senate two months ago. president zelenskyy saying, ukraine will lose the war without that u.s. aid. i caught up with howard buffett in oklahoma city. he has been talking to ranchers and farmers across america about the importance of supporting ukraine. oklahoma, known for wheat fields and cattle ranches. nearly 6,000 miles from the battlefields of ukraine, but people in both places may have more in common than they think. why are you doing this? why are you traveling across the country talking to farmers about

ukraine? >> i'm trying to talk to anybody who will listen. what happens if ukraine will have a huge impact on what happens in this country. >> ukraine, a top grain exporter. but vladimir putin's invasion decimated production. exports plummeting. farmers' livelihoods destroyed. populations from egypt to south africa scrambling for grain. we joined an illinois farmer howard buffett on the third stop of a tour across the u.s., bringing the plight of ukraine's farmers to the american heartland, in partnership with the german marshall fund, he has one goal, to convince farmers here to support farmers over there. >> if ukraine falls to russia, i will -- there's no other lodgic -- logical conclusion

than nato fights russia. you will wake up one day and we will be in it. we will be in it and our kids will be fighting. somebody will fight. >> the farmers and ranchers we talked to sympathize with the farmers in ukraine, but it feels far away. >> i get in my tractor. i don't worry about a bomb going off. i worry about how much fuel is in the tank, what station is on the radio and what the markets are doing. i don't have to worry about my life. those farmers should enough have to worry about their life and whether they will go home that night to their family. >> buffett brought together oklahoma locals, cattle ranchers, poultry producers. >> their cheap grain is putting us at a disadvantage. >> it's a huge issue for the world to hold the line here and protect ukrainians. >> support them for ethical,

moral and selfish reasons. >> we get caught up in our day-to-day lives. you don't think about big things that happen on a global scale. >> buffett told me in the first two years of the war, his foundation spent half a billion dollars supporting ukrainian farmers, providing 70 combines, 84 tractors, drills, and new grain storage facilities to replace what the russians bombed. they stopped by a church in oklahoma, a parish built by ingran immigrants fleeing russian oppression in the 1920s. i spoke to the father about what's at stake. is it difficult to explain that here in oklahoma where a war in ukraine seems far away? he says even though it's far away, people know that this war is very serious. what happens if russia wins, if

vladimir putin wins? he says, i think god will not allow this to happen. i believe even the united states and the european union won't let this happen. born in wealth, the son of the billionaire warren buffett, howard could remain on the sidelines but doesn't. you could be living a different life. why do you do this? >> my mom and dad gave me this opportunity. i would say it's an obligation, but it doesn't feel like an obligation. it's something i love to do. it's a privilege for me to be able to do it. >> a son of privilege with a passion for helping farmers feed the hungry around the world. my thanks to howard and his foundation and the german marshall fund for letting us visit with them on that tour as they continue to try to get the farmers, ranchers and other people in america to be more aware of what's happening in ukraine. in a new interview, president

biden is calling on speaker johnson to have the courage, his word, to hold a vote on aid to ukraine, despite donald trump's opposition and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene threatening to oust the speaker. the motion to vacate if he allows it to come to the floor. >> if we had a vote tomorrow, if the new speaker of the house of representatives had the guts to call for a vote on ukraine, it would pass overwhelmingly. i'm hoping the speaker of the house begins to use -- have the courage to know -- i'm confident he knows what has to be done. >> joining me now is democratic congressman jason crow. he knows what it's like to be in the trenches. he was in ukraine two months ago. thank you very much. ukraine is running out of ammo. more importantly, perhaps -- they can get ammo from the eu, which is putting up a lot of money. they can't get the american weapons that they need.

they need air defense. they need long-range missiles. >> that's right. they need both the weapons systems that only the united states can provide, but they also do need the ammunition. the simple fact of the matter is that europe and other nato countries just do not have the production capability that the united states has. it's absolutely essential that mike johnson, speaker johnson put the senate bill on the floor for a vote. it would immediately go to the president. we would be able -- the badly needed support that ukraine needs right now, which is in our national security interest. as your prior piece pointed out, this is important for securing food supply, it's important for securing our economy. europe is our nation's largest trading partner. it's also important for making sure that other autocrats and dictators around the world don't decide to do what vladimir putin did. we have to stop this now. >> how do you see this evolve

ing? all of a sudden, donald trump came out against it, lindsey graham began to change his position and did not go to the munich security forum, the critical weekend when zelenskyy came, the vice president was there, navalny was killed, navalny's wife pleaded for her country, all of this was happening. congress went on the recess. now they are back. they have got the very important impeachment of mayorkas. when is ukraine going to get to be front and center? >> it should have passed five months ago. time is not on our side here. there's no doubt.

the political -- you have moscow marjorie taylor greene, who is also in real time perpetuating putin propaganda. folks like tucker carlsons goin. more importantly, time is not on our side. there are real consequences on the battle feed. the ukrainians are fighting with courage, great resiliency. but you can't fight unless you have bullets. they are running out. they can win. they can win this. it's that stark. with our support, they can win. without our support, they can't. we have to get this done. we have to support the ukrainians in a fight that's in our self-interest. >> thank you so much. jason crow from colorado, it's good to see you. thanks for your experience and your perspective on this. >> thank you. allied front.

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you are looking at the white house. the rose garden, the south grounds, where at any minute president biden will hold a joint press conference with japan's prime minister kishida fumio. joining us is senator jeanne shaheen. just returned from a trip to the indo-pacific, which included a visit to japan. you are an expert on all of this. we are told the president and prime minister have been working toward what a top japanese official called in a recent op-ed, an epic reordering the japan's military policies,

focusing on mutual defenses against china. as a result of this and a meeting to come that they will have the head of the philippines, is this not going to lead to more chinese threats and aggression? are we getting into a cycle here? >> i don't think so. to go to your earlier segment, one of the things we heard on our trip from japan officials who we met with, republic of korea officials we met with, they are following. they want to see the funds in there for the indo-pacific. they are supporting ukraine in this fight against russia. they think it's important to stand up to the territorial infringement that china is doing against japan's territorial waters, against the philippines, vietnam's territorial waters in

the south china sea and the violations of international law for freedom of navigation. we were very pleased everywhere we went, people were interested in partnering with the united states. >> in terms of the chinese threat, there's a new report today that we have been following by an important republican member, the head of the china select committee, mike gallagher, who is retiring from congress. mike gallagher from wisconsin. knows that area so well. a seven-year veteran of the marines and a ph.d. in all of that. has got a lot of experience. he is saying that the biden administration is being too conciliatory to china. that we actually could benefit from a tougher stance and that we are letting china push us

around too much, and that a new cold war with china would not be a bad thing as a deterrent. what do you think? >> i disagreement with the underlying assessment. what we heard from the countries that we visited -- the philippines is also going to be part of the trilateral summit with japan. the effort to develop our allies, to build up their defense capabilities in the indo-pacific, the importance of connecting what's happening in ukraine and europe to what china is doing in the indo-pacific, we are working with the philippines, we have a new comprehensive strategic partnership with vietnam, we have the office initiative that we are doing with australia, the united kingdom and other countries in the region who are interested in joining. what we're going to hear from japan is, they are doubling their defense budget. they are developing a new

counterstrike capability. they are really ramping up in ways that are important as we look at the threat from the prc and as we develop those allies that allow us to better push back against what the prc and the chinese are doing in that region. >> let me pivot to ukraine, where the senate aid bill, as you know, has been stuck in the house for two months. former president trump pressuring the speaker not to even bring it up for a vote. president zelenskyy saying they could lose the war without these weapons from the u.s., without the ammo. we have troops in trenches, he told us that when we were in munich at the security forum in february. now it's several months later. there's still no progress on this. what hopes do you have for some kind of an agreement? will you have to take out the israel piece of it and maybe more of the other things that are in that supplemental and just do a ukraine standalone now

that israel is more controversial? how do you see this playing out? >> we can't do that. they can't pass something in the house that will come back to the senate and take an additional month or two months to get through the senate. we need to have that the house pass the senate bill. we had a hearing this morning with samantha power. we asked her about the humanitarian assistance in the bill for gaza and places in latin america and africa where they are desperate because famine is hitting there. what was -- what she acknowledged and what members of the committee said is that millions of people are going to die, in ukraine, in africa, in latin america, around the world if we don't pass the national supplemental security bill. the house members who are holding it up, who are

perpetuating russian propaganda in ways that are untrue, are doing a disservice to the nation and the world. >> that point of view is echoed by two powerful house chairs of intelligence and of homeland security, turner and mccall, who have been speaking out about how russian propaganda is being repeated by republican house members on the floor of the house. >> absolutely. >> thank you, senator jeanne shaheen. allen weisselberg is headed back to jail. this is "andrea mitchell reports." you are watching msnbc. you are c [both] because i said cologuard®!

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conference at any moment be president biden and japan's prime minister set to start soon. first, former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg heading back to rikers island sentenced today to five months in jail after pleading guilty to two counts of perjury. weisselberg admitted he lied under oath during donald trump's civil fraud trial when he testified that he was not involved in inflating the value of mr. trump's properties. joining me now is former u.s. attorney paul trotten. the five-month sentence, this is the second time he's going to be behind bars. are there any repercussions for mr. trump? >> there could be. undoubtedly what prosecutors wanted here was an opportunity to get mr. weisselberg to cooperate against mr. trump or the trump o. and as you pointed out, andrea, this is his second felony conviction, his second time that he'll be incarcerated at age 77 years of age, and nowhere inside this plea agreement is there any

requirement that mr. weisselberg cooperate against former president trump. but what it will do is prevent mr. weisselberg in a very real way from testifying in this upcoming hush money trial for former president trump, for former president trump's benefit, because mr. weisselberg is now a convicted perjurer, he's a convicted tax avoider and any credibility that he might otherwise have had assigned or any hope that former president trump could get any favorable testimony that would be credible at all in front of a jury is evaporated with this currency sentence of five months in rikers for mr. weisselberg. >> and speaking of that new york trial and interestingly, judge merchan is not framing it as a hush money case, he's framing it as an election interference case. jury selection set to begin on monday. today there was another attempt to delay the trial with a hearing later, are these last ditch delay attempts standard in

the final days before the start of a trial? >> there is nothing about any of these many prosecutions that former president trump is facing that you would call standard. other than to say that delay always benefits the defendant. and here former president trump i'm sure would very much like to put this trial off until after the election or never have the trial at all. but the arguments that he's making, this idea that he can't get a fair trial in manhattan based upon polls is meaningless. it's not valuable. and i doubt very much that any court as they already have, would allow that kind of argument to slow this trial to go forward. they've already rejected it. the idea that somehow he can't get a fair trial in manhattan doesn't make sense because there's going to be a very thorough jury selection process that's going to take place monday. jury trials take place all the time with just this kind of jury

selection. we have to have faith in our criminal justice system as we go forward here with this upcoming trial. >> paul charlton, thank you so much. a quick programming note, on monday msnbc is going to have special coverage all day for the start of the first of donald trump's criminal trials. with jury selection beginning in the new york hush money trial, the election interference case. our coverage begins at 10:00 a.m., and that will be coverage with ana cabrera and josé diaz-balart and then i'll pick it up at noon with katy tur and chris jansing. with congress back in town, speaker mike johnson is again under threat of losing his job in a major addition agreement over aid to ukraine, but now democratic disagreements over aid to israel are also a major stumbling block. joining us now is brendan buck, former top communications adviser to paul ryan and boehner and "politico's" white house correspondent eugene daniels. the speaker his contentious

relationship with marjorie taylor greene and also an interview with christian broadcasting network. >> with regard to marjorie taylor greene. she's a colleague, i've always considered her a friend. marjorie and i are going to visit later today, and look forward to the conversation. >> marjorie taylor greene, are you going to speak to her this week? have you spoken to her? >> i've tried over the two-week break. she wasn't interested in speaking. >> brendan, you've worked for two speakers. how does this compare? >> not a good sign. i know that she met with him just recently. it doesn't sound like he won her over at all. i think the threat is very real for the speaker and it really does come down to how he handles ukraine. i think at this point he cannot count on marjorie taylor greene to not bring that motion to vacate. i think that's almost certain: there's almost nothing he can do that's going to keep her in a good place. it only takes one member to

bring it up. the real question then becomes what will democrats do? will democrats save him or do what they did to kevin mccarthy and say this is not our problem. i think how he handles the ukraine issue, whether he alienates democrats in the process will determine whether or not he is speaker. either way, not a good spot to be in. either facing a motion to vacate or being the republican speaker who's only there because democrats backed you. i think that's the better outcome but neither is enviable for a republican speaker. >> those are the signals coming from democrats. they don't want to have another vacancy which went on for weeks, there were many votes for a speaker, and no one was able to close the deal on this speaker. donald trump had more thoughts on why jewish and black voters should vote for him over joe biden. listen to what he said in atlanta just moments ago and in a radio interview on monday. >> any jewish person that votes

for a democrat or votes for biden, should have their head examined. >> jewish people by habit, they just -- they vote for the democrat, and black people by habit vote for the democrats. >> why? >> but now the african american population, we're at the highest level anyone's ever been at as a republican. nobody's done more than i have. i say nobody's done more since abraham lincoln. i actually wanted to go beyond abraham lincoln, but some people thought that wasn't a good thing to do so i left it at that. >> i don't know where to start from the anti-semitic meme about jews who vote for joe biden or when him comparing himself to the man who emancipated the slaves. >> yeah, i'm not sure how much further you can go in helping black people than freeing them from the terrors of slavery. you know, this is things that we've seen from donald trump over and over and over again. it is true that he is doing better with black voters in polling, right?

that is something that i think no one really has at this point the answer to exactly why. us as reporters and them as politicians are trying to figure that out. democrats trying to stop it, and the republicans trying to capitalize on it. but these are the kinds of ways that when you -- when donald trump speaks about certain types of voters, he talks about them. he talks about them as doing things because they've always done it, not because they are making -- often making their own decisions about who they want to be in the white house or to be in congress or any kind of office. i will say these kinds of things are going to continue to come back because democrats i've been talking to are laser focused on making sure he doesn't gain inroads with jewish voters or black voters or latino voters. so both donald trump is going to continue to say things like this likely, but democrats are going to continue to highlight this as we get closer to november. >> brendan, very briefly in the

few seconds we've got left, do you think ukraine aid is going to ever get on the floor? >> i think it's still a very real possibility. if you're facing a situation that i just outlined, maybe just the right thing to do is what you believe is the right thing to do. and i think as speaker you have a new perspective on the importance of winning this war. it's easy to criticize it when you're a rank and file member, but when the weight of what could potentially happen to ukraine is on your shoulders, i think it looks like a really positive thing to do, and i think he might just push forward. >> brendan buck, eugene daniels, thanks for bringing it home. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. from chief financial officer to a jail cell, donald trump's long-time lieutenant allen