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what's next as the issue takes center stage in the fight for president. then, with just days to go until his hush money trial, strum tries again to delay the case. us, with today's hotter than expected inflation report, news for your wallet before the election. as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. >> good evening, i'm in for stephanie ruhle. we are now 209 days away from the election. 101 million americans live in a state where almost all abortions are banned. that is about 30% of the population of this country. with this week's decision, arizona becomes the 17th state on that list. today, state democrats tried to introduce bills to quickly repeal the 1864 law but republicans removed one bill from the agenda, then went to recess before lawmakers could vote on another. on monday, trump said abortion

should be left up to the states, but now he says this particular state made the wrong move. >> mr. president, did arizona go too far? >> yeah, they did, and that'll be straightened out. and as you know, it's all about states rights. that'll be straightened out, and i'm sure that the governor and everybody else i going to bring it back into reason, and that will be taken care of i think very quickly. >> trump also said he would not sign a national abortion ban if congress passed it. we'll talk about that in a minute. today, president biden's campaign again appealing to the arizona ruling squarely on trump, saying trump did this, and he'll do it again. vice president harris is going to go to arizona on friday, she was just there last month talking about the threat of the civil war era band being reinstated. >> 1864. understand, 1864. before women had the right to vote. before women could own

property. before arizona was even admitted as a state. look, these extremists, they're trying to take women back to the 1800s. but we're not going to let them. we're not going to let them. >> meanwhile, a key ally of president biden has some interesting advice about parts of his campaign messaging. politico obtained audio of the former chief of spat staff speaking at a event, saying the president is talking too much about bridges and not enough about bringing down the cost of living. in an interview, he told politico he is proud of what biden has accomplished so far, but argues this election needs to be about the future. with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel, ashley parker, senior national political correspondent for the washington post, and msnbc political analyst. little white house correspondent and msnbc contributor eugene daniels, and miles taylor, cofounder and

senior adviser at former dhs chief of staff, also the author of the book, blowback, a warning to save democracy from trump's revenge. is out in paperback this week. good evening to you all, eugene, let's start with you and your reporting on these comments from ron klain. didn't seem like he really backed off the comments he made in the audio, what else do we need to know? >> not at all. he said he wasn't criticizing the president, but then went on and talked about the exact same things that had heard and that audio. essentially what he was trying to say is that the kinds of things that he thinks works for this president is when he is talking like he talked at the state of the union. that was something that came up over and over again when i spoke with him after i called him for comment, after i heard the audio. what he said was, the bridges are important, it's an important aspect of the president has done, but he thinks the president is much better off when he's talking about a contrast between what he's doing on pricing and what

the republicans have or don't have, what plans they have and don't have. it's not something that went over well with folks in the biden campaign, in the biden white house that are quite frustrated by this, because they say these are the things we are doing, we are talking about lowering prices. i think what mclean was getting at was some of the concerns that democrats have, we know democrats are often people that are quite nervous, but the thing that they're nervous about is that this is a campaign that talks about very lofty things, like freedom, and democracy, things that are not always easily defined for every single american. everyone thinks about it a little differently. he's trying to push them to think about the things that are easily defined. we are a party that wants to lower drug prices. we are a party that cares about protecting medicare and social security, which is what came

up. i will say, he's backed off a little bit after my colleague, but, i think the theory of the case is still there, that there is concerns within the democratic party about what the message is for the biden administration, the biden campaign. >> i want to be clear, the reason we're talking about this is that the stakes of this election could not be higher, because democracy itself is on the line, and part of what democrats are working through is how you have the message that breaks through in what is a chaotic and asymmetric playing field. how do they make that contrast that eugene, i wonder what you were hearing from dems about what they believe that should look like. >> eugene is right in the sense that democracy being, you could see that as a 101 lecture course in college, lofty, not that tangible. so what democrats are telling me is they have to make this real, the stakes and what

democracy being on the ballot, the most tangible way to do this is to impart through january 6th, there is still far president trump is trying to do a lot of revisionist history. but there is a lot of real footage at the nation's capital that day, and it is violent, and it is harrowing. that is the sort of thing, according to democrats, we should expect to see in ads, in messaging, and reminding voters, for some people it seems quite fresh, and for others, they think it's worth remembering, when there were smoke bombs going off in the capital, images of lawmakers fleeing for their lives, when there's protesters throwing things in camo dressed in military battle, on the

national mall, outside the capital. >> there's a much revisionist history on the part of republicans about what happened on january 6th, there's also revisionist history on the part of voters about how the economy was. under donald trump. and we know that even if everything breaks joe biden's way when it comes to these economic indicators over the next several months, you're still going to have donald trump and republicans who will hammer him on the price of food, on the price of gas, continue to exaggerate his own economic record. i wonder how democrats combat that, how to get out from under that. >> one thing i want to point out, first, your point about january 6th and the revisionism. it's gotten into even deeper, crazy conspiratorial levels. just today, from trump's universe was talking about how there were intelligence officers from newly released filings that they found on capitol hill, i can tell you

why there were people from the intelligence community there, because that's what happens when you call in law enforcement in the area. you've got people who safeguard cia property and fbi property, you call in different law enforcement agencies, i've overseen those activations. but these guys read those tea leaves like there was a secret up against the country run by the intelligence community. it's getting wackier and wackier, it's a different reality entirely. why is that connected economics? because those same weird conspiratorial views are bleeding over into conversations about things like inflation and the economy under donald trump. in fact, some of these conspiracy theory folks think joe biden has a secret for dimensional chest that he's trying to do things in the economy. it boils down to this, whether you're a democrat or republican, it's really tough to say the president of the united states is the one controlling the direction of

the economy. it's just really difficult to do. and economy is a very complex system, like anything in the natural world, and is difficult to ascribe it to one man or woman's action. president can have influence over that, but there's a lot of revisionist history about what happened under donald trump, including extraordinary levels of federal spending that happened under donald trump that drove inflation. as a conservative it was something that was immensely frustrating to me during the trump administration, is he promised a smaller government but instead was one of the biggest spenders, if not the biggest spender in american history. a lot of what we've dealt with in terms of inflation started during the trump years. >> one of the reasons i find what is happening in arizona so interesting is because in many ways you can look at arizona as a microcosm for what is happening politically across this country. so, today, you have the state legislature, it encapsulates the republican position right now on abortion, they went into

recess so they wouldn't have to vote on repealing the van. when you look at what is happening in arizona, how does it, what does it tell you about where national republicans are? the corner they have painted themselves into on this issue? >> this is the worst thing that could have happened to former president trump and republicans. it was a shot chaser, but the chaser brought no relief. because you had president trump coming out after going back and forth and wavering and finally making a statement that this should be left to the states, and before he made that, during this deliberations process, some of his advisers urged him to support the 15 week federal ban, but others warn him, they say if this goes back to the states, then you, and republicans, own every state decision. even the ones that are two restrictive and also the ones that your base things are not

restrictive enough. literally the next day arizona came out with one of the most restrictive rulings we can imagine, and it's been a fascinating to see kerry lake in arizona, distance herself from her own state decision, and trump, same thing. he says he wants it to the states but then in that clip you played at the beginning of the show, he said, but arizona did the wrong thing and they're going to straighten themselves out. and it's not really states rights if you want to dictate what the state will do. so, it's an incredibly tough position for trump and republicans to be in, and you will see democrats and president biden and vice president harris hammer this every single day, and make them on every single state decision that is politically problematic. >> part of the reason that is necessary is because of the weight of the former president

likes to bob and weave on this issue, have his cake and eat it too, where he both wants credit for the overturning of roe v wade, but he does not in any way want to take credit for something like this abortion ban that we're seeing out of arizona. what are you hearing from democrats? what are you hearing from the biden team about the way they hold his feet to the fire on this issue. >> is by repetition. it's by every single time that former president trump or kerry lake or any republican tries to back away a little bit from some of these decisions that are happening on the state level, and by reminding people, something trump reminds us all the time is that he is the reason that roe v. wade was overturned. he put three justices on the supreme court that did that. he is struggling as someone who loves to crow about the things that he has done, the kinds of things that he made promises on

and then kept those promises, and also that promise being something that is a vulnerability for not just him, but his entire party, since roe v. wade was overturned. and what you are going to see from this campaign, especially moving forward, is pointing that out in those swing states. arizona and florida are interesting because, for many reasons, but they're both likely to have some kind of referendum literally on the ballot about abortion. florida, probably not a swing state anymore as much as democrats hope that it is, but arizona kind of is really in play. when you talk to arizona democrats and national democrats who are going to be spending a lot of time and money, there, what they will tell you is that we are going to spend every single day reminding everyone that the reason that we're having this conversation starts and ends with donald trump, and also that donald trump, on his own abortion thought process for

years has been all over the place. at one point he said women should be punished, he was pro- choice in the past life, and now he is where he is. they want to tell the voters, you can't trust him on abortion, he says he's not going to sign a ban, but this is a man who has issues with the truth, and that's another aspect of this is reminding people that he lies from time to time. >> from time to time is a generous way to put it, my friend. you have the vice president headed to arizona to deliver this message. while you have speaker mike johnson going to mar-a-lago the same day to deliver remarks with trump about what they call election integrity. i need not remind you, donald trump is still lying about the 2020 election. i wonder what you make of the fact that this is the calendar priority for speaker johnson, myles. >> well, it just shows you how much the republican party has become the maga party.

from arizona and the total takeover of the party in the state, save for a handful of rational republicans like others who are trying to steer it back towards a different period, and we'll see how that goes. but, these issues, the trump issues are now front and center, and everyone is reading from his playbook. and what's remarkable about this, is just think back to a few years ago when these same republicans who are parroting trump's talking points were saying, don't worry, don't worry, he's going to cede control of power, there will be a fair transition, some of the claims are broad or overstated, and now they've completely rewritten history, they're parroting his talking points, but what's more worrisome to me is that conversations like this about election integrity seem to be seeding the narrative

that this election might already have problems in it before it's been held. i worry about the narrative they're trying to pedal ahead of time. >> 100%, the fact they are trying to jujitsu what democrats have rightfully said is a real challenge, which is there could be election issues as they relate to donald trump. ashley, i've only got a minute left but you had one republican source telling nbc news that johnson's trip to mar-a-lago might be meant to send a message to marjorie taylor greene that trump supports johnson at the same time broadening to try and oust him. i wonder what you're hearing. >> i think a lot of what speaker johnson is grappling with is how to maintain his fairly tenuous grip on the speakership. marjorie taylor greene and president trump, former president trump, are incredibly close. it's worth noting that former president trump's endorsement did not, in urging and cajoling, did not save former

speaker mccarthys speakership. but, to the extent that johnson and marjorie, appear to marjorie taylor greene to also be an ally of trump, that will help him forget about the policy, it will help him hold onto his speakership, that can be put under threat quite easily. >> quite easily indeed. ashley, myles, eugene, thank you all so much for getting us started. when we come back, donald trump has tried three times this week alone to delay his hush money trial. it is wednesday, and later, prices are still going up faster than anyone wants, today's new inflation report means for our economy in an election year. the 11th hour just getting underway on this wednesday night. sday night. boring does. boring makes vacations happen, early retirements possible, and startups start up. because it's smart, dependable, and steady. all words you want from your bank.

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with just five days to go before jury selection in trumps hush money case, he is doing everything he can to delay the trial. trying and failing three times just this week to get it pushed. today's attempt was so last- minute that court officials didn't even have a place to hold the hearing. so they held it in the basement. this as the trump organization cfo is headed back to jail, sentenced to five months on rikers island for lying under oath in trumps civil fraud trial. here to discuss, former federal prosecutor and senior writer for politico magazine.

are there any more delay tactics left in donald trump's mary poppins bag of tricks? >> there might be. he's found a few this week that i had not heard of before. it wouldn't surprise me if he has his lawyers filed a motion, try to take all of this to new york's highest court, or potentially to the supreme court. that process doesn't even have to necessarily end by monday. i don't expect any of these efforts to be successful in delaying the trial, but he clearly does not want this trial to happen. his lawyers seem to be quite willing to do his bidding. it's very unwise for his lawyers to be spending their time in the days before this trial wasting their time on these efforts. they should be preparing for that trial, preparing his defense. if trump has sent them off on this futile endeavor, it is not

to his benefit in the long run. >> as we often see, a nearly impossible client to have. i thought it was striking, lots of people trying to get out of new york jury duty, lawyers on both sides are worried about jurors with partisan agendas who are trying to get onto this case, just how unusual is that? as you are going through the process of selecting the jury, how do you get around that? >> it is very unusual, not entirely unprecedented. there was a trial in the federal court of manhattan that had to do with steve bannon's build the wall effort. been and was eventually pardoned but there was a trial, involving one person and the jury hung on that, because one person refused to convict, and it appeared to be as a result of political bias. this can happen, it is something i'm sure the dh office will intend to be quite vigilant about. as far as they can have this off, the judge has said in an order that he issued recently, that he's not going to ask the

jurors who they voted for, who they intended to vote for. he's released a bunch of questions that indicate whether people have worked with the trump campaign, have family members affiliated with the trump campaign, proxies for biases along those lines. >> i will add into that, it asks about their media consumption, which is an interesting lens through which to try to judge. >> it is. i don't think it's a particularly productive question. but, the lawyers maybe will want to ask follow-up questions and things like that. is not the question, to me, that i think would be really moving the needle much. it's more the questions about, have you worked for the trump campaign, do you have political opinions that might prevent you from being fair and impartial, things like that. >> have you showed up at any rallies. i wonder what you make of this allen weisselberg news, and what role you think he could play in the upcoming hush money trial. >> i see a couple of

implications, here. one, for the trial itself, i don't think it has much of an implications and because he would have been a very bad witness for either side to call. he's already been convicted of the tax fraud scheme related to trump organization, served five months for that, he's not a reliable witness for either side to call. i don't think it takes them off the board for the trial, however, i do think the d.a.s office, if trump is convicted, if that happens, and if the d.a.s office wants to seek a period of incarceration, they will be pointing to these prison sentences by weisselberg, both of them. they'll say this man was his cfo, he was sent to prison for engaging in criminal misconduct on trump's behalf, why should his boss, trump, who misused his own company for similar misconduct, be allowed to go free? i don't know if that will work, but that i'm sure is on the d.a.s office mind with respect to that sentence. >> i often remind my viewers,

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>> i think that the government shouldn't intrude in some of these matters. i'm not for abortion, but i think it's not the place of the state to punish women for deciding to have an abortion. >> the decision whether to have an abortion or not have an abortion should be left to every single individual human. to me, something like this isn't necessarily like a political right or something like that, it's more of a human right. >> those are arizona voters reacting to the state supreme court decision to uphold a ban on almost all abortions. the biggest fights of 2024 are all converging on arizona. first, the immigration debate, now the battle over

reproductive rights. let's not forget, this could be the state that decides control of the senate and the presidency. for more, i'm joined by victoria difrancesco soto, the dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas, and a msnbc political analyst, and tim miller, host of the bulwark podcast in the former communications director for jeb bush. friends, it is good to see you both. i'm so fascinated by arizona, it seems to be a prime example of the way republicans have really backed themselves into the corner on the order of abortions. >> and what horrible timing for donald trump, to put out a statement monday morning saying that he wants to leave this issue up to the states, thinking it'll be a get out of jail free card, then one of the states makes this absolute leader coney and 19th century literally decision. i think that abortion is going to be a problem for him everywhere. in arizona, it hits a confluence of a couple of factors.

number one, the republicans really, not just trump, the whole republican party in the state they used to dominate has been bleeding in maricopa county where phoenix is, and there's a lot of, center-right, i would even say, voters, that are mccain voters, ducey, that maybe consider themselves pro- life personally, but they're not for zero weak bands, they're not for making a mother carry their 's child to term. these very draconian bills, and those types of voters have already been moving against trump, already moving against the republicans, and now this crashes down, and that's going to accelerate that move even more, and i think that really you're going to see it the most dramatically in maricopa county, maybe anywhere in the whole country. >> to build on tim's point, i remember being in arizona during midterms and talking to voters as they were running in and out of the grocery store.

and asking them about this issue, and they framed it just as tim did which is a question of government overreach. this is too extreme, they've gone too far, you see momentum on the ground in arizona, there's a group arizona for abortion access. they say they've already gathered more than enough signatures to get an abortion measure on the ballot in 2024. looking at it in its totality, what does that signal to you? >> i see two things here, and first of all, let me preface this by saying i am an arizonan, i'm a native of the borderland of arizona. to understand the roots of arizona politics, it's really remembering it is the western state, and really a libertarian state at its core. the clip that you first played about voter, that gentleman, that is the face of the western libertarian. i think that this overreach from the arizona supreme court will have an effect on some of those voters. some of those voters who may

have held their nose and voted for trump again, that is going to have an effect. i'm not saying it's a vote for joe biden, perhaps staying home. there's that piece of it of that center-right. the other one is the mobilizing effect. the mobilizing effect among the democratic base, the democratic leaners, the young voters, young voters who don't have feeling disenchanted, aren't connecting with biden, but they see this draconian take on a fundamental right, that can help push them. you can't assume this in and of us up is going to do that, there's going to have to be a lot of mobilization between now and the november election. but that base, that segment, this is going to be a key factor for the mobilization. >> tim, to temporarily zoom out from arizona, 11 states are putting abortion on the ballot this fall. this is going to scramble the politics and the math, to

vicki's point, if you have voters who are coming out expressly to vote on this issue, >> yes, you notice nevada is a neighboring state, this is going to be another key state at the presidential level. we've seen this, really, ever since the overturn, that this issue has been a motivating issue for core democratic voters but also for more swing voters and democratic sympathies. it's not a total silver bullet issue. we saw in florida and ohio in the midterm, for example, there were cross pressure voters who voted for republican candidates, but opposed abortion. restrictions. to victoria's point, democrats are going to have to campaign on that, and tie the issue to the candidates, but definitely, the evidence that there has been a boost and arizona nevada, that is a strategic matter, for biden, the upper

wisconsin michigan pennsylvania, you have this mountain west area where this is going to be a key issue are going to be important. >> one of the reasons arizona is interesting to me, interesting to you, is it has the largest latino population of any battleground state. we had an axios poll showing that joe biden is losing ground to trump among latino voters. this is something we have seen in polling. so i come back to the question that is top of mind in homes like mine, and i'm sure in homes like yours which is, why is this happening? >> what we're seeing with latinos is that migration toward trump. but the latest poll that you cite, also shows that while there is that disenchantment toward president biden that there's still a firm hold for democratic issues, not as restricted immigration policy,

and abortion rights. i think the problem here really centers on the lack of connection with the candidates. the president joe biden is not connecting with the latino base like george w. bush did, even president barack obama did, before that. there's that problem, and there's a democratic party going to have to lean on surrogates, going to have to lean on down ballot. you have a strong senate candidate in arizona, so that's going to have to be key. president biden is not going to move the needle with latinos in arizona, one could argue it might even hurt. so you're going to have to focus beyond that very top of the ticket to the senate races, to the house races, and the trusted voices within the community to connect the dots. >> tim, a broader question, getting to know the candidate. first of all, he's been president for four years.

how are we still in a getting to know you phase? you have nbc reporting that biden is pushing a content overcrowd strategy, putting out social media videos of the president in small group settings. instead of holding big rallies. and i wonder what you make of this approach. >> i think it's okay, he's not going to get the crowd, it's an approach that he has to do. two me, the content is fine, and joe biden and his out with working-class voters, out with voters, that are not part of what people would think of as an elite, liberal audience. joe biden is good with those, his background with scranton joe, you can apply that to the latino community, for example in arizona. if you look at the numbers, there's some people out there that mostly generalize him working-class latino men that right now are saying they like gallego and trump. how can you speak to those

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local property taxes, which are also driving inflation. these are things the federal reserve can't directly control. inflation did come in hotter than expected. 3.5% over last year. the expectation was 3.4%. it was a little bit off but it does delay a rate cut, as he suggested until sometime later this year, assuming shelter, gasoline, and other prices continue to come down. the president is right. they have come down a lot over the last couple of years, not as much as everyone, particularly the fed had hoped. >> you did a good job of contextualizing global factors that impact these numbers. on housing specifically, why have those numbers remained so entrancing and? >> there's two major factors. number one, there's an enormous shortage of single-family homes in the united states. number one, interest rates shot up so fast, mortgage rates at one juncture were approaching 8%, now have going around 7%.

because most people locked in their mortgages during the pandemic will before, there mortgage rates are extraordinarily low and they are this incentivized to sell their homes and will do something that might be more expensive if they treat out of their existing homes. we have, in a way, a post pandemic down of existing single-family homes. we are short about 5 million housing units in the united states. that has pushed prices 40% above where they were in 2019. that has been a big problem. that shelter cost and rent more broadly has not come down as expected, as we thought they went over the last couple of months. >> as i've heard housing experts say, it creates a sense of insecurity, right? if you can't guarantee your families housing as a waistline, everything else feels unstable and insecure. do we see interest rate cuts

anytime soon, in your sons ? >> junior seems to have disappeared from the list of months in which the fed may cut rates. the fed is not going to cut interest rates until it is comfortable it is moving toward this objective, which is a 2% inflation rate. that is not necessarily the same inflation rate we saw this morning. the fed looks at different rates of inflation and arrives at a conclusion as to whether or not we are getting closer to the 2% target or moving further away. we will get a reading on wholesale inflation tomorrow morning and then we get more inflation data between now and the next fed meeting. it will take a couple of months to figure out if and when the fed cuts rates this year. >> on the politics of this, they are pretty clear. even, in focus groups, look at polling, people talk about, even when there was a sense inflation was moving the right direction, people were still talking about it. you will have donald trump criticizing president biden over this inflation report. he already has. my question is what is his big plan, then, to fight inflation? >> this is where it gets quite

interesting because the president, the former president, i should say, has proposed 10% tariff on all imported goods, 60% tariffs on products made in china and he has also proposed deporting millions and millions of immigrants, many of whom have come into our labor force and held wage goes down, which has dampened inflation to a certain extent. his plan, as he describes currently, would make inflation worse and would also likely simultaneously the recessionary. so, the answer is not a good answer. the best answer we can come up with right now is potentially the federal reserve keeps interest rates higher for longer and there are more programs that are focused on making housing affordable or increasing the supply of

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learning-disabled interviewers. >> how tall are you? >> what makes you cry? >> are you scared of birds? >> that is a brilliant question. >> the last thing before we go tonight, the assembly. in honor of autism acceptance week in the uk, the bbc aired a special in which 35 autistic, learning-disabled people asked questions of award-winning actor michael sheen. no questions or topics were off- limits as michael patiently answered all of their questions. many at home posted online they were moved to tears by the show and hope there will be more episodes soon. here is just one of those questions by a shy interviewer named leo. take a look. >> next up, leo has a question. >> hello, leo. >> come on, leo. >> that's all right. we have plenty of time.

>> do you want me to read it for you? you can do it. >> i know, it's all right. >> take as much time as you want. >> you say there is no other writer than dillon thomas. do you relate to his work more on a personal level because you are both wells? >> that is a fantastic question. it resonates with me i think because a lot of his references are my references. a lot of things he describes are places that i know, that i've been to, that are near where i live and i find the way he writes just really exciting and vivid and vital and i suppose quite celtic so quite well, i suppose. that definitely does resonate

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