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you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, battle ground blitz. vice president kamala harris heading to arizona days after a momentous abortion ruling. the strategy to paint donald trump as the architect of every post roe after shock. news clippings, hair spray, even a little shampoo, what a former trump aid told the fbi about what he thought was in the boxes of classified documents. plus, confessions of a cuban spy, a former u.s. ambassador expected to plead guilty in what authorities have called one of the highest and longest national security breaches in generations. and an nbc exclusive, how did a man on a terror watch list get released into the u.s. after border patrol caught him? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin with nbc ease yamiche alcindor in tucson, arizona, where the vice president is planning to hammer donald trump on the issue of

abortion. yamiche, good to see you. what are we expecting to hear? >> the vice president is really going to go aggressively at former president donald trump saying that he is to blame for the situation here in arizona where an 1864 near total ban of abortion may go into effect in the next few weeks here. she is going to do this as part of a campaign event, not an official event, and the distinction is that she is going to be able to name check the former president more aggressively. she wanted to do this as a campaign event so she could go after him. i want to read part of the speech released by the campaign. she's going to say in part, we understand who is to blame, the former president donald trump, it is donald trump who during his 2016 campaign said women should be punished for seeking an abortion. here's what a trump term looks like, more bans, less suffering, less freedom, and we're not going to let that happen. you're going to hear the vice president talking about what's going on in arizona, but also talking of course about the election here. i also want to tell you there are people on the ground that i

have been talking to over the last two dates who are reacting to this. in particular, i talked to one doctor who has been providing abortions for decades. he feels compelled to speak out now after wanting to not speak out because he was fearing for his life and family. now he says he's shocked by where arizona is in this moment. take a listen. >> it's just something i never imagined we would come to. you know, it's feeling very sad to not be able to provide this care. we see victims of sexual assault fairly commonly. this 1864 law includes no exception for rape or incest. so it's, again, just unfathomable to me that in this day and age we could be in a situation where those women have no recourse in arizona. >> reporter: and i have to tell you, that doctor tells me he commonly sees victims of sexual assault. he also sees women dealing with

issues of addiction, homelessness, and he say that is really it's heartbreaking that these women might not this access to the abortions they need in those moments. i want to tell you that the vice president is going to be talking about personal stories of women, and saying that even if donald trump is saying right now that he won't sign a federal abortion ban, the vice president is going to be saying don't listen to him, he will likely sign an abortion ban. that's what her argument is going to be in arizona. chris. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you. let's go to florida now and the hearing just getting underway in donald trump's classified documents case. nbc's ken dilanian is there for us. so two of trump's codefendants are in court for this. what can you tell us about what we're expecting today? >> reporter: chris, they're here to ask the judge to dismiss them out of this indictment, saying the prosecution hasn't met its burden to articulate a crime. for example, walt nauta's

lawyers, and carlos, de oliveira, the property manager, he's not aware there was a criminal investigation so he couldn't have conspired to obstruct justice. jack smith's team disagrees with this, and they say this is fact issues with the jury, not a matter of law for a motion to dismiss. also interesting, chris, is that last night, lawyers released a transcript of the initial voluntary interview with the fbi where he told him that he thought there were personal items in the boxes, including hair spray, shampoo, newspaper clippings, even underwear, it later emerged, though, that he took photos of at least one box at mar-a-lago where you could visibly see documents marked classified spilling out of the box. so he's got some explaining to do on that one. he's charged with obstruction of justice. again, his lawyers are trying to get him thrown off this case,

and they are arguing that before the judge right now. >> ken dilanian, thank you. now to miami where a former u.s. ambassador and confessed spy is in court. sam brock is live outside the courthouse. get us up to speed in this case. >> reporter: sure. obviously these are breathtaking charges. you are talking about accusations from the federal government of sharing sensitive information to the cuban government, american information, over the span of 40 years, victor manuel rocha worked for the state department for 20. and a post government role was basically consulting all sorts of entities, including u.s. southern command, which includes cuba. he's in court and by all appearances, rocha is prepared to plead guilty. the issue right now, and this is all happening in the last ten or fifteen minutes, the judge expressed extreme skepticism about the tenets of this deal. maximum statutory sentence behind bars, five for one count,

an illegal agent on behalf of a foreign government and $250,000 to be paid for fine, one for each count, a half until dollars. the problem is, what about forfeiture of his assets, because he transferred properties to his son and wife, and bank accounts as well, and she's saying, doesn't the federal government have the right to claim that none and what the prosecutors here in southern florida said was that's not part of the counts on which he's pleading guilty. she asked about restitution, are there victims here. the federal government said no victims we're aware of. how did you know that, under what terms, they said that's confidential, but there are folks out here protesting, claiming that information that rocha had provided to the cuban government led to kid that happenings and -- kidnappings and deaths. that's the juxtaposition as we were expecting rocha to plead

guilty to those charges. that appears tenuous. now to an nbc news exclusive, and the stunning release of a man on the fbi's terror watch list. nbc's julia ainsley is following this story for us. how did this happen in the first place? >> that's the third time this man, 38-year-old mohammed is back in u.s. custody. he first crossed the u.s. border illegally into california in march of last year. then he spent nearly a year free, because cvp released him. they had one piece of information that connected him to the terror watch list, but weren't able to confirm that. they released him as they would any other migrant. he was out and free until the fbi alerted dhs that potentially he was on the terror watch list. i.c.e. arrested him again in february of this year, put him into detention, then when he went before a judge, we understand that i.c.e. lawyers did not mention that he was a

national security threat, but rather said he was a flight risk. the judge decided to release him on $12,000 bond. he was a freeman until last night after our reporting first broke on nbc news. we understand shortly after that, there was an operation and i.c.e. has since taken him back into custody, chris. i did have a chance to speak to the former chief of staff of i.c.e. and the biden administration about how common something like this is. here's what he had to say. >> this is very very rare. there's a large capacity and capability for both border patrol, i.c.e., federal law enforcement and the inner agency to identify, vet these individuals as they come to the border. >> reporter: so what he's saying, essentially, is look, they have tried to build up their capacity. at the end of the day, this is what dhs was created for after 9/11, so agencies would talk to each other and prevent possible terrorists from entering the country. u.s. officials tell us they do not believe harwin entered the

country on a mission to commit a terror attack. >> julia ainsley, thank you. in 60 seconds, mike johnson heads to mar-a-lago with his gavel on the line. can donald trump save him or will marjorie taylor greene prevail in her mission to get him booted? in her mission to ge him booted so when minds grow, opportunities follow. ♪ not flossing well? then add the whoa! of listerine to your routine. new science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. ahhhhh.

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nbc's ali vitali is following this story from west palm beach, florida. what are we expecting to hear from the speaker and the former president? >> the frame you're using is so important here because explicitly this is an election integrity event. we're told by our sources in the speaker's office is one of the focuses is going to be keeping noncitizens from voting. that's a solution in search of a problem, given that it's illegal for noncitizens to vote, and in the instances where they do defy the law, .0001% of people that vote, that being said, the context is important here, not only the fact that trump has pointed to fraud that didn't exist in the election that he lost in 2020, but of course the fact that he's going to be on the ballot again in 2024. it's also inextricably linked with the actions mike johnson helped to undertake as a member

of congress in 2020, one of the leaders on the idea that you could nullify slates of electors from certain states that would essentially overturn the election results. he was one of the architects of that plan in 2020. of course his star has risen within the republican party on capitol hill, and if he remains speaker, he will be in a greater position of power come 2024 and election certification time then. i say if, though, chris because we know the situation johnson is in, and it's one we have seen before with his predecessor, kevin mccarthy, the fact that the unruly house republican conference has the ability, even just one of them to oust him from his job. that's something congresswoman margie taylor greene said she's willing to do. she has the threat lingering out there, and of course we saw them talking earlier on the house floor during a contentious vote on foreign intelligence surveillance and reauthorization. there was also a reform piece of that. you see them there talking on the screen. greene did not come out of the vote seeming any more shy on the

fact that she has her sights set on the speaker's job, if he continues down the path of ukraine authorization. that's brings us to why he's here. in my conversations with republican lawmakers, most say even though he's here to talk about election security, what he's here for isproximity to power. we have seen the way trump needs placate margie taylor greene and make sure the house doesn't devolve into utter chaos. a lot of different dynamics, balancing acts as we see these two men standing side by side. >> thank you for that. former member of the u.s. capitol police who defended the capitol on january 6th and coauthor of the book "american shield the immigrant sergeant who defended democracy," it's good to have you on the a program. you have been critical for

speaker johnson for what you say are his attempts to rewrite history. i wonder what you make of him travel to go mar-a-lago to meet with donald trump about election integrity? >> you know, carrying water for the former president instead of election integrity, it seems to me, planning for the next stop the steal rally at the capitol on january 6th, next year. unfortunately he's a person that continued to use the same rhetoric that led to january 6th. it made no sense for him to hold this press conference when he knows better that the last person that needs to talk about election integrity is the former president who undermined every capacity, our institutions for the democratic system. >> i don't know if you saw this, sergeant, but this week "the washington post" fact checker,

their whole department there, did an analysis, and they found that since donald trump started running for president this time against joe biden, he has made 30,000 misleading or outright false statements. and the number of republicans to 38%, that belief, the big lie is what fueled january 6th. so how do you fight against that? >> i mean, that's one of the reasons why i joined, to speak the truth, to speak about what happened about the things that began before the election, what happened during and after, and we need to hold these elected officials accountable. the other day mike johnson, he just like kevin mccarthy, claims to support the police officers

selectively. he has not. to this day, like kevin mccarthy had now authorized and held a committee, a plaque honoring officers from the capitol police, but yeah, they go in front of the cameras and say they support the order, the police and whatnot. but they don't. a meaningful gesture, the least they could do is authorize the plaque to be honored and place at the capitol entrance where i defended the capitol that day. >> conversely, you were recently appeared at a press conference ordered by the biden campaign. there may be critics who say you obviously are supporting. what do you say to them about your motivation, and i would

like you to add to what you just said which is your concern that this january 6th that happened in the last time could happen again? >> i mean, the reason why i had gone to the press conferences is not because i align myself with president biden. he's one of the people who has given me an opportunity to tell my story. how many republican elected officials have sat down with me with the exception of liz cheney and adam kinzinger. those are the only two individuals, elected officials who i risked my life for on january 6th, to defend them, and nobody else but them two had the courage to sit down with myself or my colleagues and listen to the experiences that we did on january 6th to give them the chance to escape, to run for their lives. because according to them,

january 6th did not happen. if it did happen, it was not as bad as we say, but on january 6th, they were running for their life in fear from the mob that the former president himself sent to kill them. that's exactly what he did. and here we are, three years later, supporting him as a candidate. they seem to forget that they were running for their lives on january 6th, 2021, and that's unfortunate. how they talk to me, how they reach out to me, i would be telling them the truth, and all i care about is the truth. that's why i continue to speak. that's why i continue to go to the courts, to attest and hold up people who assaulted me personally, which are more than 40 people that assaulted me on january 6th in the line of duty that i was performing my job, protecting them, including nancy pelosi, mike johnson, kevin

mccarthy. i protect all of them the same, and here they are trying to use the police officer events as political pawns. but we protected each member of congress on january 6th, regardless of our political views. regardless of their political ideologies, we were protecting the capitol no matter who was inside behind us and that's what i care about. that's why i take the opportunity to go to the harris/biden campaign. if the republicans would have called me, i would have done the same thing, and tell them, but they're not interested in the truth whatsoever. >> regardless of their political leanings and at risk to your own personal safety, sergeant thank you for coming on the program. up next, a case that will make history, now just 72 hours

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case against a former president at the manhattan hush money trial. and then other crucial decisions, which witnesses on the list we first got a look at just yelled will best help them build that case. how do they decide ultimately who's in and who's out. and even before that, who they'll choose as their target audience, meaning the jury, as selection is still set to begin on monday. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. give us a sense of what's happening right now through monday morning. what are the conversations going on? what are the prosecutor's priorities? >> yeah, they're working around the clock, and it can be a very anxiety producing time, the virtual eve of trial. i can tell you by now, chris, the prosecutors will have taken each and every trial witness, each witness they intend to put on in the prosecution's case in chief. they will have taken them through a dry run. they will have asked them every

question they expect to ask them on the witness stand. they will have showed them every exhibit, every picture, every text message, every e-mail to make sure they're entirely comfortable with what's coming and there are no surprises. what prosecutors will do is a cross-examination of the witnesses. i will try to throw every question i can think of they might ask on cross-examination so they can be prepared to meet the challenge of cross-examination, and the prosecutors have crafted their opening statements, they have practiced them multiple times, run them by their friends and colleagues, and you know, come monday, they will be ready to go with jury selection. >> so what's been happening to prep for jury selection? are you one of the lawyers who thinks that this could make or break a case? >> absolutely. i have always said, you can't win a case in jury selection, but you can sure lose it, and it's really interesting, chris, ask 100 criminal practitioners, prosecutors and defense

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course of the trial. >> i'm always told the witness list is a possible list, it's always longer than is actually going to be at trial. how are decisions made about witnesses, who's in, who's out. >> first of all, we generally investigate broadly as prosecutors and we prove our case narrowly. just because the prosecution might have 25 or 50 people on the witness list, that does not mean they will call all of those people. in fact, part of the reason we over include folks on the witness list is because we have to present that witness list to the potential jurors and ask them, for example, do you know any of these people, do you have a personal relationship with any of the witnesses who may take the stand in this trial. the defense i will say ordinarily pads its witnesses. push comes to shove, when they're in the defense case, they may only put on a handful of witnesses. lots of tactical decisions about

who to call and who to decline to call. >> glenn kirschner, always great to have you here. thank you. so over the course of the coming weeks, there are key players who will become very familiar to you if they aren't already. here's msnbc's yasmin vossoughian with a look at who could take the stand. >> the trump hush money case is the first of four criminal cases to move to trial. former president donald trump was charged with counts of falsifying records in the first degree. michael cohen will likely be the star witness in the hush money case. he was donald trump's lawyer and fixer and on august 21st, 2018, he pled guilty to eight counts in manhattan federal court. and cohen alleged in a court of law donald trump directed him to make illegal payments to influence the 2016 election, which trump denies. >> i did it at the direction of and for the benefit of donald j. trump. >> cohen was sentenced to three years in prison. cohen alleges he orchestrated

payoffs to two women who said they had affairs with donald trump, including stormy daniels. he sought reimbursement from trump and even recorded one of their conversations about it. the fbi seized that tape during a raid on cohen's residence and office. cohen's attorney released it to the media. adult film actress, stormy daniels says she met donald trump in 2006 at a celebrity golf tournament when he was the host of the apprentice. stormy says they had sex that night, and he offered to cast her in the apprentice, which trump denies stormy says she gave an interview to a tabloid magazine for $15,000. it remain unpublished until 2018, but two years earlier when donald trump was running for president, a tape from "access hollywood." >> we're ready, let's go. >> leaked, which prosecutors say caused panic within the trump

campaign. two weeks later, stormy daniels was paid $130,000 by trump's attorney. michael cohen. karen mcdougal is an explayboy model and says she had an affair with donald trump. they met in 2006 at the playboy mansion. and she says they dated for nearly a year. donald trump denies they had a relationship. in 2016, when donald trump received the republican nomination, mcdougal's story leaked. ami, the owner of the "national enquirer" offered her $150,000. >> they wanted to squash the story. >> michael cohen says he orchestrated the deal from ami to guy mcdougal's story but never publish it. allegations trump denies. allen weisselberg was the trump organization's chief financial officer, he was mentioned several times in michael cohen's recording, as being a part of the hush money plot.

>> i have spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up. >> in july of 2021, allen weisselberg and the trump organization were vowing to scheme tax authorities. he was sentenced to five months in prison and agreed to plead guilty and be a witness against the trump organization. >> they're looking to squeeze him again still to possibly get to donald trump. >> reporter: on march 4th, 2024, allen weisselberg pled guilty to perjury and lying under oath in the trump civil fraud case, a deal that sends him back to prison but does not require him to testify in the hush money case. he's not been charged in that case. he's currently serving five months in prison. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and his team are the prosecutors in the trial. bragg is a harvard educated democrat and assistant attorney general of new york. on december 6th, 2022, d.a. bragg secured the conviction of

the trump organization and payroll organization for conspiracy, criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records. >> the focus in the last 24 hours has been almost exclusively on trump. >> donald trump was invited by alvin bragg in a manhattan court. days later he was arraigned. yasmin vossoughian, nbc news. be sure to tune in for our special coverage in the first of former president trump's criminal trials. it starts monday morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc. up next, we just heard for the first time from the family of an ohio teen who was shot while holding a toy gun. what they're demanding now as police continue their investigation. plus, an nbc exclusive with the missouri teen who survived being shot in the head after he rang the wrong doorbell, the trauma he still feels and how

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today two important updates on stories involving black teenagers who were shot under questionable and potentially even criminal circumstances. both honor students, one on his way to his grandma's house, the other picking up his younger twin brothers. tavion and ralph yarl live 100 miles apart, but they share the

devastating reality of having to rebuild a life after a shocking trauma. we heard from tavion's mother. >> the police department needs to be held accountable for the excessive force that you use on our black babies. it is not okay. and we are sick can tired of watching our babies die in the hands of people who swore an oath to protect and serve. ten years later, after tamir rice and i'm here speaking about my son. i watched his mother speak about her son, and now i'm standing up here doing the same thing. it has to stop. >> nbc's shaquille brewster is following this for us. also with me, retired chief of police and coo of city shield security in detroit, isaiah mckinnon, thank you for joining us. shaq, we should point out that

this was a nonlife threatening injury, but what more did we hear about the family? >> reporter: they said that tavion did survive this shooting. they said he's having trouble sleeping, and that he -- let me quote it, that trauma has taken over his life. they also came to that press conference with specific demands, calling for the officer involved to be fired, especially considering the past use of force incidents on his file. one of which was deemed unreasonable. and they're calling on the department of justice to step in and launch a pattern and practice investigation over the entire akron police department. i want you to listen to a little bit more of what we heard from his family directly. >> it is my hope that justice will be served, for my son. that justice -- that justice will be served for many of our

other black young men, to grow up and become labeled as a threat in our society. >> i think it's time that not only akron police, but all police give us longer than one second. give us longer than one second to think that we're innocent, we get that first, not last. >> and independent state agency is now reviewing this shooting. those findings will be turned over to the attorney general and then will be presented to a grand jury. and i should note that the fraternal order of police, which has not commented since that press conference, they did say originally that this officer acted in accordance with his training, chris. >> isaiah, ohio is an open carry state, which means people who legally own firearms may carry them in public places. this was not a real gun, let's say that again. but we heard about the open carry law at this press conference earlier. >> he was shot by the police for

carrying a toy gun in a state where open and carry is legal. i have lived in this city all my life. i have watched white men walk down the street with loaded ar-15s and never be questioned, let alone shot. >> the police union called the shooting objectively reasonable. based on what you've seen in that video tape, based on what you've heard in this case, was it? >> let's look at this in terms of what did the officer know. what had the young man done, and were the actions of the officer justifiable? you know, we're taught at the academy that if someone's life, your life or someone else's life is in jeopardy, then you can use fatal force. this was not the case here. the short bit that i saw of the young man and the officer, he

responded, he had gotten a call, and he says to the young man, let me see your hands, and as the young man is turning, and i don't know what he saw, but the officer fired. we're taught to make certain that before you use that legal force, you know exactly what you're going to do, and there's some problems here with this situation. certainly the officer's going to be afraid, but what did he see, and was he certain this young man had committed some kind of crime that says he should use deadly force to apprehend him. >> so i listened to the 911 call that brought police to the neighborhood. the woman who called in never suggested that anybody had done anything illegal. there was no, for example, attempted break-in. it was a matter she said she saw a young man with a gun. he seemed to be pointing it at houses, but not doing anything.

tavion's attorney says, look, he was shot on the inside of his wrist that supports what the video he says shows, that his handles were up when he was shot. will an investigation get to the bottom of that? but also whether there was any real threat here. >> well, that's the biggest issue here. was there a threat to the officer. was there a threat to someone else. and the initial findings, what i saw, was there was not a threat to the officer. as he told the young man, tavion, to let me see your hands, and i assume that he was turning to show his hands, and at that point, i mean, a split second, the officer fired. this is one of those situations where you say wait a minute, now, let's use some good judgment, and that becomes the bottom line for those of us in law enforcement. use good judgment. use good common sense, and once you do those things, you can alleviate these kinds of

problems that we're having right here. >> shaq brewster, thank you. isaiah, you're going to stay with me. a missouri teenage, ralph yarl was shot not by police but by an elderly man after yarl mistakenly rang his doorbell. for the first time, he's talking about life after trauma with our own antonia hylton. >> one year ago, ralph yarl was just 16 years old, he loved nature walks with family, jumping on trampolines and playing in his high school band. that was ralph before april 13th, 2023, this is ralph now. >> i've tried to keep a sense of normalcy so i can continue being the person that i am and that i used to be. >> reporter: forever changed when he rang the doorbell of the wrong home while trying to pick up his twin brothers, and andrew lester shot him twice in the head and arm. his survival deemed a miracle. >> would you say it's been

harder to physically recover or mentally recover? >> definitely mentally. it's a constant up hill battle. >> ralph suffers splitting headaches, always an a student, he struggles to study. in the last few months, he crashed his car twice. his mother and aunt say sometimes he can't sleep. other times he sleeps too much. >> when you have trauma, initially there's the shock of all of it. but then when everything starts to simmer and then you start to real how life is not what it used to be. >> reporter: in october, andrew lester who had pled not guilty and told police he was scared to death will stand trial for ralph's shooting. the family speaking out to remind the country, we can't forget, we can't become desensitized. >> we are tired of people saying that you're in my thoughts and prayers. we need to get out of your

thought and your prayers and get into your actions. >> reporter: if not for their sake, they say, for the next child harmed by gun violence in america. antonia hylton, nbc news, kansas city. >> isaiah, you have studied and written about these kinds of shootings. both ralph yarl and tavion koonce survived, this makes me think of one of the survivors of the goon squad, through his lawyer he said, your honor, they killed me, i just didn't die. talk about the impact these shootings have, of course on the victims. both of these young men talk about the trauma they went through. one of the friends of ralph yarl said she's afraid now, when she goes to even knock on a door. she hesitates before knocking on a door because she doesn't know what might happen. what have you seen as the impact of this? >> you know, chris, in my long

career in law enforcement and in the military, i was shot at multiple times. i was shot at several times during my career here in detroit. thank god they missed. and so to this day i can still recall the people who shot at me, and wondering why. now, this man says that he was scared to death. what was he afraid or scared to death of. again, let's think of this in terms of using good judgment, good common sense, do we have such a society right now that every time there's a young man of color who approaches your home that you're scared to death and you're justified in shooting this man. some of the things that don't make any sense at all. this is the reality, this society we have now, unfortunately, that people have been so desensitized to looking at other people as human beings. and i think that unfortunately this is where we're at with a great number of young men of color. it's a desensitization of people

saying i see a young black man, he must be going to do something, and i'm scared to death, and that's my excuse for shooting at this person. there was no weapon that was pointed by him. he had said nothing other than ringing the doorbell, that i understand. and so this man finds justification in being scared to death of this young black man at his door. >> we really appreciate you sharing your experience and expertise. thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. coming up, the irs sounding the alarm about scams with monday's tax filing deadline quickly approaching. the irs commissioner joins me to explain what you should be watching out for next. explain we watching out for next. running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. [♪♪] there's a way to cut your dishwashing time by 50%. try dawn powerwash dish spray. it removes 99% of grease and grime in half the time.

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if you're among the nearly 30% of americans who wait until the last minute to file their taxes, listen up. the irs wants you to be on the alert for some major tax scams out there.

irs commissioner daniel warfold joins me to talk about. okay. what are a few of the big ones you have been seeing. let people know what they should be on the look out for. >> first of all, it's tax season. that's when a lot of bad actors come out of the wood works and they have promises for you, promises of fake tax benefits, and they have threats for you, threats of fake tax penalties, and i urge taxpayers to beware, to get educated and to learn the warning signs. >> so how do you differentiate an actual irs employee from a scammer. somebody might sound professional, they might sound like they know what they're talking about. are there things that an irs representative would never do or say? >> absolutely, look. for me, i always think about if somebody is reaching out to you out of the blue, that's an issue and likely a scam. here's what i mean by that. if the irs has a question for you or concern, we're going to

send a letter to your home or business. if you're seeing an e-mail or a text or getting a phone call, and it's out of the blue, very likely a scam. when they're reaching out to you, these scammers, out of the blue, they will often demand immediate payment. that's something the irs doesn't do. you have plenty of notice if a payment is due. they will threaten immediate legal action, for example, we're going to bring in local police. that is something the irs would never do. and they'll demand payment in a certain way. so if you get a phone call or a text and they're saying, pay the irs by, for example, a pre-paid debit card, it's not the irs, it's a scam. >> so this year's tax filing season also brings a kind of an overhaul, right, online. tell us about it, what people can look for and honestly has it been going smoothly so far? >> look, we are having one of the best filing seasons we've had in years, especially from a customer service standpoint. our phone line is operating at

peak efficiency, we've got the wait time down to three minutes this filing season. we've served more people in our walk-in centers than we ever have in history. as you mention, we have updated irs.gov with a lot of new tools, and as a result, we're seeing record traffic to our web site, and all of this is intended to help taxpayers make the filing season as smooth and as easy as possible. >> we have 30 seconds or less. if you're one of those folks who just isn't going to get it done in the next three days, what's the most efficient way to let the irs know. >> go to irs.gov, search extension in the search box. we'll bring you right to the extension form. it will walk you through the simple steps. you can get an extension for filing, but not for paying. if you owe a balance and you can't afford to pay it, right there on the form, instructions for how to get an installment agreement. >> i'm going to say i took notes on that for a friend.

the irs commissioner, thank you. >> thank you. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. keep it right here. up next, senator joe manchin of west virginia will join my colleague, katy tur. that's coming up in "katy tur reports" right after a short break. right after a short break. ...and show it off. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ with skyrizi, you could take each step with 90% clearer skin. and if you have psoriatic arthritis, skyrizi can help you get moving with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. thanks to skyrizi, there's nothing

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