are now impacted by this. it's real. it's solemn. it's important. they want to get it right. i think that's something that six months ago when you were so far removed from this, people were more flippant, now it's more sobering. it's interesting to see how this plays out for voters as we get into the meat of the trial. >> it's true, michael, you can see she felt the importance of that role. that's a beauiful thing about the american system. the only one in the world where you could have a jury like this. thank you so much. >> you got it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on social media @jdbalart. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now.

right now on "andrea mitchell reports," court is back in session for former president trump. the second day of his hush money case with jury selection well under way after the defendant lashes out at the judge. >> we have a trump hating judge. we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case. he is totally conflicted. this is a trial that should never happen. new details about the biden administration's assessment of how israel could respond or should respond to iran's brazen missile barrage over the weekend. i will talk about that and more with u.s. ambassador to the u.n., linda thomas-greenfield. speaker johnson pitches his plan to put funding for israel, taiwan, ukraine and various republican priorities on the house floor in separate bills this week. that would require separate senate action delaying it well beyond critical deadlines for ukraine. we will have new reaction from congressman jim himes, the top

democrat on the intelligence committee. good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. former president trump is back in a courtroom on the second day of that hush money and election interference trial. the process of jury selection resumed this morning as they work toward selecting 12 jurors and 6 alternates. one potential juror was dismissed after admitting it to be tough for him being impartial. another let go for flu-like symptoms. the judge warning trump his presence is mandatory. before going into court this morning, mr. trump minimize the payments he made that led to the charges he faces. >> i was paying a lawyer and marked it down as a legal

expense. an accountant marked it down as a legal expense. that's what it was. you get indicted over that? >> joining us now, vaughn hillyard from the courthouse in new york city. bring us up to speed on what's happening. you interviewed one potential jurors that was dismissed. >> reporter: right. the current process that's unfolding in that courtroom, to catch everybody up, is the voir dire process. it's the moment where the defense as well as the prosecution is able to essentially do a cross examination, if you will, of the potential jurors, to determine whether they want to be seated or not. folks will know there's the 42 questionnaire. these are individuals who were not dismissed. the district attorney's office is asking follow-up questions of 18 specific jurors that passed

that initial process. it's interesting. these are along the lines of their qualifications and whether they can affirm that they will be fair and impartial, including in the fact of the commitment. the d.a.'s office asking the 18 individuals, can you affirm you will not discuss with friends about the trial and looking for everybody here to make those commitments. the district attorney's office was making a point that, look, it's not out of reason to believe everybody will have an opinion coming into this trial. but is looking for those commitments before they give their own sign off of whether they believe they should be seated or not. you mentioned one individual, the first juror who we talked to who was just dismissed moments ago but went through the 42-question questionnaire, committed they could be fair and impartial. she was concerned about her work schedule and was dismissed. i want to let you hear from her. she was one of the individuals, like the new yorkers inside right now, who was within 30

feet of donald trump as he stared at her while she answered those questions. listen to our exchange. what was that like answering questions, including some about donald trump, as he is sitting 30 feet from you? >> it was odd. it was such an interesting experience because i had never seen him in person before. you see someone blown up so larger than life on the media for so many years. to see them in person is very jarring. you get the sense that it's like, this is just another guy. also, he sees me talking about him, which is bizarre. >> reporter: did you make eye contact with him? >> yes. yeah. >> reporter: at what point? >> i believe right before i started to read off the questionnaire and right after i finished before i got up to go when i was dismissed. >> reporter: did it add another

level of nervousness or tension that you felt with him sitting there? >> i think so. it made the whole thing feel more real in a way, because i guess when you are on any jury -- whether it was trump or whether it was some stranger off the street in manhattan who i had never heard of before, if you commit to sitting on the jury, you can change that person's life forever. >> reporter: a fascinating process unfolding, as you can hear from kara, inside the courtroom. we are talking about more than 100 individuals staring at the otherwise normal, everyday new yorkers, answering questions about their personal lives. right now, the district attorney's office is currently asking questions, follow-up

questions here in which that includes quotes like, can you all separate believability and likability? i'm being handed something here in real time. i'm going to have to pick up on. that's to give you an idea what's happening inside. it's folks like kara answering those questions. >> that was a great interview. what any of us would feel like. thank you so much. i think they have taken a recess as well. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former senior prosecutor on the mueller investigation and nyu law professor melissa murray and they are co-authored of "the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary," which is an indispensable guidebook as we go through this. to both of you, congratulations. andrew, this does bring this back to the process that you

were both experienced with as lawyers. andrew, with your years as a prosecutor. those of us as citizens who have been through it. it never happened before with a former president and certainly not one as polarizing, let's face it, as donald trump. >> that gets to why melissa and i wrote this book, which is, what is happening is so unique in this country. it's not unique for the rest of the world, which has had trials like this and has managed to hold political leaders to account, which we address in the book. but it's unique for us. as law professors, this is what we do day in and day out, which is try to give tools to our students to understand what's going on. now it's so important for the public to understand what is happening in the criminal justice system.

they can make up their own mind. but at least they will have the facts and an understanding of how the law works and some of the essentially -- it's a guidebook to help them. >> i want to give you and our viewers a little pointer here. we are watching a split screen. they have taken a short ten-minute recess. donald trump has walked out of the courtroom, according to the pool reporters inside. he might come to the camera. we want to tell you that. you see activity behind you on the other side of the screen. melissa, talk to me about how long the jury selection process might take given how it's going so far given the numbers of people who are saying that they right off the bat could not be impartial? then they haven't gotten to the case where the lawyers get involved in terms of their challenges. >> that's exactly right.

we have seen that judge merchan suggested this might take a couple of weeks. that's not surprising. it's unlikely that any of the jurors are going to come with a completely blank slate having known nothing about donald trump or the facts that are the underlying facts in the case. they're going to have to go through a lot of jurors to impanel 12 and 6 alternates. this is the most important part of the trial for both sides. trials are basically about storytelling. the question of who your audience is critically important. both sides are going to be looking for jurors who will be receptive to their slant on this particular story. it's why we have that 42-question questionnaire. it's why we have more questions and follow-up and why as you say, each side will have an

opportunity to strike for cause the various jurors that they don't want on this panel. >> let's talk about that for a moment as well, andrew. as a prosecutor, some of the questions can be so revealing about what kind of media do you read and watch, just sort of that whole group of questions. joyce vance mentioned one she used to use. what bumper stickers do you have on your car? tell us what that might reveal. >> one thing that's notable is that for a lot of the viewers who have served on civil and criminal juries, this is going to seem unduly intrusive. this is an unusually careful process and searching process in terms of these questions.

hence, your question about what bumper stickers. where do you get your news? what papers do you read? what podcasts do you listen to? what do you stream? obviously, more direct questions like, are you affiliated with some group that's aligned with law enforcement or aligned with only keepers or proud boys or maga events? those are all trying to get at for cause challenges but to give information to strike people who have such strongly held views that they are not going to be confident that they can put those aside and just base their verdict on the facts in the courtroom and the laws given to them by judge merchan. what the prosecutor is worried about is someone trying to sneak on the jury who is going to be a holdout and hang the jury

because of some preconceived view. obviously, the defense would worry about that on the prosecution side. that's why you have this -- in a high profile case, you have an unusually searching jury selection process. >> fact check what the former president said today, which is that the alleged payment to stormy daniels was just a legal expense. >> i mean, there are legal expenses. legal expenses tend to be for services rendered, doing legal work. i don't think that many in the legal profession would -- if they are to believe the allegations in the indictment, that paying off a former paramour to buy her silence while you are on the campaign trail is a verifiable legal expense. that's the crux of what we're going to hear as this trial unfolds.

individual jurors will have the opportunity to assess for themselves whether when they paid their lawyer it was for things like paying for the silence of a former mistress or if it were for completing legal work, like representing them in court or filing a deed or executing a will or something of that nature. i think the individual jurors will have that opportunity. it won't just be donald trump explaining. it will be a chance for each juror to determine whether or not they believe the story that he is selling. >> andrew, i wanted to ask about a supreme court oral argument today which is going on a couple of blocks from here, which is in the case of a january 6 rioter who is challenging the charge that he was charged with obstructing an official proceeding. depending on how the court rules in this case, that could affect one of the charges against donald trump, charged with the same thing, interfering with an official act. >> yeah.

this is a statute i know very well. it was promulgated in light of the enron scandal i was a prosecutor on. without getting into the weeds of the statute, it's true that this is a charge that has been used against many, many people involved in january 6 in connection with obstructing the counting of the lectoral votes. it's a charge that donald trump is also charged with in the d.c. federal case. however, it's worth noting that amy coney barrett noted this that even if the court -- that's a big even, because i think the defense has a big uphill battle. even if they were to prevail, the united states has taken a position that the creation of the slate of fake electors and using those to obstruct congress

would be covered even under the way the defense wants to sort of narrow the scope of the obstruction statute. i don't think that even if the defense were to prevail here that it's going to prove fatal to the donald trump case even on the obstruction charges. of course, he is charged with more than just this obstruction offense. but it will be interesting to see and to hear the rest of the oral argument that is now something that people can hear for themselves by going to the scotus blog. >> i want to share with you that right now we are reading this from the google doc coming from inside the court, from the reporters, that the judge is asking donald trump to sign a waiver indicating that he does not now want to be present at the sidebars with the perspective jurors as he previously said, because

apparently his defense lawyer has notified the court this morning that he no longer wants to be present in those conversations. he has the right under new york state law to attend all such conferences. his waiver has to be in writing. do you want to indicate legally the significance of that, melissa? >> criminal defendants have rights. again, this is reflected at every stage of the criminal process and will be reflected at every stage of the trial. not only does the prosecution have the burden of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant doesn't have do anything but let the prosecution do its work, but the defendant has the right to be present at sidebars, to present evidence that would favor his exoneration. so in this particular case, where there are proceedings going on, the defendant has a right to be there. if he waives that right, to make clear on appeal that there was no shenanigans, he wasn't

railroaded, you have to have this waiver indicating the defendant understood he had this right to be present and he knowingly and consensually waived that right at trial. >> thank you so much. thanks for the bible that we are carrying with us. it's great. coming next, the mideast crisis. israel's war cabinet planning their next move against iran as the white house and allies are urging israel not to escalate the conflict with tehran. my conversation with u.s. ambassador to the united nations linda thomas-greenfield. that's coming up next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. you are watching msnbc. with anr helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer

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the head of the idf warning israel will, quote, face the consequences -- excuse me, iran will face consequences for its actions against israel. four u.s. officials telling nbc news that israel's response is expected to be limited, involving strike's against iran's military forces and proxies based outside of iran, not inside iran's territory. joining us is raf sanchez. thank you for being with us. talk to me about israel's response, because it seems as though they are considering this, they are listening, there's a long history of israel -- of benjamin netanyahu not listening to advice he gets from washington or particularly from president biden. it seems as though they are taking a little bit of time to think about how they're going to respond. >> reporter: they seem to be taking their time, andrea.

they are considering their options. as you said, there are a range of options. iran attacked israel with 350 or so drones and missiles. so the obvious response would be for israel to strike back with missiles of its own. the question is, would that be inside of iranian territory itself? that would be at the more maximum end of the escalatory options. as u.s. officials are suggesting, will it come in syria where there are a range of iranian targets, iranian operatives, warehouses, flows of weapons. it's possible, andrea, that israel could resort to some kind of cyberattack as opposed to what the military refers to as a kinetic assault, some large-scale cyberattack that causes major disruption in iran could be seen from israel's perspective as proportional and

also as an option that is less likely to lead to a full-scale war. as you mentioned, there's deep, deep concern in the u.s., in the biden administration, that israel do not cross red lines that leads to a full-scale regional war. i can tell you, andrea, that while an israeli official tells me there's a consensus in the war cabinet that not only it needs to respond but soon, there's a certain satisfaction among israeli officials that it is iran that is in the position israel was last week, knowing that some kind of strike is coming, not knowing when, not knowing where, not knowing what the scale of it will be. while the world waits to see how israel responds, the fighting continues between israel and his -- hezbollah. earlier today, there were two drones that flew into northern israel. three people were injured inside

of israel as a result of those drones. the israeli military says they conducted a drone strike inside lebanon that killed a senior hezbollah commander. one of the other concerns is that an attack on iran could be met with retaliation not just from the iranians but also from hezbollah who have well over 100,000 rockets and missiles pointing into israel. >> that would be an extremely dangerous northern front for a second front for israel, especially at a time when reserves have been pulled out and are back in their civilian jobs. we have the approach of the passover holiday. how does that play at all, if it does, in the timing of some israeli response? >> reporter: that's a really good question. i think in terms of the response to iran, israel is likely to move ahead with that

irrespective of the passover holiday. in terms of the larger -- what the israelis call the difference arenas, gaza, lebanon, there are a lot of reservists who have been demobilized for now. they will spend passover at home with their families. there's a feeling a lot will be called up on the other side of passover. >> raf sanchez, thanks for being there. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. is in korea following a visit to the demilitarized zone where she met with young north korean defectors. a few hours ago i spoke to the ambassador about her conversations with defector from north korea as well as the crisis in the middle east, israel's threat to retaliate against iran, despite president biden's urging that they avoid widening the war.

what can be done to stop this from being a wider war? >> we don't want to see this escalate. we also support israel's right to defend itself. any decisions made on how to move forward will be made by the israeli government. >> at the same time, we have talked to many u.s. officials about the president's urging israel not to escalate this, not to retaliate, to take the win. it does appear from statements from the war cabinet in israel that they do plan to retaliate. what advice does the u.s. have for israel to limit their attacks, or their retaliation? >> again, we have been very clear in our concerns that this war not escalate. it has greater impact on the region. but again, i have to say that

israel's war cabinet will make the decision about what israel will do. we have certainly given our advice. and we will continue to support israel should they experience the kind of attack that they just experienced from iran over the weekend. >> what are your concerns about the effects on the potential cease-fire and certainly the escalated demands from hamas, reducing the numbers of hostages they say would be released, demanding more palestinian prisoners to be released? how can this jeopardize hope for peace in gaza? >> negotiations are ongoing. i will say that without the release of the hostages, it will make it very, very difficult to have a cease-fire. we have been clear that we support a cease-fire with the release of hostages.

hamas is not in a position to make demands. we have put a deal on the table for them. they should accept that deal. >> now to talk about what's been happening in north korea. north korea's dictator, kim jong-un, cemented his relationship with vladimir putin. he is getting valuable technology for his missile program from russia and providing russia with weapons for the war in ukraine. the u.n. and the world have been standing by and focusing on other things. north korea is becoming an increasing threat. >> look, we have never turned our attention away from the situation on the korean border with dprk. i was just at the border today. we have condemned and continue to condemn the constant breaking of security council resolutions by the dprk and russia's

protection of the dprk in the security council. their veto last week was totally unacceptable. it allows for the dprk -- it protects the dprk and allows for them to carry out their acts of violence and their intimidation of countries along their border. i happened to be there today. we have been clear with the dprk that we are prepared to negotiate without conditions. i saw the negotiating table. i saw the chairs empty. all they have to do is come through the door and sit at the table and start a negotiation process that we are prepared to do with them. >> it's been a year since civil war broke out in sudan. untold number of deaths, war crimes. you have been shedding light on this, putting a spotlight on this. you talked to refugees from

sudan. what can be done to stop this horrific war? and to protect neighboring states like chad from falling under the pressure of the refugees pouring across their border. >> two generals, two ambitious generals who do not have the concerns of the sudanese people, they don't have their concerns in any way, they are not taking their concerns into consideration as they fight out this war that they think they can win militarily. we have pushed for negotiations. i understand that negotiations are scheduled to resume soon. in the meantime, we have to address the dire humanitarian situation that you witnessed with me when we traveled to the border last year. right now in paris, there is a humanitarian conference taking place.

i understand about 2 billion euro was raised at that conference. but money is not all that's required. we have to ensure that there is access, that humanitarian assistance can get in, it can cross the border where you and i visited. right now, that's being blocked. it's being intercepted. it's not getting into the hands of the people who are in need. we're prepared to look at options in the security council for ensuring that humanitarian assistance is allowed to reach the people in need of sudan. one year in this conflict is one year too many. the people of sudan need to have peace. they need to return to a democratic path, a path that we know civilians, women fought for two years ago. here we are back to the drawing board.

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biden white house. they are using this to try to win an election. >> donald trump is at the defense table. president biden is hitting the trail, heading to pennsylvania again for a three-day swing, including a return to his scranton roots. joining us now, jim messina, and republican strategist susan del percio. thank you for joining us. jim, how can democrats best capitalize on this split screen of president biden on the trail focusing on jobs, the economy, other top priorities, maybe the abortion rights and former president trump on trial, up until now, his court appearances have helped him in fund-raising and in the polls, but is there a difference balance now that he is stuck in the courtroom? >> i think there is a different balance. the reason why is voters are starting to play attention, the swing voters that haven't been paying attention, now understand it's a biden versus trump election. you have seen polls start to

move towards biden in significant ways because voters are starting to compare them. voters had forgotten donald trump and what he had done as president. they haven't seen his crazy statements on truth social. they had forgotten the bad parts about donald trump. now when they see him every day campaigning in a courtroom, they start to remember why they didn't like him in the first place. that's a perfect contrast to what biden is doing, which is out there reminding voters that he is scranton joe, the middle class warrior they liked the first time. that contrast for democrats is crucial. it's why the polls are starting to look better. >> susan, this month's "new york times" poll is showing that twice as many women than men say that these hush money related charges are serious and showing that president biden has a 16-point lead over donald trump among women. that's a growing gender gap. "the washington post" says the trial's focus on tawdry scandal

could underscore trump's weakness with women. do you agree with that? do you think the trial will affect the gender gap? >> i think it can drive the gender gap further apart in that -- jim makes a very good point. people forgot just how exhausting donald trump was during -- as president and even as a candidate. they are being reminded of it through this trial. i don't know what the result is going to be. but either way, what's going to happen is donald trump is going to have to sit there, andrea, every day. his temperament is not meant to be somewhere every day, eight hours a day, and not calling the shots. i think what will be a bigger turnoff to women in general will be his comments coming out of the courthouse every day, especially when confronted by two women he has been accused of having an affair with, which he

denies. he is going to come face to face with those women. the explosion of donald trump could just happen over something like that. >> jim, the president was asked yesterday if he is following the trump trial. he answered no. which is interesting. on social media his campaign mocked trump closing his eyes during court with the #sleepydon. we don't know if he was asleep or resting his eyes. is there a danger of the campaign not being forceful enough on this? should they stay away from it? >> look, i think that they should let the voters watch donald trump every day. see him react. donald trump is his own worst enemy. he is not going to want to sit there day after day. he will eventually lose it. there's a rule in american politics, don't throw someone a life preserving when they are

drowning. let it happen. stay focused on what they need to do, which is focus on the economy. that's what you are seeing the campaign do today in pennsylvania. that's exactly the right strategy. >> jim messina and susan del percio, thanks very much. to an nbc news exclusive. nbc's tom costello just sat down with a current boeing engineer, a whistle-blower, who became alarmed and raised concerns about what he was seeing in the production of the boeing 787 dreamliner, including a gap between parts of the fuselage that are not up to boeing specifications, he says. >> reporter: should boeing ground the 787 to check the gap sizes? >> i would say they need to. >> reporter: the fleet worldwide? >> the entire fleet worldwide needs attention. the attention is you need to check the gaps, make sure you

don't have potential for premature failure. >> in a statement from boeing, the company is saying -- you can see more of tom's interview on "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. new offers. speaker johnson unveiling his version of foreign aid for israel and ukraine, requiring a new round of votes in the senate as congress is taking another recess next week. we will talk to the top democrat on the house intelligence committee about what that delay could mean for president zelenskyy's forces in ukraine. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. snbc

the house could vote this week to advance foreign aid. mike johnson unveiling his plan yesterday to break it up into four parts. holding separate votes on aid to israel, ukraine and taiwan before a fourth vote on republican national security priorities. all this would further delay getting money desperately needed in ukraine because the plan then would require the senate to start all over again and approve whatever the house passes. joining me now is democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut, the ranking member of the intelligence committee. congressman, i don't need to tell you about this process. to me, as someone watching it, if they break it up into different parts, it has to go back to the senate. there's a recess next week for passover. then it has to be voted again. they still in the house -- you have not -- because of the republican holdup, voted on what

the senate passed in february. meanwhile, there's a war going on in ukraine. president zelenskyy's forces are out of ammunition and out of the weapons that they need from the u.s. >> yeah, andrea, it couldn't be more disturbing. ukrainians are dead. ukrainian territory has been captured. ukrainian power plants have been destroyed by the russians because of republican political in-fighting. the senate passed this bill months ago. if the house had voted -- the vote would have been overwhelming. almost all of the democrats with let's say half of the republicans. none of that would be true. israel, humanitarian aid, all of these things have been stopped by republican in-fighting. again, i had hoped this would be the week. the speaker had figured out some convoluted way to address his politics. but now we're back to the usual chaos. i'm keeping my fingers crossed

because lives are at stake. israeli and ukrainian lives. thank god, where there was a risk of a regional war, we seem to have taken a small step back from that. humanitarian aid in gaza, i don't need to tell you how important this is. hopefully, this gets done this week. >> one other piece is that now, in the republican plan, unlessa talking about the aid to ukraine being called repo based on getting money unfrozen from russian assets. from my reporting, there's only $3 billion of russian assets controlled by the u.s. most is in belgium. some is in japan. it can't be nearly what is needed in the 64 -- or $60 billion package in terms of new weapons. >> that's right. look, we should continue to have a conversation about whether russian assets should be used to help rebuild ukraine. one of the things they want to tack on to one of the four bills

is another twitter ban. they want to convert the grants we have done to ukraine to some sort of lend/lease forgiven loan. let's have those conversations. but remember with every hour that passes that we do not help ukraine, ukrainians who are fighting our fight against a brutal russian regime, they are dying. we are having a conversation about two flammable members of congress, marjorie taylor greene and thomas massey. two of 245 rather than saving lives in ukraine. i hope we can pull it out. as you point out, if they need to built a mechanism to satisfy marjorie taylor greene, it will be weeks before the senate approves it and many ukrainians will die and israel will be at risk and humanitarian aid will not get to gaza. >> at the same time, israel is saying it will respond imminently to iran's

unprecedented attacks against israel. if this thing escalates, maybe already, how concerned are you that this is delaying hostage release and the possibility of a cease-fire and getting more aid into gaza and getting hostages out? >> very, very concerned. a regional war, which if israel goes after iran again -- let's step back here and remember what happened. israel killed seven military officers in a damascus diplomatic facility. the iranians had a very lame response that was largely taken down. i understand that maybe a missile made have hit an air force base and there was injury done to a young girl. this is the moment for everybody to sit down and say, we had a punch and a counterpunch. let's not turn this into a regional war, which would be devastating in terms of fatalities, in terms of the region, would be quickly translated into higher gas prices at the american pump, hostages would be off the table. this is a moment for everybody

to be satisfied with the punch and the counterpunch, and let's get back to trying to solve the larger issues we have been dealing with for six months in israel and gaza. >> congressman jim himes, ranking member on the house intelligence, thank you very much. >> thank you, andrea. back to court. we will head back to downtown manhattan for an update on the jury selection at the trump trial. this is "andrea mitchell reports." you are watching msnbc. e watchic

they haven't gotten through the process of selecting jurors that they are in the early stages of right now in the hush money election interference krim until trial against donald trump. dozens have been criminal trial against donald trump, but dozens have been dismissed. joining us now, david henderson, jury consultant, former prosecutor and kimberly atkins, co-host of "the sisters in-law podcast." you're not a consultant for this

trial, but you had experience in this whole field for years. jury selection is more art than science, arguably. what are you looking for in the demeanor, what are you reading out of the reports that are coming from pool reporters inside? >> andrea, 100% it is more art than science. typically lawyers always want to stare at people and think, my gosh, their arms are folded, they don't like us, sometimes they're just cold or they're frowning, that means they don't like what they're saying, sometimes they're thinking about the fact they need to get their car fixed. of the half, 50 jurors dismissed yesterday after asked can you be fair or are you already too biased, you lost a lot of smart people who realized this is my chance to get out of jury duty and a lot of people who dislike former president trump so much that they're saying i just can't do that. moving forward, there are three broad categories i would be watching for. the state probably loses the case on jury nullification, if they lose. it won't be the most riveting

trial. people need to focus for long periods of time, reviewing documents. you want people when they realize because the family member tells them, you know what, you could be on the line in terms of your public reputation for being on this trial will have the fortitude to stick it out, but not be so obstinate they'll be the one holdout. >> the judge has laid down the law here, he's been very clear he wants sort of straightforward behavior, he's not going to allow any outbursts. you have donald trump coming out and criticizing the judge again today, saying things outside the jury room. how complicated is this to get a jury that is not going to be influenced by all of this? >> it actually is not as complicated as you might think, andrea. the question isn't finding jurors that have no opinion about donald trump or who have never heard of him or any of the things he says, it is finding

jurors who can base their verdict on the evidence that is presented and how it is applied to law. you can have opinions about donald trump, and still be able to do it. just like earlier this hour, where a juror who was dismissed due to work conflicts said that she, yeah, she was very well aware of donald trump, but she said that she could answer impartially, that she could render an impartial decision, so that is what is being screened here. and you certainly don't want somebody on that -- that can do jury nullification, someone who is there to vote not guilty no matter what. that is something the prosecutors are clearly looking out for, but i think the gravity that hits jurors when they enter that courtroom makes it very unlikely that people are just going to go in there with their preconceived notions and not be affected and not being able to follow directions and render a fair verdict. >> and we understand the president, former president i should say, has just walked out of the court, we saw a brief

shot of that, he's in a room across the hall, meeting with his attorneys. we understand from the pool reporters inside that he's huddling with them on who to keep and who to strike among some of these perspective jurors. at various times, repeatedly, the president -- former president, i should say, had his eyes closed in court, some people speculated whether he's dozing off, whether he's resting his eyes, we can't say. but how might perspective jurors react to any of that? >> andrea, people who show up for jury duty and stay, who don't say i can't do this and look for the first opportunity to get out, what i found is when they show up, they're wearing the nicest thing in their closet, thinking i made special arrangements to be here on time, i'm being polite, respectful, i'm making sure i'm paying attention, and so they don't think kindly when someone is not doing that. now, i've seen lawyers fall asleep in court before. i've seen judges fall asleep in court before. i cannot recall a time i saw a defendant falling asleep in court before, because it is

their life, and they got a lot on the line. when jurors are thinking, i'm staying awake, why isn't this guy, it sends a very negative message that can directly affect the outcome of a trial. >> davehenderson, kimberly atkins, thank you. caitlin clark's record-breaking streak continues with what could be the most watched wnba draft ever. the number one pick, last night, scoring her place with the indiana fever. clark stands to make millions from endorsements, but fans are outraged over the massive gender pay gap in her salary. clark will reportedly earn, get this, $76,000 for her rookie season. compare that to the $12 million, million dollars last year's number one nba draft pick made in his rookie year. that gender inequality and the sexism facing women's sports is a big focus on "saturday night live."

>> the university of iowa announced that basketball star caitlin clark will have her jersey retired and replaced with an apron. oh! here to comment is caitlin clark. [ cheers and applause ] i am a fan, caitlin, by the way. >> really, michael? because i heard that little apron joke you did. thanks to all the great players like sheryl swoops, lisa leslie, these are the women that kicked in the door so i could walk inside. michael, since you're such a big fan, i brought you a souvenir, an apron signed by me. >> caitlin clark making her indiana fever debut in just a few weeks when the wnba season tips off. that was one of the great "snl"s

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