it is good to be back with you on this second hour. at this hour, diving into donald trump's jury pool. the pointed questions and answers that led to more dismissals today with not one juror seated yet. the trial versus the trail. trump fuming about his schedule, calling it a scam. his heated remarks at president biden heads out for a campaign blitz. the message he's bringing to pennsylvania today. and a critical january 6th case in front of the supreme

court. how it could wipe out charges for hundreds of rioters and even affect one of donald trump's cases. our reporters are following all the latest developments and we begin here in new york city in lower manhattan with vaughn hillyard. where does jury selection for the former president's trial stand right now? >> reporter: we are 15 minutes away from the jury reconvening here. this is a big lunch break here because this was a moment for the defense teams and the prosecutors teams to deliberate internally amongst themselves, huddle over that first batch of 18 individuals. 18 potential jurors who went through the process, who answered questions on both sides on whether they were qualified or to what extent they had preconceived opinions about the defendant, donald trump, and whether they should be individuals who are fair and

impartial and could sit on the jury. and what over the course of this lunch break, again, they're convening here at 2:15 eastern, 15 minutes from now, this is a moment where both sides will be able to attempt to strike these 18 individuals as being jurors for either cause or for other reasons. essentially it doesn't even need cause. they just don't like them, don't trust them and don't want that particular person on the jury. so we should expect over the course of the next hour both sides to go one by one through these jurors and say whether they feel comfortable with them potentially sitting on the jury. so here this afternoon, there could be a number of individuals of course the names are going to be anonymous to the public, but we will have their numbers. potential individuals that will fill out that jury box. i want to let you hear from one individual we talked to earlier a bit ago who was actually seated. and answered 42 questions from the judge and was 30 feet away

from donald trump and yet she was dismissed over concerns of her work schedule. take a listen to her description inside the courtroom. >> i think it was a really fascinating contrast between feeling that gravity of not only as someone's fate kind of in our hands here, but the fate of parts of our country's legal system going forward is kind of in our hands because this is unprecedented. >> reporter: unprecedented. it's exactly that. and that dismissed juror said she got this summons a while ago and her mom told her hey, maybe this is the trump trial. it's slated to start on april 15th and when she walked in yesterday, she walked in yesterday and ended up being in seat 13 there answering a series of questions from donald trump and now this is where the intense part comes into play in the potential that some of these

individuals over the last 24 hours who have answered dozens of questions from both sides, they could very well find themselves being placed on this jury and are going to be the ones to determine whether donald trump is guilty or innocent over what could be eight weeks of criminal trial. >> what about trump's demeanor? >> reporter: trump throughout the course of the last six hours are team inside tells us that multiple times, he has had his eyes closed. whether he is sleeping or just resting his eyes is a question i think only donald trump would be able to answer. yet at the same time, he has at moments, been more animated when it comes to responses. there was one potential juror who said he previously read art of the deal, for instance. other individuals said they watch fox news. this for donald trump is very much of an understanding that these 12 individuals that

ultimately get seated on this jury are going to be the ones that decide his fate. so for him, he is intrinsically interested in the answers of these individuals. we also know he has been having side bar conversations with his attorney, todd blanch. both talking throughout the proceedings. but this is the moment it could be real and we have every reason to believe that donald trump is engaged with his own legal team about who he trusts as potential jurors because his team can move to strike and move to not have these particular individuals chosen. so for donald trump, he has been able to stare them down face-to-face and now he and his legal team are going to have the opportunity here in these minutes and hours ahead to strike and remove these potential jurors from the courtroom if they have reason to not trust them to choose the guiltiness or innocence of their

plan. >> you make it fascinating. thank you. and donald trump is once again blaming his legal troubles on joe biden. garrett haake has that part of our coverage. what can you tell us? >> well, the former president's basically had kind of three major complaints since the start of this trial and really before. he has tried to link the entirety of the case against him to president biden, suggesting it's an effort to derail his candidacy to keep him off the trail or otherwise keep him distracted. he's also complained about the judge specifically. that's a complaint he has made about judges in cases affecting him going back to at least 2015, 2016. and more specifically now, he's started to complain about the scheduling of the case, which it's somehow infringing upon his ability to be where he needs to be, whether in court next week or the campaign trial. here's some of what he said a little while ago and while it may not carry a lot of water on the other side. >> i should be right now in

pennsylvania, in florida, in many other states. north carolina. georgia. campaigning. this is all coming from the biden white house. because the guy can't put two sentences together. he can't campaign. they're using this in order to try and win an election. >> you hear the attempted linkage to biden. i'll comment on the campaign schedule part of it. donald trump is still campaigning on the weekends, which is about as often as he was campaigning any way. it was rare we'd see more than perhaps one weekday and one weekend event in a week. that's still roughly the schedule he's keeping now. but you see the way he's trying to use these news conferences, these brief hallway encounters with the press to shape the narrative around not just the case, but the overlap between the case and the campaign knowing that the whole country is watching. >> garrett haake, thank you. let's go to mike memoli now who is in scranton, pennsylvania in the absence of trump on the campaign trial because he is in

the courtroom. clearly, team biden sees an opening for the president. what's going on where you are? >> reporter: yeah, chris. well, donald trump is in the courtroom. welcome to what feels like earth two. otherwise known as the campaign trial. in just a few minutes, president biden will do what we really haven't seen yet. make his strongest effort yet to draw a clear policy contrast with donald trump. that is the economy. he's going to be arguing that donald trump is running on the same failed trickle down policies. he'll refer to his comments at a fund-raiser in which he promised to deliver more tax cuts to wealthy donors. the president will say the kind of tax policies donald trump is running on will result in an average tax cut of $3.5 million for the 1500 wealthiest americans. that's 70 times what the average income is for a family here in scranton. this is of course joe biden's hometown. he's going to argue the tax code should be built with the middle

class as its focus. this is part of a larger counterer programming strategy by the biden campaign. the president in what he considers the most important battleground state. he'll visit pittsburgh and philadelphia by week's end trying to draw an implicit contrast. >> mike, thank you. the supreme court is now weighing a case that could invalidate charges against hundreds of people connected to january 6th including former president trump. nbc's ken dilanian is following the latest there. ken, what's at issue? >> at issue here is a law make ing it a crime to obstruct an official proceeding. a charge that's been levied against more than 350 people. it's two of four charges in the election case against donald trump. the law provides a penalty of up to 20 years in prison for anyone who quote corruptly alters, destroys, mutilates or concealed

a record, document, or other object or attempts to do so with intent to impair. that's a mouthful but this second part is important. where otherwise obstructs influences or impedes any official proceeding or attempts to do so. lawyers for a former police officer charged in the january 6th riot say the second part of the statute has been wrongly interpreted and doesn't apply to capitol rioters. a lot of the arguments were technical. for example, the history of the use otherwise and how laws are interpreted but the bottom line is that a number of justices expressed concern that the current interpretation is too broad. some justices did seem to be trying to find a compromise where they could limit how the law is applied in a way that might allow the january 6th cases to go ahead.

only a few seemed to buy the arguments. so depending on the way the justices rule, it could impact the case against mr. trump but not kill it all together. >> thank you. in 60 seconds, the secretary of homeland security at the center of a heated political clash as the house gets ready to send articles of impeachment to the senate. we're live on capitol hill, next. ment to the senate we're live on capitol hill, next we always fed them kibble— it just seemed like the thing to do. but ...he was getting picky we heard about the farmer's dog... and it was a complete transformation. his coat was so soft, he had amazing energy. he was a completely different dog. it's a no-brainer that (remi) should have the most nutritious and delicious food possible. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. lowering bad cholesterol can be hard, even with a statin. diets and exercise add to the struggle. today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio.

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julia ainslie is reporting from washington, d.c. also with us, former republican congressman of florida, david jolly, and robert gibbs, former white house press secretary under president obama and an msnbc political analyst. so, julia, how are secretary mayorkas and the department of homeland security dealing with this? i think he's not going to be there today, correct? >> that's right. although he was on the hill earlier this morning for a hearing about dhs's budget but by and large, people i talk to at dhs, they see this as a waste of time. they think mayorkas rightfully needs to keep his attention focused on actually performing the duties of secretary of homeland security. we saw in a statement today from the department, they said that despite warnings from fellow republicans that basement impeachment efforts distort the constitution, house republicans continue to ignore the facts and undermine the constitution by wasting even more time on this sham impeachment and the senate. i think that's even stronger wording than what we heard when

the house first did decide to vote to impeach mayorkas last month. we also heard from the secretary talking about what he really needs to do his job as secretary. >> our immigration system however is fundamentally broken. only congress can fix it. congress has not updated our immigration enforcement laws since 1996. 28 years ago. our administration worked closely with a bipartisan group of senators to reach agreement on a national security supplemental package, one that would make the changes that are badly needed and give dhs the tools and resources needed to meet today's border security challenges. we remain ready to work with you to pass this tough, fair, bipartisan agreement. >> the timing couldn't be better for mayorkas, the fact he's already on the hill to make his case for what he needs as homeland security secretary.

tell republicans they've been wrong to cut funding to some of these key areas. tell them they should have passed the bipartisan bill he worked on tirelessly through december and january while not actually having to be in person. he was not in person before the house committee. they said the timing didn't work out on that then we understand that if the senate would decide to move even to something that looks like a trial even though that would be short, we understand secretary mayorkas is likely to not go to that because he wants to spend his time doing these duties and participating in hearings about the budget rather than what they call the sham proceedings. >> ali vitali is on capitol hill. how is this going to look and play out? it sounds weird, but almost a ceremonial aspect to this. >> reporter: there's definitely a ceremonial aspect to this. in some ways, this is what we've seen before because in these strange political times, this is hardly the first impeachment

we've seen congress push forward with though it is the first we've seen of a cabinet secretary, that makes it rare, but it will look a little bit when the house comes this afternoon, to transmit these articles of impeachment, we will see them with the house sergeant at arms as well as the clerk walk from the house side of this building to the senate side. they will then be announced at the door of the senate then we'll see at that point when senator schumer says he will proceed with the next steps of this. now, i heard julia mentioning the idea of something that will look like a trial. there are certainly several people on the senate side of this building, conservative republican, who are trying to demand that a trial be held. i have to say that is probably not in the cards but it's also a moment where even those house republicans who are demanding it acknowledge the fact that not even all republicans are on board for that as a plan and certainly not all republicans are on board for convicting mayorkas of the things he's been charged with.

i want to let you listen to what senator schumer said this is going to look like on the senate side of this building. we'll talk about the procedure of that. watch. >> impeachment should never be used to settle a policy disagreement. talk about awful precedence, this would set an awful precedent for congress. every time there's a policy agreement in the house, they send it here, tie the senate in knots to do an impeachment trial. that's absurd, abuse of process. that is more chaos. >> reporter: certainly, i've also heard not just from democrats but from some republican aides as well as senators themselves who say that while they disagree and are vehemently upset with the situation at the border, they don't necessarily think that impeaching the homeland security is the way and the vehicle with which to remedy those problems. never the less, a few other

things we'll see, unlike in past impeachments where you'll see the chief justice presiding, that's not going to happen this time. instead, you've got patty murray who's going to be sitting in the chair sort of conducting the business of the senate. we're also not going to see defense lawyers for mayorkas there and of course, mayorkas himself is not going to be present for these proceedings. all of this expected to kick off officially tomorrow and be dispensed with frankly pretty quickly after that. >> so, david, this is the same group of house republicans who said no to a massive funding be ill to help protect the border. now impeaching a guy on accusations he's not doing enough. what's going on here? >> look. the one thing that republicans wan the biden administration to do is what the trump administration tried to do and the court said you're not allowed to. so biden and mayorkas have gone to congress and said we want to help fix this. it takes congress to send legislation to the white house.

house republicans have failed to work with senators on that compromise and so what you're seeing is the angry caucus, a bit of the crazy caucus on the house side. house republican side, really hold this over mike johnson, a speaker who's fighting for his job. to push this kind of angry impeachment of the homehomeland security secretary. nobody cares about this whatsoever. certainly mayorkas perhaps doesn't want this touch of history, but you can tell it doesn't bother him. the senate, some democrats and republicans really don't care about this. i think the reason you're seeing democrats make it go away and deflect is because the american people don't care about this impeachment. so they don't want to give them reason to. republicans want to talk about border policy and biden's saying okay, let's talk about it because we gave you a solution, we asked for help. you won't give us to us. >> and robert as you know, polls

suggest that president biden is getting a lot of the blame for this. and let's not kid ourselves, facts are often at odds with perception, right? so how the democrats take this and win the argument that it is republicans who are holding up progress? >> well, i think it's exactly what david just said and that is they've got to press the case on the fact that there's, there is a solution to this. secretary mayorkas made that case today. that that solution is with congress. that solution is to change the policies at the border. to serve resources there and to do the things that an important and challenging public policy problem require. i think it's really going to be incumbent upon democrats and this white house to press this case. i think you look at the polling and you see they're not going to win the immigration issue. but it is a challenge right now for president biden and they have to do all that they can to

minimize its impact in 2024. as well as to make the affirmative case somebody's going to be governing this country after this election. joe biden wants it to be him. might be a good time at that point after we've gone through these political battles around this, to seek a solution. that's what the border is going to require long-term and a campaign helps set that up. >> ali, julia, david, robert, please stay with us. moments ago, the criminal trial of donald trump back underway. some of the unusual admissions and questions that have already come up during jury selection today. keep it right here. ght here power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day

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they're back and so we're headed back to donald trump's hush money trial. everyone just returned from lunch break to resume jury selection. we are waiting to see when we learned what they were going to keep, strike. what have we heard in these first few minutes? >> reporter: so they can essentially present for cause why they would want to strike a particular juror or say i don't like this juror. they can do that ten times. in this case, branch is presenting juror number one. >> meaning the main attorney for

donald trump. >> reporter: exactly. exactly. thank you for pointing that out. so juror number one as someone they want to strike. they're taking us through the reasons in which they want to strike this individual and i kind of want to read for you what we're hearing from inside the courtroom specifically. so merchan is asking an a facebook post that they are talking about from 2020 when joe biden won the election. and in this facebook post, it appears to be two screen grabs an outdoor location and says i have to get in the car and spread the honking cheers. there is an actual dance party on 96th street. now, i was in times square on the day in which it was announced that joe biden had won the presidential election back in 2020. honking your car was obviously a sign of support for president joe biden and him winning that election. subsequently, it seems as if that is problematic to donald trump's attorney along with the

defendant, donald trump, himself. they're also showing a video from her facebook as well that we were not able to see or there was an overflow room we're not able to see because the images were turned off on the screen. one other thing. todd blanch says you're wondering how it is we were able to verify this facebook page actually belonged to this juror, to this individual. he says multiple jurors had social media posts that directly contradicted their testimony and says the juror was celebrated the 2020 loss there, hence the reason why they want to strike this juror. one other thing i want to read for you here is this. it is the change between blanch and this potential juror. this potential juror says this is a different case than those other cases. i didn't follow them specifically. they are about different things. we have to take this case on its own merits. it's relatively simple.

they go on. how do you feel about him, donald trump's attorney says. that's not important, this potential juror. what if you were sitting in a bar? then i would tell you. that's what this juror says. i'll say i'm a democrat. so there you go, picked up for the jury would be to judge the defendant on the basis of the facts. it didn't matter what my view is, but i honestly believe i can conpartmentalize. there's more. this was a pretty long conversation. my opinion of the president whether as a president, former president, candidate, has absolutely no bearing on this case. what i think about president trump outside of this room has nothing to do with what goes on. my view does not matter. if we were sitting in a bar, i'd be happy to tell you. personal opinion is personal opinion. that is from this potential juror who now todd blanch has a problem with. one other note, chris, that i got from laura jarrett who's in

the overflow room along with lisa rubin as well, is that trump has been more animated during this process and when they went to kind of their corners and then subsequently lunch breaked to figure out who would be struck, it seemed as if the former president was very involved in that process as he was in the judge kaplin case. to just things to keep in mind and part of the process. really, this is the process working. >> all right, we may come back to you. thank you very much for that. joining me now, christie greenberg, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. i find this fascinating and here's why. we know they have a limited number of strikes that they can use, right, so you're very early in this process. that some accounts may take not just the rest of this week, but potentially next week. so you have a juror in new york

city where frankly 90% of people almost are democrats or consider themselves to be leaning in that direction, right? and 2020 election comes, many were very upset when hillary clinton lost. and a sign of people celebrating that it seems that joe biden had won was the honking of horns. this guy, the judge is asking to confirm it was his account, but this guy apparently suggested that there were a lot of people out honking their horns and he might need to join them. if you were on the defense team, is that something that would cause you to say that is not a juror that i think can be fair and impartial in spite of the

fact? >> so look, i understand why they're making the argument, but they're trying to, there are two different kinds of challenges. one, they can just challenge someone really for any reason other than you know, legal prohibitions. like it's not based on race, your gender. but for cause challenge, that challenge has to be you can show this person cannot be fair and impartial. and just because somebody celebrated that joe biden won the election in 2020 doesn't mean that person can't put aside their political views and judge based on the evidence and law. >> let me tell you what's happening now. we're literally watching this document unfold. this is from our folks inside. big moment. judge merchan is asking for that juror who is described as a middle-aged woman from the upper west side of manhattan. please have her come in. both parties will question her about these posts. before she comes in, i don't want a cross-examination.

just ask her what this is and allow her to explain it. this is not an opportunity for another voir dire. let her have her say. what do you make of that? >> i think judge merchan is being very careful here to create a record that's very clear on appeal that the defense has raised some questions and we're going to allow further questions of this juror. i also wonder, there was a juror who was a middle age woman who said her media diet was a steady diet of msnbc and she had occupied democrats information on her social media. i'm wondering if this is the same person. >> does not appear to be the same person i'm being told. >> okay. but you know, yeah. people who seem like they may be you know, affiliated with maybe more extreme groups, those are the kinds of people that donald trump's team is going to look to strike but somebody again who may have just been posting videos of other people celebrating and saying hey, i

may want to go out and join what's going on outside, i'm not sure that's enough for cause challenge. >> there's also a little sub text i think to a question that judge merchan asked of the defense team, which is are we sure this is her account. we should remember that it was his daughter who was attacked by donald trump for a posting that turned out was not hers. that was not her account. and so maybe he would have asked that any way, but it's hard not to read that sub text into it. >> 100%. the fact they've gotten it wrong before. yes, you're going to have these consultants and paralegals scouring social media. they have the names, we in the public don't, but you want to make sure they're getting right trust but verify. that makes good sense that the judge is asking those questions. >> so todd blanche says to this

juror who has now been brought back in. we have a question about a facebook post around the time of the 2020 election and it appears in the facebook post you recorded a celebration around the same period and she says, i think i was going to my car for alternate side of the street parking. anybody who doesn't live in manhattan knows this is a nearly -- ah. all right. we're going to get back to this. don't go anywhere, but we want to go to the floor of the house because it has begun. the ceremony. this is essentially a ceremony where they are walking the articles of impeachment, two of them, against homeland security secretary mayorkas. they've gathered outside the house chambers. you can see the rotunda of the senate. they're accompanied by the acting house clerk, the sergeant at arms always goes with them as well. william mcfarland.

and you can see the cameras are capturing that walk. they're heading over to the senate chamber doors and the clerk will announce that the house is informing the senate that they have passed a resolution appointing and authorizing managers for the impeachment trial for secretary mayorkas. let me bring back in ali vitali, julia ainslie, david jolly, and robert gibbs. robert gibbs, i'm going to start with you as you're watching this. as someone who's been around politics in the highest levels of politics for a very long time. what do you see as you watch this? something that's not happened against a cabinet secretary in something like 200 years? >> there's a couple of different things. obviously this is the picture republicans in congress in particular and probably president trump wants a lot of people to see. i can't help but think this is the sort of the end of the real accomplishment of this entire

proceeding because it's not a matter of if secretary mayorkas is acquitted. it's just a matter of how quickly it will happen. the second thing is as we've talked about the sub text of all of this, there are high crimes and misdemeanors. this is a policy disagreement with which one house has impeached a member of the cabinet. you were to play this out in the future, an already slow government process in congress would come to a virtual standstill because you'd spend most of your time in these types of proceedings trying to find people to put their good name up to even be a cabinet secretary. >> ali vitali, have you heard any concern among republicans other than those who have said they would not vote for this particularly over on the senate side that politically this is a bad move? >> reporter: look, i think that politically, the concerns are

less around this as a vehicle for holding accountable the biden administration on the border and more the political concern is how this is leveraged on the campaign trial. specifically on immigration. i think the way you should think about this moment is the proxy battle for the war republicans have been waging against the biden administration's border policies for the entirety of the biden white house and the entire time he's been in the white house. so the fact they are now standing there on the precipice of finalizing the last part of the impeachment push, yes, it gives republicans something to talk about. i also think senate republicans are going to try to jam vulnerable senate democrats up for re-election in red states with this issue, but certainly i don't think that, i have yet to meet this voter though maybe i will, i don't think voters are making their decision based on whether or not secretary mayorkas is convicted or even has a trial in this building.

that being said, republicans will try to leverage this as the largest part of their message around immigration and the border and we know that that is a really palpable and energizing issue out on the campaign trial. i think the thing that i see and we also see this reflected in polling trends is that abortion and immigration are these two dualing issues that lead the 2024 charge. just to put you inside the room, we're looking at senator patty murray. she's about to receive these articles. you see the house members waiting outside the doors here. it's interesting if you look at this group of impeachment managers who are about to enter the senate floor because among them is congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. she's right in the front row in a red or seemingly pink dress according to the way i'm seeing it on the screen and she has been the person who has not only been pushing the impeachment of mayorkas for the entire time that republicans have had this majority, but she is also now the thorn in the side of the

current speaker, mike johnson, because of this lingering threat of a motion to vacate. being an impeachment manager is a privilege. the fact that she has this privilege while she's also threatening the job of the man who gave it to her is really fascinating. palace intrigue for those of us who cover the capitol, and a moment where it's clear she has cemented power within this conference and can still openly challenge the speaker. it really speaks to where this house republican conference is at right now. in any other world prior to this conference, we would have been shocked by any of these happenings. even the fact a second member came out and said they would vacate a motion. chaos has really been the name of the game here, but this is a moment where house republicans are trying to project unity, that they are standing on the floor of the senate now and coming to the final conclusion of a mayorkas impeachment that is both rare and one of the key planks of them having the

majority in the first place. investigations and accountability were always going to be the name of the game for these republicans and that's what they're doing here as we watch these articles now be presented on the senate floor. >> let's listen to congressman mark green. >> resolved that mr. green of tennessee, mr. mccall, mr. biggs, mr. higgins, mr. klein, mr. fluger and miss lee of florida are conducted managers. that a message be sent to the senate to inform the senate of these appointment and that the managers may so in connection with the preparation and the conduct of the trial exhibit the articles of impeachment to the senate and take all necessary actions which may include the following. one. employing legal, clerical and other necessary assistance and incurring such other expenses

that may be necessary to be paid from amounts available to the committee on homeland security. under expense resolutions or amounts for house of representatives. two. sending for persons around papers and filing on the part of the house of representatives, any pleadings in conjunction with or subjection. house resolution 863. resolved that secretary of homeland security is impeechled for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles be exhibited. articles of impeachment exhibited by the house of representatives of the united states of america -- >> so we expect that congressman green will continue to read these articles.

but david, to pick up on what ali was saying, which is absolutely true. there is no basis that most of the members of the senate, legal scholars, including many republican members of the senate, believe even begin to rise to high crime or to high crimes and misdemeanors, but instead this is a political fight about what to do about a problem that is real. there are ongoing issues that stretch across many administrations at the border involving immigration policy in the united states. but this is not just a step beyond, it is for many, a step too far. nevertheless, david addressed the fact that this doesn't even seem anymore to be something shocking or something for which any political price necessarily will be paid. it is what we have come to

expect on capitol hill now, which is congressional chaos, the reading of articles of impeachment that absolutely no one thinks will pass. that have zero chance of putting mayorkas out of office but allowed to come forward by a speaker of the house who himself is being threatened with being expelled yet again and had to come out again today and say i'm not stepping down. >> in a grave assessment, you could say this is really a violation of the sanctity of the house. what house republicans have chosen to do with their governance of an institution at times that's risen to the greatest challenges our country has faced. they're not using their powers for this very political, unwarranted move and tool. and look, i started with the house in 1994.

1995. and it is sad to see how unserious it is currently under the republican majority. i will tell you though the house was designed to be very nimble and when the american people look at it and say this is not the way we want the house to operate. every two year, they have a chance to reassess and make changes in the leadership of the house and we may see that. ali concluded her remarks with recognizing the pivotal role of marjorie taylor greene. i think a lot of people see that as a reflection of an unserious house as well. if she indeed now having really moved the house to impeach mayorkas, she now sits as an impeachment manager. if she moves to vacate the chair and topple johnson, it's hard to move she's not the most powerful member of congress today in this republican majority given the thin majority, but that can all change on a dime in november if the american people choose to restore sanity of leadership to the house. >> there is something also i

think robert about optics. i'm guessing, you and i have never had this conversation, but politics aside, every day you walked into the white house, the west wing, every day that you walked into the oval office, there's a sense of awe of place. of the history that has occurred there. the importance of what is happening there. it is the same on capitol hill. these are yes, absolutely stunningly beautiful spaces. but they also carry the weight of history with them. so with that as the backdrop as you watch what's going on, what do you think? >> well, chris, i worked in that building for several years. one of my favorite jobs was given tours in that building as an intern. you walk on the steps inside the capitol and the steps are grooved because of the hundreds of years of people walking up and down those marble steps. i can't help but think as i

watch this what we're unwinding and what we're unleashing in the go forward if something like this is able to stand. this isn't serious. if this was a serious debate, in the senate or in the house, we'd be talking about legislature to fix the problem. not what amounts to nothing more than a political stunt around an issue that they want to make a bigger political issue. and so i think it's a bit of a sad day and as you unwind all this and understand, you know, just how unserious this all feels. >> and julia, you mentioned that secretary mayorkas was on the hill today talking about the budget. it now looks as though the way that the speaker is approaching what had been immigration part of the foreign aid bill, they're now going to be separated into three different pieces without immigration being a part of that. where does that leave the

situation for the administration and mayorkas, who do have things they want and need to do on the border? so we've lost julia. so with that, i will thank david jolly and robert gibbs and go to ali really quickly. where this leaves things in terms of getting something done on immigration, ali. >> reporter: well, i think there were some republicans who were hoping for a way to shoe horn their border bill into this ukraine, israel foreign aid package that is currently being cobbled together by speaker johnson. he announced this morning in their closed door conference meeting that that would not be possible. he deemed it not jermaine, which is the congress speak for saying we can't do it here because it's not relevant to anything else in the bill. that did not make members of his conservative conference happy. one of them, congressman tom massey, went so far as to say he

was now willing to cosponsor marjorie taylor greene's motion to vacate. it's one thing to say motion to vacate. that's pretty much air around this building but to trigger it in a so-called privileged fashion, which means it has to be taken up quickly and within 72 hours of congress' days in session. that's not where we're at yet. we're waiting to see if she ends up doing that. but again, i think it goes back to what david jolly was saying. he's someone who knows and understands this building and conference so well even though he's no longer here with us. because to have that much power as a single member of the house is so rare. it speaks to this conference and the fact the majority is so slim and it also speaks to the way that republicans writ large have seemingly taken on this posture that anyone who's in establishment or official position within the party could be on the chopping block. the it's a true

antiestablishment view from within the conservative wing of this republican conference. it's what has led us to speaker mccarthy being ousted. now speaker johnson being in a hot seat with his job. again, marjorie taylor greene is partly the reason that they are standing on the senate floor right now watching another congressman green read these articles of impeachment to senators who are seated there. you're right to point out this is not going to go anywhere in the senate, but it is something that i think is inextricably linked to have republicans as the majority party in the house. that you see things like this that are rare, probably not going anywhere in the senate. it's a reminder of divided government but i think it all circles back to what speakers have to do to ultimately keep their job. and for speaker johnson on this, he was able to get the bulk of his conference behind these articles of impeachment, but there are still so many thorny

issues including foreign aid on ukraine, on israel, that could be the thing that loses him his job and i think that is once again so striking that we are talking about the majority party and even the way mike johnson talked about it this morning. the fact he said it's absurd. you can hear how defiant he was, watch. >> i am not resigning and it is in my view an absurd notion that someone would bring a vacate motion when we are here supply trying to do our jobs. it is not helpful to the cause, the country. it does not help the house republicans advance our agenda. i am not concerned about this. i am going to do my job. >> reporter: absurd, not helpful. he's going to keep doing his job. all those things might be true, but these are the rules as republicans set them up, chris. >> ali, thank you so much. we appreciate it. just moments ago, we're going to come back to here in new york city. judge merchan admonished former

president trump in court for speaking loudly enough for a potential juror to hear. telling trump's attorney while the jury was about 12 feet away from your client, your client was audibly saying something in her direction. your client of course meaning donald trump. he went on to say i will not have any juror intimidated in this courtroom. take a moment to talk with your client. christie is back with me. judge merchan is having none of that because after he said that, todd blanche walks over to donald trump and whispered something in his ear and then they went back. but it seems like the judge is setting the parameter early. and strongly. >> and it's so important that he does. there are two issues here. one is the gag order, you can't do anything, say anything if you're donald trump that's going to intimidate a witness. that is part of you know, what this warning is. if he keeps this up, he could be in violation again of that gag

order. and the other piece is a parker warning which the judge gave yesterday. among the warnings he gave trump and asked if he understood, if you were disruptive during this trial, you don't get to be here. we will continue without you. and there are repercussions to that. so he asked him that question pointedly yesterday and donald trump said he understood it so this judge knows what donald trump's antics are and is looking to run a tight ship. >> okay. judge merchan ultimately said i find her to be credible. it appears the juror stays for now. another younger male juror has come in. and yet again, it seems that they're going back to facebook, back to postings. i have a question, said todd blanche, about what we believe to be a facebook post of yours. do you have any recollection of posting this on facebook? he says he doesn't but it's on his account. blanche asks him, do you have an

unfavorable opinion of donald trump? i did have strong views at that time in 2017, this man says. there's some cross talk. screens are off. it's hard for our folks there to hear. but is this where we're going to be? you know, there are a lot of folks who will tell their kids these days, be careful of everything you put on social media because it may come back to haunt you. it seems like every possible piece of social media is going to be brought up in this. >> so i think there are two things to separate. whether or not someone has a strong view about donald trump. again, i think you would almost be living under a rock if you didn't have a view about him. that alone is not going to give you a four kaus challenge to say this person can't be fair. but if there's some inconsistency with what the perspective juror has said, that's an issue.

>> here's what he said. this is the tweet. good news, trump lost his court battle on his unlawful travel ban. get him out and lock him up. >> yeah. that makes sense because also that sounds like it was inconsistent. they were asked questions about social media. things that they've posted. sounds like that juror was not necessarily forthcoming. >> let me ask you, if it was back in 2017, if it was years ago and someone could say you know, people do change their minds. people who voted for donald trump then voted for joe biden. vice versa. can people say that's how i felt then? it's not how i feel now. >> they can. i think with someone like donald trump, it's hard to believe that you know, with the passage of time, you would then feel differently in a positive way about him if you already thought it was unfavorable before, but you know, i also think that in

this kind of situation, you want to make sure that these jurors are being credible and giving you accurate information and not sugar coating anything. >> great to have you here. thank you for talking with us in real time. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with katy tur reports, next. continues with kt tur reports, next. and our famous garlic shrimp scampi. it's time to grab some cheddar bays and get flavorfull. hurry in to try shrimp your way, only at red lobster. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost.

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