audience, you are let in and the rest of the story plays out to really hold the framework for these conversations. >> the first two episodes of "under the bridge" are streaming now on hulu, oscar nominee lily gladstone, thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> that does it for us this morning. >> it's been awesome. >> ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," breaking news in donald trump's hush money trial. just moments ago, one of the jurors who was already sworn in and seated was just dismissed. what she told the court about new concerns she could not be fair and impartial. plus, breaking news on capitol hill, a key house committee meeting now as speaker johnson moves ahead with votes this weekend on foreign aid despite the threat to his job. could some unlikely allies snep step in to save him?

later, the backing of democratic royalty, the majority of the kennedy family set to endorse president biden rejecting one of their own. what it reveals about the race and the state of our politics. thank you so much for joining us. it is 10:00 eastern, i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. let's get right to our breaking news this morning. a new twist in the jury selection in donald trump's hush money trial. one of the seven jurors already sworn in and seated just dismissed, after expressing concerns about her ability to stay impartial, so we're now back down to six jurors seated, meaning six more, plus six alternates to go. court resuming this morning after being dark wednesday, a day trump spent complaining about the process and testing the limits of the gag order against him. nbc's vaughn hillyard is outside the courthouse, also with us barbara mcquade, msnbc legal analyst and former u.s.

attorney. ankush khardori, former federal prosecutor, and harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general. vaughn, walk us through what happened this morning with this juror. >> reporter: all of the jurors, the seven jurors that were sworn in on tuesday were told to show back up on monday morning for what could be the beginning of opening statements, but last night judge merchan informed the court that one of the jurors called up the court to inform them that she did not know whether she could actually be fair and impartial. she was asked to come to court this morning and went before the defense and went before the district attorney's office and answered questions about how she got to that conclusion. and she said in part that she got calls just yesterday alone from, quote, friends, colleagues, and family, quote, questioning my identity as a juror. she continued i don't believe i can be fair and unbiased and let the outside influences not affect me in the courtroom.

this hits at the heart of the difficulty these jurors over the course of the next six to eight weeks. these are individuals who they are anonymous, yet we and the sides have some details about who these individuals are, the neighborhoods, their occupations, and in the political system that we have today in 2024, most families have friends and other family members on the other side of the political aisle, and we do not know the details of this particular juror, but at the same time, acknowledging that clearly, friends, family, and colleagues had reason to believe that she may have been one of the jurors and she today was promptly dismissed and excused. so we are now formally back down to only six jurors meaning that there is still the need to find 12 further ones, ana. >> and there's another juror that has been called into question, juror number four, explain what's going on with him or her? >> reporter: juror number four

was also asked to show up this morning, but as of a few moments ago had yet to arrive to the courtroom. the district attorney's office said they did further investigation over the last 24 hours into the background of this individual and saw that there was a report that this individual had torn down political posters for the right back in the '90s. this person had also allegedly been involved in a corruption inquiry, had not actually been convicted, but was a part of a corruption inquiry, and that both sides would like to ask further questions about -- from this particular juror, juror number four. but this morning judge merchan saying this individual has yet to arrive, so that fourth juror is not excused at this time, but there are questions about whether that juror will also continue to serve in this capacity so we could very well be down to five here at this point if, in fact, this juror is ultimately excused. >> as we turn to our legal

analysts, vaughn, please stay with us. wave and let us know if you get new reporting as we're discussing what is going on with the jurors who have already been seated. barbara, this is drama before even trying to add people, we're losing people. what's your reaction to what happened with juror number two? >> yes, you know, two steps forward, one step back. it seemed like things were progressing quickly. this is very concerning, as the judge said there's a reason this is an anonymous jury. there is a desire to protect this jury from threats, intimidation, or even coercion by outside forces. but there has been so much detail reported about these jurors that it's probably not hard to figure out if you know something about them. they've been asked not only where they live, but they've been asked who is your current employer and who was your previous employer? if you work with a colleague, you say that sounds a lot like sheila. hey, sheila, is this you? i think one of the things that the judge has said perhaps they ought to do is to not make

public the place of employment or prior employment, instead just asking what is it you do for a living. that would be sufficient for these lawyers to decide whether this is an appropriate juror without providing publicly a lot more detail. i also think the court has been admonishing the media to not provide physical descriptions that this is a, you know, six foot male with blond hair so that people can start putting two and two together. there is a goal to protect their identity, and it is to protect not only their safety but the integrity of this process. >> kush, you had expressed concern about this very thing. you said there was a risk of jurors' identities being revealed, are we seeing that play out? and what do you think should be the best answer here? >> we are seeing it play out unfortunately. i think that this was, frankly, inevitable given the amount of information that was coming out. this is not the fault of the media. it's the fault of the judge and the district attorney's office

for not imagining this process more intelligently. evidently they're working through it today, and they're going to impose some constraints around the process, but this is highly unfortunate, and i'm a little worried that it's not going to stop, and we're just going to have to take it one day at a time. >> there's obviously a fine line about how much information can be revealed when you want to keep identities secret, and yet, want to be as transparent as possible about the process and who the people are who will be deciding the fate of such a consequential case. harry, does this now give trump more ammunition about the jury selection process, do you think? >> it gives everyone more ammunition, but the biggest problem is it opens up a whole new avenue of problems for merchan and the proceedings, so we've been worried about witness identities and whether they might be cowed. it's as if there's a stadium

full of -- on every possible detail about the jurors. you've had juror consultants fan out to the neighborhoods and find out about them, we're 24 hours or 48 hours since, and one or two identities maybe are already known. i really agree with ankush, this is not going to stop until and unless judge merchan imposes different kinds of ground rules, and it's really troubling. yes, she thought she couldn't be impartial, but the real problem is all the pressure that came on her because people knew her identity. that over the course of a trial could have all kinds of consequences, and if somebody has to be dismissed in the middle of a case, that really gets to be problematic. >> barbara, how do you see it in terms of where this process goes now, given we have six more jurors to be seated, six more alternates, 12 altogether that still have to be found and

brought to this panel. so i mean, are we going to start talking about sequestering the jury now? what do you think? >> i think that what the judge and the parties need to do is to fine tune the questions that they're asking the jurors to answer in public because revealing things like not only the community where they live but where they work and where they worked previously, there's enough information out there from which members of the public can reasonably conclude who these people are, and so i think they're going to have to start asking questions in more generic terms. they'll have to hammer that out today, so it may be that we take a break, that instead of jumping right into the process where we left off on tuesday, it may be that they need to tighten up these questions so that there's less public information revealed about these people, and it can be done. asking more about the nature of the work than the identity of the employer is probably all that they need to be able to assess this person's suitability for this case. >> vaughn, we're also expecting

some action potentially before jury selection resumes related to trump's social media posts. what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: right, folks will recall that earlier this week that the district attorney's office went to judge merchan asking him to charge trump for having violated the gag order that was placed on him for not attacking witnesses or potential witnesses, and you'll recall that judge merchan placed a hearing for this upcoming tuesday morning at 9:30 a.m., but just here in the last few minutes, the district attorney's prosecutors have come back to judge merchan here and asserted that he has violated the gag order an additional seven times, the most prominent one, they said the most concerning one was a post last night in which donald trump quoted fox personality jesse waters. and that quote was, they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in

order to get on the trump jury. now, the gag order directly stipulates that there is not to be any public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. and so at this point in time, judge merchan has not declared whether donald trump has actually violated the gag order or not, or whether that post specifically is intimidation of a potential juror or jurors, but at this point in time, the district attorney's case is at least challenging on cause that donald trump continues despite warnings from the court, continues to violate the gag order that they say is imperative to being able to prosecute this case fairly in front of a jury that is not tainted. >> harry, that post that vaughn just mentioned that trump put on social media quoing a fox news anchor, calling some of these potential jurors liberal activists. do you see repercussions for trump for that? >> there ought to be, although

it might have to do with amending the gag order going forward. it's part and parcel of what we were just talking about. it's not just the media is all over this and the focus from neighborhoods. trump himself is at best mischievous and at worst motivated to kind of break the rules. the chaos, he was the chaos president. he is now the chaos defendant, and this is just the first thing that happens this week. if we have a series of stumbles and problems of this nature, the whole trial becomes encumbered with doubts about public credibility, and that serves trump's purposes and disserves the d.a.'s purposes. it's a huge general problem that we're seeing the first instance of. >> barbara, just the fact that trump keeps sort of walking up to the line, testing the limits of this gag order, do you think he is trying to put the judge in a precarious position here, just how difficult will it be for the

judge to make a decision on how hard to come down on him? >> yeah, i think donald trump is -- you know, holds the cards here. he knows that the judge will be very reluctant to impose sanctions. the judge doesn't want to do anything that not only affects due process rights here, but creates the impression of some unfairness in the case, and so i think donald trump will keep pushing the buttons. ultimately, i think the judge needs to take a firm stand, and he should do that today. he can do that by holding donald trump in contempt of his order. you know, there's a process for criminal contempt, but that requires separate proceedings. he can use civil contempt for -- to deter him from engaging in this kind of behavior in the future. he can do that by imposing a fine, and he also has the power to jail donald trump. it gets very complicated with secret service details, but you know, it can be worked out, and i think the judge ought to take a firm stand. it's the only way to nip it, and he needs to nip it in the bud.

>> ankush, two of the current jurors who have been selected so far are lawyers. how common is that, and how might a lawyer look at the case differently than say your average joe? >> yeah, it's actually very uncommon. actually, parties tend to try to strike jurors, prospective jurors who are lawyers because sort of the conventional wisdom is if you put a lawyer on the jury, they'll sort of dominate the deliberations and sort of control the outcome that way. in this particular case, it may be that both the d.a.'s office and trump, trump's lawyers see some potential upside to having some lawyers in the jury room in this case. there's going to be some fairly technical element of the case, that it would be helpful to both sides conceivably that the d.a.'s office or the defense to have a lawyer who's in the jury deliberations, two evidently, who might be able to sort of help the jurors through the process of like navigating some of this. the nature of this case, we call it a sort of hush money case for

shorthand, but it's a falsifying business records case. there are technical elements of this that will be tricky for jurors. they will figure it out, of course. >> falsifying business records to cover up a second crime, which makes the initial falsifying records go from a misdemeanor to a felony charge, you're right, it could be complicated legally. thank you so much all for joining this conversation. harry, thank you for being with us. vaughn, barbara, ankush, stay close. we're going to keep our close eyes and ears on that manhattan courthouse and update you with the latest on jury selection in the donald trump hush money case. a speakership showdown. could a fight over foreign aid cost mike johnson his job, or could democrats save him. and 911 outages across four states. what happened? we're back in 60 seconds. your. and none of the things it won't.

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house speaker mike johnson says he is moving ahead with votes on aid to israel and ukraine as soon as this weekend, even if it puts his job in jeopardy, and this hour, a key house committee that will need to get together ahead of any weekend vote, the house rules committee is meeting this issue for johnson now remains at several conservatives have already come out against the plan, and at least two republicans say they'll vote to oust johnson from his speakership. johnson says let the chips fall where they may. >> i have not asked a single indicate to get involved in that at all. i do not spend time walking around thinking about the motion to vacate. i have a job to do here, and i'm going to do the job. regardless of personal consequences, that's what we're supposed to do. >> let's get right to nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. also joining us, former senator from louisiana, mary landrieu. she is a measure of issue one's national council on election integrity. thanks for joining us. ali, johnson is trying to push these aid bills through. sounds like he's willing to lose

his job over it. what was the tipping point? >> reporter: this is clearly a moment where we're seeing him change the strategy and forge ahead on an issue that many within the republican conference have wanted to see action on, not just when it comes to ukraine, but also when it comes to israel. the fact that they're doing basically the version of the senate supplemental but it's all different in terms of you're taking a vote on each individual piece of aid, that's the key difference here along with some other tweaks and changes that were made by the conference before this bill text was actually released. but look, this could be the thing that ends up losing johnson his job or at least putting it up for question because we see people like congresswoman marjorie taylor greene saying not only does she not like the strategy she's em employing here, it might be enough for her and other members to come together, trigger that one person, motion to vacate. that's the reason we have speaker johnson and not speaker mccarthy in the first place. there is a difference in that democrats are now thinking about potentially not just voting for the rule that would allow them to get on to this bill, but also to save johnson's job if it

comes to that, but at the end of the day, guys, we're playing politics. it still doesn't mean you get something for nothing. listen to my conversation with jake oken clos who sounded open to it. >> what's the something that you would need? >> first of all, the idea that the something that we need has to be support for democratic allies in israel and taiwan and ukraine is such a testament to how far the gop has fallen. we need to see speaker johnson is committed to competent governance. >> democrats are having consistent and evolving conversations as they see the bill text, as they see how this rule vote is going to go in this hour. all of these are real moving pieces, but it's going to be a fascinating mix of bipartisan priorities, the ways that these parties are coming together, what they're voting for, and if they're willing to cross party lines to save the speakership. this place has been -- always been bonkers this congress, ana,

but this could be yet another moment where it moves its mettle. >> >> as someone who has served on capitol hill, what are your thoughts about the position that mike johnson finds himself in right now and the consequences of it? >> speaker johnson should be commended for putting the needs of our nation and the security of our democratic allies ahead of even his own job. it takes true leadership to do that. he's not playing to his party. he respects his party. he's not playing to politics. he's playing to the tremendous issue before him, which is support for the ukraine, which is broadly supported in our country. the democracy that's trying to fight against russian attack, unjustified attack, and support for israel, one of our closest and most important allies in the world and humanitarian aid for gaza. speaker johnson should be commended for putting those issues before his own, you know,

political aspirations, and i hope that republicans and democrats in the spirit of john mccain, in the spirit of joe lieberman, in the spirit of ronald reagan and ted kennedy will work together to find a way forward to do the important work before them today and this week. >> senator, this is just a unique moment right now as well for democrats, right? they're not in the majority and, yet, they could play a crucial role in advancing this foreign aid legislation. just how much power do house democrats have right now and what's your advice to them? >> i think they have a tremendous amount of power, and i think hakeem jeffries who's an amazing and unifying leader for our party understands what's at stake, and he and the speaker will have conversations, i hope, that put the interests of our country and our democratic allies in the world, which are under threat from russia and from iran right now today real

threats, people are dying on the battlefield, and america needs to stand up and be the leader that we have been now for almost 75 plus years, and our leadership is essential. i know democrats understand that, and i believe, you know, speaker johnson understands that so let's hope that they can come together and make this work. >> ali, yesterday the senate voted to dismiss the articles of impeachment against secretary mayorkas, so that's in the other chamber. how did this all play out? >> reporter: look, there's action on all sides of this congress. they're making the most of the fact that they're in session right now. but look, on the senate side of this building, we expected the impeachment of alejandro mayorkas to be dealt with swiftly. it happened, i think, a little bit differently than many of us might have thought. instead of schumer just voting to dismiss, we watched him summarily take apart each article of impeachment through points of order.

republicans then tried to parry those attacks by trying to basically delay the consideration of whether or not these articles of impeachment were constitutional or not. ultimately, they were unsuccessful in their delay tactics, so it ended up that schumer was able to one by one deem unconstitutional through the vote of the chamber that the articles of impeachment against mayorkas were not satisfactory, were not constitutional, according to the body of the senate. then he dismissed the entire trial. that's how we thought it was going to go, different way of ending up in the same place, but it was really a day's long affair, and that's exactly what we were told to expect from a chamber, that is, yes, controlled by democrats but that not even all republicans were on board for ultimately convicting the homeland security secretary, and so there really was never going to be a way that he was convicted and removed anyway. >> ali vitali and former senator mary landrieu, thank you both for joining us. we have this just in, the federal communications commission is now investigating a massive 911 outage across four

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at the new york city courthouse where another group of potential jurors in donald trump's historic hush money trial are hearing the details of the case and are being asked questions about whether they can be fair and impartial. this new panel is now joining the courtroom after a juror who had already been seated was dismissed this morning. nbc news correspondent yasmin vossoughian joins us outside this courthouse, and back with us is former federal prosecutors, barbara mcquade and ankush khardori. yasmin, the judge asked potential jurors to raise their hands if they couldn't be impartial. what happened? >> reporter: six raised their hands, six walked out. six more excused as well. so we're at the number of 12 so far that have been excused, this total of 96. i know i'm throwing a lot of numbers at you. let me quickly, ana, you had 96 jurors brought into the courtroom this morning. they filled the jury box with 18, right? so six of those 18 walked away.

they now have to refill that jury box with six more to get to that magic 18 number. then they're going to go to the reading of those 42 questions, right? after they read off those 42 questions, a few more will likely be struck, and then that voir dire process, both the prosecution and the defense asking them their own questions. then they go to their separate corners to decide who they want to strike and then it's the causal strikes and the preemptory strikes. one more thing i want to point out, both sides have only four preemptory strikes left. only four times in which they can say i don't want yasmin on this jury. while this process is going very quickly, we saw this morning, juror number two dropped out. these are notes i'm getting from attorneys inside the courtroom, the more time this takes, the more likely it is that jurors kind of really understand and think about the gravity of the

situation and the nature of this trial. one more note for you, we're hearing about the former president inside that courtroom. we're being told his eyes are currently closed, his arms crossed. he doesn't necessarily seem to be sleeping, but that was throughout the instruction process of judge juan merchan, in which he had to walk through the instructions for the potential jurors. >> yasmin, stand by, and come back with any new details as we continue the discussion with barb and ankush. 6 out of 18 raised their hands saying they can't be fair and impartial. your reaction? >> i suppose it's not surprising. and they're not even saying whether they can't be fair in favor of donald trump or against donald trump. that sounds about right. now, that doesn't mean that all of those people will then still be qualified because now there will be these rounds of questions and there may still be some strikes for cause, which means this person has some sort of bias that makes them unsuitable for this case, but i think judge merchan is doing something efficient here, which

is for people who they themselves identify, i cannot be fair in this case one way or another, let's cut to the chase and get them out of here and let's put in the box at least those who at least themselves think they can be fair. that doesn't mean they're going to make it onto the jury because now they have to withstand this rigorous questioning where both parties may exercise both challenges for cause, as yasmin said, meaning there's a bias or preemptory challenges where one side or another has some feeling about them that makes them think they would not be favorable to their side. >> ankush, can you explain that piece a little bit more about how it's decided whether a juror is suitable to serve after the questionnaire, when we talk about strikes for cause versus the preemptory strikes, who decides whether there is cause? >> so, well, whether there is cause, that has a certain standard that the judge would need to apply in order to determine whether that strike is acceptable for cause -- >> so hold on, so is it the lawyers who say i think this

juror should be struck for cause and then the judge has the final say? how does that go? >> yes. yes, so the judge can raise it himself too, but yeah, someone has to raise the issue or a concern, and then the judge signs off on it. he isn't giving them a hard time about any of this, as barb mentioned, he's just sort of moving people out as quickly as possible who say they cannot be fair and impartial. when you get to the preemptory strikes, those are the strikes nobody has to explain or provide any detail about their reasoning. it's a very good question you've asked. i'm going to give you an unsatisfactory answer, a lot is going to come down to the lawyer's assessment of this particular case and what they think would be helpful to their side. i'm sure -- i know that trump has engaged jury consultants to engage profiles of people that would be helpful or unhelpful to them, and i'm sure they're using that through this process. it's instinctive.

i think we've been led to believe this process can be reduced to mechanics and science. at the end of the day, it really is intuitive on the part of the lawyers, and we're not in the room, so we're not seeing what they see. >> given, barb, that each side has already used six of their strikes, they only have four more to go to be able to say, i just don't want that person as part of this jury panel. do you expect that would typically mean the process will go more quickly to seat jurors? >> i do. they only have four left, so that means they can't be so choosy. any juror who's excused for cause doesn't count against their four preemptories. i'm sure there will be some people that the judge agrees should be excused for cause, but one of the things i always wanted to do as a lawyer when i was picking a jury is i wanted to keep one preemptory in my pocket. there is a risk that as you get down to the end and you use up your last one, the next person who comes in is completely unacceptable, and you think, oh,

my gosh i have just -- i'm out of preemptories and that last person who filled that last seat is the absolute worst juror i could ever imagine. as you get close to the end there, you're a little more selective about using them. if there's somebody that's like i don't love them, but i think i could live with them, you're more reluctant to use that preemptory, you always want to keep one in your pocket. >> barbara mcquade, ankush khardori, yasmin vossoughian, don't go far. we'll keep bringing you updates from that manhattan courtroom as we get them. on the campaign trail, reinforcements from american camelot. how the kennedy family is bolstering president biden today in one battleground state. 'll c. >> tech vo: this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way. and she could track us and see exactly when we'd arrive. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: we came to her with service that fit her schedule. >> woman: you must be pascal. >> tech: nice to meet you. >> tech vo: we got right to work, with a replacement she could trust.

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the trail versus the trial, while former president trump is in a new york courtroom for jury selection today, president biden will make another stop on his campaign swing through pennsylvania. he's expected to pick up a key endorsement from members of one of the most famous families in american politics. more than a dozen members of the kennedy family will endorse president biden this afternoon in philadelphia, boosting the president and sliding one of their own. robert f. kennedy jr. who is running as an independent. joining us now nbc's monica alba who's on the campaign trail with the president, and also with us senior political correspondent for the hill, amy parn. which members of the kennedy family are joining president

biden and what do we expect to hear from them? >> this is a notable one, ana, absolutely. it is really meant to signal from robert f. kennedy jr.'s closest family members, his siblings, that they are deciding to come together today and back president joe biden over his candidacy, and it is really those immediate family members, those siblings that are going to be on stage behind me here today to send that message directly, and to really put this in terms of the concern that they have about what could happen if he continues to pursue this candidacy and whether any votes that could have been going towards president biden in november could be siphoned off and go towards him, which could imperil, they view, the president's re-election chances. you're going to be seeing siblings like kerry kennedy get up here and literally invoke her father robert f. kennedy and

talk about it in very personal terms and say that he would be worried about what we're seeing here, and even if the concern is large, it's really, ana, about the smallest of margins. they're talking about here what could happen in key battleground states where a tiny difference is all that matters. and so that is the message you're going to be hearing here, and we heard a little bit more from that from former congressman joe kennedy iii, who is robert f. kennedy jr.'s nephew. he's going to be speaking here today. he's currently a special envoy to northern ireland, and he told my colleague kelly o'donnell exclusively in this conversation last night that he really did feel the need to do this, even, of course, if he and his other family members can love robert f. kennedy jr. as a relative, they want to be able to make the case that there really is a risk here for bobby's candidacy, but it's also because of who joe biden is, he said. what joe biden has done and what joe biden will do with four more

years, they want to emphasize that and say that bobby knows we stand by him as a family member while also being able to clearly communicate that his candidacy poses a risk to the country. and if you really think about it, ana, president biden has a bust of robert f. kennedy in the oval office. he's a really key figure, a hero of his, and so i think you can expect the president to weigh in on that as well in what will be a significant event here in philadelphia today. >> amy, the kennedy family is basically saying don't vote for my brother. don't vote for my uncle. vote for joe biden, when you look at the recent polling, it shows that if rfk jr.'s in the race, he's got support in the teens if it's a three-man race, and he takes voters from both biden and trump. is president biden his campaign concerned about rfk jr.? >> privately i think they will tell you, yes, they are because in key states, if he gets on the ballot in a state like arizona, in a state like nevada, and he's trying to desperately, and a lot of people predict that he will,

he can take votes away. he can take votes away from hispanic voters, which i reported earlier this week, one in five hispanic voters could go for him. that's the race. that's the ball game. i think they're very concerned. that's why they're having -- they have a big dnc effort now to go after rfk jr. they know -- they are concerned about this, and they're not taking it for granted, and so this endorsement matters in a big, big way to them right now. >> the endorsement could be symbolic, but does it have momentum to actually shift people's votes or make up minds is my big question. you had a few weeks ago, you know, barack obama and bill clinton offering endorsements and having this big event to support joe biden. today it's the kennedy family. is it more about not losing votes, or about gaining votes? >> i think both, stopping the bleeding, and also gaining votes because they're worried. it's a low enthusiasm election, and they're worried that people

are looking around and saying, okay, what are my other options. if i don't want trump and i don't want biden, maybe i will consider kennedy. it's good to get in there early right now. people are starting to pay attention. it's the spring season. it's going into summer, people are trying to look around to see and assess their options. and so i think this is a really smart move right now to get out there, and he's going to have to keep pounding the drum. it's early, and so there's a long way away to get to november. so he's going to have to keep reminding people about why this is important. he can't just rely on this one endorsment. >> amy parnes, thank you. we have more breaking news from that manhattan courtroom where there have been major twists and turns this morning with jury selection in donald trump's hush money trial. we'll have the latest when we come back. we'll have the latest when we come back.

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officially day three of jury selection. it's already been an interesting morning with a juror who was seated now dismissed and a number of other potential jurors also being dismissed after they said they couldn't be fair and impartial. our yasmin vossoughian is back with us outside the courthouse. yasmin, you have a potential juror who was dismissed there with you. go right ahead. >> reporter: i do. this is cat, she runs a vc fund here in manhattan for folks that are over 60 years of age. she was just dismissed as a potential juror. what happened? why were you dismissed? >> because i couldn't be impartial. >> you couldn't be impartial. >> so when the judge asked that hand, can you be impartial, you raised your hand and you said you cannot. >> exactly. >> reporter: when did you first come? >> on tuesday. >> reporter: on tuesday. and at that point when did you realize that this was a trial involving the ex-president of the united states, donald trump? >> so we were here on tuesday from 9:00 a.m., but we realized that it's about this case on 4:00 p.m. we went into the courtroom, and

we saw donald trump. >> you went into the courtroom at 4:00 p.m. on tuesday and you see donald trump? >> exactly. we didn't know before that. >> reporter: what was your first thought? >> i was shocked. i was sitting on the second row like six feet away, and when i realized that trump is there, i was like, oh, wow. i couldn't believe it. >> reporter: what about the people around you? >> everybody was shocked. everybody was frozen. no like -- frozen, no expressions, nothing. we were all, you know. >> reporter: did he look back at you? did any of the attorneys look back at you at that time? >> sometimes trump would turn his head, but that was it. yeah. he didn't stand up or anything. >> reporter: were you following the case before this? >> i didn't really. i'm too busy. >> reporter: you're too busy. >> but you knew he was on trial of? >> i knew, just the headlines, but too busy to read.

>> reporter: have you ever served as juror before? >> no, it's my first time because i just became citizen in august, and that was my first call. >> reporter: so you just became a citizen of the united states, so that means you've never voted in a presidential election. >> exactly. >> reporter: you're called to be a juror, and this is the jury you're called to. that is unbelievable. >> i know. >> reporter: what was your impression of donald trump when you saw him? >> you know, he looked less orange, definitely like more yellowish, like yellow. he looks -- he doesn't look angry or -- i think he looks bored, like he looks -- he doesn't look angry or -- i think he looks bored, like, he wants this to finish. and go do his stuff. that's how i, yeah. >> did you have any discussions with other jurors when you left the room about kind of how huge

this case was, how historic it was going to be. >> everybody. >> what were you guys talking about? >> it is a historical case, and, you know, this is going to define so many things. but at the same time, our job as a juror, right, is to be impartial, like to be unbiased. so, it was, yeah, it was, you know, weird, like, the whole atmosphere, like, you know, it is such an important case at the same time, yeah. >> did you talk to anybody that really wanted to serve on -- in that jury? >> that anybody -- that they wanted to serve? >> any other jurors you spoke to, are there people that said i want to do this, i want to serve on this jury, i want to be part of this? >> no, but they feel the duty, definitely. >> they feel the duty. >> yeah, that's how i -- >> did you feel that duty as being a new citizen of this country? was there a part of you that said i want to serve? >> i feel a duty, yeah. i'm a citizen, yeah, i have responsibilities, right?

of course, it is a duty, yeah. >> does this make you want to follow this case even more? >> not really. >> no? >> no. >> wow. well, cat, i'm so thankful you took the time to talk to us and i wish you the best of luck. >> thank you. >> quite a moment as your first time serving in a jury and being -- >> it makes a good story. >> it makes for a very good story. thank you so much. >> i have a question. before you let cat go there, before you let cat go, i'm just curious, because she talks about duty -- >> come on back, cat, come back. >> she talks about this sense of duty. >> she's here. she's here. >> it is also her duty to be very honest and she couldn't be impartial, she felt. and given she has spoken with others who are around her, does she get a sense there will be a jury that can be fair and impartial selected at the end of the day? >> so, ana is our anchor in the chair right now. she's wondering as we're talking about this idea of duty, right,

and this idea of being fair and impartial, do you feel like the people that you were speaking with in that jury room, that you sat with, all day on tuesday, that they can put together a fair and impartial jury because of that sense of duty? do you think that's possible? >> i'm not sure about that. >> really? why? >> you know, everybody has biases and, you know, stereotypes in their minds, so you have to be really, you know, deepened, you know, fair person. it is just very hard to do, right, in order to serve as a juror. i hope they do. i mean, this is justice, right? i hope they do, yeah. >> thank you so much, cat. now i'm going to let you go. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. and, ana, i know that we were just getting this information in, as you guys were coming to me and i was going to speak with cat, but we have that full jury box, so they're going to be

heading into now that voir dire process after reading those questions. almost half that room after just those two questions asked do you have a conflict, and are you -- can you be fair and impartial, almost half the room left. >> yasmin, thank you so much for that really interesting interview. let me bring in barbara mcquaid. your reaction to what we just heard in that conversation? >> i think she demonstrated why it can be difficult to find an impartial jury in this case because even she, who said she's very busy and only kind of casually listens to the news and hears headlines thought she could not be impartial in this case. and so, one hopes that the people who are self-identifying and saying they have a bias are being truthful when they do that. but i think it is also important to remember that some of the people who are -- self-identifying as people who are unable to serve are also doing it because they just can't serve because of conflicts, their work, family responsibilities and other kinds

of things may preclude them from serving. but i thought it was very interesting to hear, you know, she's a little star struck, the way she described him, but she clearly had certain views about him, and i think, you know, demonstrated the process works when she said she admitted she couldn't be fair because of the biases that she has developed herself. >> and what stood out to you from that discussion from the potential juror who was dismissed? >> that was fascinating. to think that strikes me is that, you know, it is a very, very good reminder of how our legal system works in this country. donald trump is going to be judged by a jury of his peers, ordinary americans, including people like the person you just had on, she won't be on the jury herself obviously, but someone who just became a citizen of this country. i think it is a remarkable thing and it is an element of this proceeding that we just shouldn't lose sight of. this is unprecedented. and, you know, it is just our fellow americans who are going to be resolving this.

>> barb, if you had a chance to ask a question of the jurors, what would it be? >> i guess i would ask them about to what extent are they concerned about outside influences after they start to serve. they're going to be selected and deselected basd on biases. can they withstand any scrutiny they might get, even though we'll do everything we can to assure your anonymity, people might ask are you on that jury and they'll figure it out. will you be able to decide the case based on the facts and the law that you hear here and nothing from the outside? >> i like barb's question. i think it is an important question, actually. we have gotten a flavor of it today with respect to the person who got excused. and the media sort of interplay between the media and the legal proceeding is going to be unique and interesting to see unfold.

barb is right. it is important for these people to, you know, be prepared to have to be able to insulate themselves from that stuff because this is going to be a very, very obviously heavily covered proceeding. >> well, thank you, both, so much for being with us throughout the hour. really appreciate you both. that's going to do it for us this hour. i'll be back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern filling in for my friend katy tur. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. the chances of a plane crash -- 1 in 11 million. you're not going to finish those salted nuts, right? so, here's to now. never waking up from anesthesia -- 1 in 185,000. validate your parking or just see how it goes? -what? -why stress about the unlikely?

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good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this hour with breaking news from inside a manhattan courtroom where there are new developments in former president donald trump's first criminal case. just this morning, one of the jurors was dismissed after she said she was having second thoughts about being impartial. the case is centered around