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screen. words maybe donald trump never wants to hear let alone hear while he's stuck sitting hearing the rules in court. quote, this trial is starting. they have the full jury and all of the alternates. they are fully impanelled and rearing to go and ait is gone down faster than expected. four full court days is all it took and that means opening statements begin monday. donald trump's efforts to delay in this case have failed and i've told you in other cases those efforts have worked. so never know with the lawyers and the trick of the trade and his large following what will happen. tonight we could tell you something we couldn't tell you at the start of the week. all delay requests rejected and failed. now they will clash and lay out their vision in front of this jury and to extent the nation in the world watching starting
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monday about whether donald trump is innocent as he -- he's going to be accused of being a felon. and aspects of hi personal life will defendant be discussed for days on end and he'll have to deal with it silently and quitely and complaintly like any other defendant. i say that by way of introduction to this moment because the proceedings were winding down and best we could tell from reporters in the room, trump may have thought things were done and he tried to rise before court was officially adjourned. and if you've watched a courtroom drama, you know they take all of the rules, small and large pretty seriously. there is a sort of decor um and
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there is a bailiff and the judge of the "new york times" reported told this defendant, sir, could you please have a seat. because he had risen before court adjourned. after the judge leaves the chambers, of course, the judge is in charge, the senior official in the room, not anyone else, not certainly the criminal defendant, doesn't pat fer he used to have a government job, even the number one job, only after the judge leaves the chambers did defendant trump and others get up and leave because that is only time they're allowed to. i could tell you we have 12 new yorkers who will be deciding fate of this defendant. they are anonymous. five women and one man as alternates. trump has a packed schedule next week, owing to the many different things he's been caught doing. monday will be opening statements in this trial about hush money and possible campaign
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crimes. they'll also be a hear being his bond in the case where he was basically found liable for massive civil fraud in new york. tuesday, there is a separate hearing about the gag order, remember i mentioned about delay tactics. he may have hoped to try this judge up for days debating gag orders, that didn't happen. the judge set this plan in motion to say, you may have violated it more than once, we'll deal with that next week but first we're going to pick this jury. so that is another busy day tuesday for him. and then thursday, the supreme court will be holding oral arguments on the most important, probably most grave case against trump, the january 6 insurrection coup related case and whether he has any immunity while he was president. the supreme court hearing that on thursday. so monday is a new phase in the new york trial. prosecutors could begin laying out their case to the jury and day one of a trial is not unlike
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day one of a job or any other interaction where you meet a bunch of new people. both sides, prosecutors and defense, will be, in effect, meeting these jurors who have the final say. so, it is way more important than day ten or 20. even though you have important witness evidence and closing arguments which is a chance to tell folks something before they go into to deliberate. but the first few days will be big. and prosecutors have a case they think will captivate this jury. we learned about this jury, we learned a lot of people say they don't follow the news, some said they weren't familiar with which cases donald trump was facing. so they are going to say to those folks, the man in this room, made these hush money payments and they could prove that, and he paid to stormy daniels and then he falsified business records intentionally and knowingly, not that something got written down wrong, but this defendant, he
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did it. and did he it for a reason. and they're going to say, something along the lines of, and i know this because i read the indictment and i know a good opening statement will say that he did it to lie to you. to orchestrate a scheme to influence the 2016 presidential election, that means every voter in america including the new york voters who are jurors, to purchase this negative information and then to very specific mischaracterize that for other crimes, taxes, campaign finance, designed to hide the true nature of the payments and if this is anything like other financial payments you might hear prosecutors say things like you wouldn't get away with this. you might have just filed your taxes recently, you might worry about those kind of things. and even if you make an honest mistake on your taxes you have to go back and admit it and fix it and pay up, and this defendant thinks they could get away with all of that. that is kind of stuff that we're going to hear on the prosecution side. and while the mischaracterization stuff, and the business fraud isn't a felony, the d.a. will have to
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sooner or later explain the legal theory. that what was a misdemeanor, becomes a felony, because of the other criminal intent. it is combined and damning evidence of a larger crime and there are more than one set of crimes to choose from. there is election law. there is tax law. there are parts of new york penal law. and in a twist, michael cohen who they will almost certainly hear from, michael cohen went to federal prison for the last highlight you see on this, federal election campaign law. so this d.a. and his prosecutors will argue that all of this is clear as day. it is proven basically because they have so much record evidence and in the opening argument they will strike a pretty confident tone they will in the indictment saying it is not complicated, it is all corroborated, and they even have the defendant on tape. and that trump knew it was a big deal because he, when asked about it, first lied and blamed
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michael cohen. >> did you know about the payments to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael cohen is my attorney. and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> but no, you'll have to michael cohen. there was a million defrn different ways that politicians could avoid or dismiss things but he was still stuck to his blame michael cohen defense. ask him. it was all him. and he went rogue and quickly other lawyers had to come in and start changing the story. we don't know what out of court evidence they'll but using but they are going to take different parts of the timeline, the prosecutors, to show how the story shifted, which in essence is another way that you know was a cover-up. because he had the original thing and they covered it up and
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then in a sense they started covering up the cover-up. and then trump lawyer rudy giuliani basically went on live tv and changed the story and admitted or said trump did repay cohen. >> they funneled it through a law firm. funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know, he didn't? there is no campaign finance law? >> zero. >> zero campaign finance law said the now indicted rudy giuliani. he, like michael cohen, was indicted for crimes allegedly done on behalf of donald trump. he is awaiting his own trial in georgia. cohen has gone through this process already. he pled guilty about the hush money and went to prison and it did involve a federal campaign crime. and one juror said they are familiar with michael cohen and another said they follow
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kellyanne conway, but they'll only focus on the evidence admitted into trial. so they're going to hear things from cohen that might echo what we've learned in public but it has to be done under oath. but of course, cohen has been under oath before. he testified under oath to congress about all of this. >> what i did each and every time is go straight into mr. trump's office and discuss the issue with him. he acknowledged to allen that he was going to pay the $130,000 and that allen and i should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. >> you could expect consistent testimony to that end from cohen before these jurors. the legal problems, of course, are adding up and that is where this man who has chosen to run for president again, many people in this situation wouldn't even do that, is going to have to face some level of public
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exposure and context as people learn about this stuff. same way that the january 6 hearings showed a lot of evidence to the public which they then fact or in. but they're going to be asked to focus only on the evidence in new york. prosecutors will be chipping away at this defendant and they will be making these arguments. and in this lead tonight we focused on the prosecution's case. we know more about it as a fact all matter, because we have the indictment. there is no published thing in the advance, the burden is on the prosecution, so if you are thinking i hear we have to have both sides to understand this case, we're covered both sides throughout the trial and tonight. so later on tonight, we have a break down on the defense side. what you just heard was some of the damning evidence on the prosecution side. arguing that donald trump is a felon, and that he committed a jailable felony.
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>> he had to sit there and listen to comments like this one from a woman who said, she said, i wouldn't believe trump if his tongue were notarized. and his tongue is not notarized. i was watching that for the first time. professor murray and andrew weissmann are here. professor, this is like all trials of public interest, a crash course in how this works and so it is really been, i think, interesting and positive to see how the jury is selected. it is part of the transparency. i'm curious what stands out to now that for the first time the judge said they have the full panel and from the jokes and people who dissed the former president, who are all removed to those who said, some of the jurors said positive things about it and their still on the jury and said them in a way that still sounds impartial.
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which stands out to you. >> can professor are you talking to, because you have the faculty here. >> it is friday. i'm feeling loose. i don't think of andrew as a real professor. i think of him as -- >> yeah, that's nice. >> that is why that happened. here is the thing. i practice law and i report on law and andrew weissmann is one of the most celebrated veteran foreman prosecutors in the country eastern district general council fbi, mueller probe. you could talk to democratic administrations about him potentially being an a.g. he doesn't even like to talk about that in public. but i don't think of him as a professor, professor. >> well i do think of him as a professor. he's not only my co-author on the trump indictment, he's also my colleague. but what stood out for me this week was despite the very herculean effort to keep the information about these jurors
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secret, this is a public trial. which means that information that is given in open court is heard by the reporters who are covering this trial. it is not televised but it is being reported very closely. by various aspects of the media and some of that has been recorded. and one of the jurors seated thought differently about it when her colleagues and family members told her she could be identified based on her employer and the nature of her work and she was quite concerned about that. and so we have this concern from many of the people who are going to be on this panel, not only the questions about their impartiality, but they actually have real fears given the nature of this defendant and those who follow him about whether or not this is going to compromise their safety and make it more difficult for them if they do their civic duty and perform on this jury. >> andrew, same question, and if you do want to weigh in on the
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discussion about whether you would ever serve as attorney general and you could do so as well. >> i sort of think, i think it was a brilliant podcast host, based on strict -- i think of myself as a colleague at nyu. i think, to me, it is just a remarkable week. because you have this real tension of seeing the rule of law in america finally holding donald trump to account. and i don't mean as the result. meaning, that this is due process, where you have a trial and it will be for the state to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. as we all know, to a unanimous jury and if they can't meet that burden, as the jury will determine, then the defendant is acquitted. but that is the rule of law and that is something that remarkably, the former leader of
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this country has fought tooth and nail and has really run in a way that is an outlaw, saying i'm the anti-institution, anti-rule of law candidate. and the behavior this week, and the fact that we're going to have a hearing, as you pointed out on tuesday, about his repeated alleged violations of a gag order, and again, we're talking about someone who ran or government. who is the head of the justice department. so you have this enormous tension -- you have this enormous tension between a system of government, of democracy, and somebody who is trying to leave the government again but is completely about breaking it all down. to me, that is just this remarkable thing that is going on just steps away from where we all are. >> yeah. and professor murray, i mentioned that we have some clues about what will be said.
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but in a trial it has to be presented into evidence and it is narrower than what the public has heard and the news viewers know because they're extra informed. and we've talked to additional people as well. two of the lawyers who represented some of the women in this case had spoken to us about what is the evidence of potential criminal intent that this wasn't just, quote/unquote, just a private matter. because of the election scheme. take a look at that. >> well i'm not so sure if it was -- if i was aware of it at the time that it was their intent to bury the story, but i think they had clearly announced their editorial preferential candidate. >> was the "national enquirer" acting as the arm of donald trump and michael cohen, and is there something wrong with that? >> we strongly suspect they were. >> and this is five years back
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now. and even earlier. how do you think the d.a.'s team will present that kind of evidence to the jury without it getting too complicated about how elections work and why it is not fair to have people have off the books payments. >> it is a really great question. it goes to the heart of why this is not just a tawdry, salacious matter about the payment of money to keep an extramarital affair from your wife and voting public, but it could conscript into service members of the media. when you think of the "national enquirer," but many people get their news from there and it has tremendous reach so that part is really interesting. it is also notable that during jury selection, the prosecution asked prospective jurors if they could understand the difference between the hitman who you hire to kill someone and the person who has orchestrated it. drawing a distinction, there may
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be individuals pulling the strings who don't do the bad act but they are nonetheless, straighting the bad act and we should understand them as culpable. i think that is critically important here for the prosecution because i think donald trump defense here is going to be, i didn't pay off anybody. michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go, the less likely they were physically carrying out a battery or a violence or a murder. and yet you bring those cases nonetheless. sometimes the most important
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it's on. defendant trump faces a full jury as of today. this is the end of the first week of the trial and a lot happened. it went faster than many thought. the judge kept this quick pace. we have a full jury who will decide donald trump's fate in this case. we have a very special guest tonight. a lawyer who is represented donald trump himself before the doj and the jack smith high-profile cases and he's going to join me in just a moment. a little context, looking at both sides of the case. andrew weissmann will be here to rebut. but the d.a. bragg's case relied on a particular new york statute and the effort here, as i've menged to you before, but we're going to get into it, it-s to take a lower crime, a misdemeanor charge and make it a felony because, as the d.a. explained, there was more to it. >> less than two weeks before the presidential election,
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michael cohen wired $130,000 to stormy daniels's lawyer. that payment was to hide damaging information from the voting public. the scheme violated new york election law. >> election law, and possibly tax law, more than one law, which is basically why the d.a. is saying this becoming a cover-up felony rather than just a misdemeanor. and that means prosecutors will have to prove more than just the underlying business fraud. they'll have to prove that he intended to conceal another crime. that is what will make it the felony. and without a felony, you wouldn't even have this trial. you would have something to a business parking ticket type situation. bragg said he could use tax law and penal law or federal campaign finance law, that is a key part of the indictment. we're going to keep showing that to you because that is where we are headed in this trial. and some legal experts say this is where the trump defense team could make some hay.
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the d.a. could have an uphill battle. not whether there was a lie, the business lie has been proven on paper. but whether there was this larger felony. they could argue for example that the d.a. has overreached and they could try to get the judge or the jury to look at this as something that shouldn't have gotten to this level. and there are ways for example, and we haven't gotten there yet, but they could legally try to get none instruction to the jury, to say, maybe you just want to hit him on that misdemeanor, the business stuff and end this whole thing. they could try to argue that trump wasn't in the loop. that michael cohen went rogue. we've heard that a lot. there is a lot of unknowns. but again, the way we learn about this is through the entire record and both sides of the case so i'm very happy to say that we're joined by tim parlatory. he was on the high-profile january 6 case defense and the
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classified documents investigation. he also made some of his own headlines when he left that case and is now one of the people who has worked recently as a donald trump defense lawyer and thus very in demand and we try to understand what current donald trump defense lawyers will be doing next week at trial. thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you think of those defenses that i just mentioned, walk us through from your experience how that might work at trial? >> yeah, i think that there are two main structural weaknesses to the prosecution's case. one is exactly what you mentioned, about trying to connect it to a target offense. and then the other weakness is to show his knowledge of the actual entry. a lot of this stuff, the payment to stormy daniels and all of the national enquirer, that is atmospherics but he's been charged with the payments to
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michael cohen and how those were entered into the books. even though he's signing these checks, the question is how much does he know about how the accountant is ano tating them, as legal fee, as opposed to payment of hush money or blackmail money or whatever you want to call it. and, so, you have to first get to his knowledge of, as the ceo of a major corporation that is making payments like this all of the time, is that something he even knows what he's doing. and then when you then try to connect it to that target offense, one of the interesting things here is bragg has not -- well he said it could be any number of things. >> which law. let me slow you down. we'll get to that. >> yeah. >> right. we'll get to that. you made two points. let's deal with your first point. one defense is just the lawyers on behalf of the defendant saying, hey, how are you going to prove that he was in on this notation. i have a little bit of sound
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briefly recently defendant trump making that point. take a look. >> i was paying a lawyer. and it was a legal expense, an accountant, i didn't know, mark it down as a legal expense. that is exactly what it was. and you get indicted over that. >> so to finish this point, in your experience, working for him as a client, does he get that kind of argument from the lawyers and his understanding that this is going to be useful in the case, or is he pushing that argument on the lawyers? >> well i think it is consistent with what the evidence here is. because they have an invoice from michael cohen asking to be paid that. so, when you have michael cohen giving an invoice saying it is for legal fees, it is then paid as legal fees and it is annotated as legal fees, it would make sense that is exactly what he's going to claim. >> so how do you deal with on this topic, the tape?
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>> which tape? there is -- >> the cohen tape where he said, hey, we're going to pay it off? >> michael cohen, you know, he has given so many different stories on this. when he was initially raided by the feds, he went and told his lawyer that this was something that he did without donald trump's knowledge whatsoever. and said that he did it that way because he wanted to hide it so that melania wouldn't find out about it. so, it is one of those things where you have to go with how many different stories does michael cohen say and how much could you really believe him. >> yeah, we have something on that for your explanation. because i'm curious how i think they're going to use that as trial. but while many people politically in america, thought, wow, this guy michael cohen has turned it around and become such an informed and strong critic of donald trump, as you know, tim,
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this ain't political and about whether other people like his criticism. it is about that arc. so cohen could be a big star witness. he's believed to be preparing to testify. he's all but said that publicly. but he has been on both sides of things. take a look. >> i know mr. trump, i've stood by him, shoulder to shoulder for the past decade. >> donald cared for no one or anything other than himself. >> i'm obviously very loyal and very dedicated to mr. trump. >> i'm going to jail. >> i think he's going to be a great president. >> because of my decision to help mr. trump hide that payment. >> that is just some of the back and forth, i'm also curious if you think the lawyers will use any of what we're about to show and remind the audience, he did go to prison for charges reeve lating to deceiving the public and he has pled guilty to lying under oath. would they use this and how? >> oh, sure.
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i mean, you've just given right there a small snippet of what the cross-examination is going to be. when you attack the credibility of a witness, you take in all of their prior inconsistent statements. i mean, any lawyer cross-examining michael cohen could look like clarence daro just by looking at all of the different inconsistent statements as you just gave a brief explanation right there. so what i think is going to be key in this case, though, is whether the defense decides to call bob costello as a witness. because it was his attorney when he initially was raided and he gave -- he gave them several statements at that time, when he was suicidal -- >> a trump -- >> -- to avoid joil. >> a trump connected lawyer who has his own credibility issues including publicly releasing what would have been attorney/client privileged information but you're saying that that lawyer that represented cohen, you're saying that could be useful as trial,
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why? because he had that period of time and he would say this is the version of the story before the story changed again? >> he is able to give michael cohen's nonpublic story at the time, when he had the post motivation to poin the finger at donald trump, michael cohen signed a complete privilege waiver so he didn't release anything privileged and said this is the information that when the southern district of new york was investigating this case, they interviewed michael cohen, then they interviewed bob costello and they had michael cohen sign a privilege waiver and then based on the information that bob costello gave them, that is why the u.s. attorney's office decided not to bring this case because they knew they couldn't rely on the word of michael cohen. so even though -- >> well i have to jump in on this -- >> the determination is admissible, but the information is. >> and i would jump in, whether or not cohen waived that for the
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purposes of his cooperation with the government and i think most lawyers would say going out and talking about a former client and describing his mental anguish or potential alleged suicidal ideation is beyond the pail. and then two, it is a complex set of reasons why the sdny didn't go forward with the wider case. that is the simplest way i could put it. i want to put that nt owe the record. but i want to double back to what we said earlier because you raised something that we showed viewers, which is this theory of misdemeanor turns into felony based on some second crime and they gave several options on the menu. could be attacked. how would they attack that at trial on the defense side? >> well a lot of it depends on which theory alvin bragg is going to put in front of the jury. when it comes to whether this is election law, you could turn to the case of john edwards. this is been something that has been tried before. where hush money paid to keep an affair silent is something that
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can have multiple purposes. it could be for a married man who just doesn't want his wife to know. and so that is something that has been tried and failed before by prosecutors. and when you then abandon the election piece and you instead go for the tax piece, then you have to kind of really put in the what is the bright line between donald trump and his accountant. how many of these things were annotated by the accountant and how many of them did donald trump even know about that. he's running a major corporation. he's not personally keeping the books on every line item. >> yeah. tim, this is been reallying, especially given that you represented donald trump in those jack smith cases. we want to come to all of the sources that we can as we go over the next few weeks of the trial so i hope you'll come back, sir. >> sure. >> appreciate it. that is tim parlatory. andrew weissmann is on deck for the rebuttal.
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i was paying a lawyer. and i marked it down as an illegal expense. some accountant marked it down as a legal expense and that is exactly what it was and you get
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indicted over that. >> donald trump's busy ceo defense there, we're joined by andrew weissmann, the former senior prosecutor in the mueller probe and a former u.s. attorney who has prosecuted cases ranging from organizes crime to complex financial organizations. we just heard from a trump defense attorney and you wanted to rebut for starters that ceo argument. >> sure. so first, you know, i'm not here to carry the water for either side. i think i'm going to tell you what i think that you're going to hear. >> sure. >> from the prosecutors. because they're going to be aware in a case where you are going after somebody who is a senior official, it happens when you're going after enron executives, when you're going after a mob boss that we talked about, where people who are in those exhausted positions, whether it is an organized crime or in a large company, say i didn't really know what these minions were doing. who knows what they were doing and what paperwork they were filled out. that is way beneath me.
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that is sort of a standard argument that you have to be prepared for if you are a prosecutor when you're bringing a case against people who are not doing the dirty work themselves. and so, i think here, one of the things that you're going to hear about, is first, donald trump's management style. we're not talking about a person who is running exxon, who had hundreds of thousands of people working for him. this is a small family business with somebody who is, i think by all accounts, very hands on and very focused on the details. but also he wrote the checks. so you're going to see checks that he signed and i think that in itself is going to be very compelling evidence, because he reimbursed michael cohen for the hush money payments is what you're going to hear. but it wasn't on a one to one basis. because they had to say, oh, these are legal fees, that meant that michael cohen was going to have to pay taxes on them so instead of reimbursing michael
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cohen $130,000, he had to true up the amount so that michael cohen would actually get the full $130,000. you wouldn't need to do that if these were actually legal fees. this is not how this would work. so, and as you pointed out, there are a lot of prior inconsistent statements and you'll hear from the prosecution about, look, if this was an innocent scheme, why is his story changing so much over time. >> yeah. >> so i think those are all of the kinds of things you'll hear to undermine an exalted ceo, i didn't know what david pecker and michael cohen were doing at the ground level. >> what about this defense that the d.a.'s office is stretching a misdemeanor and they haven't even picked one aggravating crime. >> i think tim is right. they're going to focus on the
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weaknesses of each of the three theories that you laid out. it is important for people to know, though, that they can present, that is the prosecution, could present all three theories to the jury and that happens all of the time. like when i bring a rico case as a prosecutor, there are a whole list of what are called predicate acts and the jury is told, you only have to find two. so you could present 50 and say, you know what, we think can he could prove all 50, but in order to convict, you only need to prove two. and find that there are two. here, what the jury will be told, is there are three different ways in which this becomes a felony. you are only need to find one. and so let's just take the tax one as we just talked about. if you're paying more money than you need to, to reimburse michael cohen, that was because they were going to need to be taxed paid an that is because the taxes were going to say this
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is legal fees, not just reimbursement. if it's just reimbursement, there is a different tax strategy. you don't pay taxes on that because that is not income to michael cohen. that is just reimbursement. and i would say, with respect to the argument that paying off a porn star or is legal fees, the clip that you just played, as i used to say when defense lawyers came into my office and said i want to make that argument, i said good luck with the jury. go make that argument to a jury. let's see if they think that. >> right. and that -- and we talked about the ways they've been vetted for nairness. but that goes to what we've discussed about, when lawyers are in a good place and they could say that. and i'm running over and it is friday night in america and it is busy and people on the east coast are getting ready for dinner so i don't know that
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he's also demanding other campaigns use basically be careful how they use his name or give him a cut of money they raise. that's unusual in politics but shows again his need to try to get anyone donating money for trump to get that money to him, which he will then pass off to lawyers and other legal fees. trump and his campaign don't have many other ways they can get around this. earlier this week after leaving court, he did try to campaign in new york city, which is of course a place where he's never come close to winning the city or the state. but he did a kind of campaign stop at a harlem bodega. meanwhile, over at fox, there are concerns about the timing, again, timing caused by the defendant. but they do admit the political reality, which is on more than one level, this is turning out to be bad for candidate trump. >> every campaign stop is crucial. donald trump was not able to campaign today. >> if you think this is bad, in april, can you imagine a case in
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