into this kind of a rule that you want people to walk away looking at the kind of ways we deal with justice and the way we deal with the reality rather than just scapegoating, as you said. it was about gangs. is that why you decided to play this role? >> certainly. and i thought it was really clever and important that the show runner and the creator of the series, they decided to bring -- my character is entirely fictionalized. i knew there was a space there and the way she was created and was built to have those conversations. >> that is all we have time for today. we will be right back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. stay tuned for the "the weekend." next. next.

good morning. it is saturday, april 20th. i'm alicia menendez in new york. i had, opening statements are set to begin monday and the donald trump first criminal trial. there are growing concerns over juror intimidation. congressman is here. and foreign aid bills are hours away. what it means for speaker johnson patients gaveled back home. and new details on the intense situation in the middle east. israel patients latest strike against iran. get your coffee and settle in. welcome to "the weekend." . a critical the on capitol hill as congress steps up for our allies overseas. in the next hour, debate is set to begin in the house on a long- delayed foreign aid package.

separate bills this afternoon to support ukraine, israel and taiwan. the package also includes humanitarian relief for gaza. to get these bills across the finish line, speaker mike johnson must rely on democrats. and fact, might also need the support of democrats to keep his job. three gop house numbers are pushing a motion to vacate which would force a vote on removing johnson as speaker. joining us now, congresswoman pramila jayapal, chair of the congressional caucus. >> good morning. >> did you expect to be here this saturday? >> i didn't. i had plans but here a.m. >> how you think the vote will play out today? >> how do you think it will pass and how will you vote on the separate bills? >> i'm so happy we will be able to vote on the ukraine aid bill that is a stand-alone

bill. it will passably with every democrat voting for it. it is important aid. and i think there will be some republicans that vote for it. how many? i don't know. i think all the bills will pass. on the israel aid bill, i think you will see a good contingents of us that are voting no. i will vote no on the bill because it does not include any conditions at all on aid to the netanyahu government. it does not differentiate between offense of aid and defensive aid. many of us that vote no on the bill have consistently supported iron dome funding and other defensive aid for israel. we cannot continue to watch the carnage that is happening in gaza and have united states military assistance be part of the carnage. for me and many of us voting no, this is sort of in iraq war

moment. a moment where i think the public is not with us. and during the iraq war, the first vote, when there were 132 plus democrats voting against going into iraq at the time, this is a situation where we don't even have the public with us. and we have not seen the kind of restrictions from the white house and from the administration. whatever happens after this, this is the first time congress will be voting on offensive aid to israel and to the netanyahu government, who has been callous about the lives of children in gaza, women in gaza and innocent civilians, death and destruction and famine and has taken hold of northern gaza. it is not something i believe we can be party to. >> councilwoman, a couple of points on the difference between the ukraine and israel

peace. for a lot of folks, they have tried to see this as a joint package. in terms of supporting ukraine, given what russia is doing there and in terms of supporting israel and given what hamas is doing there. how do members of the progressive caucus peel off that particular piece, specifically given everything we know on the ground? the second part of it would be, if joe biden came out and said, called for a cease-fire which i think is one of the big issues for members of the caucus, what would you expect netanyahu to do? if he didn't do it, would you hold the president accountable for netanyahu not doing that thing? >> the president has called for a cease-fire. he recently did that.

he also said he would consider conditioning aid and he tied it at that time to if israel -- if the netanyahu government would go into rafah. the fact is that there are strikes in rafah but there has not been a full-scale invasion. i think this is something we are, you have to remember that we are the largest backer of aid to israel, the united states. other than israel itself. we will be there for the defensive aid. that is the iron dome. that is if iran or hezbollah are going to launch strikes. just like you saw. i appreciated and applauded the president working with the global community to make sure to repel the attack from iran. what we cannot do is allow netanyahu to continue to drag us into what he has done in gaza. and frankly, for the security and peace, safety of the israeli people and the palestinian people, the quickest way to get to anything

that will assure peace and safety for both is to stop the war on gaza and to bring home the hostages and get humanitarian assistance in and that creates the space to think about what a long-term permanent solution is. i think the president does have the responsibility at this point to change the calculus for netanyahu. right now there is no reason for netanyahu to change his behavior. he is getting all this aid. he would not be able to wage this war on gaza without the united states. >> let's talk about the ukraine piece of this specifically and the stakes at this point. politico reporting this week that the intelligence shown to lawmakers last week described by two members who have seen it, built on weeks of reports that have alarmed members of congress. on thursday, cia director william burns warned that barring more u.s. aid in ukraine could lose on the battlefield to the end of 24.

is apparently that intelligence that finally motivated speaker johnson to action. you think there is the possibility that the aide passes and we look back at this moment with 2020 vision and say, by the time they did this, it was already too late? >> i think it is a very serious question. the reality is, republicans have refused to believe intelligence reports. republicans have refused to bring the aid package to the floor. as you remember. and they brought in israel aid package without the ukraine aid package. that is why democrats at that time said no. we need to have ukraine aid package. and that i think is an important moment. it absolutely will pass. i would be enthusiastically supporting the ukraine aid bill. and every democrat i think will. i would say that this sort of goes to your question earlier. also to yours, alicia, that we had timothy snyder --

rochon a asked him a really important question about this. he said that it was a mistake to link the two. they are two different situations. linking the two may have delayed and made it harder to get that ukraine aid across the finish line. i think that may be at that time, it seemed like a good idea. we have seen that we have had full democratic support. we just needed a handful of republicans who weren't willing to come along to get the ukraine aid to the floor. let's get it out there. in the bill, there is a provision that allows it to go in an expedited fashion to ukraine because we all understand that stopping putin's march across europe and the destruction that would cause with his dictatorship is very critical, not just ukraine

but to the entire world. >> i want to play for folks about speaker jeffries -- the way democrats are carrying this legislation over the line, democratic leader jeffries, during his weekly address, had this to say about the negotiations and these aid packages. take a listen. >> we still have to get the national security bills over the finish line. in that statement, that is what we made clear. we have to do the business of the american people. we have been waiting for months unnecessarily because of gamesmanship and partisanship on the other side of the aisle. >> we have been waiting for months. ukraine has been waiting for months. i was struck by the politico piece that alicia noted about how the intelligence on the

brief ring from cia director burns change the mind of a number of workers. one speaker johnson gave his remarks, he talked about the fact that his son is enrolling in the naval academy this fall and this is a live situation and we don't want to be in a position where we have to send our american sons and daughters who why is that what it took. it has been a dire situation in ukraine for months. this has been the intelligence for months. what is so different? >> it is because donald trump doesn't want the aide to go through. marjorie taylor gray did not want the aide to go through. they acted like intelligence wasn't real. i think we should call on speaker jeffries. if you look at every single consequential thing that government has had to do from the debt ceiling going back to the mccarthy days to now the

appropriations bill, this aid package. it has been democrats and our leader jeffries, who has made it possible for the government to move forward. and i think that is a complicated dynamic in terms of the fact that this is a republican speaker who does many things that you and i, all of us don't agree with. this is an antiabortion, anti- immigrant and anti- lgbtq, antidemocracy speaker who just went down and kiss the ring of donald trump and talked about election integrity when we know that everything donald trump is about is taking away election integrity. but he is doing the right thing on this issue. and i think leader hakeem jeffries, for all intents and purposes, is the speaker for any consequential bill because it is democrats that are going to provide the votes today to get ukraine across the table. >> michael.

>> i'm not arguing because that is what it looks like. or at least that is what it is in the course of things. howard democrats assessing so that the politics of this moment, where you conceivably, unlike with kevin mccarthy, do find interest among some democrats to save the speaker for purposes of like what we just talked about. these things. it there won't be a lot of that on the agenda after this. and then becomes, careful what you wish for kind of bargain. speaker johnson is still going to be a part of the republican caucus, freedom caucus member, et cetera. he will be bringing stuff on that and a lot of folks might be looking at democrats going,

i kept is going. if i'm in the democrat's position, it is not a position i would want to take. i didn't put the noose around his neck so why are you asking me to take it off kind of deal. how are you assessing that and said the caucus? >> we haven't engaged in that conversation in full. it is a process question and it has not come up yet. and i have said directly to leader jeffries and i know he is thinking carefully about this and he will be the one to make the decision, but i have said, we cannot just save the speaker without getting something really substantial for it. and in my mind, it should be that if essentially hakeem jeffries will function as the shadows speaker, then we move the big bills where there is bipartisan agreement but we do not bring to the floor the things that republicans are trying to use to win the election in november. we should not allow that to happen. if they need our votes for these consequential bills, then we need some sort of an

agreement about what we are getting for that. this is an unprecedented situation. under the republicans, michael, seven rules have failed. i think it was four other under mccarthy and three under johnson. seven rules have failed. and if you look at even last night, many of us were in deep confusion. we never vote for republican rules. there have been instances where the leadership decides that if you democrats are needed to get a rule across the line under this chaos on the republican majority. but this was a situation where i think it was very confusing. we did want the aid package to move forward and progressives in particular had fought to separate them so that we can vote our conscience and a very important moral vote on the aide to netanyahu and the aide to ukraine. so progressives were successful

were working with leader jeffries and of course it might be beneficial for republicans too. they don't want to vote for the ukraine aid package but they do want to vote for the israel package. i think, we will follow leader jeffries. we should be very thoughtful and careful. otherwise, if we save the speaker without anything to show for it, we may be contributing to our space saying, you are the ones that allowed him to continue to be speaker and now he is bringing all these terrible things to the floor about winning the election in november. >> let's stay on that theme about winning elections, the congressional caucus this week released a list of progressive agenda items which include a 17- dollar an hour minimum wage by 2028 capping childcare cost at 7%. families extending social media -- . i have heard members of the caucus say that this is

about a statement of priorities. that is the value of an agenda. what do you say to members of the progressive side that say that a statement of priorities is not enough? >> you see a big smile on my face because i love talking about our proposition agenda. so many times in politics, we spent time talking about what we are against. here is a clear set of things that we are for. this was voted on by 103 members of the progressive caucus. a super majority participated. i think it was almost 95, 97% that approved the agenda. this has a lot of buy-in from inside and also outside groups. things on this are popular, populist and as much as we love certain things that we don't think are possible, some of

those things aren't on there. we are talking about stopping the privatization of medicare and expanding medicare benefits to include dental, vision and hearing. my signature bill of medicare for all is not on there because we know that under this president and the situation we are in, we probably can't achieve it. the things on this agenda are achievable and we can go to people and say, look how much we did. we didn't get everything done. but this is the next thing on the page. progressives with build back better, the universal childcare, that investment in housing, a huge issue. the comprehensive immigration reform. some advancing justice components of this. these were all things teed up by almost the entirety of the democratic caucus with the exception of a couple of senators, democratic senators. that is part of the reason it didn't pass because of the filibuster. you will see in the agenda that one of the things we tackle is making democracy work which means not just changing the rulers but changing the rules. we have to get rid of that

filibuster so that we can pass voting rights rights, so we can codify abortion rights and those critical issues. i believe this is possible and it is what will motivate the base to actually fight for something, be a party a proposition and not just a party of opposition. >> that is a debate that you and i can have. >> lucky you, michael steele. we want to talk about donald trump's criminal trial and hell media is having a real world impact on a. this is "the weekend" on msnbc. ♪ music ♪ ♪ unnecessary action hero! ♪ ♪ unnecessary. ♪ was that necessary? no. neither is missing your daughter's competition to do payroll. with paycom, employees do their own payroll so you don't have to miss your daughter's big day.

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before the jury hears opening statements and donald trump's first criminal trial, trump and his allies are working overtime to sold out in the process. box host jessie waters says the jury can be trusted revealing key information about some jurors in the process. on thursday, one of the selected jurors asked to be excused after loved ones figured out she had been selected and of course trump continues to attack the judge on social media. prosecutors say trump has repeatedly violated his gag order. the judge has a hearing on that scheduled for tuesday.

>> back with us, congresswoman pramila jayapal. >> as a member of the judiciary, what is your biggest concern going into the week? >> i think my biggest concern is that in some way, donald trump's allies will try to use this trial to bring fury across the country. i would say that that has not been the case so far. donald trump looks weak in this tutorial. he is sitting in there and he is not used to being disciplined by the judge. meanwhile, joe biden is on the campaign trail and doing events everywhere and trump is having to go through this trial with a set of jurors who will be interesting to watch. they are clearly people who had to go through a rigorous process to stay on the jury panel. i think this is a moment where the country can continue to see the ways in which donald trump

has lied and has done things that nobody would expect of the president. and let's not forget, 91 felony counts for this man and i think we are all watching, having gone through the impeachment trial in the judiciary committee. >> i want to focus on little jesse watters. he is being a pathetic little tool right now as far as i'm concerned. what he is doing by calling out the use jurors and pining on how they will acquit donald trump based on this. you have jesse watters sowing doubt and trying to keep the narrative going. in the second juror jesse watters described was a nurse from the upper east side with a masters degree. she is not married, has no kids and lives with her fianci who works in finance and chuckling

for some reason. why would you chocolate that? we know. what does this say about the forces trying to undermine a very important aspect of our judicial process which is, citizens sitting as a jury, observing the facts as they are presented and assessing that and then you have someone like jesse watters forecasting and literally trying to bring up crap. there is a reason the judge made sure these jurors are not known and there is a reason why, as we have seen or talked about, certain jurors are like, i don't want to be part of this. i don't want to be threatened and i don't want to deal with it. how do we deal with that part

of this? >> this is the scary part. being a member of congress who decided to move my house because people came to my house with a gun. we watched would have been january 6. we watch the former president inside and insurrection. i think this is the thing the countries in the middle of. those jurors should all have protection immediately. there was no reason why they shouldn't all have immediate protection. i don't trust the political situation we are in and i don't know how we as the media to be responsible about talking about this because we have a whole part of the media, not the station but a whole part of the media that is designed to lift up this kind of violence and intimidation and to undermine the judiciary. this is really what i was saying to alicia about my biggest fear about this. this turns into another opportunity for the maga extremist republicans to continue to generate

brutality, violence and nastiness against these jurors who are just doing their civic duty. >> by the way, you have no idea how this jury is going to rule, jesse watters. so shut the hell up and let it rest. >> you let them have it. >> is insane. jesse watters and donald trump, they know what they are doing and john and i were talking about this the other day. why are people saying there is no way donald trump will have consequences? trump said because people are scared. the new york times wrote about a. jurors are risking their safety and privacy to sit in judgment of a former commander- in-chief that is now a fellow citizen. a heavy responsibility that could unnerve even the most seen it all new yorkers. take a step back. people are putting their family's lives on the line. we don't know their names. but lawyers do.

and i believe that it would be out of possibility that trump is aware of who some of these people are. >> and somehow it finds its way into the public which would be terrible. i go back to the responsibility of congress here because, had the senate actually gone through with the impeachment of donald trump, we would not be in the situation. i remember mitch mcconnell giving a speech that sounded like he would vote for convicting but he didn't and he made a lot of arguments that made no sense given what had been laid out in the impeachment trial and it is the thing that worries me and upsets me the most about the situation that we are in. we have to have accountability work. if there isn't accountability for what donald trump did on many levels and

generally six, and this trial in every possible way, that would send a message to americans about what is okay in this country and what you can get away with. >> what is acceptable. >> and what you insight. let's be clear. donald trump has been using all these trials trying to incite further violence, further undermining of democracy. many of the cases against him are serious. every case against him is serious about what exactly it is that he did as president and what he has in continuing to do. >> congresswoman, thank you so much for being here we appreciate your time. at the top of the hour, we will break down what you can expect for monday's opening statements with a new york times investigative reporter

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i thought it was interesting when i asked representative pramila jayapal about this coming week, she was quick to draw ties between the president and former president. it made me think of this in politico. quote most democrats have been holding back from attacking trump over the trials specifically. while they understand why the president and his aides are hoping to stay far away from the cases, they are worried immediate approach amounts to a real gamble with such a close race." i wonder what you both think of that strategy. >> first of all, unless the most democrats work for the president's campaign or work in the white house, why can't they attack trump or talk about trump and his trials?

and it is not attacking. i think it is just talking about the facts. it is unfortunate the facts are that the republican nominee for president is sitting in a courtroom every day because he can't stay out of trouble for alleged criminal acts that we can see written down on paper. i don't blame the biden campaign for not talking about a. if i was advising that campaign, i would be like no. this is not something you need to hear from joe biden about. the moment he opens his mouth about this, you have nothing he said about the economy and folks will hear nothing he said about israel or humanitarian needs in gaza. all they would play is the sound he said about trump. so where the democrats that? >> that is the question. biden is smart. he doesn't need to draw himself into the line of fire with trump. trump is the one on trial. trump's behavior is the reason trump is on trial. biden had nothing to do with

that. he is doing the smart thing. he is talking to families and workers out there while trump is doing his daily briefings trying to go after a juror or a judge. where are the democrats to be the political flank for the president, to give him the political cover he needs so that he can continue to be presidential on all these other issues that symone mentioned. i think he is doing it the right way. there is no incentive for him to do otherwise at this point. when he does, the press will be the problem. trump won't have to say anything because the press will immediately make it this political thing between him and trump and the messaging goes out the window. >> that is a good point. shout out to the members of congress frankly who are consistently going out there and talking about their agenda

and congresswoman pramila jayapal was here and another congresswoman coming at the end of the hour. we have members on tomorrow. members came last week. democrats are not shying away from getting on television and talking about their agenda. sometimes taking some arrows. where's the rest of the democratic party at? >> that is important. do you know why that is important? what you hear some among book -- public and members of the congress saying? what are we saying to the people in our districts? we are talking all this stuff about trials and trump stuff. we have no agenda that we can go back and say we have accomplished it in this congress. that is a very important contrast between what democratic house members are able to do and what republican house members are prepared to do. the marjorie taylor greenes don't care. they are all performative and they are all bs.

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correspondent matt bradley. what is the latest on this? >> symone, for the first time in a long time, the news out of the middle east is that there is not that much news. we are used to having so much tension and violence and there was so much expectation that there would be a region wide war because of the unprecedented tit-for-tat attacks between israel and iran. now more than 24 hours after the israeli counterattack against the iranians, there was the sound here in beirut of something like silence. a week ago, iran fired missiles at 300 projectiles at israel. and almost all of them were intercepted. that was direction to israel on april 1st striping -- striking a diplomatic mission killing some senior commanders. that set off a week of

diplomacy. and shooting missiles at the central iranian city. now, more than 24 hours into this, they are playing this down. and not much of a direct reaction from president biden. the only thing we really heard from the secretary of state is that the americans had nothing to do with this counterattack. >> all of this could change. and inside israel, they have said they want to see more. one of the top administrators of national security tweeted "feeble" after this attack. it sounds like there are some in israel they want to see more and there are some in iran that want to see israel pay for not only the attack but also for what they are doing in the gaza strip. we have seen masses of loss over the past six months. as it stands, this is a rare

moment. it looks as though both sides could be satisfied and could step away and i spoke with political analysts in beirut and they said the whole exchange which was very threatening and very dangerous and brought the entire region to the brink of war, particularly in places like lebanon and has blocked an iranian proxy groups very much in israeli crosshairs surrounding this. now it looks as though there is an opportunity for all sides to step back from the brink and i think everyone in the region hope they do. this analyst said these strikes, this tit-for-tat was mostly symbolic and called this a dance off. and now it looks as though the music may have stopped. but that could change at any time. >> nbc's matt bradley, thank you very much. president biden goes on offense for reproductive rights and is getting help from one of the women who has been most

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biden campaign. suing the state of texas earlier this year over its abortion ban. she was denied an abortion in august of 2022 and nearly died during a miscarriage. now the biden campaign asked her to bring her message to voters across the country. good morning, amanda. >> good morning and thank you for having me. >> i guess i want to start by asking, what made you get involved directly with the campaign? we so you testify and congress. you have been in washington d.c. a number of times making the case not only for yourself but other women throughout texas and across the country. why take the next step to be essentially a campaign surrogate on this issue? >> great question. certainly not what i thought i would be spending my time doing. i have been very vocal and very

active ever since this happened to me two years ago. when the opportunity came to work for the biden campaign and help reelect president biden and vice president harris, i jumped at the opportunity we have reached a critical point in the selection and in this country for reproductive rights. and biden and harris are fighting for us so hard and having the opportunity to support them and make sure they are reelected could not be more important to me right now. >> one of the interesting aspects of this discussion right now on abortion is certainly the political peace. the reality that has settled in for a lot of women across the country who may at one time have been very much on one side of the issue, very -- may be very pro-life and moved on the issue given the draconian efforts by some states like texas, arizona and elsewhere,

how are you beginning to assess not just the impact of your story, a very personal story and the real story that a lot of women and men can identify with but also you have these other stories emerging now. like the ap reporting emergency rooms refusing to treat pregnant women and leaving one to miscarry in a lobby restroom. how are these stories being woven together and admitted for a broader conversation of not just the personal impact but the real devastating impact that this has and could have for a lot of women across the country? >> it has been interesting. all the stories are so heartbreaking and difficult to hear. being out on the campaign trail and being able to meet folks across the country doing this work in fighting the fight has really opened my eyes to how

the conversation has changed and how people are more willing to talk about their experiences. people are being vocal and sharing what happened to them and often in difficult communities and in difficult situations. maybe with conservative family members or friends. but they are doing it because they see how important the election was and they are trying to open up the eyes of their fellow community members to the reality of these laws to ensure that -- it is so important across the country. >> there will be a denouncement of the abortion ban. other efforts to restrict abortion access across the country. those details were first shared with nbc news. you are a texas girl in wisconsin and you told the people you are sitting down with in wisconsin that you have something in common. what is that? >> i'm a fellow midwesterner. i grew up in indiana. i talked to a lot of women

there who are having these conversations and really difficult scenarios. really conservative communities. i grew up in a conservative community. i understand these conversations are difficult to have. but it is critical. it is the most critical thing this year. we have heard this time and again and i believe it. this is the most important election of our lives. >> the other aspect of this, what i'm finding to be very fascinating now is to listen to how some republicans who were very strident in their staunch regard -- staunch notes regarding abortion, you have folks like kari lake and others doing the backstroke away from positions that they held on to very firmly come up to and including the dobbs decision. how do you personally assess this level of flip-flopping? and what steps can be done to make sure people know where

these individuals stood and have stood for a long time? now seemingly are saying, i never said that. i never thought that. from donald trump to kari lake to others. >> i think they have shown us who they are. i think there track records speak for themselves. we know donald trump and his allies will institute a national abortion ban. we know they are trying to restrict access to medication abortion and we know ivf is on the table and we know contraception is on the table. they have told us this time and time again and we should believe them. meanwhile, president biden's track record speaks for itself. he has fought staunchly for us and will continue to do so until we restore the productions of roe v wade. it is very obvious. look at what either camp has done and that is all you need to know. >> amanda, i have been struck by the sheer ignorance of lawmakers across the country and even some in congress.

lawmakers across the country needs state legislators who -- overwhelmingly men who don't understand that this care is in fact healthcare. the stories michael talked about in the ap story, that is happening to women all over the country. something similar happened to you. the doctor told you what kind of care you needed. but the state wouldn't allow you to get it and these lawmakers just -- i don't know if the men missed that part in class. what do you say to the state legislators, elected officials, people in power across the country who say these are just irresponsible women or that they should have their babies and give them up for adoption or some lawmakers say, this is just the lord patients will what do you say to those folks?

>> the hypocrisy and ignorance is almost remarkable. lawmakers in my own state are doing the same thing where they are being asked questions about whether ivf is protected or whether contraception will be protected and they can't answer the question because they have never been through it. this is not something they have any expertise on. they don't know what they are talking about. and frankly, they should be the ones making healthcare decisions decisions for me and my family because they don't know what they are talking about. >> thank you for your time this morning and thank you for your voice for so many women across the country. you spoke out and i think your courage to speak out encourages other women to do the same. thank you so much. >> stay with us. we have another jampacked hour of the weekend straight ahead. we will be joined by the new york times, suzanne craig and former prosecutor charles

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