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conversations you might have missed. >> i think ronald reagan would be shaking his head right now if he saw what was happening in the state of arizona. >> oh my gosh. >> where you actually had republicans going back to 1864, for a ban that actually allows, well, forces young rape victims and young incest victims from phoenix, from maricopa county, if they are raped by an uncle, or raped by -- like in the ohio case, an illegal immigrant, there will be -- the state will have a forced birth for that ten-year-old or eleven-year-old or 12-year-old. it is happening. it happens across america and this is what the republicans in arizona are forcing on their people. >> yeah. >> on their women, on their

children. >> makes sense, since the guy that came up with the law raped children, forced them to have his children. arizona, you have done it again. for the second time in two weeks, republicans and arizona state legislature rejected and attempted to repeal a near total abortion ban from 1864. >> people running into a burning house, and say hey, we got an exit. you can run out the back door and not be engulfed in flames and come with us. >> you can save all these women. >> new york city we're fine. we're going to keep them in the house. let it burn down. we're totally cool. go out the back door. the second time now, that democrats have tried to save republicans from their own worst 1864 instincts. what do they do? nope, we're good. we want to stick with the 1864 law. >> yeah, i mean, even if you hold the reprehensible view that someone who is raped must

deliver the baby because you said so, do it for the politics. how about that? do it for political reasons that most people in your state think this is appalling and yet, you're standing by it. in fact, only two republicans joined all of the democrats in the house chamber in arizona on the vote to repeal the civil war era ban. house republicans later voted to adjourn until next week. they did this last week as well. leaving a path for repeal of this bill unclear. democrats in the state house blasted their republican colleagues. >> the message for today is clear. arizona republicans voted not once, but twice to uphold the 1864 abortion ban that includes absolutely no exceptions for rape and no exceptions for incest. our voices may not have been heard today, but let us be clear. we will be heard in november. >> so the republicans in arizona keep running back this play book. they did it last week, where

they didn't want to take a vote on it. they will dismiss themselves. adjourn for a week and do what? i don't know. they came back after a week and did the same thing all over again. again, only two republicans in the arizona house voted to repeal a law that would force a woman who was raped or a victim of incest to deliver the baby. >> if democrats are being political, they could have voted against it, too. they could have said, republicans made this mess, let them deal with it. or pass something on the state ballot initiative and not give them a lifeline. i have two take aways from this. one is just how destructive donald trump's presidency has been, right? just how destructive this has been for women. and when republicans are in charge, they will take the most extreme position when it comes to, you know, women's rights on the state level. and you know, trump, you know, he is trying to say that he said, arizona will return this. well, they didn't. right? you leave it to the states. we left it to the states.

he may be trying to moderate his position, but he has already done the most extreme thing. he took away the fundamental rights that women have. and brags about it. he said it was incredible. he said it was amazing. people were happy. one of the state representatives that was part of this debate yesterday, a republican said, talked about how pregnancies don't have to be picture perfect. meaning, you know, suggesting that it's okay if pregnancies come about by rapes or incest. you don't have to be picture perfect for a woman need to have that child. >> the hypocrisy of that, they say that generally, if it comes into their own home, if it happens in their own home. if their ten-year-old daughter were raped by an illegal immigrant, they would be the first to say, we'll take care of that. they would be the first. the hypocrisy is staggering. charlie siecks, jen is right. donald trump has been just absolutely terrible and

destructive for the rights of women, for the rights of rape victims, for the rights of incest victims. and you move it to politics, so destructive. we've said this before, because we are really kind people and we're trying to help republicans. we're trying to help them find their way back to where they can actually win an election once in awhile. they just won't listen. they just keep losing. and you live in a state where this is, again, i think it's one of the great examples. we talk about kansas and kentucky for good reason. i keep going back to that wisconsin supreme court election. that should have been a slug fest. and instead, it was a wipeout. why? because they were clinging to a 150-year-old abortion ban. and it cost them the supreme court in wisconsin. they don't care. >> yeah. well, it did. you saw this in one state after

another. the politics are absolutely fascinating. you have donald trump, who last week thought he was going to neutralize this issue. throws the pro life movement under the bus. even though he is responsible for roe versus wade overturned. flip-flops on the issue. and as you point out, in arizona, they have a law on the books that probably has the support of less than 10% of the electorate. they have an easy way out and they have chosen not to do it. so you see this dynamic here, where at the very moment that republicans are saying hey, can we moderate our position on this? is there some sort of an offramp? the arizona republican party is basically saying no, we're completely comfortable with this, even though it's probably going to cost them the control of the legislature, may cost them the u.s. senate seat. and probably is going to tip arizona over in the presidential election. but this is one of the -- again, part of what makes this fascinating is kind of the

trick box that donald trump has put republicans in, where he says, okay, you know, i am the pro life president. we have over turned roe v. wade, but it's completely up to the states. states rights, except look what the states are doing. so, while he is trying to sound moderate, he owns every one of these extreme laws and republicans are not backing off. but an amazing scene yesterday in arizona. >> unbelievable. >> i just don't understand why the women of arizona are going to have to go through the process of showing politicians what these abortion bans will mean to their lives. you mention relationship victims, incest victims. people with fetal abnormalities. that's a lot of people. but, women who just want regular healthcare, who might need a dnc, who might need an abortion-like procedure won't get them. it's going to have an incredible impact on women and families across the state of

arizona. if this ban stays in effect, as extreme as it is. >> we're still waiting to see. we're still concerned. clarence thomas, of course, in overturning roe v. wade wrote in a concurring opinion that we have to look at not only things like same-sex marriage, also the right to contraception. >> right. >> and you have ivf in alabama. the senate and washington, the u.s. senate, republicans are blocking an attempt to make ivf protected. so, again, this is impacting women's healthcare and for women who consider themselves to be pro life, who miscarry, and yeah, it's really terrible. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story.

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what business did joe biden own? did they have hotels? did they have a social media company? did they have golf courses? do they have casinos? what business -- did they have -- >> we spent tens of millions of dollars of you pursuing joe biden and you have not identified a single crime. >> you are lying. that's a lie. we have not spent $10 million. >> how much have you spent? >> we haven't spent hardly anything. >> it's been for free, okay. in any event, you know what? we get what we paid for. you got nothing. you have nothing on joe biden. >> no, no. answer this question. >> no, you -- >> what did the biden's do? >> i would like to ask you a question. >> no, what did the biden's do? >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> we'll let the record show that he could not answer the

question. >> first of all -- >> let me start with this. my last name is raskin, okay? you don't have to add the s. i would like my time resorted. you what is the crime you want to impeach joe biden for and keep this nonsense going? why? what is the crime? tell america right now. >> you're about to find out very soon. >> what is the crime? >> you're about to find out very soon. >> the chair recognizes -- >> it got so bad, he couldn't answer the question. name the crime. it got so bad, if we turn the mike up, you heard arnold the pig, who is comber's legal counsel. >> said i'm going home. he just left. it was so embarrassing. i mean, first of all, it's such a stupid question.

what do the biden's do? listen. they are talking about, what are they talking about? a couple million dollars here, right? they never talked about the $2 billion that jared got from the saudis. never. never talked about that before. he's never been in investment before. he got $2 billion from the saudis. and listen, it's not illegal. okay, so it's not illegal. he did it. and that's fine. what hunter biden did, we've seen, is not illegal. they can't find the crime. and his whole, you're going to learn in the future, is crazy. again, the fact that they keep drumming this up. they keep making fools of themselves, even fox news and other right wing pro trump outlets are saying stop. you're making a fool of yourself. doesn't stop him from doing it.

again, $2 trillion for the trump family, $3 million divided like i don't know how many ways. biden didn't get the $3 million. versus $2 billion. i mean, it's crazy that they are still dragging this out and comber is still okay with making a fool of himself because he can't name a single crime. it's just like mayorkas. no crime, high crime. no misdemeanor. no impeachment. it was all just political garbage. and that's the same thing here. political garbage, because they got nothing, and every time they try to confront hunter biden, he makes a fool of him. >> yeah, and comber and his committee are in so deep now, it's like they can't humiliate themselves by conceding they have nothing, which is the case. in fact, he's been saying for months and months and months,

no fire yet, but an awful lot of smoke. which is a different version of what he said. chris matthews, there's this, the biden crime family, to bring in the president of the united states for whatever hunter biden may have done. remember, star witnesses in this, we can remind our viewers, have all to a man been exposed as frauds, $5 million bribe we heard so much, the guy admitted he was lying about that. one of their other star witnesses previously is now a fugitive on the run. you can go down the list. there's nothing here and james comer admits as much. >> you know, this is all tied in with culture and lying. you know, i went out to western pennsylvania this week. i went out to fulton county. the most republican county in the state. it's 85% republican in the last couple elections. and adams county, which is pretty much as close as that.

the downtowns are open. there's nobody on the streets anymore. because they are all at walmart, costco, or one of the dollar stores. the downtown idea of having a gift shop. that's all closed. nobody is on the streets anymore. and the ones that are, are filled with hostility right now about the democratic party and biden. there's a store i went to in fulton county, which is politically incorrect. all it is, a little store packed with antibiden stuff. all it is. all the stuff about brand and all the cliches and nonsense from the right. the reason is, there's no newspapers for sale. there's no way to check your facts. if you hear something on fox or hear it through the grapevine from the trump crowd, how are you going to check it? this guy says the bidens, who is he talking about? sounds like he is talking about the president, well he isn't. he isn't talking about the president. he wants you to think it sounds like the president. so he says over and over again.

like an idiot, he kept saying the bidens, because he didn't have anymore background -- he didn't have anymore information. he just had those phrases. jamie is one of the smartest guys ever in congress and he is taking them on. the guy that fell back on the fact, he didn't have anything on joe biden. after all these months, all the millions of dollars spent, nothing on joe biden. he must be the cleanest politician in history. these guys have been frisking biden. they don't have anything on the guy. they checked his pockets, they have gone everywhere. they haven't gotten anything. and this guy is talking about the biden's. it's a simple use of dishonest language. that's all it is. hunter has his problems, and we know he is facing courts over it, like his father is directing the courts. that's another one. biden is directing all the prosecution like of his son. give me a break. he's not doing this. >> one lie after another lie

after another lie. and when you have -- >> and no newspapers to check with. you can't check it anywhere. >> such a great point. >> by the way, so many people don't want to check. they could go on the google machine at home and they can know the truth in five minutes on any of these lies that they spread, but i found personally, with my own friends. give them the lie that makes them comfortable. they'll take that over the truth any day of the week. chris matthews, thanks so much for being with us. >> good to see you. >> coming up, president biden has been campaigning in his home state of pennsylvania this week. we'll talk with the state's governor, josh shapiro, how he thinks the president can keep the battleground state blue.

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governor, what does joe biden need to do all across the country, especially in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, to bringing working voters back to the democratic party. a lot of working voters, as you know, that have backed donald trump. a lot of people who didn't benefit from his economic policies. didn't benefit from the largest tax cut ever for billionaires and multinational corporations. didn't support union workers, and yet, many of them still voting for donald trump. how does joe biden reach those voters and let them know that a vote for joe biden is better for their economic future? >> well, look, let's not forget, joe biden won the presidency last time and he won pennsylvania and he won union households. president biden is going to be in a union hall in pittsburgh today. in a steel worker's hall. he's very comfortable there.

he's very comfortable around the folks who work as steel workers. the folks who work in our building trades across pennsylvania. he's been there for them. his policies have lifted them up, where donald trump's policies have held them back. i think all joe biden needs to do is get out and tout his record. make sure the people know about it. that's part of my responsibility as governor of pennsylvania and others trying to support and lift up the president. he has a strong record of achievement for our workers. the infrastructure resources he's put forth are going to keep our building trades here in pennsylvania busy for more than a decade. there are children in pittsburgh where he is going to be today, who are drinking water that doesn't have lead in it anymore, because the president made sure that the water lines that connected to their homes were replaced and no longer is there lead in their drinking water. we have 276,000 pennsylvanian homes and businesses that don't have access to high speed

internet. that's changing under president biden and it is the building trades and other workers who were going to lay that fiber and put up those towers to connect people to the internet. so folks can start a small business or consult with their doctor. you name it. this is real tangible stuff. the president has a great record to run on and now he has to go run on it and make the clear contrast with donald trump who is routinely throughout his career and the private sector and as president screwed over workers here in pennsylvania and across this country. >> so governor, let me ask you something. in your position as governor, have you respond. we and other people have predicted before the 2020 election, that if pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, didn't count early votes until after the election day, if they didn't do it like florida, which a slew of republican governors all in a row have all supported florida, counting

votes early. on election night, you know, within an hour or two, who won the state of florida? i know that can't happen in wisconsin, last night, democrats and michigan regained control of the state legislature. so they can do it there. i know it's a little tougher in pennsylvania, but is there any hope that pennsylvania and michigan can do what florida and so many other states do? you can't the early votes early, and that takes the wind out of donald trump's sales when it comes to lying about rigged elections. we will know on election night who won pennsylvania. who won florida. who won michigan. can you do that in pennsylvania? >> yeah, you're highlighting a really important issue. it's known as precanvassing. the ability to precanvas, presort, and literally slide the ballots through a machine so that you can get those tallies right after the polls close, which is 8:00 p.m.

here in pennsylvania. let me just say, i think the clerks who were doing that work, republican and democrat alike. there are neighbors all across pennsylvania. they are doing a job. they are doing it kind of one with arm tied behind their back. let me explain why. precanvas is something supported by republican and democratic county officials. the people that run our elections. it is supported by my secretary of state. the great al schmidt, himself, a republican, who oversees our elections. it should easily and overwelmingly pass in the legislature if it came up for a vote. but the reason it hasn't is donald trump told the republican leaders in our state senate, don't run that precanvas bill. don't do any of that. the reason is, he wants the chaos. we've seen that. he is a guy who loves to inject chaos into everything. into our elections, into our tax code. into, you know, the policies that harm working folks every

single day. and unfortunately, we still have some republican leaders here in pennsylvania who take their accused not from the people or even their local republican elected officials, but they take their cues from donald trump and we see more chaos. so, i think it's going to be hard to change that here in pennsylvania this year, but the good news is, we've got county officials, republican and democrat alike, who will do the right thing, who will process these ballots as quickly as possible, and hopefully, we will know soon. the bottom line here is that in 2020, notwithstanding any of the bs trump or his offspring or enablers said, we had a free and fair, safe and secure election. and joe biden won by over 80,000 votes. some republicans were on those ballots as well. the will of the people was respected and we'll do the same thing here in pennsylvania again this year. >> it's a shame you can't get through the legislature. i think almost everybody, except perhaps donald trump, agrees would make this process

even more secure, at least not give him that space and those days after the election to start fanning the flames of conspiracy theories. but governor, i want to ask you what you share with president biden before he comes to pennsylvania. by that, i mean you're out there, you live in the state. you're talking to voters about what really concerns voters in a state so crucial like yours. if you want to get more specific, even in the suburbs, swing voters around pittsburgh and philly. is it inflation, which ticked up again in the last report? is it the border? is it abortion? what do you hear the most from concerned voters in your states? because those are the issues that will swing the presidential election as well. >> look. i think all those issues are on people's minds. and the president knows that. he doesn't need me to tell him that. i think in particular, in the wake of what happened in arizona, going back to a linkin era law on abortion effectively

banning abortion in that state, we've seen chaos in other states as a result of donald trump trying to overturn, successfully overturning roe v. wade. that level of chaos and taking away people's freedom is certainly on folks minds and certainly something people are worried about. and i'm pleased that the president wants to codify roe, and provide more freedom to millions of women here in pennsylvania and all across this country. i think that's really critical. i think the economic policies that the president was speaking about yesterday, how we're going to lift up the middle class. how we're going to make sure we cut costs for them. that is something we've done here in pennsylvania. i was proud that we cut taxes for seniors the first time nearly two decades. the largest expansion in the child care tax credit ever here in pennsylvania. we brought republicans and democrats together to get that done. we cut business taxes. we put money back in the pockets of the middle class. i think we're showing here in pennsylvania how to do that.

i think the president's policies certainly support that and contribute to that and i think all of those things are on people's minds. the president has a strong record to run on. not only make the positive case on what he accomplished and what he wants to do, but prosecute the case against donald trump, the way he has taken away our freedoms and injected more chaos in our lives. >> pennsylvania governor, josh shapiro, thank you very much. greatly appreciated. unnext, eddie joins us to talk about his new book that has a vital message ahead of the next election. we'll be right back. about ou. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools,

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so, eddie, has a new book out today. we're thrilled. it's titled, we are the leaders we've been looking for. eddie looks back at a series of lectures he delivered at harvard over a decade ago that focused on martin luther king, jr., malcolm x. how to fight for justice in a post civil rights era and in today's political climate. eddie writes, quote, at the heart of the book is a simple formulation. if we're going to be the leaders we're looking for, we're going to have to become better people. eddie, congratulations on the book. we've been anticipating this for a long time. it is here today. people can go pick it up today. what did you set out to do? i set the table a little bit. more specifically, with this book, what did you want to say?

>> you know, i think we outsourced really our responsibility for democracy for too long. we out sourced to politicians, and heros. we have given over our responsibility, our power. what i wanted to do, the title comes from ms. ella baker. ms. baker said a strong people doesn't need strong leaders. she wanted us to involve ourselves or engage in politics in such a way that every day, ordinary people, involved, indigenous to the space, would emerge as the folk responsible for transforming their lives. what i try to do in this book is find my own feet. i'm trying to figure out my relationship to this tradition that made me who i am. what does it mean to be a gen x or born in the shadow of the 1960s. contrary to some folks, that's the greatest generation in my mind. what does it mean to be born in the shadow of them and find my own voice? i had to figure out, what is my relationship to dr. king?

what is my relationship to malcolm x? how can i find my particular signature voice without engaging to them? these lectures are an attempt to call people to take responsibility for now. to take responsibility for the future. >> and isn't it true, eddie, that you focus on king and malcolm and ella baker. they became that because of activism. dr. king left boston university, went to montgomery, just to pass the southern church and ran into the situation with rosa parks. he didn't plan rosa parks and plan to do what he did. ella baker, doing the work in mississippi. malcolm x finding himself after being a convict. and i was raised by some of the king men, jesse jackson was a student leader that emerged. so i think the critical part of your book is we are the leaders that we've been looking for.

that's how the leaders we look up to became the leaders. >> i think what happens with prophets and heros, they become larger than life. we think they have qualities that are beyond us. and so then what we do is we follow them. when we follow them, we give up the hard work of working on ourselves. we don't see joe, that martin luther king exhibited the courage that is in me. that this person revealed a kind of character that i'm capable of demonstrating in my own life. instead, we have this longing. if only we had fdr today. if only we had dr. king today. no, we need you. part of the challenge is to rid ourselves from being, you know, engaging in supplication, from being fans in the pews, to pastors. as opposed to being in the journey. being in the journey. so this book is a radical call for every day, ordinary people, to take control of this

democracy. and to disrupt a style of leadership, which we give over our power to folks. to understand that we, in fact, have the power. >> we expect too much from them. once we exult them, like dr. king didn't say, i wish sir good marshall was in montgomery. we look for the flaws and say, oh, i made you this great image and i find out that you don't wash your feet that well. i mean, it looked to break down people rather than lift ourselves up. >> absolutely. >> so eddie, this conversation, especially what you're just talking about, the two of you. what has happened to us? why have so many americans lost the memory of what this country was and still is, and ignore what the country still is? >> you know, it's a really important point. i think, and i'm following here, who has a new book coming out. he says we're in a second lost cause. we're in the mist of a second

redemption. and what was distinctive about the lost cause and redemption wasn't just the violence of colfax, louisiana, or wilmington, north carolina. there was literally a coup in those state governments. it was also, mike, the assault on what we knew. how we remembered reconstruction. how we remembered the past. and what is so interesting about it, when i look at what's going to happen to those kids in florida and texas and all these places where they are not going to be taught the full scope of our history. i get angry about my children. my black children and brown children having to learn that. i actually get more angry about what is going to happen to white children. because you know what? those kids who were taught in the first lost cause, they turned out to be the adults in montgomery. they were the adults in mississippi. they were the adults in louisiana. the folks who actually engaged in the violence of the second reconstruction. so i think part of what we're dealing is what fredrick

douglas called the horrible reptile in the nation's -- we must tear away, and we have refused to tear away that serpent. >> you talk about at the heart of this book, the need for us to be better people. >> yeah. >> that is something that republicans used to call personal responsibility. remember? republicans would always talk about personal responsibility. personal responsibility. now, it's victimhood. it's them being snow flakes. it's somebody else. is picking on me. i would be better, but somebody else is, you know, taking my place that doesn't deserve it. etcetera, etcetera. but again, you say we have to be better people. >> yeah. >> that goes to the heart of personal responsibility. don't look out there. look here. >> jimmie baldwin has this

wonderful formulation. the messiness of the world is a reflection of the messiness of our interior lives. that southern sheriff who behaved so badly, he's wounded. he's hurt. and so the moral question of who do we take ourselves to with? what kind of human being are you? you know, that question you asked, tom cotton, who raised you? ms. ella baker when she was losing her memory. she would say, who are your people? trying to locate you. trying to ground you. trying to put you close to the ground. the moral question, regardless of the politics. the moral question of who do we take ourselves to be? what kind of human being are you? joe, you and i disagree about politics. on a number of things. but one of the things i said. i said it on television. you're a decent dude. right? and part of what i'm trying to do is not a post space. what does it mean to foreground the values of decent si, love,

and care? right? as the basis of our politics. that goes to the heart of what kind of human being you take yourself to be. i heard. i heard. >> all right. the new book is titled, we are the leaders we have been looking for. eddie will be back with us throughout the week to talk about it further. such an important book. thank you, eddie. >> thank you, eddie. still ahead, we'll speak with comedian, alex on his new standup special and on being one of time magazine's most influential people for 2023. morning joe weekend will be right back. mary, janet, hey!! (thinking: eddie, no frasier, frank... frank?) fred! how are you?! fred... fuel up to 7 brain health indicators, including your memory. join the neuriva brain health challenge. why would i use kayak to compare hundreds of travel incsites at once?mory. i like to do things myself. i can't trust anything else to do the job right.

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i appreciate the politically correct world that everybody lives in, where we all pretend all the holidays are equal. they are not equal. hanukkah is very much --

there's no comparison. going to the supermarket come december, christmas is everywhere. hanukkah is one little end at the shampoo aisle. there's passover in there for some reason. and nonjews are gorgeous, because they are like, you're so lucky. you get eight days of gifts. i have never met a single jew who got eight days of decent gifts. >> that is a clip from the standup special, alex edelman, just for us, making its streaming debut on max. it's great to have you on morning joe again. >> the power, the influence. i am actually too nervous to ask a question. i'm going to pass it on to our good friend, john, who of course is a massive fan. john, first question. >> alex, you spent years on this and you did this show for a really long time.

the special is out now, people know i'm a huge fan, as joe just said. double barrel question here. over the years that you spent making this thing, what is the most important thing you learned and what is it like to say good-bye to something that has been the center of your creative life for all this time and to have to leave it behind and move on? >> you know, i think the most -- first of all, it's crazy to be on that list along with fellow comedians. but the thing that i learned is that after every show, i stand outside and talk to people. i wait after every show on the sidewalk and talk to whoever had a question. people's desire to actually know what people say about them when they are not in the room is really, really interesting. and the show sort of centers on me going to this meeting and so i think there is a desire to be seen by people who completely

disagree with you, and to have those conversations. that's really interesting. and in terms of saying good-bye to it, it's bittersweet. it's nice that it moved on to this very heightened form and we shot it on broadway, so it's the nicest version of the show. but also, i made it with the guy directed it, adam, directed the live shot. he was my closest pal, and we work together for eleven years and he passed away right before he started on broadway. so it's weird, because i love the show. it's the best thing i've ever been a part of. i love performing it on broadway, but saying good-bye to the show is also me sort of saying good-bye to our partnership. it's very bittersweet, is the one word answer i should have given. >> you are correct. it should be given. to the people who put you on the list of time magazine, how many of them knew that you used to work out everything you're

doing now, composite, inbetween innings at fenway park? do they know that? >> no. no. >> that could be the key to your success. >> i worked at the red sox when i was a kid, when i was a teenager. i knew mike and i would see him around with the other keynote that just passed away, unfortunately. i started as a teenager at fenway park. baseball is an hour of excitement stretched out over the course of four and a half years. i got all this time to enjoy it. >> being funny, you could make a living being funny. >> i think pretty -- i never thought i could make a living at it. earlier this year is when i figured i could make a living at being funny. so, maybe like 15, 16 years old, i sort of figured that. thought maybe that would be my career. >> if you camped out at fenway this year and inspired by this year's red sox, or perhaps a black comedy.

so now that they say, putting to rest this chapter. what is next for you? how do you find that inspiration? you've been telling this story to such a claim. it touched a lot of people. how do you find inspiration for the next thing? >> i've been going to different weird places. i went to savior's day. that was interesting. you know, three and a half hours of pretty intense antisemitism. >> he had some thoughts for you. >> i was like, if i want my second show, it's right here. i'm writing and directing a christmas movie, which sounds like -- >> wait a minute. >> well, what's the problem, mike? >> you were doing hanukkah in the clip we just showed. >> well, it's time for the other side. >> you get our vacations, though. >> if we get your vacations. you guys don't get passover off? i thought everybody got passover off, to not eat bread along with us. i'm doing a christmas movie.

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good sunday morning and welcome back to morning joe weekend. we have a lot to cover. let's dive right in. >> in new fox new poll is out of registered voters in swing states and the really tells the same story we have been hearing over the past week or two of the tightening of the race. all four states within the margin of error. donald trump leads georgia 51- 45. that might be outside the margin of error. michigan, 49-46. the numbers in both of those states tightening up. wisconsin in pennsylvania, dead heats 48-48. so a tightening race as we move from april into may. >> joe, we have to report on the polls. to your point about the margin of error, my gut at this point and my head both say we would

all be wise to essentially not really care that much about new polls unless they show a race outside the margin of error. my sense of this race with all the data we have is that we will have a margin of error race in the battleground states from now until election day. and the margin of error means there is a margin of error. and so these numbers are, in some sense, meaningless other than to say that this race is really close. and we know that, right. i think the sides are tightening in either direction and don't matter very much and anyone sitting here on a friday had a better week politically? joe biden and a battleground state a lot of the weekend pennsylvania or donald trump in court? i think we all know the answer to that. >> it is interesting over the last six months or so the courtroom politics played in donald trump's favor. i'm curious of now seeing joe

biden campaigning or donald trump stuck in the courtroom over the next 6-8 weeks. whether those dynamics change a bit. and i just want to say, when i was in public office, i never cared about the bottom line of the poll but i just obsessed on trend lines. and there is an unmistakable trend state of the union address that breaks and joe biden's favor, whether it is public polling or private polling. >> i agree with both you and john. i think the trend is good and margin of error polls are a waste of time. what i would love is for all of these polling folks to just focus on independent voters. voters that have voted for both donald trump and joe biden.

or people who are in those congressional districts and those swing states that have elected both republicans and democrats. it is very expensive to pull those swing voters. with those of the only voters at play right now. yes, they have to worry about enthusiasm and getting the bases out. the democratic party has to worry about solidifying the coalitions and making sure they understand the importance of voting but it is those voters that go back and forth that will decide these states. they don't really get pulled in a way that you can see it because it is so expensive to do it come to find enough of them to make the polls reliable and it costs a lot of money. so a lot of them don't want to do that. >> i am fascinated by men that voted for biden and who are conservative and who are republican. are they going to stay with biden this next go around? or are they going to go back?

a lot of these men were influenced by abortion and by about what they saw happening to women and they chose to jump ship but have the last four years been palatable for them? i'm curious to see if biden can hold on to that crucial little sliver and win reelection. >> let's bring in our columnist for politico, jonathan martin. his latest piece is entitled "trump the front runner." not so fast. explain what you are seeing right now. >> i think that trump's political wisdom got a little out of hand. i think it was overcompensation for people who are trump fans but want to seem like they get it and they are in touch with real america and perhaps they weren't in 2016. this assumption that he is a sure thing doesn't fully factor

in. that donald trump is donald trump. you will say and do things that will be detrimental to his own cause and he has an aptitude for self sabotage unlike any politician we know and this is a sort of campaign that has six months to go and a lot can happen. there are no unknowns and the idea that trump is coming back for a second term, i just don't think it is reflected in the data or the reality of donald trump, the politician we know. >> michael steele here. i found the headline an interesting one. and that trump may not be the front runner. you are talking about in terms of the race between him and biden? or inside the party? who is taking this guy down inside the party? everyone is lined up. if he is not the front runner,

who is? >> in terms of the race between he and biden i mean. >> okay. >> trump clearly is the dominant figure in the gop and has been for almost nine years. that is no question. there is a third of the republican party that builds on this very show right now, joe scarborough, that are embarrassed by trump and find trump to be an appalling figure. but it is math. one third is vastly outnumbered by two thirds and trump clearly controls the gop. but he has always been a minority political leader. he has never sniffed 50% of the vote in either election and obviously has presided in his own party since 2017. the idea he is some political colossus is not reflected obviously in history or in the

data today. we all get it. this is an election of six states. biden's coalition is 10. biden patients numbers are really bad and he will have a huge challenge. i don't think the idea that david cameron going to mar-a- lago, that wouldn't happen unless this conventional wisdom was a sure thing. >> donald trump has obviously been here sitting for the trial. what is your sense of the truth about the way the trump campaign feels about this? obviously, the front runner. >> do we worry about it cutting into the confidence that they are projecting that they worry about? >> we had a western official

told me that the trump world encouraged the embassies to have foreign leaders go visit trump on his turf. this is an active effort by trump advisors to get these foreign leaders to go. there is no question that trump campaign can only control so much. they have a candidate that can do what he will do and say what he will say. they have limitations and what they can do. if you saw the letter this week of him trying to create his own nil, a 5% cut, as they say in philadelphia, getting a taste. that kind of thing, if you are trying to get a cut of down ballot candidates that use donald trump's image in an ad is not the campaign trying to put together an organization in

michigan, wisconsin pennsylvania. it is an organization trying to placate donald trump and pick up cash while they are doing it. i think a lot of their time is focused on keeping mr. trump happy and when you are doing that, you are not putting together a winning campaign. >> we have a lot more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer's dog is just our way to help people take care of them. ♪

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columbia citing extraordinary circumstances. columbia university president cold in the nypd to clear the encampment of pro-palestinian student demonstrators. the encampment set up wednesday morning, the same day it was testified on capitol hill about anti-semitism on campus. >> we must uphold freedom of speech. it is essential to our mission but we should not tolerate abuses. >> in a letter to the university community, it was noted that protests have a storied history in columbia. and asking for help from the police, they said the encampment and related destructions pose a clear and present danger to the functioning of the university. >> we are risking our academic sanity to show the administrators that we are not okay with their decisions. >> several demonstrators today stomping on a israeli flag. some say they feel unsafe on

campus. >> i feel as though people are weapon icing anti-semitism. >> demonstrators telling us that they plan to keep the protest going despite the police presence. >> do you feel the administration has clamped down on students and faculty members? >> 100%, yes. >> the near city mayor saying that police made more than 100 arrests on a campus severely divided. >> nbc reporting from columbia university in new york. joe, yesterday, you saw another case out of several in recent weeks were heads of schools and chancellors and administrators have said there is a line between free speech. we have allowed you to protest and to go to certain places. we have opened up dialogues on campus and have given you a place to have debates. when it comes to harassment of jewish students or interrupting the operations of a class or a speaker or people moving to the campus, we are now saying, you

can't do that anymore. >> exactly. whether you are talking about the interruption of the functioning of the golden gate bridge or the normal functioning of columbia university, it is too much. you can have free speech without again, stopping the normal functioning of these institutions. and it is really unfortunate that you will have people stepping forward saying, we have to do this because israel is so terrible and israel did this and that. and look what is happening to the palestinian people. i just see these protests when 10,000, 30,000, 50,000, 100,000 or 500,000 were killed in syria

in the civil war. to be see this when a million muslims were being killed? i didn't see the protests. protests have a time and a place and nobody should be trampling on first amendment rights of people who want to support the palestinian cause or want to support israel's because. but that is not the wait is going on college campuses. right now it has been overwhelmingly one-sided and it is not just jewish students feeling the pressure. it is also other students feeling the pressure to take extreme positions, anti- israel positions. and so i'm glad the president of columbia university stepped forward. some people may call allowing students to take over

president's offices in columbia in the 1960s a storied tradition. i don't. i call that an anarchy. if you are president of the university and your letting students take over your office, maybe you should seek employment elsewhere because i guarantee you there are a lot of students that send children to schools that don't want students running the place. there like winning the grown- ups to run the place and that look like what is happening columbia. >> i went to vanderbilt university. they have had a lot of this on campus in recent weeks alone a lot of students push their way into kirkland hall from the chancellor's office and pushed aside in an armed security guard and sat there for 20 hours doing exactly what you are talking about, joe. and the chancellor that runs vanderbilt ultimately said, you are all suspended and then one by one reviewed their cases and expelled three of the students and said, they have given you a place for free speech and to protest and to voice your

opinion. and created symposiums where both sides of the discussion can be heard. you didn't participate in that but you broke into the office and set here so three of you are no longer students at the university. that was one of the first schools to do that. and i think you see more of it now since it. jeremy peters from the new york times is writing about this on how the administrators are responding to a surgeon anti- israel protests on campus and also with the ceo of the anti- defamation league, jonathan green,'s group has more data on anti-semitic incidents in the united states in the last to years. jeremy, i will begin with you. it seems like in the last couple weeks, there has been a change in the approach that some, not all, some leaders of campuses and universities across the country taking with these protests. what did you find? >> schools have had enough.

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david sanger, i want to talk to you about your book that is very relevant to events at the moment. and i'm just going to read two revelations from this book. really and no order of importance because they are very different. you found that trump made it clear that ukraine and certainly crimea must actually be a part of russia. he could not get his head

around the idea that ukraine was an independent state. i will let that sit right there. also given the historic events of today, you reveal in your book that donald trump had an obsession with stormy daniels and other women who he felt had wronged him and actually burned up 45 minutes of an important meeting riffing about these women, stormy daniels, the former pornography star who claims she had an affair with him another is a criminal trial starting in about two hours making it historic because this is the first former president to go on criminal trial all revolving around election interference and a payment to the pornography star he seemed to be obsessed with in a meeting. what else is in this book? >> those two are both true in the meeting we were referring

to with randall stevens at the time, the ceo of at&t who was trying to talk about important changes in communications networks in the u.s.. at some point, trump said, this is really boring. and went on to his discussion about stormy daniels. the book is about something much larger and something that took place long before trump came to office. is basically about the revival of superpower conflict i would say the first 100-150 pages of the book would examine the question of how it was that the united states so deceived itself into believing that china and russia, four for completely separate reasons, would join western institutions and then how we reacted in under reacted when that

unraveled. and the russia case, we had plenty of warning. but a putin came to the munich security conference in 2007 and a place david and i and ed had to show up and he railed against the parts of russia that he believed had been wrested from the country after the dissolution of the soviet union. seven years later, he of course annexed crimea. it took us a year to put sanctions together and only with the big invasion of ukraine have we really seen that take place in a big way, a big reaction. china's case is slightly different. but it was xi jinping where we get the intelligence wrong about what kind of leader he would be. and of course, what did he do? he came in and secretly gave a series of speeches.

about building up china's nuclear force. did the repression on hong kong. now we are caught with a leader who we will be living with for another 10 years or so. things have eased up in the past year, or the past six months, i don't know anybody in the u.s. government who thinks that we aren't on a longer-term confrontation. we are focused on the middle east rightly so. but the risk is again getting distracted. >> david ignatius, take the next question. >> you have been covering the rise of this new cold war for years and doing it superbly. i want to ask you what kind of marks you give president biden for dealing with the issues raised in your book. in this newly dangerous world, how is he doing? >> he started off rough with the afghanistan withdrawal and obviously, you so that is where

the poll numbers declined. i also think it is probably where putin got the idea he would not respond on ukraine. putin got that wrong. i detail in the book in some length, the discussions that took place behind the scenes and in the white house as they were deciding to reveal the intelligence and send bill burns, the cia director to confront putin and warn him about what the response would be and how the arguments were dismissed by putin. i think they handled this prewar period well. i think they handle the arming of ukraine well. although i think some of those arms could have gone earlier. it is only now that they are running into the blockades that they didn't see coming. that is the congress that is fundamentally stuck on the question of continuing a. and

so much as biden would like to continue his policy, if it turns out congress does not renew that, i think the message to the allies around the world will be, even if you have a democrat who supported ukraine aid in the oval office, it may not make that big of a difference. and this is going to be the real test i think of americans. >> white house and national security correspondent for the new york times, david sanger, thank you so much. his new book is out tomorrow entitled "new cold war's, china's rise come russia's invasion and america's struggled to defend the west." it is an important book. you can preorder it now. thank you very much. coming up, our friend and colleague chris hayes joins the conversation. we will be right back!

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i'm supposed to ask you a lot of questions about the trial and et cetera but i want to ask about your podcast. i love your podcast. let's start there. people love you so much. we don't need to talk about donald trump's jury selection right now. i want to start with your podcast because i love it. talk about it. >> sure. this is the first election since 1892 where you have two people running against each

other that were both president basically never happens. every time you have a presidential election, sometimes there are two people were neither is an incumbent or one is an incumbent and you have to say, what is this junior senator from illinois going to be like when he says he is going to be president? what would john mccain or mitt romney do? in this case, we have two records. it is a very rare thing. we have this new series you are doing on, why is this happening called the steaks 2024 where we take a policy area. immigration this week, taxes. what we do is very simple. what were the records? what did these people actually do with government power when they where an office on immigration? what did they do on taxes? what did they do on judges and reproductive rights? the idea is that there is so much madness that swirls around donald trump. understandably, you cover it and we covered every night. it is worth covering and it is

important to cover. the madness is like an enormous an existential threat to america but it is also the case of for all the rhetoric, whatever he is spewing, there is an actual record, a real record of things the government did or didn't do. people that helped or hurt. the idea is that every week or every other week, taking area and drill down with an expert on, what are the records of these two men? >> what you think is the most stark difference between the two other than all the chaos we report on every day. the potential crimes. when it comes to issues, what do you think is the most stark difference the a lot of undecided voters may not know about? >> i think on these brass tax issues, it has always been striking. the two least popular moments the three least popular moments for donald trump and poling are the following. right after january 6. makes sense. when the tax bill was passed

and signed into law, the huge trump tax cuts. that december, he went down to the lowest approval rating and then when they tried to repeal obamacare. it is always notable to me. obviously the first attempt on the union since the cannons fired at fort sumter should knock a person's poll ratings down. january 6. but you think about trying to repeal the affordable care act which is incredibly popular and provides healthcare to millions of people. getting rid of the estate tax for the 1500 wealthiest estates in america, that is not popular and it has been a little lost i think to memory that if he is in power and there is republican majority and republican senate, he will try to do that. they will cut more taxes. he just did a fundraiser the other day with paulson where he said, i'm getting another tax cut. don't you worry. they will make another run on healthcare. kennedy was just talking about

medicare and particularly medicaid. there is a lot the government could do and did do under donald trump the first time to pare back enrollment. all that stuff which is the brass tax stuff of what it would mean for your healthcare and your tax bill, that stuff i think can sometimes get a little occluded, understandably amid the madness. and i'm in the same boat. we are doing this on the podcast because it gives us time and depth to drill down into this stuff because of the whirlwind of psychosis that is the donald trump experience sort of overwhelms and other ways. >> january 6th, obviously, extraordinarily important to us that people remember that. but let's talk about issues. again, the brass tacks of it. the three things you brought up. donald trump passes the largest tax cut ever for billionaires

and multinational corporations. that night, he flies down to mar-a-lago and sits at the table and says to his billionaire friends, i just made you all a lot richer today when he signed that billionaire tax cut into law. that is number one. number two, obamacare. the cost of healthcare keeps going up. obamacare is a lifeline that keeps working-class americans in a healthcare plan. donald trump has said time and again he wants to take it away. he is to blur the differences. and this is the final thing. medicaid, for too long. i think working-class americans and middle-class americans have bought the garbage that right wing leaders have fed them about medicaid. this is welfare for black people that live in new york city. no. it is rural hospitals where people vote for donald trump and people need to know this.

rural hospitals are savaged by the cuts donald trump and republicans have brought to medicaid. nursing homes are paid through medicaid. hospitals are shutting down your people may have to drive 45-50 miles to get healthcare because republicans have been on a mission to cut medicaid for years. >> yes. and you have a situation where -- what you are highlighting, joe, is there are two things that happen when you elect someone to be president. you elect the person, donald trump and you elect a coalition of interest. that is the thing to think about and all of this stuff. you will get donald trump and you will get a coalition of interest that for instance want to salvage american healthcare.

immigration is another great example. this is something people don't know about. we talk about the border so much and understandably on the border has been chaotic and unruly and the source of a lot of stress for folks and has produced this migrant flow that has been difficult for all sorts of cities to handle in all kinds of ways to put on legal immigration come people say, americans are sensible about this. they like immigration and they like immigrants and they want people to come legally. non- asylum-seekers at the border, what donald trump and stephen miller did to the entire system of orderly immigration in this country was to basically try to destroy and salvage it. to essentially make it impossible to come through the quote, unquote right way. to make an enormous cuts to the system that processes people's applications. there is a story from the first podcast we did on immigration. i don't know if people know this. at one point, they implementing the new policy when you are applying for a visa.

there is an instruction that says you have to fill out every line. there is a form that says, list your children and there our lines. let's say you have two kids. so you list their names. they put put in the policy that if he did not right na on the other lines, they toss the application. they were just finding ways and excuses at the most minute administrative level to erect barriers. again, for people doing this by the book, in the way that we say we want. and not as an example of using the power of the government. sort of below the headlines and out of the view of people to just implement the policy vision which is, we are closing down america from people coming and creating unbelievable misery in the system and breaking it on purpose. >> we have a lot more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. ort break i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right.

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prosecutors to provide the name of the first three trial witnesses. prosecutors refused explaining that while they typically would turn over the information, they did not want to in this case because trump already has an posting online about potential witnesses. the judge said he could not blame prosecutors for the objection. trump's attorneys offered to commit to the court that trump would not post about any witnesses but the judge responded, "i don't think you can make that representation." so to say the least. trump's attorneys say, sure. we will control him this time. he won't tweet about the jurors. and the witnesses. so how unusual is this first of all? in a typical trial that is not john gotti or another mobster, would they protect the identities of the witnesses like this? >> no. and i cannot -underscore for you how typical it is to provide the names of witnesses.

maybe you have some skirmish about how soon to turn it over. is it the night before worth two nights before. but it is totally standard for each side to provide the other with a list of the witnesses they are expecting so they can prepare cross examinations. as you noted, josh stein glass said, normally i would do this is a courtesy but here, i can't because the defendant is still tweeting about these witnesses. and that is when they said, i cannot fault them for that. and there were two representations. the first, i can promise you he won't tweet. where juan merchan said, i don't think you can make that. but then saying come we won't even share it with the client. and at that point, juan merchan said, i won't direct them to do that either. there is a level of distrust here. both the defendant and there is a level of distrust that they can be independent from their

client. i don't think juan merchan was angry with blanche but if anything, reminiscent of a similar moment with the lawyer who was in the first trial with e. jean carroll where they said, if you give this information to me, i won't share with my client and my client won't do anything with it. and federal judge lou kaplan said something akin to, i don't think you can make that representation. it is less about the lawyer and more about the client. and of course it exists against the backdrop of trump continuing to tweet and the d.a. making an application to hold trump and criminal contempt for 10 social media posts in the last several days that they say endangers those witnesses. on one hand, you have judge juan merchan saying, i'm not going to order them to provide the names of the witnesses and then on the other, you have a hearing coming tuesday on whether to hold him and criminal content contempt.

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the rabbit effects of climate change will continue to have a profound impact on our future and those born in recent years are almost certain to experience a global climate far different from those that came before them. many young people express a sense of climate anxiety when they think about what is to come. joining us now, journalist and author, bill weir. he is out with a new book entitled "life as we know it can be stories of people, climate and hope in a changing world." bill, i'm glad you are hopeful. i want to talk about the climate anxiety that young people are experiencing. first, if you could talk a little bit about the inspiration for book. because it includes letters to your son, it starts with. >> exactly.

i like to use my kids as human measuring units. when my little girl was 11, i realized she would be my engineer 2050. and published a book. learning so much about the happiest and healthiest societies and then came the 2016 election and the schedule changed a little bit over at cnn and i was made the chief climate correspondent. the first time someone held that beat there. and then i became a new old dad at age 52. my little boy "river" was born on the height of the pandemic. and i realize this kid will live to see the 22nd century. and so much was happening in the climate space. the first couple years, the book was very dark but enough happened and i met enough inspiring dreamers and doers and entrepreneurs that i wake up with more wonder than worry. some days are still dark. we look at what is happening in the oceans. it is terrifying. >> give us reason to be hopeful. it seems like every headline is

about climate. and the earth sets a record each and every month. the hottest august on record in the hottest september and october and so on. when you look out there, what makes you feel like, we can do this? >> i look at what is a quiet industrial revolution playing out under the surface that gives us the fact that texas leads the nation in green energy. texas, more wind and solar then california and florida. the top energy states run by republicans right now because the economics of clean energy make more sense on the politics around it. for most of human history, we burned whatever was cheap or available whether it was pete or wood or cursing. now the two cheapest forms of energy are solar plus storage and onshore wind. so all the new power plants will be sustainable and renewable. and if we can accelerate that movement, if we can urge with power as both voters and consumers to do that, we have

to. >> died more into that. the role the private sector plays versus the government. is it federal or state? >> i think everywhere. you will see regions of very climate conscious legislation in those communities in those places i argue will be more resilient. we still subsidize big oil and fossil fuel companies to the tune of trillions of dollars. and the people that live in these companies, maybe 75 big companies and petro states making the difference. you can fit those decision wake makers and some greyhound buses ultimately. it is a minority of powerful people deciding on the energy extreme and at the same time, there is something called pluralistic ignorance. if you ask the average american to ask who cares about the issue and wants to do something about it, most say between 33- 40%. in reality, it is 66 like 80%.

we are surrounded by allies we don't know we have because folks don't talk about it enough coming at it from a politically charged word of climate change, alienate people. you connect over your favorite hiking trail or a fishing hole or the way you build your community in a more sustainable way. what if our kids went to school on electric school buses so we didn't have to breathe these diesel fumes? dr. king didn't say, i have a nightmare. people were living the nightmare. not enough of us talk about the dream of building a more clear and sustainable world and the tools are readily available right now. >> you write about your children in this book. we all have children. i have grandchildren. and yet, there is concern among the young more than middle-aged people about climate and everything like that. generally speaking, in the larger world, people don't go around really believing. i mean we just lead with a story about the ocean warming and coral reefs disappearing. we see it every day.

california almost drowned this winter with the rainfall who people say, that is the weather. but it is not just the weather. >> it is not. it is not your father's climate anymore. the past is no longer prologue. we have to get the kids out of the golden age of addiction and depression and destruction and with each other in nature. the thing that excites me the most policy wise is the civilian climate core. the idea that young people from queens and texas in the dakotas can get together in nature and revive ecosystems and learn how to install heat pumps and make a decent salary while doing it. but mostly connect with each other outside in real life. >> that is all we have time for this weekend. we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. kicking off a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend!