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good evening and welcome to politics nation. tonight's lead, trial run. opening arguments start tomorrow in the first criminal trial of a former president. the current republican nominee donald trump's legal woes are not only dominating his time. the latest campaign showing trump paying off legal bills while his democratic opponent, president joe biden is ramping up spending on his re-election bid. the different priorities may be shaping public opinion.
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a new nbc poll out shows biden's numbers are inching up for just over six months left in the race. also hanging in the balance tonight, the fragile republican minority congress a day after the house passed foreign aid packages for israel and ukraine in a rare saturday session. the legislative victories could come at a steep cost for speaker mike johnson, who faces a mounting leadership challenge from conservatives in his caucus. we're going to hear from pennsylvania senator bob casey in just a moment. let's start with another history making week for donald trump. tomorrow opening statements begin in the hush money trial. also tomorrow judge arthur ingelrom will hear an application to revoke the $175
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million bond trump posted in his civil fraught judgment. on tuesday the hush money trial will shift to a contempt motion claiming trump violated the gag order. and on thursday, the supreme court will hear arguments on whether trump is entitled to immunity from prosecution in the january 6 dc case. joining me now to talk more about the big leak week ahead for former president donald trump is arthur tony schwartz who wrote "the art of the deal" with trump. thank you for joining me today. and let me go right to the point. last week during jury selection, potential jurors were asked if they ever read "the art of the deal." what were your thoughts when you heard your book that you did with donald trump had come
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up in the case? >> i feel now i have been doing this for 30 years for having written that book as a young man. when i hear that it comes up as a question of what i think is, you know, i painted a very fictional version of donald trump back in 1987 when he was just a mid-level real estate developer with a big mouth. the presentation i made of him made him seem to be a man of more skill and cleverness than he really is. and so i regretted it ever since. >> and now trump appeared angry and frustrated throughout much of the proceedings last week.
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the judge had to talk about it as you worked closely with trump while you were writing his book. are these familiar trump traits to you? are there things about the courtroom experience that could make him more likely to act out in your opinion? >> no. listen, first of all he has deteriorated mentally, significantly, and especially in the last, you know, year or two. you can just google trump's missteps or trump's discomfort. you'll hear the amazing ways that you can feel his age. you know, his age is probably older than he is because he's a man that is 50, 70 pounds overweight. he never exercises. he doesn't use his brain very
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well. i think he's an aging man. i think that whole story has reversed from biden who really was the subject of that talk about being too old and look, the closest donald trump has ever come to prison is the courtroom he's been sitting for the last week and will be for the last four to six weeks. and there is almost nothing in the world that trump could hate having to sit in one place where he is not in charge and listen to people saying awful things about him and it doesn't surprise me that he's falling asleep.
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i also think it is a part of his age. >> throughout his entire career and his entire life. do you think there is something different about these most recent cases, specifically this hush money criminal trial and how he's reacting to it. is this the same trump you wrote about? >> no, he was flying high, a 36, 37-year-old guy who just built trump tower. and he was going to push too far and end up in all these bankruptcies in atlantic city. he was flying as high as you could imagine he would. this is completely different. >> how much of it was he studious and diligent about helping you write the book? you cowrote it with him. i mean i have known him mostly as an adversary, but i have
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never seen him as a guy who wrote a book. >> yeah. that is true and it is the only book he has ever read and not all that carefully. but no, he's not a person who reads or reflects. you know, his take on all of this was figure it out for me. and that is not a word now that i associate with trump, diligently. he doesn't do anything diligently. and his attention span is very short. it was almost impossible to get him to sit still for that book. imagine him now eight hours a
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day day after day after day and here is what's going to happen. it will wind him up over the coming weeks. he can't control himself under ordinary circumstances. there is a very good chance he's going to blow and what do i mean? do something so extreme out of his rage that it will decide the election. i think that is a very real possibility. >> wow. i mean he's going to be hearing the testimony of the national inquire. you will have a lot to get him angry. and you won the second term that it could be more dangerous than the first.
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why do you think that is? >> i thought the first term was dangerous. if he didn't have a few people around him at that time, it would have been more dangerous, and it was plenty dangerous. this time he's going to have only 100% around him. i think he is determined to be a dictator not just on day one, but day two and all the way through his term. and i think as i said, you know, who i think actually has more credibility than trump when they go into this trial that trump lies all the time. i see michael cohen for all the missteps and a man who is telling the truth. i think you are going to see
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trump really, really struggle during this period and it is not the only time he will be on trial. right in the middle of this campaign, he is going to spend a month or more in court and then there are three more cases behind that. i really don't think at this moment, i don't believe he's going to win the election. this is the first time that i have felt that and i feel he has crossed it. and we know he's guilty in that case, but you know he's guilty and that it is absolutely overwhelming. and i think he's sitting there now, terrified that this is not only going to be bad for his running for president, but that it might actually land him in
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prison. >> yeah. >> in the meantime he'll spend the next four weeks in the prison by legal authorities. >> yeah. >> by what legal authorities will be deemed as they were across the line in terms of the crime. well, we'll see. we never imagined, and we have not seen the american history or the american former president or sitting president face criminal charges, that we never hallucinated that they will be facing four criminal trials. thank you for joining me, tony schwartz. joining me now is senator bob casey, the democrat of pennsylvania and a member of the senate intelligence committee. thank you for being with us, senator, and joining us tonight. let's start with those supplemental security bills for israel, ukraine, and taiwan, pass through the house yesterday afternoon. how will they be received in the senate, which passed a
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similar measure more than two months ago? >> it is great to be with you. when we received the legislation, it will be tuesday and this is a good moment for the country that we need to make sure they have the resources they need and obviously that is the leading element of the bill. it's a security bill that will allow us to give the ukrainians the help that they need. as you know, most of these dollars are an investment in america. in our defense, we will be producing the weapons that the iranians used to defeat vladimir putin. it's a good moment for the country. that'll be on tuesday. >> now in terms of as many reports saying the senate may add some things, take some things when it comes back to
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the senate. there are many of us concerned about humanitarian aid to gaza. what do you foresee happens there with children and women being killed? with people in segments of gaza, facing it. what will be done in terms of aid? and how do we make sure they get to the people of gaza? they are not members of hamas. >> they already do include the support where it is more than $9 billion. and by one estimate, $1.5 billion will go to gaza and we want to make sure that every possible effort is made to provide more food assistance to
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people in gaza and that that is why that part of the bill i should say is important. we've got to continue to push for the israelis, the arab countries to do everything possible to get more food assistance in and to get them way up by hundreds of trucks, as well as other support. that's one of the ways that it will happen, of course, when and if and that when there is a deal to return the hostages that they captured. if that happens, as you know, there will be a sensation in the fighting and that it will allow more aid to go through, so we need to know that our
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director and others, they are working on that kind of a deal as we speak. >> and the house passed the bill to be sold off by the owners who will face the ban. he would sign the legislation, but it has faced resistance from some of your colleagues in the senate. what do you expect to have happen? >> reporter: well, as you know any changes made to any of these bills would send them back to the house. that would slow down the aid that's in these bills. i think it's likely that all four bills will pass including the measure that will deal with tiktok. here is the basic facts on that at least as i see it and i see this as a member that you mentioned earlier, that i don't think any american would want
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to put our country further at risk when it comes to china. so that is the reason for this measure dealing with tiktok. and i have a real concern about that as well. what will happen though, we could pass this into law. i know a lot of americans rely upon tiktok and that is understandable because of the value they could provide to the small business owner or others who need tiktok to communicate. what this legislation will do is to force bytedance, which is the entity thanes tiktok just to divest from china. once they do that and they put tick tock in the hands of the corporate owner that would be the american. then tiktok could continue their operations. people could still derive the benefits from tiktok, but it will be away from the influence of china and away from the risk that's posed by the regime and
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china. >> and now moving to the 2024 election and your home state of pennsylvania, where biden spend much of his time campaigning last night. they show the president gaining on donald trump. just two percentage points separating them with biden at 44% compared with trump at 46% within the margin of error. biden's approval rating has gone up five points since january. what do you attribute the president's rising numbers to? >> i think it's similar to what i'm seeing in my own race. the president is communicating as i have been communicating how we've delivered for communities. i can go to any county in pennsylvania and talk about the dollars that we brought in the pandemic legislation for k-12 education, the money for roads and bridges, high-speed
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internet. i was on our road trip today, which is the road trip to go across pennsylvania. started in the baptist church in philadelphia in the morning. and went to a farm in burkes county later on in the day and lancaster county.. every one of those counties, it's to continue these fights to make sure their rights are not further eroded. the women's rights, workers rights, voting rights as you have been such an advocate for. and once americans know, and once pennsylvanians know, the contrast on these issues. i think people are going to understand what is at stake and they will vote for me and vote for biden. but we've got to get that message out. in one of the ways that we do that by making sure we will have the resources. i hope people will go to bobcasey.com to communicate that message about how we have
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delivered, but also how extreme the choices on the other side is. >> you brought up your senate race. your republican opponent, former head fudge ceo david mccrumley has been taking heat. complicating that is the fact that he lives in another state. he lives in the state of connecticut. recent polling finds you leading him 45% to 41%. your thoughts on where the race is right now? >> i think it will be a close race. my opponent lives in connecticut. he has been misleading the people about that and he's an out-of-state candidate funded by out-of-state billionaires. i think he's the only one who
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has that set up just for him with more than $20 million in it already. so we need to compete against someone who has the backing. we need help. and i hope that people will go to bobcasey.com to help us. >> i'm out of time, but i want to have you back to talk about haiti and sudan. senator bob casey, thank you for being with us. still to come, students take a ban on book bans, rising up against the challenges to free speech in their school libraries. how can support for these young activists happen? we'll talk about that after the break. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. nothing dims my light like a migraine.
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the free speech group is out with a book report that should alarm any american who
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cares about our civil liberties. book bans have surged in our country's public schools. in the first half of the academic year, more than 4,300 titles were removed. more than the entire last school year combined. since 2021, they have tracked book bans in 42 states, impacting the republican and the democratically controlled districts. many of the targeted books have to do with sexuality, gender, and race. some are being objectionable simply for including a character of color or someone who is lgbtq. some conservative states, librarians are being threatened with prison or thousands of fines for handing out banned books. thankfully many of us are standing up to the censorship including younger readers. students across the country are
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staging protests, forming after school book clubs as i continue as an activist when i remember i was a younger activist as i knew the power of standing up for what was right and that i applaud these young people for rallying together to make their voices heard. and not sitting back while the politicians would try what they can control and try to stifle what they could learn. as parents and adults, we must stay vigilant in our community and our school systems in order to rise up and defend free speech as others attempt to diminish our rights. we could take a page from our young people's book and demand our rights be respected. we'll be right back.
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political panel. the democratic strategist and former senior adviser to the 2020 biden campaign and jennifer horn, cofounder of the lincoln project and former chair of the new hampshire republican party. the latest nbc news poll out today shows the level of voter enthusiasm going into this year's election has hit a near 20-year low at this point in the presidential race, with the majority of voters saying they hold negative views of biden and the presumptive gop nominee, donald trump. if this turns out to be a low interest election, does this play to either candidates benefit? >> listen, it is hard to tell exactly who this will benefit from because we also have the outliers of what will happen with donald trump on trial, as
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well as some of the other things that might come between now and election day. it's a very long time for the average voter. but i will say the enthusiasm gap, i'm particularly concerned for young voters because the democratic base really needs young voters, people of color to be enthusiastic to show up to the polls. one thing that will motivate voters is the issue around abortion where they are going to talk about this issue. and the biden administration will need to continue to talk about their achievements to get people to understand that they are the administration that will continue to protect democracy. i'm not extremely worried right now, i'm more cautious, but this is a good indicator for their campaign to move forward. >> jennifer, donald trump's criminal trial will resume tomorrow morning and campaign finance reports reveal what was controlled by trump spent almost as much on their legal bills as the campaign did on
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anything else. while trump is preoccupied by the criminal trial. biden is spending his stockpile of cash to build out the campaign operation. biden outspends trump nearly 8 to 1. trump and his campaign say they are committed to closing the spending gap with biden. but do you think these numbers are a significant problem for trump, as big donors will decide whether to continue to open their checkbooks for him? >> it's something they'll be looking at. fundraising for trump, his fundraising priorities are his attorneys, his legal support system. that is what he's going to spend, you know, as much money as he could legally spend from now until the end of the year frankly. the current case is not the last one that we're going to see. i think what they will be questioning about the
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fundraising scheme is that they are being asked to write large checks. hundreds of thousands of dollars. with the expectation that that money will be spend on campaigns, whether it is donald trump's or for people lowering the ballot. what they might not all understand is that donald trump's campaign and then his pack that pays the attorneys are the top two beneficiaries of the checks that they are being asked to write. before they get any money and before any other candidates will get any money. when they really start to understand where their money is going, trump might see some problems with that. >> and now trump was scheduled to appear at a rally last night and had to cancel after the event started due to bad weather. one group that did show up at least ten men wearing black and yellow shirts, identifying
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themselves as the proud boys of the violent extremist groups. one held a sign saying free all the j6 prisoners. and they responded to the incident in a statement saying, "we don't comment on stupid." meanwhile a spokesman for the biden campaign condemned trump for emboldening the far right extremists. what do you make of the proud boys showing up to a trump rally, especially given the timing of trump's criminal trial underway in new york? >> listen, i think they are very clear and very loud about their motivations and that they look at donald trump as their king, right? that they will look to do anything that they can to make sure they exalt him and a part of exalting him is through violence. we remember january 6. we remember that attack on the capitol, that violent attack to steal an election. the very thing that is not
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quite this trial, but one of the trials this year, right? and so i'm concerned his campaign does not take these things seriously, but we don't expect them to. but the violence will continue to be embolden as he has signaled that there will be blood bath if he does not win and continuing to embrace the rhetoric and not condemn it and shut it down, which is extremely problematic and plays back to the broader message of fighting for democracy. and that is what this election is about again. >> in less than 24 hours after the house passed the $95 billion foreign aid package for ukraine, israel, taiwan, marjorie taylor greene is not backing off her threats to try to oust speaker mike johnson. although she's not offering any plans on when it might happen or how he would be replaced. where do you see the johnson
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speakership going from here? what impact would it have on the house races, if in the fall the republicans will oust their second speaker in one term? >> well, first let's understand what has really pushed marjorie taylor greene and her cohorts under the line. which is there to help support and protect global democracy. nations that will seek freedom and democracy in the model of the united states that we have an obligation to support and they would rather see ukraine fall to putin than support it. now johnson has pretty much found himself in a place where in order to pass anything from here on, he has only been able to afford to lose one republican vote at this point. and he is going to have to deal
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with the democrats. so regardless of whether or not she seeks to vacate or he ends up holding the seat, he will be putting himself in the rest of the republican majority in that position when voters will come out to vote in november. he can't win. there is no winning for mike johnson at this point. if they go forward and they seek to vacate another speaker, it is going to devastate the republican chances in the fall. any republican across the board. it will damage them beyond repair. >> now alencia johnson and jennifer horn. thank you both of you for coming on tonight. coming up, a new report will reveal which americans are actually the most concerned about the environment and loose. the answer may surprise you.
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welcome back to politics nation. tomorrow the nation and the world mark the 54th earth day. just recent way from what is expected to be another record breaking cycle of global summer heat caused by climate change. for many black communities across, though impacts of that change will only compound and
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disproportionate exposure to pollution and often the result of decades of environmental racism. joining me now is mustafa santiago ali, vice president of the national wildlife federation. and the founder of black girls environmentalists. let me start with you and thank you both for joining us tonight. let me start with this. black communities will mark earth day while being disproportionately exposed to the impacts of the changing climate and the concentrated environmental hazards. starting with you, during black climate week in february, you pointed out that historically less than 2% of u.s. based climate philanthropy has gone to groups like yours, led by people of color. what's the impact of that
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disparity? >> yes, of course. thank you reverend sharp for having us. this is the fifth year that it has been hosted. the whole point of the week in february is really to draw into, to really key in on the fact that philanthropy is funding climate initiatives that are being run by folks of color particularly black and brown organizations that are most upclose to environmental hazards in the climate crisis in general. when we would think about the ways in which climate isn't being funded when we would think about how it is being felt by the communities that are disenfranchised, we have to be putting money where our mouths are, right? we need to put it into the initiatives that people are already putting out as a means of survival. and unfortunately it is not the met. so that week is one to call in philanthropy to really, you know, talk about these
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disparities. really make sure that organizations that are doing it right like the solutions project, how they are working to address these disparities are really leading the way for them to really support the folks that need the funding the most. >> now according to a new gallup poll out this week, two out of five americans are at least fairly worried about air pollution in their communities. it is more than half, 53% compared to 46% of hispanic adults and 35% of white adults who said the same thing. the poll adds that black adults are also much more concerned about contaminated drinking water and soil and toxic building materials in their homes. mustafa, why do you think black americans seem uniquely concerned about these issues? >> because we are hit first and
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worse. james baldwin once said if i love you, i have to make you conscious of things you don't see. folks don't often see the impacts that are happening inside our communities. about two years ago, we've got over 350,000 people who are dying prematurely from the burning of fossil fuels. we have more people who are dying from car crashes, dying from air pollution, that are dying from overdoses of drugs, even though that number goes up. we've got more people dying from air pollution than actually dying from gun violence. we know how significant all of those are. so when we would begin to have a better understanding of how we're impacted, how both of our brains and our lungs and our hearts, and the various cancers that are also associated with it and the black maternal health that are impacted by the air pollution, then you'll see the reasons why they are getting engaged, saying that we'll have to do something different and saying that the resources are going there to make sure the policies are there to support and uplift our communities. when you would look at places
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like flint and detroit, also jackson, mississippi. when they turn on the tap and they know that there is something that's coming out of there that will be impactful to their body. then folks, brightly so will want to see real change happen as we know what we are breathing or drinking that there is significant impacts. >> staying with you according to the european union climate agency. they mark ten months in a row of global heat records. that's nearly a year where both the air and ocean temperatures were the highest ever recorded. a part of the spike has been driven by the el niño affect. i worry that despite the push from the biden administrations to prepare communities of color, it might not be enough for the new normal. your thoughts on that? >> yes, sir, we have to make
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significant impacts. excuse me, make significant investments in infrastructure, inside our communities. we know red lining, zoning, all these things that have pushed us in the sacrifice zone and then with the elevated temperatures with the burning of fossil fuels, that's a part of the driving of the climate crisis that it will put us in the cross hairs. whether we are talking about floods or hurricanes or a number of other things that are a part of the climate crisis. we understand where it comes from and two that we have to be able to make sure those are once again getting hit first and worse to have the resources, the infrastructure and the focus and attention from folks to make sure that we are protected as much as possible. so we could actually make the change that's necessary. there are projects out there across the country, when real infrastructure, when real investments will happen, we will see how people were protected and not just protected, but moving from thriving to surviving because we need to change the paradigm
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that we often operate that we will need a thriving paradigm. >> and i just held my action network convention two weeks ago where we would have people from all sides of this discussing this in several workshops, even though we're not a part of that. we were fortunate enough to also have epa administrator michael reagan join us. now i mention that because i've watched our younger activists take charge of this issue and demand that legacy civil rights organizations do the same. where we've got to be careful to not put in young voices and older voices that will see some of what is customarily at these conventions, not dealing with the climate change affect and the impact of the environmental concerns. and where does the climate fight fit into the future of civil rights movements? i'm out of time, but i wanted to give you the chance to close us with that. >> i think it goes hand in
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hand. you know, i see the environmental justice movement that we are in the midst of right now be in continuation of the civil rights movement. unfortunately in this country, race is the number one indicator of one proximity to the toxic waste plant, for example. and the polling that we've seen recently come out is just one of the dozens that have come out in the past couple of years that will tell us what we already know. the communities that are experiencing these issues, they are not only just experiencing the climate change. but they are also saddled with the host of other social ills. when you ask the question of where climate fits in, some people might say because climate change might seem less obvious or less in your face as other issues that might not be as important. but i would say to them, you know, climate crisis is an issue. not only does it create new problems, but exacerbates new ones as the threat multiplier. so the climate crisis not only intensifies issues around hunger, poverty, education, it will go hand in hand with so many issues.
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so i believe when we would start at climate, we are able to harness the ability to solve these, you know, narrative issues together. >> and mustafa santiago ali and wawa, thank you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us.
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networks convention last week, we heard from president joe biden. he's been the national action network events as president and as vice president. but i also thought as i was watching him speak about his presumed opponent, donald trump. because in the audience as biden was speaking from the white house directly to the delegates. what two young men that had been a part of the exonerated central park five who had been wrongly arrested and went to jail accused of raping and assaulting a white woman in central park. that years later dna proved they didn't do. i thought about that because donald trump, who has also been a national action network convention, by the way, had taken out ads when those young men were on trial. saying bring back our police.
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call for the death penalty for those young men. and it was found that they were not involved, he still refused to back off. he's going down center street tomorrow to hear opening arguments and in the same buildings that we march for those young men and ended up being right about their innocence. i'll be watching the trial tomorrow. we'll be right back. i've been practicing. what the cello? you want me to lower the hoop? foul! what? you going to tell on me again? foul yah? foul bro! here take a free shot go ahead knock yourself out. your about to get served. seriously? get allstate, save money, and be better protected from mayhem, like me. love you mom! wait till your father gets home. weeds... they have you surrounded. take your lawn back! with scotts turf builder triple action!
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