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to win. >> great to see you, enjoy your evening. good evening, tonight, from the courtroom to the public arena, it's been a very bad week for donald trump, with legal losses and waning influence over his congressional colleagues. is it a sign of things to come? looking ahead to the high- stakes legal showdown as the supreme court gets ready to hear trumps presidential immunity claim. where are critics of cancel culture when you need them? you will hear from the usc valedictorian his graduation speech was pulled after publicly supporting palestinians. let's do it. over the last seven days, donald trump has suffered an avalanche of embarrassing defeats, amounting to what is perhaps his worst week yet.

things were off to a rocky start monday, when his hush money trial finally came -- kicked off in new york. the fact that this trial started was already a huge loss for donald trump, who tried time and time again, up to the very end, to delay these proceedings. setbacks followed as the judge opened the first day of court by denying trumps motion for his recusal. the judge also cajoled a hearing to decide whether trump could be held in contempt for violating his gag order which prosecutors say has happened now three times did by tuesday, it seemed the judge had enough of trumps courtroom antics, admonishing him for making comments about it respect juror . wednesday, though court was not in session, it was still on trumps mind as he took the social media platform to make clear that he was not happy with the way the process was going.

that carried into this weekend. saturday, trump had to cancel his first rally since the trail -- trial began, citing bad weather. while this was happening in public, more was going wrong for trump behind the scenes. according to new filings, his presidential campaign committee and in march with $45 million on hand, significantly less than president biden's $85 million total. that deficit forced the ex- president kicked up his fundraising pace as his legal expense and -- legal expenses are draining millions. but this might not be his biggest concern. saturday, the republican controlled house voted to send over $60 billion to ukraine in a direct rebuke of trump, who, for years, has infected the gop with his pro-russian, anti- ukraine agenda.

it was a phone call with ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, that led to trumps first impeachment in december of 2019. earlier today, volodymyr zelenskyy made sure to thank the bipartisan coalition for sending his country that badly needed aid. watch. >> translator: thank you, to congress, for the bipartisan support and thank you to speaker johnson and president biden. indeed, it is much needed support from the united states of america. >> in a new piece for the atlantic, saturday's vote could spell trouble for trumps hopes to take the white house. the ex-president's inability to port ukraine aden congress shows that his influence has, at the very least, deflated. that may be a repeating pattern in the year ahead. let's bring in my panel for this hour. weird working on

trying to get rick wilson, but molly, let's start with you. any other way to describe this week, other than bad, for donald trump? that's the most basic term, with a legal term? >> what was amusing was the fact that all of us did not think it would be bad. what is a criminal trial? it's bad. the guys at $100 million to try to avoid a criminal trial, and then he sits down. this is not weeks and weeks, it's been four days. he's fallen asleep three of the days, he has been angry and deflated. a reporter said that as he was leaving, he looked exhausted. he can't sit there, he's bored and miserable, he acts out.

the judge told him what to do and more importantly, he looks diminished. >> that's a good point. rick wilson is now with us, cofounder of the lincoln project. we were talking about how bad a week this was for donald trump and molly brought up the point, specifically, of how diminished trump looks. for me, the thing i noticed was that trump was forced to cancel his rally, yesterday, with the candidate splitting his time between the court and the campaign trail, every day counts. how is defendant trump making candidate trump's life more and more difficult? >> you know, i don't know about strong moral guidance, it must be part of, maybe i shouldn't have done so much to put me in court, maybe i should have considered more thoroughly how to govern myself. he brought

this on himself. the lack of the ability to campaign really will become an element of friction for trump and of course, the rest of this year, but he brought this on himself. none of this came out of anyone's actions other than his own, but that is correct. he looks diminished, he looks small, and he's a guy who cannot they awake. he cannot govern himself in court. all of these things, this is only the first three days of the trial. we will get much worse behavior out of him and i think it will have a political branding problem for him. >> this is taking a toll, financially, on him and his campaign, according to the latest record. basically, 26% of his political spending went to legal expenses. it is

draining him, financially. >> trump has, the reason he has been able to kick the cannon on so many trials is because he is very good lawyers, and they are expensive. it's a real problem with large dollar donors. he is another problem with small dollar donors, but with large dollar donors, they are affluent people. >> they know the system. small dollar donors are probably the people that donald trump is grafting at rallies to say, he's the one bending between you and the system, where the big dollar donors, it doesn't work so much. >> exactly. i think that when you see trump with these donors, he has 200 less small dollar donors. you can't keep telling this story again and again and it's been so many years and he has not delivered them the results.

>> rick, national polls consistently show the rematch between trump and biden could hinge on a few state, perhaps even a single one. how does the cash crunch set this strategy back? >> right now, what trump does not have the money to do is go into arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. at the scale that joe biden can go in and do early advertising, organizing, the trump campaign was always a village and this time, they've been swept through and burned to the ground and scattered to the four winds. there is no "there." is not a real campaign being run. it comes down to control, causing chaos to generate that energy that he had in 2016 and was able to buy, in 2020 when he did have resources.

>> i want to ask about russia, because yesterday was a setback for the russia wing of the republican party, this kind of anti-ukraine wing. it's something that donald trump basically held control over. what does it tell you, the fact that despite his best efforts to prevent the house from passing ukraine aid, it still passed? what does that tell you about his grip on the party when it comes to at least to this issue? >> there have been a number of full internally, at the congressional judicial fund and the nrc see that has told republicans the truth and that is that vladimir putin has a 6% approval rating sit among people like jamie vance, matt gates, rest of the crazy putin group,

he has a high approval rating. there's a huge difference between what republican voters in the world believe and what is weird putin fan club in d.c. believes, and that penetrated mike johnson, it penetrated a lot of the republicans out there. there were a certain number of republicans wanted to do the right thing. it wasn't the entire caucus that believes it, but those like marjorie taylor green, when moscow mule marjorie trends, even the new york post is attacking her for being a putin simple and it means something. this is one that trump had tremendous vulnerability, and now there has been a break. the next time they don't succeed in blocking ukraine, i don't think it will be six months. the next thing we have to do is

this, because i think republican leadership understood how poison putin is. >> he does have control, when it comes to issues like immigration. we saw the republicans not actually pass the most comprehensive immigration reform bill in generations. he does have control in some parts of the party. why was he able to not exercise that when you have mike johnson seeing the reality hit him in the face? >> that's a good question because that border bill was very right wing. close the border, it did so democrats normally would not agree to. i don't know. i wonder how much mike johnson just sort of was like, this is the end for me. it's unlikely he's going to be able to keep his job. this is the burn it down caucus. they want destruction. marjorie taylor green said she got paul goes-r, and tom massey to go along with her.

>> an all-star lineup did >> they are trying to sink any ship, so i think -- >> i could be wrong, but if you like they can't campaign on ukraine. it's a scare tactic that can be used to jam up the base. people can't convince, hey, ukraine it is so dangerous, right? >> he did not kill it the way he did with the border bill. he didn't say, you have to do that. >> rick, thank you, molly, we will talk to you in a bit. next, a bid for immunity hits the court. what to expect, next. in a relationship. if you're sexually active and unvaccinated, it could still be you. i'm too old er 4v clears on its own. but for those who don't clear the virus, it can cause certain cancers. wow...

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get ready for a highly anticipated the preen court showdown, it is set to hear whether donald trump should be immune from criminal charges over his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. the court is taking up the case thursday after engaging in what critics have dubbed a slow walking campaign, that delayed the hearing until well into 2024. trump has continued to argue that he should have presidential immunity, saying friday, "without complete immunity, a president of united states would not be able to properly function." special counsel, jack smith, disagrees. in a 66 page filing, smith blasted the argument, sing "the

radical suggestion that would free the president from virtually all criminal law, even crimes such as bribery, murder, treason, and sedition is unfounded." let's bring in our nb's -- msnbc legal analyst and molly is still with us. carol, it's taken an exceptionally long time to get to this moment. i think, troublingly long. what are the big things you're watching for, and were you at all concerned about how slow this hearing was? >> well, to answer your first question, what we are going to be looking for, here, is how the court ends up dividing, if they divide, on certain issues. fundamentally, there are two big issues the supreme court has agreed to to get to a resolution on the first is whether the president, in the events leading up to january

6th, was really acting in presidential capacity, whether he was exercising presidential duties or whether the even enter the outer perimeter of his wrath -- of his presidential duties. if the answer is yes, the supreme court has to decide, and does immunity apply, does it apply to the so-called presidential ask? in particular, do they apply when the president is no longer the president and is a former president? even in those issues, there really five or six issues. it will probably take the court some time to resolve it and they probably won't come out with a decision until late june. on the question of, is it troubling it took so long? yes. i don't think it had to take so long. i think this was a compromise and it's my speculation there were certain justices who said, i don't see why we should expedite this at all and there were other justices who said, let's get this show on the

road. they did expedite it but not as much as some thought they should. >> let's talk about the trump argument that i would argue defies logic, that somehow a sitting president is immune from anything, basically. it seems to defy the very basic logic of our country that nobody is above the law in this country. >> right. first of all, it's insane that the supreme court is hearing this. they are helping him by prolonging this and even though we know there are these, we've heard them talk about it in other arguments, trump has his people on the court and they are going to work hard to try to help their guy. we keep seeing this again and again. we saw this in arguments last week. i do think that it is insane, the idea that if the president

does a crime, it's not a crime. this is like nixon staff, except nixon resigned. it's crazy. i don't think the american people wanted, i don't think the founders would want it, and it's a hard sell to the american people, that i'm a king, and emperor, a god. you could have seal team six assassinate arrival in that case. >> a hard sell for the american people but maybe not the supreme court. carol, if the court does reject trump's immunity claim, it could send the case back to a lower court for more deliberation. talk about that for a second. could this result in yet another delay for a potential trial, and the delay of justice, if you will, for donald trump? >> it could. i honestly don't expect the court to do that. it's possible, they can always send an issue back to the lower court to say, you need to resolve this and then we will

take it up again. i think there is a path for the court to resolve on a narrow basis and that's what they should do, a principal of appellate court procedure that you only decide the cases on the most narrow base that you can and you leave all speculation and other issues to future cases when you have the facts in front of you, so that's possible. this immunity decision is not likely to affect it all. the idea of, during the presidential campaign when you're not the president, paying off somebody with hush money and falsifying business records is in no way a presidential duty, so these are separate issues. >> does the fact, in the new york hush money trial, the fact that he brought up the issue that, if i'm not correct, part

of the transaction of the payment happened when he became president, prior, and that's in the scandal was, that michael cohen was involved in, there was a time he was saying you have to ask michael cohen. is there a window in which prior to being president and during presidency, that could be applied? >> most likely not, even though he signed a check while he was president, a check that went to michael cohen, that ultimately went to stormy daniels, it all related back to conduct that took place before he became president and he was sort of wrapping it up it was in no way a presidential duty and i've not team are you it was a presidential duty. >> carol and molly, thank you . still ahead, what to do about major ethics concerns on the supreme court. congresswoman stansbury has an idea. she joins me, next. nering

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two high-stakes cases, trump immunity and abortion bill axis, confidence in the supreme court is in the gutter. a recent poll shows a whopping 60% of u.s. adults disapprove of the job the supreme court is doing. it's actually quite easy to see why. there is justice clarence thomas is questionable ties to republican mega-donors, which includes expensive, paid luxury vacations, samuel alito's undisclosed fishing trips with gop billionaire, pulsing or, and chief justice john roberts his wife, jane roberts, making millions recruiting lawyers to prominent law firms, some of which have had businesses as well, before the court. house democrats have had enough. representatives introduced a bill to tackle ethics concerns,

the judicial ethics enforcement act of 2024. this bill has gained support from congressman adam schiff and would create an office of the inspector general to ensure accountability for justices sitting on the supreme court. congresswoman stansbury joins me now. great to have you back on the show. very important piece of legislation that you and others have introduced. we know the court released its first formal code of ethics in november and it was criticized for lacking enforcement mechanisms, it didn't really include any new roles that would address the lapses that we've seen from some of the justices recently. how did that play into your decision to introduce the bill, and why now? >> thank you for having me. it's very clear that this is one of the most captured courts, probably ever in american history and if we need any evidence of that, besides the enormous gifts, the travel. we

know that the justices have been availing themselves of these things and we've seen in the decisions they hand down day after day. look at the dobbs decision, which we know the effort to overturn roe versus wade was funded by large donors and organizations that are tied to trump and the speaker of the house. look at the second decision, which dotted the clean water act. look at voting rights. all of these things are related to a multi-decade effort to stack the court with justices that have conservative values that align with wealthy donors, and the court will not police itself. we introduce this bill to put into place an external body that would answer to the court and to congress and would establish an investigator and inspector general that would

provide oversight and accountability, to restore faith and truth to the court so that the public can understand what is actually happening in the court and police what is happening inside of the court and how the justices conduct themselves. >> give us a sense of how that's being received. it will require bipartisan support. do you have republican colleagues who share your concerns in a meaningful way, and how do you think this is been received by the courts, whose argument has been that congress does not have an oversight role to play over the supreme court behavior? >> well, the founding fathers, when they set up three branches of government, intended for there to be checks and balances. the role of congress is to write the laws, ensure that we are doing appropriate policing of our agencies, and the judiciary is supposed to police at golf. court, up and down, from the

district court level down to the local court level, have enforceable codes of ethics that the supreme court has refused to adopt. it will not police itself. we spent many months vetting this bill with constitutional scholars to understand how it into place of checks and balances and the separation of powers. this is the best way to make sure there is a culture of transparency brought to this body by having them shed the light on what is happening in the court and ultimately report to congress what's going on. that is how this bill deals with it and we are hoping that in the process, it also encourages the court and those acting in the shadows to do so. now, do you think republicans will jump on board overnight? we've talked about this. there are republicans in the house and in the senate who

care very much about our constitution and care very much about what's happening to our institutions in this country, but we are also seeing actors, most of whom are supported by trump, who are set on undermining our institutions. we just had an oversight hearing a couple weeks ago as part of the impeachment inquiry circus, that has been ongoing for months and months, and the attorney representing one of the clients that the house republicans called was on one of those trips with clarence thomas. do we think that house republicans will jump on this bill? i don't think so, but it's got to be part of a good government and democracy package. >> let me ask you about the overall lack of confidence americans have right now, and trust, specifically, in the supreme court, as a mentioned

that it's the lowest it has been in decades. do you hope that moves like this, or do you think that moves like this will be enough to restore that trust what you think it will take something larger than simply this legislation? >> i think that we are at an inflection point in our democracy and in american trust in our institutions that was eroded, substantially, with the election of donald trump in his behavior, and all of the individuals and other institutions in his continued attacks alongside foreign adversaries. house democrats and democrats across the board are working to restore the trust, passing an international package to support our allies abroad, especially ukraine in its fight against putin and its essential to restoring trust and democracy and security across the world, introducing legislation, as house democrats

have, to address the influence of money in politics and restore the voting rights act and trust in the judiciary. these are all essential parts of restoring that trust, but we have a long road ahead of us in terms of restoring faith by the american public in our institutions, which has been eroded by donald trump the last several years. >> there is no doubt it will be a long road and that's more reason to why this is important on that recovery. congresswoman stansberry, thank you. coming up, from newsrooms to college campuses, a growing trend of censorship when it comes to israel's war in gaza. ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor

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as the academic year comes to a close, thousands of students across the country are gearing up for graduation, but at the university of southern california's commencement ceremony, one key event is missing. university announced that it had canceled plans for a graduation speech by their valley toward -- valedictorian this year, citing safety concerns. her selection immediately sparked controversy on campus with several pro-israel groups demanding the university reconsider its decision, citing pro-palestinian social media post from the valedictorian, who is muslim, which they say were anti-semitic. she said she had not yet planned the substance of her remarks when usc pulled the plug and she, along with other

critics of the decision say they believe the school canceled the speech because of her public support for palestinians. in a statement, university officials said the decision had nothing to do with freedom of speech, saying in part, "there is no free-speech entitlement to speak at a commencement. the issue is how best to maintain campus security and safety. " however, the university has not elaborated on exactly what safety concerns motivated this decision. for years, free speech on college campuses has been a favorite topic among conservatives who argue, and accused the education system of silencing those who don't agree. so surely, those same critics who decry canceled culture would be outraged over this apparent cancellation, right? wrong. so far, nothing but critics from the canceled culture crowd , but this isn't the first time pro-palestinian speech has been

censored in recent months. texas governor greg abbott and ron desantis have cracked down on pro-palestinian student groups, urging public universities to revise free- speech policies to specifically target these groups. this policing of language, when it comes to israel's conduct on the war in gaza extends beyond our universities. according to a report released by the intercept, the new york times instructed journalists to avoid certain words when covering the war. that includes restricting the use of terms like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" which have legal meaning and directs journalists not to use the term "refugee camps" to describe certain settlements in gaza. despite the facts that these are recognized as refugee camps and host hundreds of thousands of registered refugees. the times cautions staff from using words like slaughter and massacre, which they say "

convey more emotion than information," but in their own reporting on the war, such language has been used repeatedly to describe attacks against israelis by palestinians and almost never in the case of large-scale killing of palestinians at the hands of the israeli military. these examples are part of a larger pattern that has come into focus in the last few months, the weaponization of language, especially language against the state of israel or in support of the palestinian people. let's consider a phrase i'm sure you've heard a lot by now, "from the river to the sea, palestine will be free." it comes from the only -- it has been described as an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and coexistence, but it appears the representative colleagues don't agree. tuesday, the house pants -- past resolution condemning the phrase, arguing that it calls

for the destruction of the state of israel. there's no denying america has an ugly history of anti- semitism, which continues into the present. according to the anti- defamation league, 2023, anti- semitic incidents jumped hundred 40% compared to the previous year. the adl tried more incidents in 2023 than in any of the previous three years combined, but upon closer inspection, that raises serious questions, because in 2023, the adl marked any rally or demonstration were protesters uttered the phrase as an anti-semitic incidents, a drastic change in its own criteria. we've seen words or phrases that were not previously defined as anti- semitic being re-contextualized and in some cases, redefined in front of our very own eyes. that's the cultural moment we find ourselves in, one where a

star students chance to speak it to her peers has been ripped away as quickly as it was given to her. so, what message do we want to send to her? that in order to succeed, you must stay silent about your beliefs? the systemic silencing of one side of the debate is not the hallmark of a healthy or vibrant democracy. in order to have a debate, have the free exchange of ideas, we can't keep moving the goal posts, deciding who can speak and who can't, what causes do deserve a platform and which should be d platform, and what words we are allowed to use, and which are off-limits. in order for speech to be truly free, it must apply to everyone, regardless of whether or not you may agree with it. usc valedictorian joins us next. vaccinated, it could still be you. i'm too old if you're under 45,

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the university that they were canceling your speech over " safety concerns." have they given you any reasons or details as to what those concerns were? >> yeah, it was unexpected, for sure. i think i was a little disappointed in my university, especially because they've had my back all four years that i've been at u.s.. this was not the greatest feeling, for sure. i think what was the toughest part about it is that i received no details as to what the security concerns were. i care about safety and ultimately, if i were given concerns, i would've made the necessary steps but i was not given a reason to believe that security was the basis of the decision. >> there were several pro- israel groups who demanded the university rescind that your selection due to pro- palestinian social media. do you believe that was a factor in the decision by the university to not allow you to give this valedictorian speech?

>> yeah, i had some material on my instagram that was pro- palestinian and i think that invited, unfortunately, a lot of hatred. some of it was a valid academic position or ideological position but a lot was unfortunately plain islamophobia and plain racism. i think the pressure of that hatred campaign definitely played a role in the university's decision and i am sure multiple factors were at play, but i would say that's possibly one of the biggest. >> i'm sure you saw this friday, the situation continues to spiral out of control. you had the usc, announcing it would eliminate all outside speakers, including john chu, the director of "crazy rich asians," billie jean king, citing the circumstances now surrounding the event.

what is your reaction to that and how quickly this situation is spiraling? do you think this could have been preemptive in case one of the invited speakers chose not to show up or perhaps express solidarity with you or to try to dilute the fact that this is about you and more about public safety? >> i think that's definitely a possibility. i have no idea, personally, but what i'll say is i was at a dinner when i got the news and i got many tax and i think that my first reaction was, ultimately, hurts, because my class has worked so hard for graduation and i know that we deserve a commencement that is true to the work we have put in and i think it's also a tough factor to know that most of us are from the high school class of 2020. we didn't receive our high school graduation, either. for this to be the not

traditional commence meant we've been looking forward to for some, it's one of the biggest moments of our lives. it's honestly so tough and i think that everyone is on the same page about wanting to celebrate, and wanting to have fun for the work that we've done . it's tough. >> i'm sure you're aware, certainly, there's been a debate in this country, and certainly those on the right complained about attacks on free speech on college campuses. they claim it stifles the free exchange of ideas and am curious if you've received any support from council culture crowds or do their free-speech protections seem to have ideological limitations when it comes to people speaking up on behalf of palestinians? >> i have seen both. i think there are people who might not agree with my views who are still fighting for my ability to speak and their people who don't agree with me who don't want me to speak.

there's definitely not a homogenous set of people, and i think there are people with wildly different perspectives were wildly different reactions to the issue. what i will say is that for me, i see free-speech and academic discourse as integral to university culture and it's important we remain consistent with the way we apply free- speech and encourage free-speech and there should not be, for example, double standards or inconsistencies with how we apply this freedom. >> do you think there is currently a double standard in what you are seeing in your own personal example and across colleges in america, like with happening at columbia university and elsewhere in this country against those who want to speak up on behalf of palestinians? >> honestly, yes. unfortunately, it's a bit of an inconsistency when it comes to applying for his age and i think that everyone should be

welcome to put their views on the table and that is what academic discourse is. student app to visit them -- student activism is as american as apple pie, and that is where we should be most available and free to make our opinions known, most available to protest. my brothers and sisters at columbia, at berkeley, we are making change. we are using our voices and we are amplifying one another and if we are not doing it on college campuses where discourse is supposed to be encouraged, where can we? free-speech must be applied consistently and it is most important and has the most gravity on college campuses, for sure. >> tell us what you want to see happen, next. are you going to see recourse against your right in the university, silencing your speech or canceling your speech, are you going to pursue that and what do you plan on doing with the momentum you

have for your speech? will you deliver that? >> i think that my duty, my principal, is to make sure that students who come in the future feel encouraged and feel free to express their views, no matter what those views might be. i think that keeping my options open about how to best set that precedent, but i love my university. the university is giving the everything and it's giving me the education i am using to make my voice heard in the world right now. it is something i am thinking about, but when it comes to, can you repeat the second part of your question? >> more or less, what are you going to do now? you won't be able to address your classmates at your commencement. is there a message you'd like to share with them or any other

soon-to-be graduate at this moment? >> my message to the graduate right now is, we have been given such a wonderful education. we have learned how to learn and it's upon us, it's the responsibility upon us to learn about the world and make decisions and make change. if we are not using our education in this way, we are not doing to respect to the education that not a lot of people in this world received. my fellow graduates, on a larger level, this should not happen to anyone else and this should be a precedent for people speaking up for their values, absolutely. >> thank you, congratulations on being valedictorian. no one can take that from you and we appreciate everyone --

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