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opening statements begin on monday. and according to the judge, quote, this trial is starting. so long we have been using the word erosion on trump's institutions and america's faith in them f. this week's spectacle showed us any, the term "erosion" the flow of water, slow and steady, might be under stating the immediate danger. we should think of the harm done to the structure of our democracy like a tidal wave, flash flooding possible. try as we might to board up the windows to be kept from being swept away there is damage more and more every second. some jurors so frightened or intimidated from doing their basic civic duty that some were moved to tears in the courthouse as they were today for fear of retaliation. you can see it in the way the disgraced president lies in the case and the way everyone is in if. he conditioned his followers to

distrust anything and everything outside the sealed mega bubble. the executive director of protect democracy described it to us like this. >> i think perhaps one of the most corrosive areas that we face is the unleashing of termites in the foundations of our system that trump and his allies unleash by sewing doubt in the trust that we historically had in our institutions. by suggesting that courts can not be trusted, that juries can't be trusted, that every actor here is acting corruptly, it is undermining that trust that is perhaps one of the greatest long-term threats to the viability and future success of this country. a democracy depends on a certain degree of trust. the systems are never perfect. we have been in the prosy of improving them. when you get trump and his allies sewing the doubt, none of it can be trusted? that is when the whole thing

begins to collapse. >> now, with a panel of 12 jurors and six alternate jurors assembled and empanelled with a purpose and mission of determining trump's criminal fate we are left to wonder if the title wave crashing around us will get us. it is that we will get to with our favorite experts and friends. to with our favorite experts and friends. msnbc legal analyst, but we start with my friend and colleague msnbc legal correspondent lisa ruben just came out of the courtroom for us. >> the courtroom we are in, on the 15th floor. one of the more dreary places i have been in a courthouse t. is wood paneled but it has no art whatsoever. there are more cords than there are anything else and they are stapled to the wall. and the one thing that it is as

in this courtroom clearly is "in god we trust" yet that courtroom is where something extraordinary happened this afternoon. judge had to go through things that were litigated if not once, twice. in setting forth the rulings on things, he said, i am reading from my notes" you can notton submit premotion letters asking to revisit every ruling. i entertained your motions in good faith. at some point you have to accept this court's rulings. we are having opening statements monday. >> at some 90 that donald trump started to stand up and he said sir, we are not finished and sit down. donald trump was incredibly humbled by that but peeved. when he walked out he usually scans the press in attendance

at every hearing i have been through with him. this is my fourth trump trial in the last year. he looked dead straight ahead and his lips persed in that trump way and just was like shaking his head as he was walking out. just so angry that he has finally met a wall that he can not tear down and judge merchan has been harsh with the difference but not in a harsh tone of voice. he is making clear this is his courtroom, we are going to have opening statements on monday. and when susan said i need to know who our witnesses are going to be. i will ask you to renew that motion from us. we are requesting to know. we don't want to have delay. merchan cut her off saying there will be no delay. we will give you on the name of our first and our only witness on monday. we will commit to you that you will not get to cross- examination. if we see that person's name in any tweets or posts by your

client, that will be the last time we grant you that courtesy. nicole? >> that is fascinating. it has not started yet and the prosecutors are already giving them, attorneys eyes only information because this trial needs to be protected from the defendant himself. take me inside what the final day of jury selection, they were sleeking the final alternates today. >> i know today is taylor swift day and i am a huge swiftie but the theme of today if we had to put it in a song is david bowie and queen's "under pressure" you saw juror upon juror, or perspective juror upon juror crack and show their nervousness in participating in this proceeding. we had a young woman who said that her father was friends with a, let's call him a big nemesis of the former president and eventually when she was questioned about her ability to

stay impartial and her feelings burst into tears, rather mild mannered person even though she was forceful in her words she say mild manner person in her own, and yet this perspective juror burst into tears and taken to a sidebar to explore why she was so nervous and anxious. she was excused. a perspective juror who said, i don't know why i keep getting these notices but i committed a crime and i served crime in another state and i am not eligible to serve and i am here and started to tear up about the conviction, again, taken privately to a sidebar with the parties where upon judge merchan inquired with the commissioner of courts and learned why she could be eligible to serve if she had a certificate of her release it would depend on the circumstances of each case if she can serve as a juror.

he excused her and she walked out and had the best line of the whole day. she sang out, good luck! she knows exactly what those who are actually seated are in for. you could tell that while she was trying to do her civic dutiy and comply with the law she was none to happy about being there or ultimately faced with the prospect of serving on that jury and was relieved to be release flood under pressure is perfect that is what it felt like as you watched the tragic events take part outside of the courthouse. take me through what happens on monday. >> on monday, we will start opening statements. >> those of us on the list of press, me included for this network. will be in the courtroom itself. that is different from the last couple of days from jury selection. and then, the prosecution will

get their opportunity to go through their theory of the case. now, you know, in the press we are gearing to -- referring it to the hush money case but that is not at all. 35 counts of falsifying business records in order to commit or conceal another crime. i should note, that the intent to commit a crime obviously would be one that donald trump would want to commit himself but attempt to conceal that can be someone else's crime. you know that the district attorney is going to fight to elicit from michael cohen he pled guilty to a federal election law violation. they will not only speak to elicit those facts but the fact of his plea and that in pleading guilty that was his formal break from donald trump under whose spell he had fallen for a number of years as the first person donald trump spoke to in the morning and the last person he spoke to at night. when he decided to plea out and

confess to his crimes that was the ultimate break between donald trump and michael cohen who are fierce nemesis and will face a showdown in the case. expect the district attorney to preview that for us. in contrast what you will hear from the defense is really going to be not so much a contest of what actually happened but if trump understood what was going on here and in repaying michael coehen he knew he was covering up the payments. we will see when they each flush out their cases for us. >> thank you very much for your service on behalf of all of your colleagues. thank you for joining us. it is extraordinary this is where we are. her last point there, the facts are established by trump's own justice department, right? trump's individual one in the sentencing memo. it feels like some of there is sort of getting back to

established facts that have never been in dispute. and you would look at this case and say this guy is down bad. there are 34 counts against him. it would appear that he is guilty as sin but at the moment he is out of the slammer and justice does not happen in a fortnight. >> paging rv . >> the tortured poetry of his attorneys. joking aside i think the facts have been long established and we can see that in this case and the 34 counts go far beyond just the stormy daniels case. and the hush money. catch and kill conspiracy alleged here timed around the election. it is a bigger story to be told. i think some of the things that lisa noted that is hanging over this entire trial. we know trump had a dog whistle

but he has one packed with dynamite. every look he makes, the stern gazes she described leaving the courtroom going person by person that is not accidental. he is not excited to look each of the people in the eye because he wants to invite them to christmas. people are worried that every move in that courtroom. and designed to intimidate. it is is alarming and the judge is walking a difficult line. the dog whistle, though, when he is as there is an invasion people shoot up walmarts in texas. when there is a replacement, people shoot up grocery stores in new york. when he says an election was stolen they storm the capitol. that is just when he is using his dog whistle, a wink and a nod he wants them to do

something. when donald trump directly identifies an enemy and highlights whose turned against him he ruins people's lives in their entirety. what is poetic in a sense of the trial is that you will see him sitting across from michael cohen. if you agree or not from the charges that michael cohen faced and the life he served, he was hellbent on ruining in anticipation of the fact that this man, his lawyer, most trusted aids can testify against him and take him down that is what he does. he will not stop with michael cohen. he will make people involved in this trial he will make them pay for being involved in it. >> there is, everything in our system is designed to protect donald trump's rights. he is innocent until proven guilty. and, donald trump seems

hellbent on perverting a system that is set to protect him. and there are a lot of things here. there are benefits, and the system is designed to ensure that the defendants have a lot of rights. it is designed, they often say, to ensure that it is better than 10 guilty people go free than that one innocent person be convicted. there are a lot of rights designed to protect the defendant. yet as you say, donald trump is attacking that system that has all of these benefits for him. and it will tell you, their job is to preserve and protect the constitution and to make sure the system works because it has to work with the defenders and work against people who are innocent. we will see where donald trump

falls. and i also think a big part of what he is trying to do here, nicole, is to condition the public. if he can undermind the legitimacy of the court and convicted it does not matter. i told you, the court isil legitimate. >> i make those comments myself, the thing that people ponder is that he does not have an opportunity to appeal every decision and judge merchan said that. the trial starts monday. i think it is he is in violation of a gag order that exists f. it applied to me, miles or you, if we violated it once we would be fined, twice, again, three times, four times, maybe they would talk about --

he violated it a dozen times. the tools that exist in the system people don't seem willing to use them on him. what do you have to say about that? >> reporter: oftentimes judges are reluctant to sanction defendants because they want to make sure they are giving, having a vigorous defense and free to do all of the things they want to do. i agree with you. i think there is a worry here that trump is baiting them and they are just giving him what he wants the image of trump being fined or jailed for contempt for violating the gag order is one that they can use and it will be one that he uses to attack the credibility and to raise the temperature on this. the judges want to bring calm not chaos. calm cools down. let's get the trial done and not worry about sideshows. trump is all about chaos and creating all of this sideshow it is part of his game plan.

so, if the judge takes the bait and jails him, i think there is some concern that the judge is taking his eye off of the ball. that is getting the case tried to and averted. >> i always thought the road to hell is paved with trying to figure out what trump will do. >> his supporters do not believe in the legitimacy of the charges. these are not in dispute by trump unlike mar-a-lago where trump is running on that. president of the united states you can do it. he is running for president alongside the other insurrectionists. he is not running on his alleged affair with stormy daniels or mcdougal or the checks haddie wrote from the oval office, he is not running on the facts because these are not facts he wants throughout >> no, and even worse that than. all he is looking to do is create symbols for more people to buy into the narrative he

has created. this narrative that justice is against him. there are some republicans that don't believe it but play believe if they saw him in handcuffs because they would say that is too far. he wants to be seen as a martyr in the alt right. he is trying to bait as barb had said, the, you know, official in all of these cases to step over what his supporters would consider a line and create that scenario. i remember debating this during the trump administration with someone famously said they hope donald trump would be removed from the oval office in a straight jacket and he would handcuff himself to the resolute desk. i think you know come senior official i am referring to. i disagreed at the time that would send the message that this guy was out of his mind, trump knew if they had to pry him out of the white house it would look to his supporters

like he was a martyr and overreach. i worry here, that on his part is going to put the judge in an extraordinarily difficult position. he does not want trump to have that. he wants to be in a manner that is consistent. it is a manner that is difficult. >> so, can my study of awe took autocracy, they are normal supporters. what they like, don't like, pictures they like. you know, page one by timothy snyder talks about the power that is given away. so it would appear if you put that lens over this, the power that is given away is the power to hold trump to the same legal standards that any of us would

be handed. >> trump is getting a wid with more in -- getting away with more than any other defendant would be for the reasons that your prior guest suggested. it does not look like he is held to the same standards. another problem going on here, just like donald trump did with an election that he knew he was going to lose. i think he sees ahead to the fact that he is going to lose this case and whatever other trials, criminal trials will be brought against him. so, what he is trying to do is deligimate the whole thing. he is trying to do that for the courts that are going to convict him while praising the ones that may not. so, i want to contrast with you saying in this case of what he is saying about the judge in florida who made many rulings in his favor and he does not

hesitate to praise her. suggesting every judge is on the red team or the blue team. and only trust the red team judges and not the blue team judges and that is kind of a decision for ordinary antics. one of the things that autocats do is no rules of law and the facts presented are the determined outcomes in a political matter. everything gets politicalized. that is dangerous for our future even if he is convicted and even if he loses the election. this is the kind of stain that does not go away with just one trial. >> you know, kim it always has a long, there is a real long ark to this. when he became president and i

think he first alarmed general kelly, miles knows well, he constantly talked about my generals, my generals. he meant kelly and maddis they were not the military leaders they were my generals. i remember him saying in an interview with the "new york times" he wanted his bobby kennedy. he viewed them as being on the team of the president's they served which of course is ridiculous and he talks about my blacks. incredibly during derogatory thing to say. >> and the thing in the office is occupants pass through them, free and fair elections so people can throw the bums out when they want to. but the thing about autocracy, the office is identified with the person. so the person, you know, claims

to own the office, claims to be above the constitution, and claims to be the final word in the system so that everyone put loyalty to the autocrat and not the framework. we are seeing that process advanced in the way that trump talks about all of the institutions, the military of course really pushed back on that and the judiciary is pushing back on that. again, the concern here is that it begins to look like everybody is on one political team or another and i think it is crucial that your process, of the facts and the law, really come forward. i think that, what i am relieved about is that we are getting to a trial. we are getting to a trial in front of an experienced judge who has shown he is not going to take all of the nonsense with politics. once we get to presenting evidence it might get better.

because i hope people decide inside the courtroom is not a space for politics >> thank you very much for starting us off. miles sticks around for the hour. we will continue to monitor the courtroom. we will be joined by a prosecuting attorney and the similarities between the trump trials so far in cases brought against the mob far in cases brt against the mob because t-mobile is helping power operations and experiences for hundreds of thousands of fans with reliable 5g connectivity. now's the time to accelerate your business. sup? -who are you? with reliable 5g connectivity. i'm your inner child. get in. listen, what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. what happened to my inner child craving love and acceptance? how about you love and accept this? p-p-p-p-powershot!

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that is how he speaks. he does not give you questions, he does not give you orders. he speaks in a code. and i understand that code because i have been around him for a decade. >> of course, that is michael cohen. he already served a prison sentence for his involvement in the hush money payments. he is describing there donald trump and how he operates like a true mob boss, his first

criminal trial has had many of the hallmarks of trying to prosecute one. criminal division deputy chief msnbc legal analysts, christie greenberg, she was at the courthouse. miles is still with us. so, we were peppering you with questions during the break. tell us about your thoughts of the jury that has been paneled. >> reporter: i think day one there are were a few questionable jurors, one of them luckily excused because they found out he had a prior arrest. some of them, a few red flags. somebody that says they have, follows the news and says they follow lawsuits and is up-to- date on things but has absolutely no opinion about trump's character that strikes me as far-fetched. most people has an opinion about his character. it would strike me more believable if that person said i have an opinion but i can set it aside and be impartial and focus on the facts and the law when they were trying too hard

to seem neutral, those jurors seemed like they were red flags. a lot of the jurors were excused and not picked but there are a few on the jury. so, that will be interesting to watch as we proceed. >> what do you make of the anxiety that has been described. >> so, juror number two the nurse who found herself being outed on national tv it was heartbreaking. the judge said she would have been a good juror. she was ready to be fair and impatient and because she was outed now all of a sudden she finds messages, she is scared, she is criticized, prejudging how she would vote before anything has even started or any evidence presented. it has to be a difficult situation for somebody not in this arena at all. just there to do their civic jury. it is unfortunate and it needs

to stop. >> this is before the jury was selected, before they had seen any evidence, before anyone glared at them, before they made any reactions. what do you, what do you do to protect the jurors in the coming days >> for starters, one thing that they changed from monday to now is on monday it was striking to me that all of the jurors you could identify who they were. they were outside holding their juror slips and waiting for at least 30 minutes outside, right across from where all of these protests were going on. right across from the press line. so, people were interviewing them. you know, as the press wants to do. people are talking to them. people could of taken photos. that needs to stop and it seems like it has. they are no longer waiting out there. no longer near the protests, that kind of intimidation and concern for their safety seems to have been addressed. going forward, i mean, information about them has been public but making sure people

are not taking photos and making sure they are on a side entrance and someone in law enforcement they can speak to if there were threats or intimidation. those are the things i expect to be in place when we get started on monday. >> what do you do to protect people who may not be followed home and threatened, you know at knife point but feel the climate and feel afraid by the political climate? >> i think it is really hard. it is challenging to do. a lot of the jurors knew what that climate was, most of the jurors like each group of 96 you had 50 or so saying i can not be fair and impartial. i can not do it. they were not probed and got to leave. those that were spooked by the climate selected themselves off. the people who stayed are people who i think have an understanding of the risk and choosing to do their civic

duty. we should applaud them for doing that. >> what do you make of what is about to happen on monday morn something judge merchan today saying to trump's legal team, enough, we can not relitigate every pretrial motion we start monday? >> i think we will start monday. i think it will be a day. i will be camped out in line for hours waiting to get in. i think, but i think in terms of the trial itself it is going to be routine. you are going to hear opening arguments from both sides, the witnesses will be called. the jury will be there to, you know, take notes and understand what is going on and i do thank this judge is running a tight ship. the trial itself it is not going to be, you know, having the kind of fireworks that maybe we would have expect give what led up to now >> what do you think it does to someone like trump who does not stand producing his own show. >> he will find a way.

you saw it with the trip he made the other day. his team is sitting down and thinking about what can we do while we are in the area? what can we do while we are in the courtroom, his legal team is trying to stick as much paper against the wall to gum up the works even if it buys up the freedom. they want that hour. they think it will benefit them in the eyes of their supporters they will try anything. it will be a look that trump gives to a person and a comment he makes. the way he described leaving the courtroom. they are going to look for every single opportunity to politicalize this and create spectacle. going back to the jury again. we are talking so much about how this is unprecedented to have a former president on criminal trial, but i have to say those 12 people are in an unprecedented position, never in the history of this country have we had people sit in the jury box in this type of situation and also in an

environment with this kind of pressure. now, i will take your point that the volks in the jury box are people who went in clear eyes. a couple years ago. backed by the full force of the government. i worry, i think they will have to take extraordinary measures in this case.

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>> no, i am not aware. i was focused on protecting a dozen or so members trapped. we were working on figuring out how to barricade the doors to prevent access to the gallery and then eventually had to find an escape route out. it was a very difficult situation. and luckily thanks to the courage of the u.s. capitol police we were able to find our way to safety. >> and, i guess my point is, this is not somebody who believes in treating all protesters the same. the op-ed for which there was much sort of attention around was about using the insurrection act on the protest erupted for george floyd. he is for, his words, forcibly removing, removing with force protesters he calls them pro- hamas protesters, most of them

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i would be hard-pressed to happening of a time so many threats of our possible safety and national security were so elevated all at once. but now, increasingly concerning, is the potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland, a kin to the isis-k attack that we saw at the russia concert hall just a few weeks ago >> that was fbi director christopher ray on his own assessment of the threat environment here in the united states. this heightened danger that his bureau and other security officials flagged again on friday over domestic violent extremism. small groups, lone wolf actors that could be inspired to carry

out attacks right here. 29 years ago this week the united states saw single deadliest act of domestic terrorism in our country's history the bombing of a federal building in oklahoma city. it killed 168 people that day. the number included 19 children in a daycare. injured hundreds of others. a brand-new hbo documentary film explores the surge in antigovernment extremist white nationalist movement and home grown political violence before and after april 19th, 1995. emotionally charged warnings from those that lost loved ones in the attack. let's watch.. >> i heard a very loud explosion. from downtown oklahoma city. >> i think april 19th, okay. two years earlier. >> april 19th was the siege in waco. >> my life and experience told me this was a home grown plot. >> this was a plan that was

hatched 10 years earlier. >> during the late '70s, '80s. there was anger against the federal government exploitation of firearms. >> everyone in the movement saw the farm grasses as the government making war with the american people. >> the white power movement recruited active duty troops, veterans, notably timothy mcveigh. >> he was part of the group that wanted to declare it. >> mcveigh was a tragic example of the guy that thought our differences were more important than what we have in common. >> turning now award winner katie couric. the war to april 19th. michael levin. yes. >> i think about, i think about oklahoma city all of the time

when we cover the various warnings that come out of the department of homeland security. because it represents the worst case scenario, tell me how you came to make this film. >> well, i did a film 28 years ago for nbc called "oklahoma city one year later" with bill moyers. i was there in the aftermath. stayed connected to a number of people i met back then and then katie was over at our friends at hbo talking about some ideas she had and it came up because she was there also and they said you two should get together. we did, we hit it off and that is how it started. >> you were there for the "today show"? >> yes. yes. i will never forget that day. i think it happened an hour after we were off of the air. it was pure chaos and one of the things nicole that i remember was that everyone thought it was islamic terrorism and that was sort of

the narrative that was happening for the first hour or so. because i think we could not really conceive of the idea that an american had done this to other americans. but i think what mark does so brilliantly in this film is really trace the evolution of this movement and the fact that it really started in the early '80s in arkansas and kind of mettasticized through the decades and april 19th obviously became a significant day. not simply because of waco and oklahoma city but because of patriots day and what this day has come to symbolize to this far right extremist movement. >> and waco. talk about the connection in oklahoma city and waco. >> it is amazing. mark and his producer discovered video of timothy mcveigh at waco. you know, he was handing out antigovernment brochures and

you know, talking to a lot of people. we had sound bites from him at waco. he -- sound bytes from him at waco. he was upset about the government overreach there and what exactly was he upset about in waco? >> he was upset that the same military vehicles that he had used in the gulf war were being used against american citizens. and in his mind to see the militarization of law enforcement . >> but it was also the drugs. >> the drug angle. >> that was the atf. came up with a rational, really. >> yes. a rational so it would make it legit to use military movement. that was one of his grievances was the war on drugs and the militarization of law enforcement. when he saw those tanks puncturing and firing tear gas into the compound he said that

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