good afternoon, and good to be with you. i'm jose diaz-balart in for katy tur. court has wrapped in new york city. it was a day of routine appearances from a slate of custodial and lesser known witnesses, all setting up the major testimony we expect to be hearing on monday from the other man at the center of this hush money case, michael cohen. multiple sources tell nbc news donald trump's former fixer is expected to take the stand for several days. what today's testimony about cohen's phone records could tell us about the prosecution's strategy next week and what cohen's appearance signals about the overall timing of this trial. could he be the final person we hear from? or could donald trump himself take the stand later as he has

suggested he could do. the prosecution knows when it might rest. we have a whole lot to cover. i want to get right into it. joining us now, is nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin who was inside the courtroom today. senior judge and professor at florida international school of law, phillip, and former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york and so much more, john sail, he, by the way, turned down the opportunity to join trump's defense team in the florida documents case. lisa, you were in the courtroom today. certainly a different ambience, certainly different issues that were discussed today. bring us to speed on what we heard? >> so jose, we heard the remaining testimony from madeleine westerhout, and she was really finishing up her cross-examination. one of the issues that prosecutors tried to establish through her is that trump not only had responsibility for signing each one of the nine

checks written in his name personally to michael cohen, but that he knew what he was doing when he was doing that. and i thought the defense was mildly successful at sort of muddying that up, saying that trump, yes, for the most part he knew what he was signing it when he was signing it. today, getting an admission from madeleine westerhout, that he sometimes signed documents, whether they were commissions or checks in the oval office while he was doing other things and that he was a great multitasker. after she got off the stand, we heard from a number of custodial witnesses, including someone from at&t, someone from verizon, and then two paralegals at the manhattan d.a.'s office who were used to basically bring in evidence that couldn't come in through other people. not only phone records through at&t and verizon, but some additional tweets by donald trump as well as what we would call summary records. that's when prosecutors or defendants put a bunch of different materials that are

already in evidence together and try and synthesize them to make them easier and more digestible for the jury to understand. so for example, they've got an exhibit now that lists each and every one of the 34 business records that correspond to a felony count with which donald trump has been charged. in order to put that together, without that summary chart, the jury would have to go through dozens and dozens of pages. now they've got that all neatly presented to them in a chart identifying which business records of which kind, and which count against donald trump that corresponds to in the indictment. the biggest issue was a witness that probably won't ever be in the courtroom, and that's allen weisselberg. a severance agreement that allen weisselberg with the trump organization when he was sentenced in the criminal tax fraud case in 2022. they want to use that to basically explain to the jurors why allen weisselberg is not

here. judge merchan telling them today, before you suggest to the jury that he's unavailable, you need to subpoena him first and bring him in to see if he'll take the fifth amendment. that's not something the prosecutors are likely to doment i don't think we'll ever hear from allen weisselberg, nor do i think we'll end up seeing the severance agreement play in this trial. >> lisa, i have been thinking a lot about the fact and i'm probably correct in saying that you have been -- you have spent more time in that courthouse than you have at home or anywhere else until the last couple of weeks. i mean, literally, i know, you are there all the time, so we that are outside, you know, have been going through what the testimony is from the distance of, you know, google docs and everything else. take us in today to what you saw, felt or heard that maybe we that are outside and are just reading what was going on in there didn't know.

>> one thing i would want folks to know is that donald trump seemed a lot more energetic and engaged today, which is grossly disproportionate to the testimony we heard. this is not a particularly interesting, much less sensational day in court. we saw a former president who seemed to have sort of his mo jo back for lack of a better word, frequently consulting with todd blanche on one side of him, frequently whispering, watching attentively. it's almost as if he feels that things are going in his favor, and you know, jose, it's anybody's guess how things are going because i or other legal analysts can appear on the network and tell you our take on things. the only voices that matter are the 12 members of the jury and as john and phyllis know better than i do. trying to read a jury is largely an exercise in futility. wherever the former president is getting the energy from, it's not clear to me. it may be that he feels his lawyers did a good job dismantling stormy daniels story.

that wasn't my take away from watching they are testimony over a couple of days, but it may be what he got, particularly given that he tends to surround himself with sort of an echo chamber of maga friendly media, and in that world, it was a slam dunk for him. >> so, phyllis, you know, today was a day we heard among others two paralegals from, you know, before the court wrapped. certainly weren't summary witnesses. they were showing and reading information. essentially cannot come in through other ways. they were essentially confirming information, and then from the verizon and at&t folks, we were hearing, you know, what a sim card is, and how you can go from one phone to the other, using different sim cards. what was the significance, and i guess the importance of this less bombastic side of the hearing. >> so i think if we think of the entire trial as a puzzle completed, what we saw happening today were little pieces being

put into that puzzle that on its own, seems pretty insignificant. there's some colors here. when you start connecting all of that information a closing argument, for example, we start to see its importance, and i think more importantly, if you don't have those pieces, you won't be able to get that information in. >> john, what do you see as the importance of today? and then i definitely want to talk to you guys about the last 48, 72 hours in this court case, which has really changed a lot of things. certainly we have been talking about and listening about things that normally you don't hear in a court case, i guess, but what is that your take away from today? >> today is like a mechanic, in order to get all the information into evidence, they need the foundation, which usually is stipulated to. but the court cannot force the parties to stipulate.

frankly, usually you do. i cannot think of a time that i have not done that. >> can you explain what that stipulation includes? >> an agreement between the parties and they will read the stipulation, we agree if a witness were called, they would testify as follows and the court accepts the stipulation, and says ladies and gentlemen of the jury, consider this in evidence. the trump defense team has decided not to do that. i think part of it is mr. trump is in his own mind outraged, and i'm going to fight everything. it is possible as a tactical matter. the jury doesn't know that the defense didn't stipulate. so possibly the jury could get a little bit annoyed at the prosecution for such sleepy testimony, but it's necessary as a foundation to get things into evidence for the closing argument or as they say in new york for the summation. >> and so we have now on monday, expecting to hear from michael cohen. stormy daniels two-plus days on

the stand certainly had a lot of information. there is a question as to what benefit or how beneficial stormy daniels was for the prosecution. >> well, that's certainly a question, and i think we see it played out both in the direct where we saw some of the damage that could be done because she was going off the rails for lack of a better word, and then seeing it again on the cross where a lot of the information that was covered were things that may or may not have been necessarily relevant but certainly helped to establish this bias or i hate donald trump, you know, from one standpoint, who cares, why, but it certainly goes to bias, and the defense had every reason to ask those questions. i think we saw that being played out in terms of a judge looking at the testimony and evidence that's coming in, and even without objection, at some point, saying, wait, wait, we are going far too afield, and i

need to put a stop to it. >> and so far too afield could be what we could see if things go, to use your terms, off the rails on monday with the person that we're going to be hearing from, michael cohen, john, what do you think are the concerns or the things that the prosecution has to be concerned about when they finally bring in cohen to the courtroom and it could be days of testimony? >> i think if you look at david pecker, the first witness, frequently the prosecution wants to start off with a good witness and end with a good witness. i don't think that michael cohen is going to be the last witness, but i think what they're concerned about is that he testify to a point where like stormy daniels did, he demonstrates that he is so biassed he might not have told the truth. let's wait to see and hear his testimony. let me say, the whole world is watching this case, and i think that we need to be sure that

donald trump, whatever you think about him gets a fair trial. >> absolutely, and i think that's what we're seeing being played out with this judge, which is why we see the judge being vigilant about pretrial motions and orders outside of the presence of the jury in terms of deciding what to do. >> is it weird, and you know, i'm not an expert on this. i come at it with, you know, everybody else has perfunctory understanding of how the legal system works. is it usual for the judge to tell the defense, why don't you guys, like, object? is that usual, jon? >> the judge is concerned, properly so, that if there's a conviction, that's a big if, that there could be a serious appellate issue, which could lead to a reversal like in harvey weinstein. frequently the law is if you do not object, you're not preserving the record and you do not have a basis to appeal. i think the judge was protecting the record to try and make it appeal proof. >> jon sale, thank you so much. lisa, stick around.

jon, it's been a real treat to speak with you. thank you so much. when we come back, we're going to be talking more about hush money trial. and what benjamin netanyahu said about invading rafah with or without the u.s.'s support. and what led to a fatal encounter with a florida sheriff's deputy and a u.s. airman. we're back in 90 seconds. we're s network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon.

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14 past the hour. joining us now, former new york prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. always a pleasure to see you my friend, and i have a lot to ask you about, what your thoughts on this, and a whole lot more, but today, we saw a slate of a whole lot less, i guess, you know, i don't know how to even describe it, just more witnesses that are going in on details that maybe, you know, we don't understand why they're so important. a lot of evidence was put forward. what were your take aways? >> well, it's good to be with you, jose. i think that for people who may not necessarily have understood what was going on today, it is so important to know that this is the regular cadence of a trial. stormy daniels and a witness like her, these are not the witnesses that typically you see take place at the average trial. this cadence of it being relatively pedestrian, where you may have some exciting testimony at some point is much more akin to what you're going to find in

a trial, particularly at the state level for a crime like this. this is not the crime of the century in that sense. it is the trial of the century, but not necessarily the crime of the century. now in terms of the testimony that was gleaned, a lot of that is setting up michael cohen to tie everything together. you're talking about witnesses who testified around setting up meetings between donald trump and david pecker, and while they can't necessarily testify as to the content of those meetings, they can tell you about the time line. they can place donald trump close to the events, and michael cohen is going to be the one who's going to fill in the details and connect the dots, adding donald trump to the mix, and that's really what the prosecution needs. at this point, they haven't exactly placed donald trump in a space that's going to allow them to make the case that they've proven their burden, met their burden beyond a reasonable doubt, and so because of that, all of these dots that have been laid out by the witnesses and building the framework that

david pecker initially laid out are going to be connected next week by michael cohen's testimony. this is all a set up for that. >> so michael cohen's testimony, how critical is it, and how critical is it that his testimony be believed for the entire case? >> well, it is a very critical piece of the prosecutor's case. keep in mind, the one thing they have working in their favor are the documents, and the documents are what's going to sort of buttress any issues that michael cohen has on the credibility front, and i do expect that a lot of those things are going to come out. so regardless of whether the jury actually believes michael cohen, the fact that michael cohen is going to add context to certain documents and that that corroborating evidence even while circumstantial is going to fill in the gaps in terms of the other testimony we have heard from other witnesses is all the prosecution needs. at this point, though, they

haven't had someone who has been able -- >> i think -- >> fortunately the prosecution has these documents. >> charles, i just lost you for a second, but i want to go on into one of the issues of many times the defense objected today. one of the objections was against the prosecution admitting a special portion of donald trump's 1999 interview with larry king. this is what the judge said was not going to be accepted, but this was the request. >> how about campaign finance reform? >> i think nobody knows more about campaign finance than i do because i'm the biggest contributor. >> the defense was arguing that campaign finance laws then versus the time that is relevant to the case, 2015, 2016, the judge sided with the defense on this. what do these little wins mean? or do they mean anything? >> i think that they're all appropriate wins for the defense. i think that this is something

that judge merchan is doing to make sure that donald trump gets the fair trial that the constitution entitles him tochlt -- him to. it would have been inappropriate and highly prejudicial. at that point, donald trump wasn't a candidate. it doesn't go to current knowledge around what he would have known or should have known at that point when he was a candidate running for president at the time of this case. and so i don't necessarily think that it's probative in its value, and it could have been highly prejudicial. that was the right call for judge merchan! charles coleman, always a pleasure my friend, i thank you so much for being with us this afternoon, and of course we'll be discussing more on what we can expect from michael cohen later this hour, but first, it's a mess, why a negotiator working on a cease fire deal between israel and hamas says the talks apparently have collapsed. d.

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foreign correspondent richard engel. always a pleasure to see you. what's happening right now, vis-a-vis rafah? >> reporter: so i think you can't separate what's happening in rafah and what's happening with the overall negotiations. so on the ground in rafah, the israeli positions are more or less fixed. they have taken over the rafah border crossing, the palestinian side, the gazan side of that border crossing, and they have been carrying out attacks around that area. using their positions to carry out what had been described as limited attacks, precision strikes, and our crew in gaza has been documenting some of that. the fact that they are holding the border crossing has made life almost unbearable for the people in rafah, a million to a million and a half people, many who have been displaced numerous times from the north to the south. but so far, israeli troops have not crossed over what's known as

the salah hadin road, the main road to the north and south inside the gaza strip and entered the most densely populated part of rafah. it seems that they are using this as a pressure tactic to try and extract more concessions from hamas because let's not forget, jose, just a few days ago, hamas offered publicly, which was a surprise tactic, to release all of the hostages that it's holding, all of the israelis, all of the foreigners, in exchange for a list of concessions. it caught israel by surprise. israel says that the concessions that hamas was asking for were too much and at the same time, it moved into rafah so it seems this is a way for israel to put pressure on hamas, put pressure on the negotiators, and also put pressure physically on the hamas fighters because according to the israeli government, there are still four battalions of

hamas militants located in the rafah area. but for the people who are in rafah and the hostages, it is even more pressure on them after a situation months of an unbearable situation. >> and i know, richard, that you have been speaking to families of hostages as well as to folks inside rafah, and you know, throughout the gaza strip. the statement by hamas earlier this week was -- i believe it was to release 33, 34 hostages, there were more than 130 hostages still in hamas hands as far as we all know because of what happened after the october 7th massacre. what's the discrepancy in the numbers there? >> the hamas tape was actually to release all of them. the 33 were supposed to come in the first stage. it was described as a

three-phased deal with 33 coming out in the first tranche, the rest coming out in the second, and then the third being a reconstruction phase. but the israelis and the palestinians have been fighting both privately in the negotiating teams and publicly through statements about what exactly this document says and what it should say. the israelis were complaining that the mention of this 33 was insufficient, was that all, what about the rest. hamas had been talking about, if it didn't have enough live hostages, it might supplement bodies to arrive at that 33 number. but generally, when looked at as a whole, no, the offer was to free all of the hostages in exchange for a full israeli withdrawal from the gaza strip, which is also something that israel says it is not willing to do because it wants to maintain a security presence there. so the two sides were earlier this week, perhaps the closest

they have ever been to reaching an agreement, because hamas had never said that it was willing to release all of the hostages and spelled out terms, even some americans negotiators privately thought this was something of an encouraging sign, that there was room for discussion, and were therefore annoyed when israel moved in to rafah. but israel has moved into rafah, the force is the only language that hamas understands and that it is using this campaign to pressure hamas to weaken it militarily, and potentially strengthen its hand at the negotiating table. the negotiations are stole for now, but they're not over. >> richard engel in jerusalem, thank you, appreciate it. by the way, i'll be speaking with congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz next about what she sees as the united states-israel relationship, the importance of the united states maintaining its weapons sales to

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34 past the hour on capitol hill. president biden is facing a range of reactions to the administration's decision to hold back some weapons shipments to israel, including pressure from some top democratic lawmakers. joining us now is one of those

lawmakers, democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. congresswoman, thank you so much for your time. i always appreciate it. i know that you just put out a statement regarding the president's stance. you say you, quote, worry that public discourse could embolden hamas and that president biden should clarify his stance publicly and the u.s. and israeli should resolve this miscommunication privately. what are your concerns, and what is that miscommunication? i think the president was pretty clear in his statement that he did not want to send armaments that could be used in rafah. >> jose, thank you so much for the opportunity to talk with you about this. i'm proud that president biden has been ironclad supportive of israel during and in the after math of october 7th. he's made sure that we stood steadfastly by our ally, fought hard to make sure that we got

the national security supplemental that provided $14.3 billion to israel through and in spite of republican obstacles, multiple republican obstacles, but what i think we have here is a problem of imprecision in the communication from the president. what he said the other day left the impression that from my conversations with the white house in the last couple of days, we're not quite the way it came across. the president has said that -- and the white house is communicating to israel -- that the 2,000 pound, 500 pound dumb bombs, the ones that land, and you know, result in widespread impact, that those are not appropriate for the engagement and involvement that israel plans in rafah, and then they've also been looking for and have yet to receive a plan for

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i mean, and i don't think that the president, i'm actually confident the president is not even close to suggesting a change in the united states' support for israel. the united states, the u.s.-israel relationship is ironclad. the president has repeatedly stated that and because we have such a close relationship, it is critical that we be able to make sure that we have these kinds of communications one on one, side by side, and not have in debate play out so publicly because it leaves room for misunderstandings, and you know, look, leaving the impression of possible daylight emboldens hamas, risks emboldening hamas, and risks the possibility of it being less likely that we can get our hostages home, particularly our american hostages. look, we have to remember that hamas is eager to sacrifice as many palestinian lives as possible, and they want to maximize the civilian toll of this operation as part of their

cowardly pr campaign. that's where they're coming from. they don't care about the loss of civilian life. we need to make sure we're precise in our communication, and we leave no possibility of misperception about disability between us and israel. >> congresswoman, i want to bring your focus back here to the united states. have you been following trump's trial in new york? do you have any reaction to these last couple of weeks of testimony? >> i've had a few other things to do, like making sure that we can, you know, pass significant legislation in congress. unfortunately republicans don't seem interested in unless they're trying to protect household appliances, but i just think this is a sorted disgusting mess that demonstrates that we have a choice in november between an extremist and between someone who has steadily guided our country towards an economic improvement, creating more jobs than any president has in modern

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44 past the hour. we are following the latest out of florida. okaloosa county, specifically, where the police department has released new body camera footage showing the moment an officer shot roger forton to death. they're also calling on the sheriff's office to correct the narrative saying forton had done nothing wrong. a word of warning, the footage you're about to see may be disturbing for some viewers. >> when a deputy pulled into this florida apartment complex,

it took about three minutes for him to enter an office. >> what's going on? >> i'm not sure. >> reporter: and connect with an unidentified woman about an alleged disturbance. >> are they fighting or something? >> reporter: she eventually took him to unit 1401 where she believes the fighting originated. that's where relatives say senior airman, roger fortson was alone, face timing with his girlfriend. >> sheriff's office, open the door. >> reporter: after the deputy identifies himself twice, fortson opens up the door with a gun visible by his side but not raised. a split second later. >> step out. >> six shots are fired, and the 23-year-old's life is over. >> at any point did the okaloosa county sheriff's department say we went to the wrong department. >> the okaloosa sheriff's department has not owned up to the fact that they went to the wrong apartment as if he did something wrong. as if he was committing some

crime. he did nothing. >> reporter: we spoke to fortson's mother mika, and her lawyer, civil rights attorney, benjamin crump shortly before the video was released. >> there's a lot of doubt in my mind. roger was the only person in his apartment. they say they was answering to a disturbance, was he fighting himself? >> reporter: the family's attorney says fortson's gun was a legally registered firearm, and the sheriff's department doubling down that they were in the right place. >> i told mr. fortson's family this afternoon that they have my word if this shooting is found to be unjustified their son's name will be fully vindicated and justice will be served. >> reporter: as the investigation into the senior airman's death deepens, his family says the brother of five who was particularly close to his 10-year-old sister set the standard for how to achieve your dreams. >> he wanted everybody happy. >> reporter: he was a care taker for you but also trying to show a better path for his family. >> he was a role model. >> what a tragedy, what a

tragedy. back with us, is senior judge and clinical professor of law at florida international university. professor, i know that one of the courses you teach is police practices and procedures of the 21st century. fortson's family says they are troubled the deputy doesn't give verbal commands before the shots. how did you see this, and what do you see there that could have been done differently? >> part of the issue is if we are in a society where people can possess guns, and legally possess weapons, then police officers in their encounters with them have to think about that, and think about what questions do i ask, but the flip side of that, too, is there's a split second to make that decision. and danger is always the concern and in the minds of the officer. >> so it is very clear, it seems, that this was wrong house, wrong person, wrong death, wrong victim. >> it certainly appears that way. there appears to be nothing here

to suggest that this person was the person on whom they called because there's no one in the apartment. that they illegally brandished or threatened an officer in any way. >> fortson's family, as we said, is calling on the sheriff's department to correct the narrative of the incident. what would that entail? what would that look like? >> well, one of the things is to admit, certainly that the call or that their answer to the wrong apartment might have contributed in some way. and i think any sort of suggestion that he did something wrong. i mean, it may be that he did nothing wrong at all but facts suggest that the officer acted justly in the face of what they saw or assumed. and that certainly may become an issue. at this point, there's nothing to suggest that her son did anything wrong. >> no, i mean. what would you say to people? is there anything one can do to

protect one's self from what we just saw? >> that is why it's so important, if we are going to have a nation where people possess weapons, we have to know how to responsibly do that. you can't just assume that person is unarmed. you have to be prepared as an officer. but knowing that people can legally possess weapons, what does it mean just to possess a weapon? i mean, we noted here that the weapon is pointed downward. that there are no actions on the part of the individual to lash out or fight. and those are legitimate things that should cause some comfort as opposed to concern. >> phyllis, thank you so much. i really appreciate your -- >> thank you so much really app >> thank you for having me. >> up next the michael cohen factor, what to expect when the prosecution's star witness takes the stand? we're talking about monday. we'll be right back. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network.

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54 past the hour. according to our reporter inside the manhattan criminal court today jurors paid close attention and took notes and locked in as the last witnesses of the week in the trial of donald trump testified. all of it setting the stage for what is likely to be a blockbuster monday. michael cohen expected to finally take the stand. back with us msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and joining us former new york assistant attorney general adam paul. adam, prosecutors say two more witnesses, if cohen is coming on monday, and is one of them, who might the other be? >> i think we're all guessing. this isn't like a typical trial where a prosecution discloses who the witness is. there are concerns because of the safety or threat or intimidation to the witnesses, so the prosecution has kept this buttoned up and telling the

defense who is coming to testify, but we understand michael cohen is going tonight blockbuster witness on monday. >> lisa joshua steinglass said it's possible the case will rest its case by the end of next week. who should we expect trump's lawyers to call? >> they don't have to call anyone but if they do they've notified folks in public filings of three potential witnesses. one bradley smith who used to be a commissioner of the fec and if he comes and testifies as an expert witness, he'll talk about the fact that the payment of hush money to stormy daniels, at least the way he understand it, does not constitute a campaign finance violation even though we know michael cohen pled guilty for that payment. the other witnesses they might have are two fold. alan garten, chief legal officer of the trump organization might be asked to testify despite having no retainer agreement and

submitting invoices for $25,000 flat, michael cohen actually did perform legal services for donald trump in 2017, and then, of course, the third possible witness is donald trump himself. most legal experts i know don't expect the former president to take the stand, but that, of course, assumes he is well advised and takes advice of counsel. donald trump has testified or tried to testify in two of his recent trials, the civil fraud trial where he made a statement in liu of testimony and in the second of the e. jean carroll trials where he was sir comdescribed by judge kaplan but took the witness stand. i would say it would be against donald trump's interest to take the witness stand but he might do so anyway. >> at the close of the court today, lawyers for trump asked the judge to impose a gag order on michael cohen. we ask cohen be prohibited from

talking the way trump is now and there's a week left in this trial and it's becoming a problem every single day president trump is not allowed to spot. in spanish, an expression, someone who speaks even through his elbows, nonstop talking, so how big of a problem is cohen's public statements and any public statements going forward? >> i think that cohen's public statements have been a problem since day one, since before the trial started for the prosecution. he's not a solid respectable witness. he's been coming to court and give quiet, straightforward testimony. he's got more baggage than an airport, really, while we're in sayings. he has a history of difficult statements, of lies. he's got a lot he said he's coming into. whether he continues to speak for the next few days or not, before his testimony, i think doesn't make it really substantively easier or harder

for the prosecution. they have a lot of work to do to get only the story out that they need from him, and then try to keep it narrow and try to do the best they can in cleaning up on redistrict after his cross-examination. >> lisa, what are you expecting on monday? >> oh. i'm expect something fireworks, jose. you know, i watched michael cohen's testimony in the civil fraud trial and the tension was so thick that you could just cut it with a knife. i think we could all even feel it in our bodies, those of us watching, and michael cohen is a now disbarred lawyer, but a lawyer nonetheless, and he anticipated his own objections, frequently saying from the witness stand, asked and answered, which is something that your attorney is supposed to do on your behalf. so whether michael cohen can be a disciplined witness and really stick to the four corners of the questions that are being asked of him, that's, obviously, what d.a. wants, so as to keep the

cross-examination similarly limited. let's see if they have luck in getting him to achieve that objective on monday and beyond. >> we've been hearing off the rails in so many cases. you think the rails will be on or off on monday? >> i think that prosecution is going to do all they can to keep it narrow, keep it on the rails and get him on and off the stand as quickly as possible. keep it tight. >> adam pollack and lisa rubin, thank you very much. that's it for me this hour. katy tur will be back in this chair on monday as part of our special coverage of michael cohen's expected testimony in donald trump's criminal trial. i'll see you tomorrow night on "nbc nightly news" saturday. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ >> it's friday. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new