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now today's other top stories. skies across the world are lit up in dazzling cover from a massive geomagnetic storm. there are possible potential disturbances to power plants and spacecraft. in a few hours, the your row vision song contest kicks off the grand finale in sweden. there is last minute drama. a dutch contestant was kicked out. swedish police are investigating a criminal incident reporting backstage involving a female crew member. prince harry and meghan markle are in nigeria today. they are there promoting the invictus games an event that the prince started to help to rehabilitate service members. in moments, the impact of stormy daniel's testimony and the cross-examination that
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might have been harder than the defense imagined and trump may owe $100 million from double dip tax breaks, audit shows. i we bid you a good day in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with the breaking news. israel is ordering new evacuations in rafah as it plans to expand the incursion of the city. this is after months of the u.s. trying to discourage prime minister netanyahu from invading that area where thousands of displaced palestinians are seeking refuge. the white house reacted to israel's decision. >> we never told them they can't operate in rafah. what we have told them is, that the way they do it matters and that we won't support a major ground operation, an invasion smashing into rafah with multiple divisions of forces in
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a hand fisted indiscriminate way. >> meanwhile, a preliminary state department investigation found reason to believe israel may have violated international law in gaza. according to a new report submitted to congress, the administration does not believe israel has defied u.s. weapons terms but the highest level civilian casualties are raising questions about military tax kicks. back with us is holly. let's talk about the humanitarian situation and what it's like on the ground in southern gaza and how many are evacuating. what are you seeing? >> reporter: the latest evacuation order, alex, would affect up to 400,000 people. as many of the viewers know, over a million displaced gazans have been crowded into southern gaza up against the border with egypt. they have been told to go to
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other encampments there is a small plot of land in coastal gaza where there is really no sewage or electricity or running water. some of these people have been displaced multiple times as well having a lot of trouble operating because of the lack of fuel. one midwife who works in a neonatal intensive care unit, the only remaining in southern gaza described working conditions in her hospital and her unit. listen. >> it's palpable how nervous people are, where to go and unclear. every other place is unsafe. every other place is demolished. people are afraid to access health care given the long- standing history of the military attacking health care, hospitals, patients. and it has been loud and constant. there is not a moment where there are not bombs dropping
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and scary noises abound. >> reporter: the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, going into rafah if he launches the full scale operation would be doing it in defiance of president biden and his administration. as you mentioned for months they are warning against that. but netanyahu and others in his government say the operation is necessary to neutralize hamas, alex. >> holy, thank you so much from cairo, we appreciate that. let's go from there to new york and donald trump's hush money trial. the prosecution's star witness is set to take the stand monday. michael cohen will test about negotiating $130,000 payment to stormy daniels on trump's behalf. judge merchan directing prosecutors to tell cohen not to make statements about the case or mr. trump but not placing a gag order on cohen. after court the former president complained about his gag order and he would be proud to go to jail for the
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constitution. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want. but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. >> it's all fake. the whole case is fake. the judge is corrupt. >> this week stormy daniels gave detailed testimony about a 2006 sexual encounter with trump. jurors heard from other witnesses about checks and invoices and ledgers. prosecutors say they could rest their case by the end of next week. trump denied a sexual relationship with daniels and is pleading not guilty to the 34 felony counts against him. meanwhile, trump has a beachfront rally in new jersey. supporters started lining up thursday on the boardwalk ahead of the speech. some are coming from out of state. it turns out the former president's son barron will not be a florida delegate at the gop convention in milwaukee in july. melania trump said barron will not be going due to prior commitments.
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he graduates from high school later this month. we got a number of reporters and analysts covering all these elements. we go first to wildwood, new jersey. trump's team is expecting a megacrowd at the rally set to begin in a few hours. it kind of looks like it's true. look at all the supporters there. have supporters been following what is happening in the courtroom? >> reporter: alex, so far, this is one of the bigger rallies that i have been to in quite some time here. and we have got a little bit of singing in the background happening here. listen, this is a place where a lot of the folks that we have been talking to, yes, they are paying attention to the trial but they mostly are paying attention to how the former president is framing it. we hear the same rhetoric from them as we hear from him calling it weapon anyzation, unfair, unjust and generally they are here on a bright,
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sunny day. here is what we heard from them. >> i feel as though he is the best cure for this country, how it's going at this point. i believe that our -- the strength of our country comes in capitalism and career politicians in this day and age have no clue how to bring the country back to where it needs to be. we need someone with wholesome values and put america first. >> the country is a mess, the border, want economy. peace through strength. trump stands for all of that. there is not an issue that he represents that i don't agree with. >> reporter: alex, this rally is a bit of a break from the courtroom for the former president. on monday, as you mentioned, one of the most important witnesses in this trial so far, michael cohen. we have seen the jury has heard his voice, seen his text
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messages, seen some evidence of the alleged hush money scheme to protect the trump campaign from the story that stormy daniels was planning to tell. but he is the key tying the former president to those payments. his credibility will be central here because that is where the defense team is going to try to under cut him and try to poke holes in his story and his ability to tell the truth. whether or not this jury finds him believable will be essential here. >> it's getting loud there. we will check back in later. thank you. joining me in the studio, suzanne craig, investigative reporter for the "new york times" and kristy green greenberg. both have been in the courthouse. you sat through cringe worthy moments of this week with
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stormy daniels in the courtroom describing her alleged tryst with donald trump in 2006. did she leave the stand with you thinking the jury needed to hear all that? >> i'm not sure they needed to hear it all. i think that part of the -- what we will discuss for a while, people will look back on that first day of testimony. tuesday was one day then back from a break on thursday and she was very strong on cross- examination. on tuesday, i think what was important about it is she did take jurors through all the nitty-gritty and that was the story that donald trump was trying to keep out of the paper. that was the catch and kill scheme. so, in one way it was important that they understood it but it may have gone too far. it's important that they understand what he was trying to make sure didn't get published. i don't think any of them were
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under any illusion about what happened. but on thursday, she came back and she was really strong with suzanne neck less. >> less nervous. >> she was less nervous and forceful. i got written down if i can read it rather than paraphrasing it, some of the exchanges. susan is cross-examining her, donald trump's lawyer. they are going back and forth. >> she went at her hard. >> stormy is not giving an inch. you to this day continue to make money to sell a story that you promise will put president president in jail, right? she says no. isn't it a fact that you are posting on social media how you are going to be instrumental in putting president trump in jail. show me where i said putting donald trump instrumental in jail. susan couldn't produce the post. she produced something that didn't stay that, something else. she said i don't see instrumental or jail there. you are putting words in my
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mouth. those sort of exchanges, when i look back at it on a saturday, that's what i remember about the week. i remember a very defiant stormy daniels giving as good as she got. >> if you remember it, that's probably what stayed with the jurors as they reflect as well. >> it's interesting because i think maybe on tuesday there will be debate whether that went too far and when this case goes on appeal, that day will be memorialized on appeal. i think there is a feeling that the jury maybe heard too much but on thursday in terms of whatever stumbles the jury may have seen or felt was made if they thought anything, she came back to it on thursday really well. >> at one point stormy daniels described details of the alleged one nightstand and trump's attorney asked, you made this all up. daniels responded, no. how successful do you think she
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was at deflecting the defense attempts to portray her as an extortionist who keeps changing her story? >> i thought daniels was at her best when she was attacked for being a porn star because susan equating person a porn star with being a liar. that failed. at one point she asked the question you have a lot of experience making up phony stories about sex and daniels said, wow, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very real just like what happened to me in that room. it was such a moment. susan equated being a porn star with being a absolute. that failed too. i think that that line of cross really could have alienated the jury. it certainly alienated me and there are five women on the jury that may not have been comfortable with that. the one thing that she was successful with in the cross was really driving home the
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point that stormy daniels claimed that she wasn't motivated by money and motivated to protect her family in selling the story. that didn't really come across clearly, i will say. i didn't buy that. i thought she was motivated by money. so what. i can believe that she was motivated by money to sell her story and that her story was real at the same time. so, i didn't think the cross- examination was that effective and i thought she did well on the whole. >> the fact that donald trump never wanted this story out as you pointed out sitting feet away watching her tell this story. what was his demeanor like? >> for most of the court proceeding where we can see him, for most of it, he has got his eyes closed. so, that is one thing. i think that is significant because the court picks up on that. jurors are looking at him. the most famous man in the
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world, a former u.s. president. that sends a message to the court. i think that was one thing. at one point he was muttering, getting upset about what she was saying. so, i think -- >> he was cursing at one point. >> he was cursing. the court picks up on that. i think those are important things. sometimes his demeanor, we make jokes about it but it has an impact on the jury. let's take a quick break. when we come back, the backlash over stormy's testimony and what to expect when the prosecution calls the final witnesses this week. sue, we will ask you about this "new york times" headline. trump may owe $100 million from double dip tax breaks, audit shows. this happened a short time ago. . this happened a short time ago. shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation, or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications
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that he disagrees with her testimony? >> yes. i thought that motion for a mistrial, i don't think we approached a mistrial. i think the judge was correct to deny that. there is an issue should he be convicted on appeal about some of the details that stormy daniels testified to that the state elicited and shouldn't have. those are the ones that got close to the line of he her saying this was a sexual assault like their height difference, the fact that he was bigger than her and blocking the way tout leave. she didn't say no because she didn't say anything at all and he didn't wear a condom. those kind of details make it seem like there was an issue of consent. that would be far more prejudicial than problemtive. that conduct is more serious than falsified business records. you don't want the jury convicting him because they are mad because they think he sexually assaulted her. all of that said, there are
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things, the defense didn't object. they sat on their hands. if you don't object, you don't preserve the issue for appeal. two it got cleaned up on cross. stormy daniels on cross when asked what made her enter -- have sex with him said it wasn't anything donald trump did, he didn't force her or threaten her. she was very clear about that on cross and said it was my own insecurities that caused me to do it. so, i think they will raise the issue on appeal. i don't think it will ultimately be successful. but it certainly was one of those moments where, you know, you were worried. if donald trump wants to refute it and say she was not telling the truth, he can take the stand and do that. his attorneys got to cross- examine her. they did their best. i don't think they were successful but he can take the stand and refute her. >> she was a flashy witness of course. but the jury heard others testify to facts in the case that include how the checks were processed, invoices as well by donald trump and the
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trump org. what did the prosecution accomplish with custodial witnesses? >> i think with a lot of those custodial witnesses, some were trump organization employee that walked us through the checks and general registry entries. and jeff made clear that this is because allen weisselberg, the cfo told him they were reimbursements that needed to be paid to michael cohen. he got that critical evidence into -- admitted at the trial but he also provided some additional context for it which was very important. and then we heard from both of them about donald trump being in the weeds, being in the details and maybe not -- he is not in the general ledgers but he would get checks sent to him, personally sign checks. ask questions about his finances. it was incredibly -- tedious
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testimony at times to get through the exhibits but important. >> monday the prosecution is expected to call michael cohen to the witness stand. >> yeah. >> how has this trial led up to this moment that begins monday? >> i think the whole trial has been leading to michael cohen. i think what we have seen from the beginning -- remember david pecker the first witness, former head of the "national enquirer." he was incredible. i see him analogous to michael cohen. michael cohen coming at the end. david pecker was a principal dealing with donald trump and provides some of the elements of intent that the prosecution needs if they are able to get to a guilty verdict but he was able to set the table. he had this incredible view of everything. he was part of the catch and kill discussions and he had that meeting at trump tower with donald trump talking about we will catch and kill stories that are negative about donald
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trump and write positive ones and plant negative stories about donald trump's competitors. and he had a great through line. he was dealing with -- saw the stormy daniels payment and had some information but he declined to make the payment. i'm not a bank. he was able to set the pattern with karen mcdougal and the payment to the doorman for the story that wasn't actually true. we have seen witnesses on the way that had pieces of all of this. michael cohen will come in to court monday. he will have an incredible through line. he will have dealt with donald trump. he is aware of -- the question did donald trump cause the falsification of business records. we will hear from michael cohen that donald trump wanted the payment to be made, the hush money payment and that caused the falsification of the business records. but he dealt with trump. he had discussions with trump and he is aware of the documents, some of the checks
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were written to him. i think what we will see with michael cohen. it has the potential to be explosive, a big grudge match. what the prosecution will do is keep him to the documents and the things that are already in the record. there is a lot of evidence, a lot of documentary evidence. the documents don't get you to intent. michael cohen will walk us through that but speak to the documents. >> interesting, michael cohen is supposed to enter the courthouse monday without knowledge of what the others testified. to sue's point almost like he could would core robber bore rate david pecker because they worked together on this. but with wall to wall coverage, kristy and trial transcripts made public, how does that work? >> i mean, that is the question. we know that michael cohen has been speaking about this case
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as recently as just a few days ago when he did a tiktok and he has the shirt on with donald trump behind bars. this led the prosecution to tell the court, look, we have been repeatedly asking michael cohen not to speak about the case and we have not been successful. so, it seems like -- it's unclear if he is -- how closely he is following the trial. but he is speaking out as to his hatred of donald trump. he seems to me to have been careful in the interviews to not talk about what he will testify to but hard to imagine that he is not following this in some way given how vocal he has been recently during the trial itself. >> karen mcdougal, alleging a 10 month long affair with donald trump. she will not testify. there was speculation she would. why not? why do you think she is not?
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>> we heard about what happened with karen mcdougal through david pecker. her payment that went to her, donald trump didn't make it. david company did, ami. so we won't hear about it because it's not at the heard of it. what the 34 records were falsified surround the payment to stormy daniels that michael cohen took the home equity line for. >> i want to ask you about the story that we talked about during the commercial break, just before hand. this is extraordinary. it's a "new york times" pro publica breaking news report in which they uncovered an irs audit and it's focusing on rather dubious accounting maneuvers that meant donald trump was taking the same right office twice on a chicago skyscraper. your paper reports the former president could be facing a tax bill of more than $100 million. you investigated his tax history. what is going on. >> this is potentially a big
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deal. i think it's a good reminder that there is a lot of things we know about donald trump going on in the public. he finished that civil fraud case. he owes $454 million if he loses that on appeal. the e. jean carroll is 83.3 million. he is appealing that. then we have behind closed doors at the irs this audit. just incredible. this is reporting from my colleague and another reporter at pro publica. they teamed up and have been working on this for months. he owns this skyscraper this chicago and there were huge losses surrounding it. it opened for donald trump at the height of the financial crisis and he took a lot of losses on his taxes then transferred the ownership of the tower to another company and essentially took more losses on it when he shouldn't have. now they are looking on it. if this goes against him, it
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could be more than $100 million. i encourage everyone to read the article. well detailed. it's a reminder that there is also something going on that you are not quite aware of. i'm careful when i talk about donald trump's finances because there is a lot we know then a lot that we don't know. >> sue craig, good to have you in the studio. kristy, come in the studio as well. we would love to have you here as well. the trickle down of donald trump's rhetoric of the election, the impact it's having, next. election, the impact it's having, next.
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about 3% of the asylum seekers. it's up to congress to fix the broken immigration system. but then you have immigrant report groups that some legitimate ones will be turned back. >> reporter: we spent all week reporting on this. we scooped the biden administration is looking at executive action when hit comes to the asylum claims that you referenced. this rule change, the department of homeland security proposed thursday is a small slice of what the administration plans to do within the coming weeks. i'm told that congress will try to pass some elements of their border security legislation, the bill, the bipartisan negotiated bill that was blocked by republicans in february within the coming weeks as well. this is in an effort for democrats from both sides of pennsylvania avenue to the white house to the senate here controlled by democrats trying to go on offense on this issue of immigration and capitalize and prove to voters that they
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now florida, stunning body cam video showing the final moments of a 23-year-old u.s. airman before a florida sheriff's deputy shot and killed robert fortson in his own apartment after allegedly investigating a disturbance in progress. ben crump accusing the sheriff's department of covering up the misconduct alleging police targeted the wrong apartment. joining me is zed direct alexander. he is a former member of president obama's task for. i'm sorry about the circumstances of having you back. this body cam footage was released. there are different stories from either side. police say the deputy identified himself twice, was at the right apartment and
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acted in self-defense. then you have the fortson family that said roger couldn't see anyone through the peep hole and the officer did not tell him to drop his legally owned weapon before firing. why do we have different stories? >> you are always going to have this in circumstances. one of the best things sheriffs and police departments can do is say nothing. say nothing in the sense that they need an outside investigating to be done. anything that they do say, such as this in this case that they are in against of this officer. there is a lot to be concerned about in this video here. i think an investigation will reveal it all. but let's talk about what we do see here, alex. when this young man opens the door, his weapon is down to his side. as soon as he opened that door, that officer is firing a barrage of rounds that put him down. at some point, he should have
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told him drop the weapon, drop the weapon. not after you shoot him but prior. we are trained that way. it was not pointed at him at a 45-degree angle. of course we know that is a dangerous situation. let me be clear about saying that. at the same time, that weapon was at a safe position points downward when the young man opened the door. the officer didn't say anything and immediately fired. one thing of concern here, too. is whether this deputy had his weapon unholstered. if he did, why would he in a case of just responding to a disturbance. so, if you look at the time he opened that door to the time he fired those shots, there was absolutely no opportunity for the person that was shot and killed in this case to even respond. who heard who is going to be debated. i guarantee you through the investigation it will all come
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together. that's the biggest concern i think that we all ask questions about in this community and questions that are going to be asked around the country. he opens the door, the gun is at his side and you immediately fire without giving any come pants whatsoever. understanding that, yes, he is armed, yes, that could have been a dangerous situation. but i know how police are trained across this country and someone that has a weapon pointed downward we give a command. there was an opportunity to do that here. however, i think further investigation with this put together, we may no more. one of the best things the sheriff's office can do is stop talking and allow this investigation to take place. it will need to be fair, open. the community has to sense that it's being balanced as well, too. there is something severely wrong when the point you open
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the door and he is fired upon. >> cedric, you talk about the training and that in your mind, from what you see from the body cam video, the training wasn't properly followed and you articulated why. but what is this about? does the solution to keep this from happening again, does it rely on better training or is it bad judgment? adrenalin in the moment? would you say that this was a stressful situation for the sheriffs deputy at the door? >> policing is stressful. you know that when you go into the profession. that doesn't become new to you the day you put on a badge. you know it's stressful, dangerous and you will have those situations in which you cannot train for. you cannot train for everything, alex. what you can do is make sure that you have proper training in place.
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what you can do is in situations in which there may be just an unusual set of cases here in which someone can end up injured. at the end of the day, you are the police officer that has to justify firing the rounds. >> it becomes difficult in this case at the moment this airman opens the door, he is fired upon. and, yes, he has a weapon down at his side but was never given any command. we are trained to give command in those types of situations. what was going through that deputy's mind is yet to be determined. it could be lack of training. it could be bad training. it could be a barrage of different things that are both conscious and unconscious why he pulled that trigger as quickly as he did on that subject. >> cedric, i read the transcript of you will at the bottom of the screen with the video and the last thing it sounds like the sheriff's deputy said was step back. he did not say drop your
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weapon. is that a violation of proper training? >> well, the fact that he mentions step back followed by drop your weapon or drop the weapon but it was step back boom, boom, boom. in there i think is where the issue is going to lie in terms of how that community and this state and this country view this particular shooting. look, we know policing is tough. we know that officers have to make a split second decision. but we also note when we see something that creates this amount of pause and concern, we need to be open and honest and not try to make it something that it's not. at the same time get to the bottom of this so that something very different can happen going forward. >> yeah. >> there is some concern in terms of that deputy firing that weapon as quickly as he did. owning the door, step back, boom, boom, boom. that is not how we are trained.
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groundwork now to ensure a dragged out legal battle? >> listen, it's more than laying the groundwork for a legal battle. we were here watching january 6th. this is the same rhetoric that trump was using then and he is fueling the flames even earlier, right. the reality is that as he continues to delay, delay and delay all of the measures to hold him accountable, essig falling to his supporters that they will be above the law should he become president or if he is not president that they should take matters into their own hands. this is extremely dangerous. people shouldn't say don't believe him, he won't do it. he has done this before. we know that he will only ratchet up how it will get if he doesn't win. >> jennifer there is a quinnipiac survey that happened in march that found two thirds of voters were very or somewhat confidence that votes will be
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accurately counted in november. that number drops to just 45% of republicans. do you see reason to sound the alarm about this trickle down effect that trump's rhetoric is having? >> absolutely, yes. to her point, the idea of trying to fan the flames, election denial, voter denial, this is the core of the rnc and republican party and donald trump's election message. it's not about the economy. it's not about the border. it's not about any of these other things. it's getting their base, their party members ready to fight against a loss. they are -- the rnc is not running a campaign operation. they are running an election disruption operation. you can see it in who they brought as staff and who is in the background of the attorneys that they have there, the message that they are filtering down to their state and county
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committees. they are prepared. it's conscious and intentional. anybody who doesn't take it seriously right now will make it easier for them to be successful at this when the time comes. >> if donald trump wins the election fair and square, there will be no talk about this, everything just happened fair and square. during his cnn interview, president biden was asked what advice former president obama gave him. here is what he said. take a listen. >> make sure -- his advice, look, you got to organize. block and tackle. people knocking on doors, putting up signs. we have over 1.5 million individual contributors in america. >> look, he is describing a traditional grass roots campaign, slow and steady. is that enough this year? >> listen. i don't think it needs to be
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slow and steady but consistent. i agree that grass roots is what actually wins as i have worked on four presidential campaigns. no ma'am of national messaging will outperform the actual voters to voter contact, phone banking, listening to voters and going into states. he was talking about this in wisconsin while his opponent is slumped over looking tired in a trial. so, it is proven to work. president obama was an amazing organizer. he served as his vice president. that is how president biden won in 2020. he was able to organize in a pandemic. we know on the ground talking about the issues and relate directly to voters, it does move the needle. >> i will pick up on what you just said. it's a stark campaign split screen this week. donald trump in court, the hush money trial, charged with
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contempt then president biden giving a somber speech on holocaust remembrance. before we discuss the split screen of trump quietly sitting and closing his eyes in court while president biden was battling criticism over campus protests, is that what we are in for over the next 177 days, one split screen after another in unusual circumstances? >> it is, actually. it's actually going to give president biden the opportunity to talk about the clear issues that are happening which, of course, is the concern around the israel-hamas war which will be a big issue for a lot of democratic voters. but he is able to talk about issues of the economy, issues of abortion. him and his vice president went to arizona and florida for these issues. while, again, former president trump is literally slumped over in a new york courtroom, one of many courtrooms we will see him in this year.
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that is slowing down fund- raising, him talking to voters. that is a good thing for us but paints a stark national contrast that will be easier for us to talk about in november. so, jennifer, jeff duncan, the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia endorsed president biden this week. he ended it with, kw0e9, unlike trump i belonged to the entire gop my entire life. this november i'm voting for a decent person that i disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass. is this a lone responsible republican voice or do you think others will follow? >> so far jeff duncan is a lone republican voice for sure. we are not seeing a lot of this from any direction of the republican party. you might see a couple more but i don't anticipate there will be some huge movement. the more important thing that jeff duncan and others like him willing to come forward to do
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is to influence those republicans who are on the -- standing on the line, on the wall, right? it's less important that we have hundreds of known republican names come forward. it's more important that those who do help to move the thousands and millions of republicans that job is going to need to win. i hope we see jeff duncan out there campaigning for president biden and not just writing an op-ed for him. >> can i ask you quickly, jennifer, the fact that nikki haley got almost 22% of the vote dropped out in march, how alarming is that? >> it should be alarming to donald trump. what we have seen from the exit polls is that the majority of those nikki haley voters are more antitrump vote than they are a pro nikki haley vote. trump, you know, there are republicans up for grabs if joe biden and his campaign is able
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to target them and message them in a persuasive manner. those votes are out there. it's the rnc and donald trump who should be alarmed by those numbers. >> okay. ladies, thank you both so much. look up in the sky. it's not, a bird, plane or superman but we have pictures. (man) mm, hey, honey. looks like my to-do list grew. "paint the bathroom, give baxter a bath,
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