happy to have you. here we go. ready? this is the people of the state of new york against donald j trump.

appearances, starting with people. for the people. this is the district attorney, and katherine ellis. the defense counsel, joined by president trump, todd blanche, and kendra whorton. good morning. >> good morning, mr. trump. "the matter called into the record is the people's motion for contempt. before i hand down my decision, i did want to address the defense and mr. trump. as you know, the prosecution has filed three separate motions asking this court to find you in contempt. in a moment, i will hand down my decision. the third motion, in which i find you in criminal contempt for the 10th time.

it appears that the $1000 fines are not serving as a deterrent. going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sanction if recommended. it is important to understand the last thing i want to do is put you in jail. you are the former president of united states, and possibly the next president, as well. there are many reasons why incarceration is truly a last resort for me. to take that step would be disruptive to these proceedings which i imagine you want to end as quickly as possible. i also worry about the people who would have to execute that sanction. the court officers, the correction officers, the secret service detail, among others. i worry about them and what would go into executing such a sanction. i'm also aware of the broad implications of such a sanction. the magnitude of such a decision is not one-sided but at the end of the day, i have a job to do and part of that job

is to protect the dignity of the judicial system. your continued violations threatened to interfere with the administration of justice. in constant attacks which constitute a direct attack on the rule of law. i cannot allow that to continue. so, as much as i do not want to impose a sanction, and i've done everything i can to avoid doing so, i want you to understand that i will, if necessary and appropriate. to the attorneys of any other questions about that? i will now and on the decision from the court. this is for the defense, and this is for the people." they give copies to the decision to the parties and the judge says, "you can call the trial." "this is the people of the state of new york against donald j trump. kate is on trial continued.

this is the third week of trial. this is the most momentous thing that happened today. we knew it was coming but now that it happened, this is a momentous thing, a lawful order of an american criminal court with the judge saying, you are repeatedly disobeying this lawful order if lesser sanctions cannot persuade you to stop violating this court order and apparently they cannot , then you will be jailed, even as a former president of the united states, you two are a citizen and subject to the law and every citizen is. we are there. we have never been in a place like this before. that's because, of really specific, historical circumstances. when richard nixon resigned in disgrace he was caught using the powers of the presidency to massive political opponents and

resigned in disgrace and his vice president gave nixon a full pardon. why? it says explicitly in the explanation of the language of the pardon that that happened so that nixon would not face an indictment and trial. he had resigned the presidency, right? so the threat he posed to the country was over and so he was allowed to evade personal punishment. remember, that was less than a year after his vice president also resigned, also as part of, effectively, a plea deal with the justice department to avoid his case on 40 felony corruption charges. what happened to spiro agnew was a little like what happened to nixon. there was not a pardon but there was a plea deal to avoid prosecution. the dynamic was the same because he agreed to leave office. the threat he posed as

a corrupt person, that threat, because he left office, he was allowed to evade significant personal punishment. so, neither nixon nor spiro agnew went to jail for even a day. now, we are learning the consequences of, in our history, letting presidents evade personal punishment when they commit crimes because we now got a former president is leaving office. right? maybe that could have been what he traded his freedom four. what we've got, now, is one of these guys who is staying in public life and therefore, the threat is alive. he is ready to get back into the presidency with four different trials stacked up on the runway. so, no, none of us have any idea

what it will mean for us as a country for him to be sent to jail as part of these proceedings. that's part of what is new for us in this moment. today, justice, judge merchan said jail is next if trump continues to disobey court orders. do you think he will continue to disobey these court orders? judge merchan today said "i worry about the people who would have to execute that sanction. the court officers, the correction officers, the secret service detail, among others. i worry about them and what would go into executing such a sanction and i am aware of the broad implications but at the end of the day, i have a job to do. your continued violations of this court lawful order threatened to interfere with the administration of justice, constant attacks constitute a direct attack on the rule of law and i can't allow that to

continue. as much as i don't want to impose a sanction, i've done everything i can to avoid doing so i want you to understand that i will. your direct attack on the rule of law cannot be allowed to continue. a signal moment in american history. it is sort of more clear to me on this day and moment, then it has ever been in my lifetime, that the rule of law is not just a bumper sticker, right? it's not abstract, it doesn't float in like a miasma. the rule of law is specific. it means, for example, that court orders must be obeyed and if you don't obey them, the court will punish you for that. it means that people who are part of the judicial system, judges, court personnel, juries, witnesses, defense lawyers, prosecutors, they are also able to do their work without being threatened or intimidated or

harassed or fired by people associated with the accused. that is law and order, right? that's nuts and bolts and it's under intense, incredible pressure. it's having trouble in our country. as the judge in the first criminal trial is trying to stand up for the rule of law, as he said in this morning, this moment where he warned trump that he is making plans to jail in if you keep violating the court order, while that's happening, simultaneously, the republican controlled senate in the state of georgia is moving forward and what appears to be there plans to subpoena the prosecutor with leading the criminal case against trump in the state of georgia. district attorney willis is leading the prosecution. as soon as she opened the investigation, the legislature started moving to try to curtail her authority, to give

themselves the ability to fire her as a prosecutor. that process has been weaving and winding through legal obstacles for months, but now, they are planning to haul her into the state senate and forced her to turn over evidence and testify herself, under oath, while she continues to lead that prosecution. meanwhile, simultaneously, capitol hill, we got the republican share of the house judiciary committee launching apparently some kind of new investigation into one of the assistant district attorney's who was in court today leading the prosecution of trump in his new york case. meanwhile, simultaneously, the former president hosted a high dollar fundraiser at his home in florida in which he brought up the federal prosecutor overseeing the classified documents espionage act prosecution in florida and the

overthrow the government case in washington, d.c. according to a recording of the proceedings, trump said, " deranged jack smith, one of the sickest prosecutors in the world , a sick, evil thug. take a look at the deranged. he's not attractive, inside and out. you couldn't get a better guy for trying to make the devil that deranged. yes, this is one unattractive dude, that's why, and he apparently said an expletive after. that was saturday afternoon. not long after he posted this online on his social media company, "arrest deranged jack smith. he is a criminal!" again, the rule of law is not an abstract feeling or sense of being, it's not something you proclaim to be true and then forget.

right? terrorizing judges and juries and witnesses and prosecutors is something that breaks the rule of law. if those people are intimidated and harassed and threatened, the rule of law has been broken. this past friday, a california man was criminally charged with making death threats against district attorney willis. a man in new york was charged with threatening attorney general letitia james and judge and goran. in february, a woman from texas was sentenced to three years in prison for threatening the judge overseeing trump's classified documents case in florida. not long before that, a different texas woman was charged with threatening the judge overseeing trump's other federal criminal case in washington. not long before that, the fbi fatally shot a man who had threatened to kill the new york district attorney, who has

brought the case currently being argued in criminal court in new york. this has consequences and this stuff is consequences. we are not looking at a big future threat to the rule of law. what you are seeing is actively and currently damaging the rule of law right now. people are intimidated and terrorized. people who work in the legal system as these alleged crimes are adjudicated, they are being harassed, threatened with firing. and intimidated and threatened. and it is happening in all the criminal cases that surround donald trump, right? you might remember this lead in a recent special report from reuters. "district judge lamberth has been threatened by angry criminals, drug cartels, even al qaeda, but nothing prepared in for the wave of harassment after he began hearing cases against supporters of former

president trump who attacked the u.s. capital in a bid to overturn the 2020 election. he was appointed to the bench by ronald reagan and was painted by right wing websites as part of the deep state conspiracy to destroy trump and his followers. calls for his execution cropped up on pro-trump websites, and after he issued a prison sentence to one item a woman who pled guilty to joining the riot, his chambers voicemail filled with death threats. one man found his home phone number and called repeatedly with graphic vows to murder him." he told reuters, "i could not believe how many death threats i got." again, this is not some future, potential threat to the rule of law. this is damage to the rule of law and it's here already. when participating in the adjudication of alleged crimes by a political figure and his

followers, and that brings you death threats? the rule of law has been bent, the rule of law has been broken. those harms to the rule of law, that damage to the rule of law has been inflicted already. the prospect of jail for the republican party's active presidential nominee, that is here already. he got his warning in court today in new york, one more violation, and he will be put in jail. that time is now here. we are about to find out what it's like to be a country that has a presidential candidate and former president in jail, because he refuses to follow court orders. it's not a fun experiment, it's not the future, it is here. are we ready? the rule of law and the democratic system go together, right?

as the rule of law has been bent and broken by trump, we have seen the democratic system bent and get broken by trump. obviously, we did not have a peaceful transfer of power the last time he competed in and lost an election. there was no commitment at all, no expectation at all, by anyone, that he and his followers will allow for a peaceful transfer of power. this next time if he loses this next election, as well. he's not even giving lip service to the idea that they will allow for a peaceful transfer of power. he won't even say it and not need it. even more importantly the not just coming out of his face, in his republican party, accepting that his followers will not abide by the results of the next election, and neither will the republican party and all of its power and resources. that's the price of admission to power

in that party. in march of this year, the republican national committee hired two new lawyers to oversee the parties election efforts. now, two months after that, of those two lawyers, one has been indicted for helping effort to keep him in power illegally after he lost the last election and the second one of those lawyers has just been pushed out of his job partly because he's not willing to do the same thing. "trump originally approved of the hiring, one source told cnn, but sources say trump was then angered after his allies pointed to clips of the lawyer criticizing the false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. the two lawyers hired to oversee legal efforts around the 2024 election, one herself now under indictment and the other one, reportedly fired. for casting doubt that the last election was stolen, for suggesting the real election

results were a real thing. think about that for a second. the chief counsel of the national republican party, just reportedly fired because he was insufficiently enthusiastic about falsifying election results, but working to throw out real election results. i know that this feels like an incremental update, but just step back from this for a second. if it is the de facto position of the mainstream republican party that we are not going to use the real results of elections to decide who is in power, if, in order to be in a position of authority in the republican party you must now pledge to reject election results, then tell me. how are we going to decide who is in power in this country? with the other mechanism we will use if it's not real election results? the idea that there is an abstract rule of law, and abstract democracy that exists,

someday distantly in the future, we might lose it, that's not how this goes. the rule of law is mortal. it can be killed. it is wounded when the people involved in the judicial system and the adjudication of alleged crimes are being heard harassed and pressured for doing that work. democracy is mortal. it can be killed. it does not go away by someone one day proclaiming, we are no longer here by democracy. it goes away when there stops being an expectation that we are governed by democratic means, when there stops being an expectation that elections decide who is in power. the way you lose your democracy is by losing the expectation that we are participating in an election because all sides plan to accept the results, right? to go home if they lose and going off it -- in office if they win.

once we no longer expect that, we are no longer in a democratic system of government in many important respects. once one of the two major governing parties no longer believes elections are binding, in many important ways, the democracy should have failed, because they are no longer competing on democratic grounds. right? once one of the two major parties is no longer pledging that they will abide by election results whether they win or lose, the democratic system of government is not threatened with harm, it is wounded already. so what do we do about that? one way to start dealing with that is to stop pretending it's not happening. threats to the rule of law are not a theoretical prospect. they are here. prosecutors and judges and jurors and witnesses need defending right now.

right now. they are being threatened right now. who, for example, is defending d.a. willis in georgia right now? the republican-led legislature in georgia is trying to destroy her and remove her in order to stop her from prosecuting the alleged crimes of former president donald trump. who is defending her? threats to democracy are not a theoretical prospect sometime in the future, just like threat to the rule of law. threats to democracy are here, now. poll workers and election workers have been chased out of their jobs by the thousands, by threats that are already here. who will stand up and say, okay, well i am capable, i am brave, i am willing to do something hard for my country this year and i can take one of those jobs, i can drive people to the polls, and door knock for a campaign? i will work at a

polling place. who will stand up and do that? thousands of experienced poll workers have been chased from their jobs because anti- democratic movement in this country led by the former president. it's produced such an environment around those low- level jobs in the technical part of our democracy that those jobs are unfilled. who will fill those jobs? who will do that work lexi it's not an esoteric thing. it's practical. the time is now. it's here. i think the other part of it is recognizing that there is a reason that this is happening. this, to me, is the opposite of enervating, it's energizing, understanding why it's happening, understand the larger plot that this is part of. and appelbaum is here with us and we will speak with her in just a few moments.

she has just written this in the atlantic which i think is really important. democracy is losing the propaganda war. autocrats in china, russia, and other places around the world are now colluding with republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom everywhere. she writes that autocratic regimes have slowly turned the repressive mechanisms outward, into the democratic world. if people are naturally drawn to the image of human rights, to the language of democracy and the dream of freedom, and those concepts have to be poisoned. that requires more than a political system that defends against these ideas, it requires an offensive plan that damages the idea of democracy everywhere in the world. and the tools to deliver it. she says, "here is a difficult truth. part of the american political spectrum is not merely a passive recipient of a

combined narrative that comes from these countries that are working to discredit democracy. but, part of the american political spectrum is an active participant in creating and spreading these narratives. like the leaders of those authoritarian countries, the american maga right also wants americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, there elections a legitimate, their civilization dying. the maga movement leaders all seven interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens and convincing them that nothing they see is true. their goals are so similar that it's hard to distinguish between the online american all right and its foreign amplifiers, who have multiplied since the days when this was such -- only a russian project. one could call this a secret authoritarian plot to preserve the ability to spread anti- democratic conspiracy theories,

except that it's not a secret. it's all visible, right on the surface. authoritarian regimes working to discredit democracy, to undermine the credibility of democratic leaders, to mock the rule of law. they do so with the goal of electing trump, who second presidency would damage the image of democracy around the world, as well as the stability of democracy in america, even further." we will speak with and appelbaum in a moment. there is a reason the damage to the rule of law in our country, which we have already started living with, there's a reason it's coinciding with the rise of authoritarianism around the world and it's because we as a country are not immune to the same pro-authoritarian and i democratic winds that blow through europe and the rest of the world right now. our democracy is mortal, just like every other democracy in history. being real about the

harm that has been done to us already, about the fact that we can see some of the same dynamics in other countries tuning into the fact that the right, under donald trump, is admiring of and openly emulating the way other countries have destroyed their democracies. recognizing, that they are willingly part of this project. that, to me, is energizing. that should at least put some steel in our spine because it should tell us the part that we have to play, right? it should at least give us real, grounded, practical expectations of where this is going to go next and where our efforts are most needed. it should give us a clear sense of what we need to defend and protect, very soon, when the leader of our country's branch of this movement, sometime soon, almost inevitably will break that court order again and will be ordered into a jail

cell. he inevitably, very soon, will be ordered into jail. we are on the precipice of that happening, and all the freak out that going to attend it is something we should expect. we need to be ready. we are on the precipice of that next step in what has already been a very difficult time for us as a country. heads up, this is no time to check out. heads up. stay with us.

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awarded today the most repeat -- sieges award in journalism went to this man, a very important person in the world, you may recognize him from being a guest on the show in this past. he is an outspoken critic of latimer which means that vladimir kara-murza is incredibly -- in prison. all of putin's critics are in prison, dead, or in exile. today, vladimir kara-murza won a pulitzer about essays that he wrote for fighting for democracy in russia and how dangerous it is. for speaking out against the war in ukraine he was convicted of treason and is serving a 25 year sentence in russia. the citation says it was awarded for his passionate columns written under great personal risk from his prison cell, warning of the consequences of dissent in putin's russia and insisting on

a democratic future for his country. tomorrow, latimer will be inaugurated for another term as president of russia, his 25th year in power and counting. on the eve of the inauguration, there's news that russia is planning military exercises for russian troops to practice using tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield in the war in ukraine. three european intelligence agencies today warned that russia is plotting violent acts of sabotage all across europe including bombings and arson and attacks on infrastructure. we've also had news about russia propaganda operations shifting their focus to try to, among other things, supercharge and exploit divisions graded among americans by arguments over the war in gaza. the russian propaganda operation has taken its mission well beyond the one issue. in a

blockbuster piece for the atlantic, anne applebaum documents sustained and converging effort by russia and other authoritarian countries, including china, to try to advance authoritarian governance not just by controlling their own populations, but by directing their efforts externally. trying to spoil the idea of democracy not just in their own countries, but everywhere, particularly in the places where it's been particularly successful. "the russians, the chinese, iranians and others the language of transparency, accountability, and justice appeal to some other citizens. even the most sophisticated surveillance cannot suppress it. the ideas of democracy and freedom must be discredited, especially in places where they have historically flourished. places like, here.

united dates of america. our democracy. joining us now is the staff writer at the atlantic. nice to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> i remember thinking about and writing about russia's panic over democratic wind three ukraine and putin's commitment that there could not be a thriving democratic country on russia's borders. when you are writing that about that, today, that in russia and among other authoritarian countries that there can't be driving democracy anywhere in the world to matter where the borders are, why do you think the shift is happened? >> i think that the leaders of russia and china and iran and venezuela and burma and many other countries looked around the world. they saw that inside their own countries, among their exiles,

among friends of their exiles, there was an attraction to ideas about the rule of law, ideas about transparency and accountability, the ideas that rulers should work on behalf of the rule, and not simply act in their own interests and then order to defeat those ideas at home, they would also have to seek to undermine them abroad. so over the last decade, the been slowly coalescing around and authoritarian narrative that portrays autocracies as stable and safe and democracies like ours as divided, dangerous, degenerate, weak. whenever they can, whenever there's an opportunity, they promote the narrative and they do inside their own countries and because they can, they promoted in the u.s., europe, africa, in latin america, and

my article gathers together the pieces of evidence of how they have built networks, china has a network of newspapers and media companies in africa, russia has a whole series of information laundering operations that websites and other real and fake news organizations that promote russian propaganda, and they use these tools in order to influence us. >> why does the american right, not why does, but i guess, how does it integrate with that? i think we all learned a lot over the last decade about foreign influence operations and why authoritarian governments may want to change our form of government and in all a kind of leader who radically changes who we are and muck things up in the american system, but why would the pro trump's movement, more broadly, want to integrate and how they integrate with that larger project from the

other countries that you have described? >> it's important to understand that it's not a conspiracy, there's not a secret room where the neat, and make a decision about what to promote. it's simply that they have interests in common. there's a part of the republican party, not all of it, but an important part that seeks to portray the united states as divided, degenerate, decaying and declining because if that's the case, then they have a legitimate right to try and change that system, to install a different kind of leadership or government, and they, the russian and chinese and other countries amplify them . they pick and choose from russian and chinese narratives and put them in their propaganda and we can see some directly, there have been famous quotations in the last several weeks, examples of senators and

congressmen saying that we hear russian narratives being used on the floor of the house and senate, fake narratives about president zelenskyy in ukraine buying yachts, we are that as part of the senate debate. they take these stories and the use them as part of their own propaganda. they don't have, they have similar goals and they are using the same language. >> and it has the same kind of effect, whether or not it is supported by foreign entities. thank you . good to have you. we have more news ahead, stay with us.

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stomach we do have breaking news , from the war in gaza. two important developments to tell you about. israel says it is conducting targeted strikes against what they described as hamas targets eastern rafah. it's an area they call the last significant stronghold for hamas in gaza. in the u.s. official is saying that the strikes do not appear to be the large-scale israeli military operation in rafah the white house has been worried about, especially today after idf forces dropped leaflets over eastern rafah, warning civilians to evacuate immediately. after those dropped, thousands of people crowded the streets, families packed up their belongings and fled, again.

the u.n. agency that helps palestinian refugees says 200 people in our racine flooding out today, seeking safety. that's one development. second, these new strikes and mass evacuations are happening amid ongoing negotiations for a potential cease-fire. tonight, there are mixed signals about whether there might finally be progress on that front. today, hamas announced it did tentatively agree to a proposal put forward by egypt. an arab official said it would be a three-phase deal and hamas would trade hostages for prisoners held in israel and those releases would take place over six weeks, paired with a halt in military operations and hamas as they agreed to that, but israel says that proposal is far from what israel is demanding in a cease-fire agreement.

so, mixed signals. israel also said it will send a delegation when talks resume in cairo tomorrow between talks at least will resume tomorrow. it's another sign of how active the situation is. the cia director is in the region and has been there for talks on the situation and presumably that means something can get done. more than 1 million people are still displaced, including thousands of people newly displaced, today. nice to see you. so, we've been following the competing statements in narratives and descriptions about what's happening for a potential hostage deal and cease-fire deal and the halt of military operations. what's your take on the likelihood that some agreement

can be reached sometime soon? >> well, i think this is all connected to the potential looming operation because one of the principal gaps is that hamas wants a long-term, if not permanent cease-fire, whereas what israel wants is a short- term pause, to get some hostages out in exchange for palestinian prisoners and then resume the military operation. if that goes forward, essentially, i think the window closes for that kind of deal. that is why you see a flurry of diplomatic activity. if israel goes all the way into rafah, i think the window closes. >> the biden administration has been warning of negative consequences for israel if they move forward with an assault on rafah. we did learn about a change in u.s. policy, at least in white house actions with the white

house halted a weapons shipment last week and officials are saying it does not reflect a policy change but it is some sort of talk goal leverage move. should we be wary of over interpreting that? should we see it as a potential sign the white house might be willing to get more aggressive and the pressure they are putting on benjamin netanyahu and the idf? the >> you should see it that way. they've been looming as a potential breaking point between the u.s. and israel for some time. biden has been harder on him and hesitated to do things to protect israel, diplomatically, including things like 2000 pound bombs that israel has been using against the population. now, it would be a humanitarian catastrophe. you got over 1 million people, densely packed in. a lot of this people are being

displaced and have artie been displaced once or twice. they don't have anywhere to go where there is food. if you see a full ground invasion go forward, i think it's likely that there will be further steps by the biden administration to restrict certain capabilities. the question is how far do they go? how significant is the break? that remains to be seen. i think the preferred course is to get a cease-fire deal in place and that appears to be hanging by a thread but they are doing everything they can to get it done. >> i appreciate you joining us on this, tonight. >> we will be right back. stay with us. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten,

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