that does it for us tonight. be sure to tune into the katie phang show tomorrow at 12:00 eastern. pete buttigieg joins me to talk about projects affected by red lining and imminent domain. i want to wish you a good night on that note. donald trump's former fixer michael cohen will testify against his former boss on monday.

and trump's hush money election interference trial just days after stormy daniels' testimony. we have an inside look at the biggest week of the trial yet. allies at odds. president biden draws a red line on israel launches a full scale invasion of rafah. and, the black vote. new polling raising questions about president biden's support among this critical group. and how black lgbtq plus voters could be a decisive factor. kelly robinson of the human rights campaign and terrance woodbury join me to break down what is behind the numbers. this is the saturday show.

this week of donald trump's new york criminal trial was all about the dirty details. with adult film star writer and director stormy daniels testifying about the one night stand, trump allegedly spent 130 grand to cover up. not only has trump denied the charges of falsifying business records, he claims he never had a sexual encounter with daniels. during a rigorous cross- question in which trump's defense attorney charged that daniels made the whole thing up, daniels fired back, quote, if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better. but the stakes of this case are much bigger than trump's alleged daliance in a hotel room. trump's three other criminal cases have been slammed with

major delays. in georgia, the state appeals court has agreed to weigh trump's request to disqualify fani willis which is likely to keep trump out of court in fulton county until long after the election. in florida, his classified documents trial has been postponed indefinitely. because the trump appointed judge presiding over the case says it would be quote imprudent to even set a date given quote the various pending pretrial motions before the considerate. folks, there wouldn't be a need for this delay if she would decide all these motions. which of these which have languished for months. then there is trump's main election interference case. the charges related to january 6th and his claims of absolute immunity. questioning by the supreme court's conservative majority suggests the high court could hand down a decision that

delays that trial until after the november election. so, all eyes are on a manhattan courtroom and a case that too many derided as the weakest case against the twice impeached four times indicted on 88 counts former president. but as trump's former fixer michael copen points out, the new york trial is about equal justice and the rule of law. why are we handicapping cases? this is not the kentucky derby. this is our democracy. as far as i'm concerned, whatever holds him accountable, i'm okay with. >> michael cohen is expected to take the stand on monday but not before receiving a warning from judge merchan yesterday to stop publicly taunting trump. but trump, who has already been fined $10,000 for violating a gag order that includes refraining from making statements about cohen is clearly struggling not to lash

out at his former attorney. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want. but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. because if anything is mentioned against certain people, and you know who they are, he is going to put me in jail. >> that's a bunch of whining. maybe that is why he brought senator rick scott to court. scott spread some of trump's favorite falsehoods imdeluding if they can go after the former president, they can go after you. you know what? senator scott? you are absolutely correct. but, we would have to be indicted by a jury for falsifying business records, illegally retaining classified documents and trying to overturn a free and fair

election. joining me now, msnbc neil catial. how credible do you think stormy daniels was as a witness? >> she has been very credible. we have seen person after person, friend after friend turn on trump in the trial and the whole thing is like a bad feud. it reminds me of drake and kendrick lamar and stuff like that. and, that was the prelude to stormy daniels coming and testifying. to be sure, some of the testimony on her first day strayed into stuff that i think nobody really needed to hear. it did bolster her credibility a bit by remembering certain details but it did start to get

to be extraneous. but i think the second day of testimony and how she left the jury, she seemed incredibly credible. trump's lawyer strategy of essentially trying to shame her for her profession spectacularly backfired and it goes to show trump's opening statement, they promised essentially no affair. that $130,000 trump never paid. and so on. and all of that has been blown out of the water already by the testimony from stormy daniels about the affair where she seems far more credible than the absent donald trump who is evidently looking like he is not going to take the stand to contradict her testimony and $130,000 that his lawyer said trump never paid. well now we learned this week, trump actually admitted in another court proceeding he did pay the $130,000. so, right now, it is not

looking good. they are now looking to tear down the credibility of michael cohen. >> one more thing. in terms of the stuff we didn't need to hear that you mentioned before, could that part of her testimony end up helping trump on appeal real quick? >> they clearly did this not because the judge was going to accept the motion for a mistrial but preserve it for an appeal. i don't think this is enough. there is always in every major criminal trial, some extraneous information. i do not see this as the basis for undoing what seem to be an open and shut trial. >> so judge merchan scolded trump for shaking his head and swearing. what did the jury make of trump's antics? and make of stormy? >> so, the jury, let me address the second part of it first.

with stormy daniels, with we have a very professional jury. she was very funny during the testimony. there were a number of lines where she was talking about she was asked about her reaction to the indictment. trump's attorney susan necheles asked her incredulously she didn't know what the indictment was about. she replied there were a lot of indictments. there was a lot of laugher in the courtroom after lines like that. there was a line where she was pressed about her merchandising saying that she was monetizing trump's indictments and she replied not unlike mr. trump. and these were not isolated lines. it was one after another after another. there was a lot of laughter in that courtroom. there was a lot of smiling in the jury. there was a back and forth you sometimes see in trials where jurors, especially during a

contentious cross-examination will shoot glances at the witness and the attorney volleying questions almost like a tennis match. all of that was kind of present here. but one of the things that was very noticeable was the kind of solid professionalism of this jury. as for their look after the defendant, one thing is probably no reporter knows exactly what they saw quite like the judge and jury just because of the mechanics of that courtroom. just look at the layout. they were looking straight in the eyes during that cursing episode. >> if anyone is following stormy daniels on twitter, they are least surprised by how funny she was on the stand. neil, as trump loves to remind us, michael cohen was convicted of lying to congress. so how will jurors weigh his

past with his present credibility? >> it will be an issue. the district attorney has to prove donald trump caused making a knowing false business record with the intent to further or conceal another crime. here it is campaign finance laws. it will turn on michael cohen and his credibility. we have already had skirmishes about that. certainly you can expect trump's lawyer to say hey, you have been convicted of a felony in the like and you can expect cohen to come back and say when the testimony, no, here i'm telling the truth. i have no incentive to lie. there is a lot of corroborating evidence that supports michael cohen's storiment at the end of the day that makes it not just a he said he said dispute between trump and cohen. the district attorney is

meticulously built that record with receipts. it is an airtight case. if you are trump's lawyer, you are wondering what can i do to turn this thing around and attack michael cohen alone will not get you there. >> with that, we have to leave it there. neil, adam, thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. coming up, why israel may have violated international humanitarian law. but that will not impact military aid from the united states. jane harmon joins me live to explain. two key voting blocks that president biden needs to beat trump in november and what it will take to shore up their support. a jam packed hour of the saturday show. keep it here. saturday show. keep it here. white? to soccer? i'm not gonna slide tackle.

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this morning israel issued a new warning in gaza urging residents to evacuate parts of rafah as it expands its campaign there, but the move into the city has stopped short of a full scale ground invasion. you may remember back in march i asked president biden whether an invasion of rafah would be a red line for the united states. >> what is your red line with prime minister netanyahu? do you have a red line? for instance, would invasion of rafah which you have urged him not to do, would that be a red line? >> it is a red line, but i will never leave israel. the defense of israel is critical. >> now, two months later, president biden has drawn a new red line. on wednesday, he warned prime

minister ben benjamin netanyahu. >> if they go into rafah, i will not supply the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah. >> in response, netanyahu says that israel is prepared to fight without the help of the united states. >> if israel has to stand alone, we will stand alone. but we also know we are not alone because we have so many decent people everywhere who do support us. who do understand the truth. and we will defeat our enemies. >> joining me now, former congresswoman jane harmon of california, chair of the commission on the national defense strategy. congresswoman harmon, thank you for coming to the show. before we get to the red line conversation, let's talk about this report that was issued yesterday by the state department. that said that it is reasonable to assess that the idf used u.s. weapons since october 7th.

quote, inconsistent with international humanitarian law but it stopped short of saying israel violated terms of u.s. weapons agreements. what's your reaction to this report? >> that it is very careful and that it doesn't say we assess. it says it is reasonable to assess which means somebody could assess. but maybe we don't. i think it was intentional. >> intentional why? >> because this whole issue is so fraught. every part of it is radioactive. and the tragedy is right now 1.4 million people are in harm's way in rafah and i applaud president biden for trying to do what he can using leverage that he has to do two things. one, to support israel. the red line is not that he doesn't support israel regardless of what prime minister netanyahu says. but to support israel, but to say hey guys, this is the wrong

way to go to achieve your objectives. >> so you agree with the president's decision. >> peter baker hays ronald ray dan did that. i think we forgot that in 1982 when israel bombed beirut. and we had a different prime minister in israel and reagan called him and said this is a holocaust. i think that might have been a little extreme. but hey. and i'm not sending, not sending cluster munitions and i'm slowing down, maybe not sending f16 . >> do you think, humanitarian workers and doctors warning that the situation for civilians is worsening in gaza. how devastating would a full

scale invasion of rafah be? >> we have already seen this movie several times in other parts of gaza. seems to me there are more people packed into rafah and the border crossings are closed and the u.n. is predicting a food catastrophe tomorrow. what i worry about is the objective i thought everybody had a few weeks ago, which was to release the hostages or a number of them in exchange for a number of prisoners in israeli jails with a temporary cease fire is gone. that has to happen soon. if we think about it, it is reported the u.s. is sharing intelligence the location of people in the tunnels with israel. hamas has time to prepare. don't you they they will have human shields in the tunnel if the idf comes near or tries to

come near the leader of hamas? i think the strategy is not, israel's strategy will not accomplish that. >> yesterday, cease fire negotiations with israel are back to square one. do you believe that? folks say stuff publicly. and behind the scenes all sorts of things. >> i don't know enough to know. we have had our best people on the case. we have had bill burns and tony blinken with repeated visits. the problem is bb netanyahu has two right wingeing in his cabinet and if they turn on him, they could call for new elections. and he is boxed in. if he wants to remain as prime

minister. but guess what? i think that he should want his legacy to be that he saved this country from a dire threat and built security for the future which to me require as two- state solution with secure borders which is u.s. policy. >> jane harmon, thank you for coming to the saturday show. up next, a chorus of boos for congresswoman marjorie taylor greene on the house floor. what that means for speaker mike johnson and his chaos caucus in the days ahead. plus what we know about jfk jr. 's brain eating worm. don't go anywhere. brain eatin don't go anywhere.

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moves for the speaker of the house of representatives to be vacant. >> boo. >> this is the uni party for the american people watching. >> are you not entertained? let that woman sink in. marjorie taylor greene getting booed on the house floor for introducing her motion to unseat speaker mike johnson. it was an epic fail. the motion was killed by an overwhelming vote of 359 to 43 with seven democrats voting present. this has been a big week all around for american politics and the 2024 presidential election. nikki haley still has supporterring trump needs.

she got 21% of the vote in indiana's primary tuesday despite dropping out of the race months ago. donald trump quashed rumors he is considering nikki haley as his vice president. but that he wished her well. he wrote best wishes on one he sent to me in 2015. and the new york times reported this week that third party candidate robert f. kennedy jr. said, i can't believe. [ laughter ] said doctors told him a parasitic worm got into his brain and ate part of it. y'all, come on. joining me now, christina greer. the moynahan fellow of the city

college of new york. >> they are not necessarily there for the performance theater. in trying to work with speaker johnson. though he is incredibly conservative. right wing. antithetical to so many of the democratic principals. this idea that we have the theatrics. people want to see their tax dollars go to work. people being in washington dc thinking through legislation and some of these hard

decisions. marjorie taylor greene continues to be a distraction. we see in the republican party, she is literally a cancer that they cannot get rid of. >> they have to rely on them to successfully govern. doesn't that make the speakership republican in name only? >> sure, hakeem jeffries is the speaker of the house now, he has been the last 18 months or so. if you look at the legislation that had to pass, keeping the government open. aid to ukraine, saving the office of the speakership. it has been a hakeem jeffries led democratic coalition that has allowed the house to

govern. and to function. you used epic fail by marjorie taylor greene. there is such incompetence from the gentle lady from georgia. if you consider what matt gaetz did, he succeeded. he was a tactician. marjorie taylor greene doesn't know what she is doing but i would suggest the writing is on the wall for mike johnson. he will not be speaker in january because democrats take the house which they likely will do when hakeem jeffries becomes speaker. and if republicans hold the house, what we have seen is he does not have enough votes within his caucus to remain speaker and hakeem jeffries and democrats will not bail him out in january. house republicans will have a new leader in january if they return to the majority. >> i wonder if he will be house speaker by october given his raucous caucus. let's talk about another woman in the republican party. that is nikki haley. fine, i think it is great that, you know, she is looking to run in 2028. and is not looking to endorse

donald trump yet. heaven help her if she decided to be his running mate. what do you make of all of this? do you expect her to do what every other person who ran against donald trump for the nomination this year? do you expect her to actually endorse him? >> she is holding out. because it is a bargaining chip. the data is clear. there are so many republicans who do not want donald trump as the nominee. they are looking at several court cases across the state. so the republican party is less than enthusiastic in many ways and many donors are less than enthusiastic. will nikki haley come around? absolutely. they always do. but this is a way for her to still be in conversation with donors and leaders in the

republican party because there is not just 2028. but just in case there is a scenario where donald trump cannot take on the mantle of the republican party, she wants to still be viable. what the republicans don't fully understand is that if donald trump gets reelected, he will sell this country for parts and i don't know if we are guaranteed an election in 2028. he has been very clear he does not want that to happen. he wants to get in office and stay in office because he wants to stay out of prison. in doing so. >> david, we only have a minute left. but we cannot end this segment without talking about the dead worm in the brain of rfk jr. one, what impact do you think this will have on your campaign and two, should we take anything from the fact that donald trump went on video on his janky social media platform and attacked rfk jr. for a long time? >> i think rfk jr. could take more from republicans and i

think that is why donald trump is attacking him. he is a maga crazy republican. he is a vaccine denier, he denies science. he flip-flops on the issue of abortion and even his own vp candidate can't up on where he is day-to-day. now he says he has a worm eating his brain. he is a perfect republican today. and so, look. who knows how he takes and specific states that matter to a biden victory in november. but i would tell you this guy speaks to the aaron rogers republican which could take from the maga crowd. i would see joe biden having a little fun with rfk going into november. >> how could you not? thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. and take a look at this. you are looking at live pictures of donald trump speaking at a campaign rally in wildwood, new jersey. i pumped gas there at the sonoko station. he will be back in manhattan on

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biden has been pulling out all the stops in an effort to win over lgbtq plus and black voters. and it looks like it is paying off as new polling shows these voters have been overwhelming favoring a biden term. according to a recent glad poll, 60% of lgbtq voters prefer biden compared to 15% for donald trump and a new york times poll shows 69% of black americans support biden while trump only has 16% of the vote. black voter enthusiasm has declined since the 2020 election. the black and lgbtq plus communities played an important role in the winning coalition for biden in 2020. kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign joins

me and terrance woodbury. thank you both for coming to the saturday show. let's talk about this. i will start with the pollster first. >> i'm glad we started here. enthusiasm is an interesting metric. it is one thing pollsters use to predict turn-out. the thing is not all black voters are voting enthusiastically. i was in focus groups and one black voter said voting for him is like taking out the trash. he doesn't always do it enthusiastically but if he doesn't do it, it starts to stink around here. and voters realize stuff is starting to stink so i do believe 87% of joe biden voters said from 2020 said they are going to vote for him again. i see that coalition begin to

reassemble but there is still work to do with the black voters. >> i agree with you. every two years we have the same conversation. are black folks motivated to turn on every two years? and we always do. we showed out and stopped the red wave happening. 2023, we stopped a number of anti-trans antivoting people getting into office. we have proven ourselves to be a constituency in a block that delivers and votes for candidates that support us. let's look at what voters are doing between now and election day. >> talk about the impact of not just black voters and lgbtq plus voters, but the two

combined. >> we have identified 26 million voters who prioritized lgbtq plus voters. four times the number of total registered voters in the state of florida alone and 16 million of those are also black. so when we think about the margin it will take to win. we know that the path to get to 270 is really going to be determined by tens of thousands of voters and a handful of states. for the outcome of the united states house and the local elections across the board. we have talked a lot about the

gender gap between black voters. that black men are showing up different than black women. that is a four-point gaffe between black men support for biden and black women support for biden. but we have been talking about the generation gap. younger black voters are 40 points less likely to support joe biden. we have to not only convince them to participate, but they have options in this election. there is not one state in america where there will only be two names on the ballot. so we see younger black voters, 10% of them considering donald trump and 10% considering third party candidates so there is work to do. that is where we see the erosion in the south line

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you might recognize my next guest as a veteran reporter who covered stories around the world. and hosts his own hoe sheer on msnbc. but tonight, we are getting a closer look at his story. in his new memoir, small acts of courage, my friend and colleague ali velshi shares his own family's remarkable journey. his life after moving to the united states and how small actions in life can help shape a person and their beliefs. i had an opportunity to sit down with ali and the inspiration behind his new

book. >> ali velshi, thank you for coming to the show to discuss your book, small acts of courage. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> and in that little bit of tv magic you and i worked together so much. but rarely are we in the same place together so i'm happy to be with you. >> not in new york, not in washington. so the book is incredible. and it starts out by talking about when you got shot by a rubber bullet in minneapolis. you go onto talk about a young man named jamal who you met when a liquor store was burning down and you had a conversation. you came to the realization, two sides of the same coin. i want to read what you wrote. up until the point i got shot, i wasn't fully invested in that american citizenship. because i didn't have to be. i was fortunate and privileged enough to be able to take it for granted.

meanwhile, he felt it had failed to provide him with rights and protections he had deserved and you go onto write it will require more than just reforming the way we police. it will require us to build a society where the rights, privileges and protections of citizenship and the responsibilities of citizenship are shared by all. and to me, that is the crystallization of why you wanted to write this book. >> you got it. because, jamal wasn't feeling that he was receiving the rights of citizenship to which he was entitled. i had grown up with no challenge to those rights. my parents and my sister grew up in apartheid. i was born in kenya with rights, an independent democratic nation. i grew up in canada. so i didn't feel the that there were any responsibilities on me as a citizen. in fact, before i went to get my u.s. citizenship, my main

complaint was i went to do jury duty if i get it. talk about the laziness of not wanting to be a citizen. and jamal was explaining to me why people have burned down this liquor store and were looting shops after the death of george floyd for which nobody had been charged by the time we had that conversation. and he was saying why am i subscribing to the system that doesn't offer me the protections and rights that it should be? and that was the realization we were two sides of the same coin. jamal and people he was talking about in minneapolis that night which was really black people at large in america needed to enjoy the privileges of citizenship more. >> you mentioned you were born in kenya, you came to the united states from canada and you write in your book with four passports in my desk

drawer, i was the jason bourn of cable news networks. you then eventually became a u.s. citizen. because of your colleague ashley banfield. fellow canadian who read you the riot act. >> about the jury duty complaint. >> but again, why did it take you so long to go from being a citizen and following through. to understanding oh wait. it is actually a lot more, really a lot more involved. >> i was moved by becoming a citizen. the morning i became a citizen. i walked into this room for people whom it matter more than it did for me. i was living here on a green card, a canadian. it wasn't doing to have much of an ifect on my life. we are all in the struggle together. my parents, 50 plus years ago came to the shores thinking their fight, their lifelong fight for democracy had ended.

and i realized in minneapolis, that night, it hasn't ended. it doesn't end. won't end. democracy, we say this year is really imperilled. democracy imperilled if you don't watch it. there are always those who will take it away. there are always those who will treat people unequally. so it was that moment in which i realized my citizenship is not the ceremony. not the event where i got my citizenship. where you realize you got the responsibility. i didn't have to grow up worrying about what i had to do to maintain democracy and do my part to hold it up. and now in this year, 2024, we are all realizing voting is the price of admission. that's the very least you can do. what about showing up to your school board? there is a lot more to it. >> are those examples you just gave, showing up for your school board meetings?

do those make up the small acts of courage? >> they do. small acts are important. they change the world. part of the concern i wanted to address in this book is the world feels very overwhelming. there's wars, climate change, authoritarianism. you can't change all that. you might be able to grow into changing all that. but the people i write about. gandhi, nelson mandela, martin luther king. they don't set up to change everything in every march in every effort. sometimes just change the thing in front of you. that might be you. self-improvement. the way you help someone get educated. but if we do the small things we mr. not only change the world. how many times have you discovered local politicians you would look at and easily say this person could be the

president of the united states. people are out there. do your part to nurture the goodness in society and the fairness and democracy and it can work. >> usually, i ask authors what do you hope people will take away from reading your book, but you just gave that answer. the name of the book is small acts of courage. the legacy of endurance and the fight for democracy. it was written by my colleague ali velshi. pick up this book to read ali's amazing story and his message. but also, pick up the book because you didn't know ali rode a motorcycle did you? you'll find that out in the book. congratulations. >> and we'll be back with more of the saturday show on msnbc right after the break. after th.

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