of work that is so joyful and playful and then yet moves to a place that is moving and for me that's what an evening at the theater should be. it should challenge you in all those ways while being entertaining. >> a unique experience. beautifully done. congratulations to you both. cabaret at the kit kat club is playing here on brad way. good to see you. >> thank you so much. >> that's all the time we have this weekend. we will be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern kicking off a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. nd. good morning. it's sunday, may 12. happy mother's day.

donald trump's -- after keeping quieting court. he unleashes on the judge and prosecutor in his criminal trial. this is a key witness is about to take the stand, andrew weissmann is here and what to expect when michael cohen testifies. a new warning from vice president kamala harris on the federal judiciary and the future of our fundamental rights. grab your coffee and settle in. welcome to the weekend. what can only be described as a bizarre rally in new jersey, donald trump had higher praise for hannibal lector and al capone than a one during to hold them accountable. in one petty attack him a workshop his newest nickname

for the manhattan da alvin bragg. he accused judge merchan presiding over the case of being , quote, highly conflicted. the main target of his latest public tantrums? that was president biden. apologies if this blows your practice, but we feel it's necessary to play this clip to see his gaslighting firsthand. >> joe is weak. only good at cheating on elections. it's not him. he is surrounded by fascists around the oval office. he is not him. he's good at achieving elections. >> joining us now founders of principle first. professor of history and author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> this raleigh is not surprising. it's the typical fare we get from donald trump. what fascinates me is his ability to continue to perpetuate the lie and the

gravitational force it has among voters out there that despite everything they know, and everything we have learned since january 6, there is still this movement in the direction of these lies. how do you assess what trump is doing, and why he is still successful doing despite everything that would undo anyone else in politics? >> it's so frustrating is a conservative who became a republican because i was against this victim hood status in politics. that is trump's only play. whether the elections, these trials, trump is the victim of the judge, the elector down the street who is a citizen engaged in the elections. everyone is out to get him. it is bizarre. this country has given trump everything.

he is not a victim. he owns hotels. he is not a particularly good businessman. yet, every time he comes up and talks about anything, it's always poor me. pour you. we are all in this together and they are out to get us. that is his trick in politics. it is frustrating to see. every week, something different and somebody to blame. >> i don't know about you. i do know about you. she has had are cupful of this crazy. >> donald trump keeps telling us who he is. ruth, i am concerned that people are not taking what he is saying seriously. the thing he rails against the judge. he rails against fascist. they need to take him seriously.

the crazy is concerning because the crazy could be back in the oval office if people are not diligent with their vote. >> absolutely. one way to take it seriously is to see him as part of a broader authoritarian pattern. the whole victim thing, miscellany used to style himself as a victim. it's a fundamental part of the authoritarian playbook. in turkey, erdogan says he's a victim. putin says the whole nation is a victim. this goes with depicting your opponents as a real fascist. now ramping up this new talking point that biden is surrounded by fascist. biden is an authoritarian. that worries me because guess who was the first person to say he represented freedom and democracy. it was miscellany. that's another talking .100 years later that trump is using this. we know what happened when mussolini and hitler were not taken seriously early on. people thought they were clowns.

buffoons. we have this wisdom of history and we need to use it today. >> part of that is the fact he is attacked in the judiciary. the fact he is specifically attacking judge merchan. that's an attack on that specific judge, but also an attack on the system overall. >> actually, what he is doing is -- it's part of a massive and concerted attempt to delegitimize the whole democratic system. all the institutions but especially the judiciary. authoritarians always go after the judiciary judges and prosecutors sitting in jail in russia and turkey. forced out in hungry. trump has attacked judges 138 times. publicly since 2022. that's an example. it's a systematic thing. he knows what he's doing. he's an effective propagandist.

>> what are the other aspects of this. heath, that i think is fascinating -- you have trump corrupting the internal organs of the republican party which you and i diligently fought those battles back in the day to bring some common sense solutions we thought would work for the american people. have the back and forth with democrats. that is now gone. the plate has been reshaped with something different. that something different other republicans who say, i do not like trump. okay? the next question is who are you voting for? i think i will write someone's name and i will not vote. you have nikki haley out there still racking up a lot of votes and you have political reporting that the biden campaign is looking at nikki

haley voters as a co-part of the coalition. as long what that, we have a friend in the former lieutenant governor of georgia, duncan, who is come out and made a clarion call that could also move republicans into the coalition. what is your assessment of that opportunity to get republicans, to create that permission structure, if you will, for them to say, i know i'm not dancing with trump. let me go at least and see what joe biden is doing? >> i think you will see more folks like lieutenant governor duncan come out and make that leap. the stakes are high. he realizes he. he was on the front lines in georgia. he and brad raffensperger, they know how close we came. this is not a time to go right in ronald reagan. you know? the stakes are high. you can do that if you want, but at some point, there has to

be a line. >> how do you make that argument? what's the argument we make to those republicans? what should they be hearing. which is the biden team be saying to them? >> look, standing with ukraine. foreign-policy is one. look at trump versus biden, and i don't really like either of them. they are not my cup of tea but trump said he would sell out ukraine in 24 hours. this guy is always praising strongmen. he basically likes vladimir putin. when you compare the two it's not even close. president biden has been president for four years and he will be a second term lame- duck. let's get rid of this trump guy. then the republican party can heal and talk about what it will do to actually contribute to the future of the country. right now, the discussion is not about policy at all. it's about trump every day.

>> you know what? i feel like i'm a fly on the wall at the country club. this is an important conversation. i am by your point, get rid of trump, then the adults in the republican party can come back in the room. i am wondering what ruth thinks of this. what about the fact that it's not just term. trump at this point, he's a problem, he is a symptom, but it is deeper than him. i am looking at the tree capitol and i think of the people that came right out there on the steps on january 6. i think of all the republican members of congress willing to go along into donald trump's bidding regarding what it is including the current speaker of the house. what do you say to that? it feels like this has infected the root. >> there certainly has been a lack of leadership throughout the republican party.

trump has taken up the oxygen in the room because there are no leaders in the republican party. everybody has followed him in a train because nobody has dared to take him on on any of the stuff. that's an element of it. i think there is frustration among republican voters. they do not like they are having to continue to excuse this stuff. >> that's reflected in the numbers for nikki haley. >> 30 points. over 20%. indiana. been out of the race for three months. what's going on? >> that is an important question in terms of how the politics of this begins to get reshaped, as you have republicans getting that fog out of their eyes and going, there is another option. there is another way and finding the permission structure.

which is important when dealing with authorities trying to clampdown, like you said, on the judiciary and other aspects of the governing society, to make them less relevant to the idea of what this country is about. therefore, i need a strongman to fix it. >> absolutely. i would go farther. trump, uncle strongman, has a strict use and discard attitude toward people. he has used the republican party cynically to to power. he has dominated them and made them his personal toll. look what happened to the rnc, he has lara trump, his daughter- in-law which is typical authoritarian thing. you put your families and cronies in charge. he will starve the rnc and make it his personal tools all the funds have to go to reelecting him and probably for paying his personal legal expenses which the rnc has a history of doing. those republicans are going to be like people i quote in my book who are members of the

fascist party, officials of the fascist party, sitting in jail because they did stop for miscellany, and they are saying, i wish i had known earlier that he was sent to destroy the country and not to save them. >> stick around. we've got more we want to talk about. next president biden is sounding the alarm about trump's project 2025. there should be an alarm sounded. michael cohen is said to take the stand in just over 24 hours. andrew weissmann a former national enquirer editor locklin cartwright previews what is ahead for trump's criminal trial. so, i didn't think i needed swiffer. until... i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it. it only takes a minute. look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick for amazing trap and lock. even for his hair. wow! and for dust i love my heavy duty duster.

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the battle for the soul of the nation is far from over. we were just discussing it and frankly that's what president biden's campaign has been road morning voters as they lay out the threat of a second trump term. biden told supporters at a fundraiser this week, quote, the biggest threat to trump poses is a threat to our democracy. a set a lot of people liked it when i said i'd be a dictator and a one. biden slam the lectern saying he would, quote, make sure that did not happen. they are back with us. >> dictator on day one. >> i went to take a listen to what the former president said at his rally yesterday about deporting college campus.

we will not let colleges taken over five violent radicals. if you try to bring the hottest summer anti-americanism or anti- semitism to our campuses, we will immediately deport you. you will be out of the school. >> that is rife with islamophobia. xena phobia and it's not the first time he has promised to deport americans. >> people need to realize there will be vast numbers of people deported. he is talking millions and millions of undocumented immigrants as well as protesters . muslims will be targeted. with authoritarians it's always worse than you can imagine. not only can you bring the unthinkable into's being but they do it at scale. the third of my book is about

military coups and i'm really worried because trump said he doesn't consider undocumented immigrants to be civilians when he was asked about using the military against and have in the military help to deport people. if you don't consider them civilians that means you can consider them combatants or terrorist. we have to realize the scope and the qualitative and quantitative dimensions of what might happen if he comes back to the white house. >> the other aspect to what ruth just said, for me, one, those students are not from foreign countries. they are american citizens. my concern is if he's not going to deport citizens who protest, he will likely put them in jail or some type of camp facility. we have already heard him say this. the other aspect of this which is interesting to pay attention

to is what the washington post reported about trump promising oil ceos to steer $1 billion to his campaign noted, trump's response stuns several of the executives in the room, overlooking the ocean. you all are well the end of he said that you should raise $1 billion to return me to the white house. he reversed dozens of biden's environmental rules and policies. in addition to ruth's alarm about the military, heath, you have the undoing of both other policies and other agencies and other groups of interest. the business community. the legal community and et cetera that trump wants to dismantle and reshape into his own image. >> that is right. we know what they want to do. project 2025. we know he will put stephen miller in charge of immigration. in one way, it's a mistake to

assume that trump knows what any of this is or what he is doing because he will just hand the keys over to a bunch of these incompetent people that will do his bidding in the tight squeeze when he wants them to bend over and rollover and do his bidding. look, stephen miller has no idea what the rules are, what the laws are. he is reaching back to the comstock act, 19th-century laws, to do whatever they can do to john up there basin some of these xena phobic policies. >> i mean, yes. i am no stephen miller fan. i don't think that's surprising for folks at home to learn. you know? he is ivy league trained lawyer who said at the highest levels of the government and now knows

things he did not know before. when i went to the white house, there were things i did not know, but put me back in the puppy -- and i'm not going back. now i know more than i knew before and there may have been thick so what do differently. i am most concerned because you talk about project 2025. let's put it on the screen. they are saying abortion is not health care. the single greatest threat to unborn children. entitlements are deficit prock ms. medicare medicaid problems. minority rights, just minorities. delete the term sexual orientation, diversity, equity, inclusion, abortion, reproductive health care. i didn't know that was in the same bucket out of every piece of legislation. education. the department of education will be eliminated. ukraine, u.s. should not continue their involvement. the talk about that they want the department of health to become the department of life. there is a strategy here. i agree donald trump may not know the nitty-gritty, but they

are organizing. they are organize this time. >> look, i think that's right. the people around trump, the people of glommed onto his train he has created, the realize he doesn't have any clue about the policy and does not care, quite frankly, and he will say whatever he is feeling in the moment. they put together these shadow organizations. what you will have if he's selected is random people in the executive branch. the people that glommed onto his machine. the people who don't have any democratic accountability whatsoever making these decisions in the executive branch. probably trump will have no clue. and you will get this crazy stuff that in other administrations, work through the process, would've been reviewed by people who have been close to it and understand what you can and cannot do.

that will be all gone and a trump administration. it's not good. >> there are two elements from project 2025 want to underline. one is the piece about ukraine. the u.s. should not continue involvement. we are talking about authoritarianism, on a global scale but also this from the huffington post. there's a gop plan for execution sperry of trump wins the white house and project 2025 mindy for america, there's a directive to executive or remaining every death row prisoner and to persuade the supreme court to expand the types of crimes that can be punished with death sentences. >> remember at the end of the trump presidency, he and william barr went on an execution sperry. trump -- authoritarianism is about controlling bodies, plundering bodies, plundering the workforce, plundering the environment. killing as many people as you can, actually. detaining as many people.

trump is obsessed with these kinds of things. that's why he is talking about al capone. that's why he said at this rally, al capone, if you had dinner with him and you he didn't like you, the next day he was dead. he threatens people all the time. we are seeing this in his criminal trial and the quotes that come up. i take this very seriously. i do not think that random people will come back in a second trump presidency. they will be chosen among the most flawless people who as michael said the permission structure is there to commit violence. that is why trump wants immunity. he wants to be able to kill and detain as many people as possible and support autocrats and do everything he needs to do without paying any price. >> we always say the stakes are high. i will take you at your word when a saiz these things we should believe him. thank you very much for getting us started. the ranking member the

house foreign affairs committee democratic congressman is at the table as president biden makes new remarks on a potential cease-fire deal in gaza. you are watching the weekend . weekend .

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you both run campaigns. i went up all of two headlines and let you talk about. one is from "the washington post". officials in arizona, georgia, and michigan freaking out because they're not getting the funding, the staffing, briefings they have been promised since the trump's took over the rnc. nbc, biden is tapping obama, george clooney, julia roberts, and clinton's for fundraisers. we can talk about these concepts at the end of the day but a lot of campaigning comes into the. do you have the funds in the operation to get it done? >> i mean, mr. chairman, you

need the money because you need to build infrastructure. donald trump doesn't have an infrastructure. not because he doesn't have any money. the money is going to his legal woes. that, i believe, see really hampering any actual campaign efforts. i don't know if they opened an office anywhere in the country. and so, if they aren't getting money and you have an open campaign offices of your own, to me it doesn't seem the trump campaign is planning to win. people would be saying joe biden is not serious and doesn't want to be president. i am trying to figure out why we are taking donald trump so seriously. >> thank you, thank you. that is the point. i go back to the way the media covers these two campaigns. they hold the biden campaign to a standard, to a traditional standard. they are looking for traditional benchmarks.

do you have organization? you raising money? are you having rallies? that's not the case here because donald trump is all about the bling. the wild and the crazy. it's a different style and people get sucked into it but at the end of the day, you have to have and organization on the ground. the state party chairman are freaking out because, at this point in the presidential campaign, they have the red. the dollars have been identified and allocated for them. they know what they need to do to get their vote. here is what trump is relying on. in this rally he did in new jersey, you have the organizers saying there were close to 100,000 people there. okay, fine. then you have -- >> do we believe him? >> i don't care if it's one or 1 million. again, that's not translating to organization and -- on the

ground. 1 million can show but if only 20,000 are voting for you, all you had was a big beach blanket bingo with donald trump. that's it. you are hoping you get the right square. you have this woman quoted, the everyday american people are 100% behind him said doreen, 62- year-old nurse from philadelphia. they have to cheat and smear him and humiliate him in the courtroom every single day. that is trump's organization. he is not worried about the infrastructure the way it traditional campaign would put together infrastructure. if i've got people who believe anything i tell them, and that infection is spread out. the only problem he has is, will she turn out to vote? >> i think she might but what about the independent vote? the way any republican or democrat wins a primary is not how the win a general election.

it's a different electorate. what donald trump is doing is not speaking to a broader electorate. you have joe biden who was being -- about his coalition working to expand it. i guess my one added to what i said is i'm thinking when jamie damon was doing a panel on cnbc and he said donald trump is right. people don't like to say it but donald trump is right a lot. those are the folks i am concerned about. >> then you need to ask? >> he was right a lot even though is not doing anything to earn their vote except promising to give money to billionaires. >> what was he right about? mr. diamond, you put that out there. what was he right about? >> he said immigration. >> putting kids in cages? that was the immigration policy of the trump era, administration.

the reality is you cannot in this environment, you don't get away with saying, donald trump was right. i dislike his policies. take that stuff out and tell me. what i saw on went through may have been different from you. the last thing i remember kids in cages and covid. the reality of it is the biden campaign is doing the organization, infrastructure, and top layering that with messaging. trump is all about the message, and could you learn how to read a teleprompter? how long have you been doing this? >> we are not giving trump advice. we have to talk about foreign policy between biden and trump. obviously, part of expanding the coalition, biden is done a lot as it relates to foreign policy, especially around a israel/hamas war. next, we will talk out israel ordered palestinians out of

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president biden says there would be a cease-fire in gaza tomorrow if hamas would release the israeli hostages it has been hoping since october 7. the president told donors at a fundraiser in seattle last night calm it's up to hamas if they want to do it, we could end it tomorrow. a cease-fire would begin tomorrow. the comments come as israeli -- israel orders new evacuation center about that is a sign that the army may be prepared to expand its operations in the city. the ranking member the house foreign affairs committee democratic congressman greg remakes of the great state of near joins us now. welcome. >> good to be with you. >> i want you to take this remarks from president biden and put them side-by-side with

what it is we heard from former president trump last night in new jersey. i'm not going to make you listen to him but he criticized the current president for threatening to withhold weapons a set i support israel's right to its war on terror. is that okay? i don't know. i don't know if that's good or bad. i don't care. you've got to do what's right. if you were explaining this contrast in policy to voters, how do you do that? >> look, i think clearly president biden has shown he has strong support for israel. that's why we voted to get the weapons to them in a timely fashion when republicans were holding it up. but, we are concerned what -- what president biden is concerned about his innocent lives being lost which is a consideration. i am talking about values. the difference between joe biden and donald trump throughout his the values that

biden holds against the values trump. trump doesn't care about anybody else and anybody -- any other human life but his own. president biden cares about humanitarian aid. he cares about innocent lives being lost. he believed we've got to get hamas. he believes in having a cease- fire, but he understands there -- the hostages must be release. one is talking in a humane way considering everyone involved and looking at a two-state solution at the end which is what we should all be moving to. the way we transform the middle east is with a two-state solution. we've got that opportunity with the other arab countries for the first time. the setting had been made for the first time, they are on board. i talked last week with ambassadors from saudi arabia, qatar, they all want the same

thing and they want to work with israel. and they did with regards to when iran attacked israel. working in a multilateral way is important and not moving on your own and without the values we think we stand for. >> the thing about donald trump is he often times attacks everyone without any nuance. whoever he's attacking the day, he paints with a broad brush stroke and he lies a lot. his criticism, if you will come about president biden and what he said, peter baker has a great piece in the "new york times" where peter baker knows biden is not the first u.s. president to cut off weapons to israel. other presidents including ronald reagan use the power of american arms to flares israeli war policy. the comparison underscores how much of politics of israel has changed over the years. i would note eisenhower

threatened economic sanctions to force israel to withdraw from the sun peninsula. that your history lesson. the politics -- maybe the politics have changed or is it that prime minister netanyahu has dug his heels in so much and catered to the right wing within his country that are keeping him in power. couple that with the rise of social media and the expansion of social media, people talk about these colleges, not just college students but people see the images out of the gaza strip. that is contributing to what folks are saying right now. >> the people of israel before october 7 and after october 7 have been in the streets against netanyahu. he has been a problem even before october 7. and, he's a problem now. he and donald trump are almost

one in the same. they have indictments and people against their policies. as you stated correctly, he has a right-wing government who does not care about humanity or humanitarian aid. some have said that outwardly. there is an issue in that regard. that's why it is important that we continue with our values, and continue for the sake and the benefit of the majority of the israeli people. is netanyahu listening to his right wing excessively? absolutely. that is what they are doing. forget the president of the united states, forget the other allies in the region, you do what we tell you we will leave the coalition which will bring that government down. what netanyahu is trying to stay in power. what we should do is try to think about not netanyahu and

him and power but think of the people of israel. how we can change their lives. here is an opportunity. how have we never heard saudi arabia talking about normalizing relationships with israel? think of the bahraini and and jordanians. i met with the king not too long ago. they want to work with israel. that hasn't happened. you know what? it's not just talk when iran attacked them, jordan, saudi arabia, egypt they all was on board with israel. there is unity for israel. it is how we move forward to keep the unity there. >> i think it's while these things are happening because of diplomacy and his administration and joe biden isn't getting any -- he still being criticized. >> that is an important point that symone is making. how it's being translated to the rest of the country.

it does seem like, and i have argued this, symone, alicia, on the show and outside the show that this work has been going on. the president has moved this issue in israel between the u.s. and israel. israel and hamas, with all the partners you just outlined to appoint where it stopped exploding. there is a little bit of a cap on it. if things are in discussion, why hasn't that been able to translate to the american people in a way that they see the foreign policy success? success is not just, we've got this grand announcement today. success is when stuff doesn't happen. that his success. when the bad stuff does not happen. how does the administration communicate that? it's the same issue with ukraine.

you have these twin pillars of opportunity the administration has leaned into and made severe and important movements in but the american people think, ukraine, i don't want to waste my money. israel, the poor -- you know, advocating for hamas without understanding what hamas is. >> the world is different now. the world is smaller than it used to be. what donald trump says, america alone, he does not care about allison working collectively. whether it's nato, other allies around the world, joe biden is focused on bringing our allies together. if you are the leader of the free world, you have to have somebody with you. you cannot be by yourself. diplomacy is what joe biden talks about, and diplomacy is hard. it's easy to say i'm going to blow everybody up. it's hard to get people together and work together.

joe biden is utilizing his experience. when he was in the senate and vice president and now, talking to people and bringing allies together because that's what will make the world a safer place. we will not be safe if we are by ourselves. those two illusions that you thought would isolate us because they would protect us? that's no longer true. we are doing things in a multilateral way. we are helping somebody else and also helping ourselves. there's national security interest of the united states of america and that's why diplomacy is very important. when we were attacked on 9/11, it was a european countries and nato that came together. the only time article five was implemented was working together with us. similarly, on october 7, everybody was with israel. we locked in. all the countries. everybody is still with israel. nobody wants hamas to continue

to exist other than iran. we saw that. everyone else is focused. that's why we are in a unique situation that joe biden put us in so we can get the cease- fire, we want hamas out, but then fundamentally change what is taking place in the middle east. we can have a jewish state side by side with the palestinian state. two-state solution and living together along with jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, bahrain, uae. of the countries around the. that puts pressure on a rogue nation like iran who don't want any peace in the region. that is what joe biden is doing. that is hard work but he starting to accomplish it. i can see the end result will be a better middle east. what we have to do now is get to that cease-fire and joe biden is right.

we can get there immediately if hamas releases those hostages. move forward. i have talked to some of our arab countries. they are willing for the first time to invest in gaza and the west bank. they never said that before. >> conversations with of the most to release hostages because everybody knows that is the key that unlocks everything towards a cease-fire? >> when we met in a bipartisan way i might add with the king, he said put more pressure on us to get hamas to really stash they are ready and trying to do it. he said it. they are willing to be more engaged than ever but they need a cease-fire. put the pressure on hamas in this regards so innocent people are not continuing to die.

i think that's what joe biden is saying. he's saying, he's not taking weapons away for not standing by israel. >> children in gaza. it seems straight up to me. >> thank you so much. congressman gregory meeks, thank you. lara trump's spin game needs work. it does. poor thing. the cochair of the rnc is already in hot water to no one's surprise. be sure to follow us on social media to find out more about that and a whole lot more. our handle is everywhere @the weekendmsnbc

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the election results. stop it. these folks think they can spew out lies and distort the truth, and everybody is like, that's exactly it. donald trump supports joe biden's election in 2020. stop it. it doesn't work like that. another thing? let me make it clear, you cannot have ballots counted after elections are over? yeah, you can. it's called elections and that's how they work. you need to talk to those red state legislators who changed the laws, you know why? so many people voting that they had to count the votes after and set up the process so every vote could get counted. that's the way it works. some states do not allow you to start counting until after the election is over and after 8:00 . understand the process. i know you were just installed by your father-in-law to run

the rnc but you're not the chairman. you are the cochairman. where is the chairman? i have not heard squat from the chairman of the rnc. i was a former chairman. what are you doing? >> i love a good sunday morning holy ghost drag. >> stop it. organize the party if you want to win. you do not have to cheat. >> you've got my chairman riled up this morning. >> too many of us work too hard to do with the right way and you come up with stupid. >> take a sip. it's all right. we have another hour straight- ahead of the weekend there will be more holy ghost rakes. we will talk with legal analyst, andrew weissmann the former national inquirer editor, lachlan cartwright. that's all coming up. stay with us.

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