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appliances than women. i'm aman moyelledy, let's do it. >> i made a pledge to your state, you have highest energy costs in the country. in the first year, they will be reduced by 50%. because we are going to drill, baby drill. >> that was trump bragging about dismantling president biden's green agenda if he wins a second term in november. now his positions on climate policy are on sale to the highest bidder. a stunning new report by the washington post details a meeting at mar-a-lago last month between donald trump and about two dozen top oil executives. dourg a dinner, one executive complained they spent $400 million lobbying the biden administration and had nothing to show for it. the president had still not changed his position on some

pretty inconvenient environmental regulations. and that's when trump reportedly shocked some people in the room saying you all are wealthy enough that you should raise $1 billion to return me to the white house. trump reportedly claimed $1 billion would be a deal because how much he would limit taxes and regulations. the expresident vowed to immediately end the biden administration's freeze on permits for new liquefied natural gas exports, a top priority for executives according to three people present. trump said you will get it on the first day an attendee recalled. he also said he would auction off more leases for oil drilling in the gulf of mexico, railed against wind power, and committed to reversing restrictions on drilling in the alaskan arctic. nbc news has not independently verified the reporting but this is a donald trump that we are very familiar with, a deal maker, a showman and a climate change denier who claimed it is

a hoax concocted by china. he is a presidential candidate desperate for cash due to a mountain of heel fees and he is spending precious time that he could use to fundraise inside a manhattan courthouse. but there is something more sinister at play here. this is a potential two term president reportedly putting global survivability on the line to enrich himself. beyond the deep and potentially irreversible for our climate, his comments are disturbing o bliteration of norms surrounding lobbying. if trump said he believes regulations are bad and renewable energy is over hyped and he hoped those who agreed would donate to the campaign, that he would be in the normal promters of courting donors. but the washington post suggests he flipped around the ask, proposing instead that a

specific amount of money could ensure he would take specific action. it is a glaring undeniable flaunting of trump's corruption and no need to split hairs here. take this as a reminder and warning, donald trump's claims that he is a political outsider are nothing more than a sham. he said he is different, that he is not like the establishment politicians he has slammed over the yours. he's right. he is way more brazen than any other politician we have seen in this country. if trump is willing to take on an approach that we have seen from dictators overseas, bringing wealthy people into his orbit and asking them directly for what they want, what is to stop him from using the playbook with foreign powers like saudi arabia or russia? under second donald trump presidency, is america for sale? joining me now to discuss this are kim lane sheply, professor of sociology at princeton

university and michelle goldberg, analyst and columnist at "the new york times". great to have you with us. professor, i will start with you. there are many layers of concerns to address here. what strikes you about the implications of trump reportedly telling oil executives to pay up and get him to the white house in exchange for oil friendly policies? this is not normal lobbying. >> no, it's absolutely not normal lobbying. he has put a price tag on the planet. give him a billion dollars and he will cancel all of the renewables, all of the activities that president biden has done to try to bring the u.s. into line with climate change targets. so no, this is quite extraordinary and it is not uncommon as your column said for a president to say, here are the values i stand for, if you believe in them, support me. but this sounded a little more

thuggish. this was, if you don't raise a billion dollars for me, maybe i won't dothat but if you do, i will happily sell the policies. that is out of line. >> michelle, do you think or to what extent do you think the $1 billion ask of oil executives is linked to his financial woes, that this is a man in desperate financial need of money? the campaign says it raised $76 million in april. he is facing significant cash deficits in the presidential race and through the end of march. president biden has more than twice as much money as trump he has mounting legal bills, he can't compete financially. this is a gueye who needs money, right? >> right. i don't know that this -- the difficult thing in parsing this latest outrage is that it is both as you said shocking but

completely unsurprising, completely unpredictable and completely in line with the way we know donald trump has done business since he glided down that nightmarish elevator and into our lives. so we know already from his last term in office that he ran the white house like a business for personal gain, had a hotel where people could go and make donations to his personal welt while they wanted all sorts of favors both foreign and domestic. there is no question that now he needs the money even more because he has all of the judgments against him. he has the dissolution of the company. so he is running not just to stay out of prison, although that would be top of mind, but to rebuild his floundering empire. there is no doubt he will

auction off american policy in the service of dog that. >> professor, do you think trump is using the possibility of a second term as president to not only sell policy but to enrich himself? or is this about lining his own pockets and paying for legal fees to avoid jailtime? he has potentially four criminal cases he has to deal with. >> he is obviously in hawk in legal fees. he has used a couple of pacs already to pay for the lawyers. they are running down in funds and he needs a replennishment. but what i'm worried about here is something else . trump basically announced for a billion dollars, the oil and gas executives can get this deal. he said it in a room full of people where it was certainly going to leak. this sends a signal to anyone

else who wants to buy policy that if they approach him one on one where there are not likely to find leaks, we will find policies of all sorts on sale. trump is a salesman and he has announced to the world that policy is for sale. >> and to that point, it is an interesting observation by the professor and it begs for question, what do the rest of us do as we watch trump signal tothe rest of the world that he is for sale? if it is not for oil, maybe for arms or something else. the new republic reports that senators like sheldon white house say that it is highly likely that dale investigate the meeting with oil executives but how should lawmakers respond to the revelation and what kind of action should they take if any? >> part of the difficulty here is that we are not going to get campaign finance reform in the next six months. so there is a lot of steps that congress should have taken to

ensure that a particularly corrupt demagogue couldn't sell off america for parts. but they didn't do it. now hoar we are. you know, also the republican judges have a big role to play in that. so look, i think that the only thing that -- if america doesn't want to basically put itself up for sale, then they have six months to try to win this election. because everything is at stake, right? democracy, the planet, and part of the difficulty i think is that the stakes are so huge but people are so beaten down. they are so bludgeoned. they are so numb that it is really difficult to keep reminding ourselves of the heldaceous situation that we are all sort of sleep walking

towards. >> professor, trump has been a climate change denier for many, many years. the courting of the oil industry isn't a surprise. what are the stakes of the brand of corruption around u.s. climate policy inany? >> so many stakes. first of all, the world is running out of time to do something serious about climate change. one thing i might say is that many of our peer democracies are going much farther than the u.s. is and the courts are going farther than the u.s. courts have gone. our courts are now packed with republican judges and particularly with the trump judges, during the process of dismantling environmental regulations, even if trump doesn't do it. so i'm afraid while the election is crucial to keeping america not for sale, we already have in place a court that has been dismantling regulations. our peer countries are stepping up to the plate and the courts are making them step up to the

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flooil donald trump may never admit it, it is obvious he still has a nikki haley problem two months after she dropped out of the race. haley's ghost continues to haunt trump in some significant and ominous ways. here's trump attempting to brush off the fact that haley won more than 20% of the vote in

indiana's primary. >> all of those people will come to me because what is their choice? biden? he is the worst president in the history of our country. he is incompetent. they are all coming to me. woe see it already, they are all coming to me. >> yeah. last week nbc news confirmed reportings she has been meeting with donors and has no current plans to endorse trump. trump dismissed an axios report that said the campaign was actively considering haley as a running mate as a way to attract college educated republicans. joining me is a fellow from city college new york and michelle goldberg is back with us as well. christina, how big of a thorn in trump's side is nikki haley? you heard him trying to down play winning more than 20% of the primary vote despite exiting the race in march. >> yeah, she is definitely a thorn. if show wasn't, he wouldn't be speaking about her. donald trump has spent the last

few weeks in a courtroom so donors and republican voters are really thinking, what is our option just in case he can't go across the finish line on november 5? nikki haley is still having meetings. the fact that she has not been on the ballot in two months but voters are still as a protest vote or they want someone who is not donald trump and all of the baggage, so it is incumbent upon democrats to remind republicans about the chaos that this man brought on our lives for four years. and a lot of weak kneed republicans and independents are exhausted by that. and abortion is a major issue. as long as democrats can keep hammering it home, it is a winning issue in every state every time it is on the ballot. that is something they need to think about, to chip away at the margins of the trump/haley voters. >> take us into the thinking if there is any inside of the haley camp at this moment. do you think haley is waiting to wait it out and see what happens

to trump legally speaking before offering her endorsement? perhaps that was her rationale for staying in the presidential primary for so long, on the off chance that he would be unable to run. but is there any play depending on how the manhattan trial plays out? >> do i think there is any play to get rid of donald trump as the republican nominee absent an act of god? no, i really don't. i would like to think that nikki haley is with holding their endorsement in the hope of peag the future of a post trump republican party and would maybe join with the few decent republicans like the former lieutenant governor of georgia who said because donald trump is such an ethically depraved person that they will vote for joe biden as much as they disagree with him, that said, i feel like, we have seen again

and again every main stream republican, not every republican but the vast majority who try to make a show of their distance from trump end up bending the knee. that seems to be what donald trump is counting on. i think it is striking that you saw in that clip, he is not making a pitch to haley voters. he is not trying to invite them to his tent the way joe biden has directly. it is more of a sneering, where else are you going to go. >> the other interesting thing, speaking of nikki haley voters, specifically on trump, you have rfk jr. who is outflanking him on the crazies and you have nikki haley outflanking him among the college educated republicans, perhaps a little bit of the never trumpers. where do you potentially see her voters going? is it to trump or to biden? >> it depends on whether or not democrats can make a case to her

particular voters. they don't seem as rabid as trump supporters. they by and large tend to be a little more educated. if we can think of the social issues as economic issues. forcing a woman to have a child is an economic issue. climate change is an economic issue for business owners, small and large. so all of these democratic foundational principles that joe biden is putting forth for the party, he can possibly speak to certain nikki haley voters because we have seen republicans by and large as michelle said, they talk a good game and they vacillate but at the end of the day, they go back to the camp they are most comfortable and hold their nose and vote for donald trump and get the tax cut. obviously, donald trump is more nervous because polling says when rfk is in the race, he chips away at some of the base. i'm curious to see if what we saw in 1992 where ross perot is in the race and he doesn't win any electoral college votes but

he geds 19 million votes and puts a real dent in george h.w. bush's voting base. that is probably making trump a little more nervous, especially if joe biden can chip away at the nikki haley voters since he is assuming there will be democrats that will abstain because they are disappointed in certain policies of the administration. >> trump dismissed the axios reporting that he was considering nikki haley as a running mate. there was a suggestion that they both need her politically speaking. trump needs her voters and fundraising. haley wants a future in the republican party that will at least for now have to run through donald trump. what do you make of this kind of symbiotic relationship and is that the case? do you agree with that? >> i can see why he needs her or could benefit from having her on the ticket. it would shore up -- it's not

right to say his moderate flank but more of the establishment flank, shore up the flank of the people who don't want to burn the existing system to the ground. that said, it is really difficult for me to put myself inside of the mind of any of these candidates except maybe kristi noem or some of these other figures. >> please don't put yourself inside her mind. >> it is very difficult for me to see why nikki haley would imagine that her future runs through donald trump when you can see very well what has happened to all of the other republicans. i guess she got out of the first trump administration relatively unscathed. but who looks at mike pence, not just mike pence but jeff sessions, all of these other people who hitched their wagon to trump and thought, that is my -- that's the path to the future. >> i was thinking rex tillerson, john kelly who served the administration have been cast

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watch out, the government is coming for your gas stove. >> not only is biden coming for your paycheck, but he is also coming for your stove. >> big brother is coming for your kitchen, so naturally they decided gas powered stoves are racist and they have to go. >> no one is going to tell i can't cook with gas. >> remember the gas stove hysteria from the republicans last year? now they have a solution. they passed legislation that would make it harder to change energy standards. this is one of several bills on the gop agenda. five others will receive votes

soon includingerty in laundry act, the clothes dryers reliability act. it is maddening to some of their democratic colleagues who are concerned with more than the rights of home appliances. >> we seem to have some republicans who forget that the best mother's day president is to honor what mothers need. instead they are offering bills to give appliances more rights than women. >> all right michelle and christina are back with us. i know it is hard to keep a straight face when you talk about republicans and what their priorities are but we will try. michelle, i wanted to get your response with republicans' apparent fixation on home appliances as we heard from congresswoman theresa leger fernandez. >> i think it is not just democrats frustrated with these bills. there was an article in axios that a lot of republicans are

embarrassed by these kind of pathetic messaging bills. when the republican party has to pass legislation through the house, they need hakeem jeffries to help them do it. the only thing they can do to give, to telegraph their priorities are pass these really ridiculous, silly messaging bills that they can peal off a few democrats for. but it is completely meaningless and in as much as they think this will be my stove, my choice, in as much as they think this is going to be a soft to women who are kind of soured on the republican party because it has stripped them of the right to bodily atonomy, it just demonstrates how they see women's role in society and the degree of contempt that they have for us. >> to that point christina, why do you think there is such a

disconnect between what people and women in particular need right now in current 2024 america and what the gop is prioritizing with legislation like the hands off our homes appliances act? >> right. the larger legislation that democrats are supporting and republicans are staunchly against , they know they don't have the numbers. the vast majority of the polling shows the country is not on the side of the republican party. most americans do believe in a woman's right to choose. most americans believe in rights for the lgbtq community. most americans do think that climate change is a problem and we should think about it. the list goes on and on. so when it comes to policy, the republican party is out of step with where the vast majority of american people are so they pass these musings bills or propose these bills and unfortunately,

sometimes democrats sort of follow the shenanigans instead of just saying, listen, we don't have time for this. we are trying to build the party and get young people interested in this. we are trying to pass legislation. let's not get distracted by your washington machine or air conditioner and get back to the fact which is that republicans are trying to say that you as a grown woman don't get to make decisions about your body. you as a grown man may have to pay for a child because you are forcing a woman who cannot choose. there is a larger conversation that democrats are starting to have in certain states but they have to make sure they don't get distracted by the nonsense that republicans are throwing out there. they don't want to talk about climate change, abortion, book bans, the lgbtq community because they know they are on the wrong side of history and the data is showing that the voters don't want to support

them in either. >> michelle, i want to play a clip of hillary clinton on msnbc on thursday and get your response. >> i thought i would literally throw up listening to the oral argument before the supreme court about you know, whether or not doctors and hospitals and nurses have to give emergency care to pregnant women who show up in emergency rooms. and to hear male justices of the supreme court parsing how many organs you have to lose in order to be eligible for emergency treatment? honestly, it was the handmaid's tale come alive. >> michelle, your response to that and to the broader point that she is making about the supreme court? watching the supreme court oral arguments on emergency access abortion? >> yeah, she is absolutely

right. it was positively dispopian. it is lucky for republicans that we don't have cameras in the courthouse because you could just make -- joe biden has a lot of donald trump did this advertisements about the various ways that abortion bans following the end of roe v. wade have tortured women but i think that would really put it in a nut shell, these kind of men stroking their chins about how close a woman has to be -- how much kind of medical disstress a woman has to be in before emergency room doctors should have to intervene. you know, i would love for that audio to be heard by every voter in the united states. >> christina, speaking of the gop agenda and home appliances, remember senator katie britt's response to the state of the uniwhen she emphasized home

values in a spotless beige kitchen? it is emblematic of where republicans values are. >> we saw that staging in the kitchen. you don't have to be a man to uphold patriarchy. we have seen republican white women do that consistently. so as we scratch our heads and say women are against some of these policies, we have to remember that republicans have done a very good job of planting the seeds within the women within their party so they can uphold the mantle and carry it across the finish line. they can have their female members of the house support the bills that are antthetical to a woman's right to choose. >> michelle, i have to ask you about the rights that should be prioritized for the election cycle. there is little to be done in the next six months before the election but assuming democrats are able to reverse course in the house and hold onto the senate in retaining the white

house, what becomes the priority going into 2025? >> well, look. one thing that democrats should have done yesterday is to repeal the comstock act. it is a victorian era law that is in place, much like in arizona there was an abortion ban from 1864 that they never bothered to repeal until recent late because they thought it was moot, the comstock contact was a law that banned the mailing of contraception and all sorts of things and a lot of republicans think they can use it to ban the abortion pill but also surgical abortion as well without getting a new federal law. >> all right. dr. christina greer and michelle goldberg, thank you to for both of you. we appreciate your time this evening. next up, how israel has expanded the israel operation in rafah.

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it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. wooooo! the u.n. has announced that at least 300,000 people have fled rafah in just one week. this comes as israel expands the military operation there. it issued new warnings for civilians to move or risk being killed. the military says it is fighting new terrorist organizations there but many palestinians considered rafah their last

remaining safe haven. the next video i'm about to show you is graphic and it is hard to watch. this is the aftermath of an air strike in rafah. a 1-year-old amed lost his life. you are seeing a woman trying to clean the dust off the body. the baby is one of more than 14,000 children killed in the war according to the palestinian ministry of health. the situation is growing more dire by the day. a journalist on the ground puts it, when i speak with my family, they describe the situation in rafah as apocalyptic, like judgment day. everyone is desperate to escape but there is no where to turn. how is this okay? on tuesday israel seized and shut down a vital life line for palestinians, the rafah border crossing. aide groups have begun sounding the alarm. a spokesperson for unicef said if the crossing is not reopened,

the entire civilian population in the gaza strip will be at greater risk of famine, disease, and death. advocacy groups attempting to get aid through to palestinians trapped in gaza are also being intimidated. last month, members of the group rabbis for a cease fire tried to get a truck filled with half a ton of flour through but the israeli police quickly intercepted, arrested and interrogated them for nine hours. it is not limited to gaza. this week israeli protesters in east jerusalem set fire twice outside of the unrwa headquarters there while staff worked inside. this u.n. relief organization has been providing relief to gaza for decades. the fire caused extensive damage to the facility's outdoor area and put the staff safety at risk. it was the second violent protest at the agency this week. the commissioner general of unrwa has decided to close down

the offices until security is restored. there is also another troubling dynamic taking place inside of israel. outrage is continuing to grow over prime minister netanyahu's reluctance to agree to a deal that will bring home the israeli hostages. thousands of israelis have taken to the streets over the weekend in tel aviv calling for a deal to bring their loved ones back. they are also demanding early elections and the immediate resignation of netanyahu. these protests have only grown over the last several months as the families become more and more desperate to get their loved ones back home. it also shows the widening riff between netanyahu and the israeli people. this has ben the reality for the past seven months. palestinians in gaza have been running from one part of the besieged strip to the other at the orders of israel. those who have managed to survive are doing so under unimaginable circumstances. meanwhile, families of the israeli hostages have been given

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before the break i discussed the dire situation on the ground in gaza as israeli forces have expanded military operations in rafah. an estimated 1.3 million people are sheltering there including 600,000 children. this comes despite warnings from the united states and international community and human rights organizations who say a full scale assault on rafah would be a blood bath. earlier i spoke with louise waterage, officer for unrwa on the ground in rafah. >> louise, thank you for joining us today. let me start by getting your reaction to what you are seeing on the ground, day to day. talk to us, describe what you

are seeing, what you are hearing from the folks you are trying to help, who are trying to flee gaza. >> yeah, so i'm in western rafah at the moment and it is really unbelievable, what has unfolded in the last seven days, not only just visibly but emotionally for people. a week ago this place was packed, 1.4 million people, make shift shelters everywhere, you couldn't even see the floor. there were so many people sheltering here. now it is very eerie. you can see there were people here for sure. you can see the remnants of where the tents were but a lot of people have left. the latest numbers that unrwa has is 350,000 people have fled rafah and have been forcibly displaced. we expect that number is a lot higher and from what we are seeing, it looks like a substantial amount more of people have left.

there are still people here. there are people in shelters in rafah, especially the further west you go and the further towards the sea front. but really, a huge amount of people have left. the roads have just been full. i mean full since monday. the first evacuation orders came monday and there has been a constant stream of traffic. that is in vehicles, tractors, on the backs of horses, donkeys, people walking, everyone is trying to leave rafah. everyone is trying to prioritize their immediate safety. it has just been horrific to watch this unfold over the last week. >> let me get your reaction to something that developed here in the u.s. since you are there on the ground. i'm sure you saw this on friday. the biden administration released their long awaited report about whether israel's actions in gaza violated international law which they said they found inconclusive

evidence for. interestingly enough, the report said that they couldn't conclude whether israel was blocking aid from getting through. you are there on the ground. what do you make of that assessment? is that true that israel is not in any way prohibiting aid from getting into gaza? >> i can tell you what i see. what i see is empty warehouses. what i see is people banging on the window asking for food. what i know, my colleague abdallah was in the north. i spoke to him every day at the beginning of this year and he was telling me he was walking 20 miles a day to find food for his family. this is not a place where there is enough. not by any means. people have lost everything, everywhere they look, people need things. there has been times where we have been able to have

humanitarian aid come in. there have been times when we had less but it has never been sufficient, not in seven months. this is what we are trying to express to people. there is a big fixation on crossings open or closed, trucks, how many trucks. look at the big picture. seven months people have been starving, people are malnourished. how could yusei there is enough for people here when there are children starving and people malnourished everywhere you look. people i know, you don't recognize them because they are so visibly thin and so unhealthy from sustained deniable of having the basic needs met. >> how are people surviving ultimately in this situation? what is it that is making these people continue to survive around their sheer will if there are no supplies and nothing on the ground for them to survive on? >> it is a really difficult

question to answer. whoever you speak to says something different. i said goodbye to a colleague yesterday who was leaving rafah with his 1-year-old daughter and his wife and the last thing he said is the most important thing is to be alive. he doesn't know where he is going. he knows there is very limited infrastructure, no access to water in khan yunis, in mawasy but he just said i have to try and stay alive and i have to try and keep my daughter alive. that was his sentiment. other colleagues have said to me, they have spoken to people who aren't moving because they want to stay with their families in rafah. they want to die together. they accept that if this is where they are going to die at least they will try to have some dignity and spend these last moments together. it is horrific. it is just horrific for everyone involved. there is no option and i don't want to hear ever somebody tell me that there is a safe place in

gaza because there is not. today we found out some terrible news about our colleague jamal who fled rafah with his family in the last days and he has been killed in an israeli strike with this family, looking for safety. where is there safety? people are leaving for this safety but there is no safety. yesterday in khan yunis families and children were relocating back to unrwa schools that have already been destroyed. the classrooms are torched. i have been in these schools myself. they are a mess. they are walls missing, roofs missing, rubble everywhere and yet there is nowhere else to go that families and children are moving back into these destroyed facilities. there is no water there. there is no running water in khan yunis. this is what we are seeing. this is what we are experiencing. >> it is absolutely horrific and

heartbreaking. louise waterage, thank you for your time tonight. i'm so sorry for the loss of your colleague and everyone else is enduring there. thank you for making time for us. >> thank you. thank you for making time for us. make sure to check ayman back here and follow us on instagram. until we mitt again, i'm ay mo man mohyeldin in new york. have a goodnight. mohyeldin in new york. have a goodnight known for following your dreams. known for keeping with tradition. known for discovering new places. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 16 types of cancer, including certain early-stage and advanced cancers. one of those cancers is early-stage

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