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benjamin crump, as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. monday night. >> good evening, i'm charles coleman jr. in for stephanie ruhle tonight and we have got a lot to talk about point we are now just 176 days away from the election .5 years ago we saw michael cohen publicly turn on his long-term boss, donald trump, and today, after years of buildup, cohen finally took the stand as a key witness in the first criminal trial of a former president. and just like us, he had a lot to say. nbc's laura jarrett has the details from a pivotal day in court. >> reporter: tonight a highly anticipated courtroom showdown. prosecutor's star witness michael cohen, former president trump's self-described fixer turned fierce critic telling the jury mr. trump directed him to pay off an adult film actress days before the 2016 election to protect his campaign.

everything required mr. trump's sign off, cohen told the jury, testifying mr. trump was furious in 2016 when he learned stormy daniels was still trying to sell her story of sex with the former president, telling cohen, i thought you had this under control. cohen explaining he managed to suppress daniels story years before but it resurfaced on the heels of the excess hollywood tape and cohen feared if daniels went public it would be, quote, catastrophic for the campaign, saying mr. trump told him, just take care of it, this is a disaster. women are going to hate me. guys may think this is cool but this is going to be a disaster for the campaign. cohen said mr. trump told him he met daniels at a golf tournament, describing her as a beautiful woman. mr. trump has denied he had sex with daniels and pleaded not guilty to charges of illegally disguising his reimbursement checks to cohen as legal expenses on his internal books and records. the defense team arguing there was no crime, that cohen was

his personal attorney at the time, handling a personal matter to avoid his family embarrassment. former trump aid hope hicks previously testifying mr. trump did not want newspapers with details of a hush money payment to a different woman delivered to their home but cohen suggesting today that mr. trump wasn't concerned about melania's reaction. he wasn't thinking about melania. this was all about the campaign. cohen adding mr. troubled him, i want you to just push it out as long as you can, just get past the election, because if i win it will have no relevance and if i lose i don't even care. cohen testifying that he told mr. trump he would pay daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreements, opting to use money from a home-equity line of credit and mr. trump was appreciative, saying words to the effect of, don't worry, you'll get the money back. the state trying to show that daniel's payoff wasn't isolated but part of a pattern. cohen admitting he secretly

recorded his client while they discussed repaying the national enquirer, which purchased the story of another woman who said she had sex with mr. trump, which he denies. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be listed -- >> what financing? >> reporter: prosecutors have presented no direct evidence mr. trump knew about or told anyone to falsify business records. cohen's credibility here key, telling jurors today mr. trump never used email because too many people have gone down once prosecutors obtained their emails. cohen, now a disbarred attorney who has been convicted for lying under oath, the defense argues he's out for revenge after he didn't get a job in the white house. today cohen testifying he would've liked to have been considered for white house chief of staff his start ego. >> there is no fraud here. there is no crime here. this is four weeks of keeping me from not campaigning.

>> guys may think this is cool but women will hate me. wow, you really cannot make this stuff up. cohen is headed back to the witness stand tomorrow when the trial resumes in the morning and with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel and we have got a star-studded one tonight. my good friend hugo lowell is here. he's a political investigations reporter for the guardian and more importantly, he was in the courtroom and has been this entire time as well as needing a lawyer in the house, and we got a good one. jeremy solana is a criminal defense attorney and former assistant district attorney in the trial division of the manhattan da's office. of course susan glasser is a staff writer for the new yorker. so glad to have you with us, as well. she co-authored the book, the divider, trumping the white house from 2017 to 2021, and my friend anthony coley, former justice department spokesperson under attorney general merrick garland. hugo, take us into court.

today was a really big day to get started. michael cohen's testimony, super anticipated. what was the atmosphere like? >> it was pretty tense to begin with and i think michael cohen himself had a bit of jitters that he combed down pretty quickly and as we got through the day i think his testimony got more and more striking and more and more important, especially towards the end of the day. he provided the link that we had not yet heard, which was to pull trump into the scheme and to say that basically trump new kind of all three elements of what the da's case is, that trump knew that reimbursement scheme was to pay back hush money, that trump new was kind of causing these false entries to be made into the trump organization's books and most importantly, trump signed off and gave his approval with michael cohen and alan weisselberg in his office in january 2017, to put together this sham cover story about how

it was going to be the personal attorney and all of this was going to be paid as expenses. >> jeremy, i have a thing when i talk to lawyers, i take my glasses off. all right. so we talked earlier and you mentioned the notion of diminishing returns as a possibility for cohen being on the stand for too long. number one, explain to our audiences what that actually means and number two, do you think that is something the prosecution is still worried about at the end of day one he'll >> absolutely, because you have to move your case forward and the longer that someone like him is on the stand, the more opportunity there is for him to go rogue, to go off the sort of path and go his own way and say things that could really be damaging and have him set up for more impeachment. that's more opportunity for the defense to cross him and expose the holes, expose that prejudice, expose that angle that he wants revenge. so the longer he's there, his value starts to go away because it starts to expand well beyond the four corners of this is a falsifying business records case, let's not make it into something it isn't.

>> msnbc legal analyst andrew wiseman wrote a piece for the new york times where he said basically he's questioning whether michael cohen even needed to be called by the prosecution. what are your thoughts on that? >> i would disagree to say he should not because that fact that he would not be there would be so much of a speculation and would like to believe that the jury will 100% full of the judge's instruction. we know as people, common sense tells us there is going to be that in the back of the mind. what is the prosecution hiding for us? what are they not giving us? and in the end, what would happen, the defense is going to sum up and say where was michael cohen. he had to go. the idea here with the diminishing returns is keep it tight, keep it simple, keep it on course and get him off the stand. >> anthony, one of the things that as a prosecutor i used to hate was not being able to respond if there was a press case or the defense was in the news, basically parroting whatever narrative they wanted the public to have. as you know, prosecutors, you

can't really talk a whole lot. what are your thoughts about how they're responding in the courtroom to what donald trump is doing in the public? >> i will tell you, prosecutors, i think they understood the assignment and they continue to read the receipts, and i think it's very important to note that they are doing this in a way that the jury can understand it. that's the most important group of people in this case so i'm really impressed that the narrative arc that they have laid out inside the courtroom for the jury. i will say one other thing, what struck me the most about today's testimony, picking up on what hugo said, is how much we have already heard from other witnesses and all we've seen in evidence, and relieve the motivation for this effort here to keep this information out of the hands of the public. the other important thing that i just want to make clear to your viewers, and hugo touched

on this a little bit, is that michael cohen put donald trump in the room at another critical moment today. this is what i think is exhibit 35. this is when alan weisselberg importantly wrote out on a piece of paper how the reimbursement scheme would work throughout 2017 for legal services to be performed and not -- as opposed to this simply being a reimbursement hush money payment. so a lot of things happened today that really move this case forward. the real test will come tomorrow or whenever cross- examination begins. >> season, before we get to the cross-examination that anthony was just referencing, i want to ask you about donald trump's newfound posse. he has had a number of folks show up, essentially having his back and making statements out of court. last week it was senator rick scott from florida.

today we saw a number of folks who were there, including jd vance and others. what do you make of the timing of these people showing up and do you think that it has any impact from a scale whatsoever for donald trump the candidate? >> that's right. that's the amazing and sort of really extorting everything about this case, is that it is not just to the jury and in a courtroom that the case is being pitched it of course, how is that going to break through or not breakthrough to the american people in the middle of this election. and as always, it's the spectacle that really still continues to blow me away of so many republicans playing for that audience and donald trump basically out there auditioning for vice president, auditioning for roles in the future trump administration. i think vivek ramaswamy is planning to come there tomorrow. you had two senators in the courtroom today, jd vance and tommy tuberville. you had various of trump's sons

at various points and what are they doing? they are essentially sucking up to dad, sucking up to the boss, essentially trying to amplify, trying to say he's been gagged so we're going to make his points for him and i think it's all very telling. the question i have is how much are americans really paying attention to this at this point as a political spectacle or not? do they think they already know whether they're for donald trump or against donald trump? i just don't know if it's breaking through. >> a motley maga crew has been at his side and i anticipate that there will be more to come, to susan's point. let's go back in court. michael cohen is a guy who obviously was on the inside of the trump organization and today we heard the name of another insider as far as the trump organization is concerned but someone who wasn't there. alan weisselberg. both cohen and weisselberg at some point have done jail time because of donald trump.

what do you make of the prosecution's handling of that and do you think that weisselberg's actions somehow could come back to bite the prosecution or be a problem for them? >> i'll answer first, i don't think it's going to be a problem because weisselberg is in jail and weisselberg is really a soldier, and kind of sticking with what we were just discussing, who was there outside of court, we have senators showing up, it's all about loyalty and we learned that donald trump puts first and foremost not necessarily ethics are not necessarily good business skill set, it's about loyalty. weisselberg is not going to come on that stand and sell out donald trump, true or not he wasn't going to say anything bad. that's why he's doing time. that's what he was accused and ultimately convicted of lying himself. i don't think that not having them there is going to adversely impact the case. i think if the prosecution does their job and again keeps it tight, they're going to be okay at this loyalty theme is really playing out outside the courtroom and inside the courtroom. >> let's stay with that. you talked about the notion of

loyalty. is it possible that michael cohen was just a little too loyal for a little too long in terms of his utility for the prosecution in this case as far as the amount of time that he spent as donald trump's henchmen and underling and fix her? >> we have again discussed this before. you're not going to get the bad name player, you are not going to get the highs ahead of the criminal enterprise were the drug deal unless you get the people who are really tight around him or doing his dirty deeds for her dirty deed. that's michael cohen here. trump is not accused obviously of those more salacious evil things that's who he is and i think that the big fear again is just keeping him from going rogue why would common sense tell you that someone like michael cohen, who i believe made $525,000 a year, would take out a home equity line of credit to avoid his wife finding out, because he can get in trouble with his wife. that's pretty serious. and pay 130,000 post-tax

dollars, he had to think he's getting paid back. there is an agreement in there. it's common sense. it's math, almost. i think he's okay. >> a wise person once told me common sense ain't so common. hugo, talk to me about the notion of donald trump the candidate and donald trump the defendant. it seems as though there are, to susan's earlier point, a ton of people who are paying a lot of attention to this case. could it be strangely that donald trump been in court and not actually being able to actively campaign, donald trump the defendant is somehow benefiting donald trump the candidate. >> i think it's a difficult question because i think the calculus inside trump world has shifted. at the start of the trial when it was kind of wall-to-wall coverage and everyone was kind of tuned in, there was a sense inside the trump campaign that maybe this will be fine and this is the same as campaigning. that has changed in the last two weeks and kind of according to our reporting there has been a very real sense that people want this trial to wrap up as

quickly as possible because we want and need trump back on the trail. we need trump doing rallies again at the weekend without feeling tired. the one thing that i think the campaign is worried about his trump is very tired at the end of the week because it's three or four days in court, very long days. we started at 8:00, 9:00 a.m. and finished past 5:00 p.m. today and trump comes out of these really depleted and it shows at israeli performance and i think that's a big concern. >> anthony, before we go to a break, i've got to ask you how much attention do you think that merrick garland and jack smith are paying attention to what's going on in new york he'll >> i think they are certainly watching it. i think they've got their plates full but they are certainly watching it and paying attention. i do want to go back to your question about who was present inside and outside the courtroom. the most important absence here, in my opinion, is melania trump. she is the -- the most effective surrogate donald trump could have and i think

the fact that she has never stepped foot inside of this courtroom or made any public statement in the court of public opinion, to me, her silence is deafening and so i think that's a notable absence, in my opinion. >> a point warranting discussion. our panel is going to stick around and when we come back from's gop allies are front and center at his criminal trial. who is showing up to back the former president and why they are willing to say what he can't. and later, trump is asking voters to put them back in the white house what do they really remember about his first term? a new poll has some surprising answers. the details when the 11th hour continues on this very busy monday night. monday night. 's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements.

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welcome back to the 11th hour. i'm charles coleman jr. in tonight for stephanie. donald trump returned to court today and he has a bunch of new friends. senator tommy tuberville and jd vance as well as congresswoman nicole malliotakis were among the high-profile republicans who joined trump, seemingly in a show of support. but as i mentioned last week, there's an underlying motive here. donald trump is actually limited in what he can say about this case and the people it involves due to a gag order set by judge marsh on. but his allies are not and

they're waving attacks on the prosecution's case and their star witness. in other words, they are saying what donald trump wants to but can't. take a look at this. >> i think this trial is absolutely ridiculous. i think it's a sham prosecution. michael cohen is the prosecution's star witness. this guy is a convicted felon who admitted in his testimony that he secretly recorded his former employer, that he only did it once, allegedly, and that this was supposed to help donald trump. does any reasonable, sensible person believe anything that michael cohen says? >> mental anguish is trying to be pushed on republican candidate for the president of the united states this year. that's all this is. >> the people of the state of new york know that this is a sham trial. the people of america know that it is a sham trial. >> is that what we know? hugo lowell, jeremy salon, susan glasser and anthony coleman are back with me. susan, i want to start with you. how much of this sort of repeat

on all of these talking points can we expect to hear in the next week and are you expecting that we are going to see another sort of cadre of folks just show up on behalf of donald trump in his defense? >> yeah, absolutely. first of all remember that donald trump is under a gag order. he clearly objects to that. his whole brand is to call people names, to attack and ripped down others and it's clearly visibly making him infuriated that he's not able to do so in the way that he would like in this courtroom. last week remember the judge had to call him out to his own lawyer for audibly cursing in the courtroom. that's how upset donald trump is, so of course he wants supporters there who can call names, who can go out there and give the attack lines that he himself is not able to deliver right now. more broadly i think this, the. it sums up the trump phenomenon in full because there audience

is national, sure, it's getting on tv but also it's the audience of one. republicans these last eight years, they have been perpetually playing for the favor of their leader and i think that it's really fascinating to me in the sense of the court politics of the republicans are to see who shows up in the courtroom, who's willing to be even more over the top in his or her statements about the trial, in order to curry favor with that audience of one. >> with the audience of one, is that the real target for these people or is it actual voters? and if it's the voters, what kind of message does their presence actually send to them? >> in my view a lot of it is the audience of one. donald trump is the one who's keeping score, as you pointed out tonight, he's all about

loyalty. his perception of loyalty by the way is a one-way street, it's he was loyal to him and not who he himself is loyal to. remember, this is a story, in many ways, in fact, about all the ways in which people who surround the trump had the most intimate jobs close up his fixers, his assistants, his accountants, again and again and again. these are stories about how he broke up with them, how he betrayed them, how he asked them to cross the line for him and if that wasn't the case we wouldn't be in this courtroom in the first place. but in my view, this is a story very largely where these republicans come, they are looking to curry favor with a guy that they think might be the president of the united states once again. >> an audience of one. anthony, our friend of the show and msnbc legal analyst neil kathy all recently wrote that trump and his allies can grandstand about the proceedings and shift the narrative however they want and that's because prosecutors can't say anything at all. they have to make their arguments inside the courtroom, not outside, so when you factor in donald trump's new sort of posse that can help get around

this gag order in terms of the public, what is it that prosecutors can do, if anything at all, to fight the perception about the justice system and what's happening on the inside of those walls? we are not seeing this. this is not on camera. we are all getting secondhand accounts, so what sort of tools do prosecutors have? >> well there are a couple ways to answer this question. number one, the gag order under which donald trump is under precludes donald trump and his lawyers from coordinating outside witnesses to outside surrogates to attack witnesses, people who appear before the court. so i'd be interested to know, charles, if there's any coordination between donald trump and his lawyers and the people who are outside speaking at these cameras. that's the first thing. but to your point, there really should be more transparency into this trial. i think we are in an extraordinary moment of american history and these types of external moments

deserve extraordinary transparency. i say that not just because this is the first criminal trial of an american president, i say this because there is so much misinformation and disinformation coming up from donald trump and his allies. every time you turn around they are calling the judge biased. there is no evidence of that. they are calling the prosecutor a racist and politically motivated. there is no evidence of that and then they are saying the jury pool is tainted. again, no evidence at all. transparency really is the best sunlight and if the courts will not do this themselves, it's not for lawmakers to step up encases going forward and provide this type of transparency and sunlight. >> jeremy, trial attorney to trial attorney, if you are donald trump's defense team and this is day one of michael cohen's has the money, how close or far away from where you want to be are you and what do you need to do to get close to where you would like with a

witness like cohen? >> the longer that he stays on the stand, the longer, as we said before, the more opportunities there are for him to mess up and he's already come out and said certain things about how his ego was hurt. he's admitted he's a liar so you are already on your way there because ultimately when they cross-examined him, they are going to just tear him down to make him look -- it's almost like he's involved in a black male. stormy daniels was really just a blackmailer. stormy daniels is an kickstarter and now you are throwing michael cohen who's looking out for his own gains, angry, jealous and bitter. you have a perfect storm of no proof beyond a reasonable doubt. you have that perfect storm of not guilty. but in terms i just want to touch on one thing before we move off of that. when i hear donald trump outside the courtroom i remind myself that yes, the prosecutors likely are sort of frothing to want to respond but they're going to do their job inside the courtroom and to then it's almost like a charlie brown cartoon. it's wah wah wah wah wah coming

out of his mouth and he cannot be distracted. they had to stay there course and just stick with the case, and i use that term again, the four corners of indictment. one of the things that probably should've happened for transparency to sort of get rid of this issue would've been more of a sneaky indictment like we seem with jack smith, the federal indictment. that would've given more color as opposed to waiting until now. can't change that so you have to deal with it in the courtroom. >> hugo lowell, jeremy salon, susan glasser and anthony coley, charlie, you started your day with me about 12 hours ago and you are here still so you are the mvp on an all-star panel. i want to thank everybody for being here, for getting us started on this panel tonight. now when we come back, what do you think voters remember most about donald trump's first term in office? why the question and the answer could be critical for this election. that's coming up when the 11th hour continues.

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the 2024 rematch between donald trump and joe biden is well underway. and in a twist we don't often see during elections, both of the candidates actually have a presidential record to run on but what do voters actually remember about donald trump's first term? the new york times poll just recently found that the top two answers were his behavior and the economy.

imagine that. on january 16 the covid pandemic fell to the bottom of the list. let's unpack this with chuck brochu, new york times contributor, cohost of the latino podcast and president of solidarity strategies as well as in studio with me, my friend rick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project and host of the enemies list podcast. rick, were you surprised to learn about this new york times piece with the poll and what people remember about donald trump? >> i think something we have to bear in mind is the siena poll is rather consistently sort of leaning to trump's direction. but i will say this -- people's memories are short. they have to be reminded. they do remember trump's behavior and i promise you that's not a good memory of his behavior. they remember the bizarre tweets and the crazy behaviors and the name-calling and the insults and the attacks on women. they remember those things. the fact that they've sort of forgotten covid, that strikes me as a weird moment in our

national psyche. maybe it was so horrible we have to try to erase it but i do think you have to judge the fact that we are going to have two comparing stories. we have joe biden who has turned around the covid pandemic. we have joe biden who has turned around the tragedy of the trump economic crash. listings or stores we have to tell over and over again between now and election day. >> i'm wondering if this is the same group of folks who remember donald trump at 215 pounds, not sure about that but chuck, listen, the economy, while donald trump is having this romanticized revisionist history in the minds of certain voters in this poll, the economy is something that is actually dogging the current president and continues to be an achilles what is it, if anything, that joe biden could actually do as the president who is in office to change that narrative right now? >> the main thing he can do is focus on two areas that people

see every day, and that is gas and groceries. gas has went down, it's went up a little bit but overall it's came down a great deal and even the cost of groceries have come down under joe biden. it was remarkably high. remember when eggs got out of control and everybody was looking around? all these political thinkers, i run campaigns like rick does every single day in the economy matters and people refer to the economy because they want to have jobs, they want to have money coming in, they want to be able to feed their family. but every single day when they're filling up their pickup truck like me or mom is going to buy some eggs, that's what reminds a voter every single day of just how the economy is doing, and it joe biden can keep those two things under control, he has a shot on the economy right to the end. >> people to remember what it feels like when they are expecting money. that makes a huge difference. let's switch gears. i want to talk about the vt race or the sort of vying for vp. there are two, maybe three conventional strategies that

you can employ if you're donald trump's campaign. the actual turnout strategy of i need a vp who is going to deliver me more votes is probably not successful. donald trump has lost the popular vote in the last two elections so a turnout candidate is not necessarily going to do it. at the same time, many pollsters have said that donald trump wins not by addition by subtraction, basically someone who cannot sincerely energize the left in a way that democratic voters ultimately stay home, and then there is a third school of thought that says just whoever can kiss up to donald trump the most. what is the calculus, if you will, of how that campaign is going to go about choosing a potential vp? >> there's a sort of singularity around the third issue and you can see this in the behavior of the veepstakes candidates last week. you can see it with jd vance coming to kiss the ring and rick scott coming to kiss the ring in the court proceedings here in manhattan. and at the end of the day trump

is looking for someone who is not mike pence. he doesn't want someone who is going to defy him, ever, so they're all going out and trying to have these displays of absolute obedience to donald trump. i think the electoral calculus is off the board at this point. if he picks jd vance, ohio is almost certainly going to vote for trump anyway as of right now. if he picks ely stefanik, new york is not going to vote for trump no matter who he put on the ballot from new york state. i think he will end up in the end going for the comfort of someone he thinks is a world- class trump ascus are more than somebody who can do something in the electoral calculus for him. >> chuck, i'm a little biased because i like your name. i've got to ask you a question in terms of joe biden, the president being on the campaign trail, there is a guy -- it's been said that he's falling asleep at his own criminal trial in new york and that guy had nicknamed the current president sleepy joe.

it appears as though president joe biden seems to be leaning into that. he's leaning into the let's go brandon with the dark brandon sing. is this something that the president is going to be able to sort of carry out effectively on the campaign trail or is he making a mistake by sort of just making the jokes about sleepy joe, dark brandon and what he's been doing to sort of play off of what donald trump has said about him in the past? >> you just mentioned that lots of others remember how donald trump acts and this is one of the ways you play off of that, and the opposite of that, in focus groups that i'm in all over the country, when you ask people one thing that they know about joe biden, they say that he's old thomas anytime that he is playing off of that, showing energy and being able to fight back against that and make fun of that, it's a good thing for swing voters because you don't want to be the guy when you walk into the voting booth that says i'm voting for one of the old guys but if they're voting for one of the old guys that make them laugh, they don't act like the crazy old guy, it's

always good for democrats. >> i want to follow up right now in this vp sweepstakes. we also have a number of folks, we have seen most recently the north dakota governor has been on the campaign trail with donald trump. scale of 1 to 5, what sort of a chance does he have of being selected as the running mate for the former president? >> i think any of them have a decent chance and i think you and rick were right with what you are talking about. the vp really matters nothing here. it's just who can suck up most to donald trump. i've been running campaigns for a long time and we haven't voted for somebody because of who they pick for vice president in a long time but i would give you a little nuance. it's going to be so close and the latino vote is so important here. do not be surprised if donald trump tries to pick a latino surname to be on the ballot with him because the latino vote is going to be crucial in arizona and in nevada and in pennsylvania and the latino surname does matter with an

electoral group of folks who haven't been in this country that long, when they see that, means something to them .4 million new latinos will be eligible to vote in this election that couldn't vote four years ago. >> hot takes on a hot topic. chuck and rick, thank you both for being here. when we come back, what we know about the tragically shooting of air force airman roger fortson. we'll talk to the attorney for the family when the 11th hour continues after a short break. . i found that i just wasn't sharp and that doesn't work when you're writing a mystery and i knew i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear, much sharper. i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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police body can footage is now shedding light on what unfolded when police in florida responded to a report of a disturbance and ended up shooting an air force airman to death. nbc's sam brock has more, and a warning, the video we are about to show you is disturbing. >> reporter: in the moments before senior airman roger fortson is fatally shot by police, an okaloosa sheriff's deputy knox on his apartment door. >> sheriff's office, opened the door. >> reporter: identifying himself twice. fortson opens the door with a gun to his side but not visibly raised and a split-second later -- six shots are fired, killing the 23-year-old. officials say the deputy reacted in self-defense after he encountered a 23-year-old man armed with a gun and that the deputy had identified himself as law enforcement. >> he shot him. my baby was shot. >> he was shot six times.

>> reporter: officers say they were responding to a disturbance call reported in apartment 1401, which is fortson's unit. >> are they fighting or something? >> reporter: a woman seen on camera when a deputy first arrived said she also heard disturbances weeks earlier but couldn't confirm from where. fortson's mother, whom we spoke to before body camera was released, said deputies went to the wrong apartment. >> roger was the only person in his apartment. they said it was a disturbance. he wasn't fighting himself. >> reporter: she said facetiming with his girlfriend when law enforcement arrived. >> how this tragedy happened to roger fortson, who was an american patriot. >> he was a role model. >> in a statement late tuesday, okaloosa county sheriff eric aiden said he immediately placed the deputy on administrative leave and asked the florida department of law

enforcement to conduct an investigation, as is required by policy. joining us now to discuss his civil rights attorney benjamin crump. he's representing the fortson family. good evening good brother, sir. i hate when we have to have these conversations. you've been very close to a number of these cases and often times what ends up happening is the victim and their past becomes the narrative. you have used the word patriot. his mom uses the word role model to describe this young man. can you talk about the fact that we could not have had a more perfect victim to have this happen to in a case like this? >> attorney charles coleman, you know as a civil rights lawyer, they often try to assassinate the character of our children after they assassinate their person. and they were trying to do that

here a little bit when they first released the sheriff's press release that said the officer had to shoot him in self-defense, suggesting roger fortson, this american patriot, this decorated airman in the united states air force, had did something wrong, that he committed a crime when he did absolutely nothing wrong, when they were putting that narrative out there we believe and his mother believes to try to assassinate his character, to try to justify killing. but when you look at this video, charles, he opens the door. he is a law abiding citizen, no criminal history whatsoever and he is a registered gun owner. we're in the state of florida, for god sakes, where they encourage everybody to have guns, and so when he opens his

apartment door he has every legal right to have his firearm, but yet he doesn't put a verbal command saying drop the weapon or anything. he executes this good kid, this young man, and when he's on the ground, charles, that's when he says drop the gun after he's already shot him and even as he's dying, roger fortson is still complying with the officer. >> let's stay on that point very quickly because as you noted, florida is a state that has gun laws that allow for a number of people to have firearms legally, as he did in this case. what's supposed to be different about how law enforcement approaches an individual in a jurisdiction where gun rights allow people to get and have access to firearms in the way that they do in florida? >> that is the question, mr. coleman, because when you think about it you know that most citizens in florida are anxious

of their second amendment rights. so how police officers are being trained to deal with this matter and as everybody is asking where is the nra on this issue, you couldn't have a more model citizen for the second amendment's. he's a military member. he is trained on how to use guns. he's responsible. he respects authority. he respects law enforcement. he's highly intelligent. this is the type of person you want to be a gun owner but yet they have been silent and that's why people are so disturbed because they're saying what can we do to have you stop from seeing our young people as dangerous when you're coming into their apartments, where there is botham jean, you'll remember in dallas, texas, the policewoman came

into his house and shot him, said she was at the wrong apartment and then said self- defense. atatiana jefferson, breonna taylor, the list goes on and on, charles coleman. >> benjamin crump, we thank you for your work. continue to fight the good fight. when we come back, in case you did not see this weekend's show in the sky, we've got a recap of what you may have missed. stay tuned for more of the 11th hour after a short break. brea ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ you know what's brilliant? boring. think about it. boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space? boring does.

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>> one last thing before we go tonight. the northern lights, a spectacular light show, was seen around the world this weekend and even as cloudy skies may have kept us from enjoying it in new york, it was still nothing shy of phenomenal. nbc's liz kreutz has more on the rare solar storm that helped to make it all happen. >> reporter: when you think of the northern lights you probably don't think of baker,

florida, wendover, utah, or san rafael, california. >> look at that. >> reporter: but for a brief moment this weekend, a trek towards the north pole wasn't necessary in order to see this stunning natural wonder. >> i can't believe what i'm seeing. >> reporter: sightings of the northern lights, called the aurora borealis, reported across all 50 states. >> it's amazing. >> reporter: the striking pink and green hues the result of a severe solar storm that slammed earth, leading to colorful bursts of electromagnetic radiation from the sun. the last time there was a storm this size was 2003, before i phones and social media. >> the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. >> it's beautiful. >> reporter: around the world, sky gazers also reporting rare sightings. at the university of manchester in the uk. in brockton, germany, and yes, at the great wall of china. like the recent